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2012-05-12 09:48:36 AM  

macaddict0: CowardlyLion: Perhaps there are people who aren't familiar with common OTC drugs, though. I'll help them out and suggest some more gizmodo/gawker opening lines:

You've never heard of pseudoephedrine.
You've never heard of ibuprofen.
You've never heard of acetaminophen.
You've never heard of diphenhydramine.
You've never heard of dextromethorphan.
You've never heard of acetylsalicylic acid.

Hell, this thing could become a whole farking hipster drug video series.

People not knowing what those drugs are would explain the new line of "Help I have _____" medication packaging coming out.

Just a little pill pack with "Help! I have a headache.", or "Help! I can't sleep.", etc. on it.


I've seen those.

I'm not sure how I feel about them. It's nice that they're convenient, but people should really figure out what something is before they ingest it.

But then, I'm paranoid. The voices made me that way.
 
2012-05-12 09:49:08 AM  

Shostie: It's got nothing on krokodil.

NSFLunch


Yeah...decided to do a google search after I read that in the comments. That's some seriously sick shiat.
 
2012-05-12 09:51:06 AM  

badhatharry: sseye: Then what the fark wa all that waterboarding for?

With this you get a lot of crazy bullshiat and you have to figure out what is actually true. With waterboarding you get the answers you want even if they aren't true.


GOLD!
 
2012-05-12 10:05:34 AM  

Mock26: I found no need to watch a 30+ minute documentary put out by people who not only automatically assume that I am too stupid or ignorant or uneducated to have heard of something but who also tell me outright that I have not heard of it. If they had instead started out with, "Have you heard of scopolamine? Most people have not" then I would have been intrigued and watched the video.


Since you couldn't figure out the guys who made the film aren't the guys who wrote the article I can see how either of them would assume you were ignorant.
 
2012-05-12 10:10:52 AM  

fenianfark: he was having hallucinations about things being present that weren't.


department of redundancy department?
 
2012-05-12 10:19:56 AM  

SharkTrager: Mock26: I found no need to watch a 30+ minute documentary put out by people who not only automatically assume that I am too stupid or ignorant or uneducated to have heard of something but who also tell me outright that I have not heard of it. If they had instead started out with, "Have you heard of scopolamine? Most people have not" then I would have been intrigued and watched the video.

Since you couldn't figure out the guys who made the film aren't the guys who wrote the article I can see how either of them would assume you were ignorant.


Meh, do not care in the least bit about the video or the people who made it or who was shilling it.
 
2012-05-12 10:26:26 AM  
So what your telling me is that there is a new date rape Compliancy Sex drug on the market.
 
2012-05-12 10:26:58 AM  

SweetSilverBlues: macaddict0: CowardlyLion: Perhaps there are people who aren't familiar with common OTC drugs, though. I'll help them out and suggest some more gizmodo/gawker opening lines:

You've never heard of pseudoephedrine.
You've never heard of ibuprofen.
You've never heard of acetaminophen.
You've never heard of diphenhydramine.
You've never heard of dextromethorphan.
You've never heard of acetylsalicylic acid.

Hell, this thing could become a whole farking hipster drug video series.

People not knowing what those drugs are would explain the new line of "Help I have _____" medication packaging coming out.

Just a little pill pack with "Help! I have a headache.", or "Help! I can't sleep.", etc. on it.

I've seen those.

I'm not sure how I feel about them. It's nice that they're convenient, but people should really figure out what something is before they ingest it.

But then, I'm paranoid. The voices made me that way.


Those remind me of Idiocracy.
 
2012-05-12 10:27:32 AM  
So a few people on this thread claim they used it for sea sickness and eye drops for the doctor, and then at the same time others claim its the most powerful nasty trip inducing drug around. Seems odd to me.

Am I correct in assuming that the two practical uses utilize such a weak form of scopolamine, or in small minute dosages mixed with other chemicals? Or the date rape/vombie version is produced by some form of chemical process (like the way you produce meth or cocaine)?

Any expert want to chime in?
 
2012-05-12 10:31:40 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Or the date rape/vombie version is produced by some form of chemical process (like the way you produce meth or cocaine)?

Any expert want to chime in?



I don't know about the date rape version, but the "OMG Demons and hellfire!" hallucination version that can kill you is a compound action of this stuff, atropine and various other things that are found in datura, brugmansia and a few other plants. The natural/unaltered source of this drug is pretty damn potent and dangerous, so there's no need to produce a meth/cocaine type derivative from them.
 
2012-05-12 10:42:20 AM  

MadameX: Scopolamine has quite an unpleasant side-effect you never hear about: you get so thirsty and dry-mouthed it hurts, and you'd be willing to drink stale rhinocerous pee just to alleviate it. I wouldn't say I lost all free-will, but I would've told anyone anything just to get my hands on something to drink.

I don't know if they still use it in surgery (one of several anesthesia drugs) but they sure used to.


We use it, but not a an anesthetic. We usually stick a patch on patients before the surgery if they have a history of post-operative nausea that was resistant to our two our three prophylactic anti nausea meds in the past.
 
2012-05-12 10:42:48 AM  
All you people who are butthurt because the video presumes you've never heard of this drug need to get over yourselves. Then again, your childish, "nobody tells me what I know" rants are amusing to me.
 
2012-05-12 10:44:54 AM  

dougfm: All you people who are butthurt because the video presumes you've never heard of this drug need to get over yourselves. Then again, your childish, "nobody tells me what I know" rants are amusing to me.



I knew you were gonna' say that
 
2012-05-12 11:00:09 AM  

dougfm: All you people who are butthurt because the video presumes you've never heard of this drug need to get over yourselves. Then again, your childish, "nobody tells me what I know" rants are amusing to me.


So long as you get to be both smug and amused, it's all good! :)
 
2012-05-12 11:11:31 AM  
In lay terms, this missage is complete and total bullchit.

Feeble fearmongering and sensationalism.

/move along
 
2012-05-12 11:13:02 AM  
fark your filters

missive
 
2012-05-12 11:21:15 AM  
It exists in Ontario, Canada so it seems to be a little sensational... I mean the uses I'm sure are true and that's pretty crazy. The OPP have even put out releases warning not to use the plant for recreational use.

Almost 10 years ago it started being a bit troublesome in my city, quite a few teens grabbed the pods from plants in the neighbourhood and ingested the seeds. Quite a few hospital visits, I don't believe any deaths.
 
2012-05-12 11:21:45 AM  

snocone: fark your filters

missive


Actually, missage kinda works...if you take it connotationally.
 
2012-05-12 11:37:13 AM  

SirEattonHogg: So a few people on this thread claim they used it for sea sickness and eye drops for the doctor, and then at the same time others claim its the most powerful nasty trip inducing drug around. Seems odd to me.

Am I correct in assuming that the two practical uses utilize such a weak form of scopolamine, or in small minute dosages mixed with other chemicals? Or the date rape/vombie version is produced by some form of chemical process (like the way you produce meth or cocaine)?

Any expert want to chime in?


Are you kidding? How do you not get the concept? Some water quenches thirst, too much drowns you. Some oxygen lets you breathe, too much makes you euphoric. Taking one painkiller eases pain, taking 3 makes you feel farking awesome.
 
2012-05-12 11:43:47 AM  
Scopalomine? You call that a scary drug?

STRYCHNINE!

Now there is a scary drug.
 
2012-05-12 11:45:00 AM  

Nrokreffefp: SirEattonHogg: So a few people on this thread claim they used it for sea sickness and eye drops for the doctor, and then at the same time others claim its the most powerful nasty trip inducing drug around. Seems odd to me.

Am I correct in assuming that the two practical uses utilize such a weak form of scopolamine, or in small minute dosages mixed with other chemicals? Or the date rape/vombie version is produced by some form of chemical process (like the way you produce meth or cocaine)?

Any expert want to chime in?

Are you kidding? How do you not get the concept? Some water quenches thirst, too much drowns you. Some oxygen lets you breathe, too much makes you euphoric. Taking one painkiller eases pain, taking 3 makes you feel farking awesome.


If you've ever been severely affected by motion sickness, then you've heard of scopolamine. In small doses, it's lovely for dealing with motion sickness. In large doses, the side effects are devastating. We get it. Welcome to, well, any friggin' drug you can think of, really. "Gee, if I drink 2 shots of vodka, I'm slightly more relaxed. If I drink 2 fifths of vodka, I'm going to black out & possibly die!"

The article's dreck. "OMG! In high doses, a commonly used anticholinergic can be exploited for underhanded purposes!" Yes... and?
 
2012-05-12 11:49:26 AM  

FormlessOne: Nrokreffefp: SirEattonHogg: So a few people on this thread claim they used it for sea sickness and eye drops for the doctor, and then at the same time others claim its the most powerful nasty trip inducing drug around. Seems odd to me.

Am I correct in assuming that the two practical uses utilize such a weak form of scopolamine, or in small minute dosages mixed with other chemicals? Or the date rape/vombie version is produced by some form of chemical process (like the way you produce meth or cocaine)?

Any expert want to chime in?

Are you kidding? How do you not get the concept? Some water quenches thirst, too much drowns you. Some oxygen lets you breathe, too much makes you euphoric. Taking one painkiller eases pain, taking 3 makes you feel farking awesome.

If you've ever been severely affected by motion sickness, then you've heard of scopolamine. In small doses, it's lovely for dealing with motion sickness. In large doses, the side effects are devastating. We get it. Welcome to, well, any friggin' drug you can think of, really. "Gee, if I drink 2 shots of vodka, I'm slightly more relaxed. If I drink 2 fifths of vodka, I'm going to black out & possibly die!"

The article's dreck. "OMG! In high doses, a commonly used anticholinergic can be exploited for underhanded purposes!" Yes... and?


I was confused that someone literate enough to ask the question didn't understand the concept.
 
2012-05-12 12:18:50 PM  
First of all let's set the record straight. Scopolamine is a very strong anti-cholinergic drug. I suspect the street stuff is not exactly the same as the medical stuff. You would not just toss it on someone. First of all, you'd have to have a very careful delivery system so you did not get on yourself. For one thing is causes intense drying of mucus membranes and intense pupilary dilation if you get it in your eyes as it is very simimlar to what the eye doc uses to dilate your eyes with for your routine exam. Second, it is available for general medical use in compounding pharmacies everywhere. The most well known commerical product is the scop patch uesd for both sea sickness and taming the death rattle. However, compounding pharmacies put it in a gel you can rub on your skin to help dry mucus membranes.

Could it make you go crazy? Yes. Acetycholine is a commonly used neurotransmitter in the brain. It is thought to be deficient in people with many kinds of dementia. It is used by the cardiovascular and gastrointestinal systems of our bodies. Given in large amounts it most definitely could cause you to go crazy.

Many of the syndromes of psychosis we talk about in medicine are thought to be due to anticholinergic excess so I can imagine if you gave it in its pure form to someone, it could be devestating. I supposed it might be able to be used as a rape drug; I always thought rapists wanted their victims to be able to feel their wrath, not be insane or dead..

//used to think I had rape fantasies
//got married
//hopefully if I was raping, my victim would be fighting back :)
 
2012-05-12 12:32:55 PM  
I thought it was interesting. But come on plucky Vice reporter, do a couple rails of the stuff so we can see it in action.

Y'all are getting soft!
 
2012-05-12 12:33:06 PM  
First I'm going to use you as a human shield. Then I'm going to kill this guard over here with the Patterson trocar on the table. And then I was thinking about breaking your neck.
 
2012-05-12 12:33:07 PM  

shanrick: [i.imgur.com image 259x194]
it's an ingredient in a several very common plants.
every year there's one or two stories in the
news about some kids trying to get high
and winding up in the emergency room.


upload.wikimedia.org

awesome
 
2012-05-12 12:37:12 PM  
If I were around someone that was under the effect of this drug I would command them to play Simon Says with me but to be really good at it.
 
2012-05-12 12:55:34 PM  
This thread needs more Hipster Ariel ranting about MKULTRA.
 
2012-05-12 12:56:29 PM  
I thought this was going to be the same article about Datura from a few weeks ago. That's some shiat you wouldn't want to try.
 
2012-05-12 12:58:02 PM  

GriffXX: This thread needs more Hipster Ariel ranting about MKULTRA.


She goes by Helvetica now.
 
2012-05-12 01:08:21 PM  
I know where some jimsonweed is growing now, but I'm no longer young and foolish.

/old and foolish
 
2012-05-12 01:46:50 PM  

brap: If I were around someone that was under the effect of this drug I would command them to play Simon Says with me but to be really good at it.


That's the secret of bringing someone down - may the ill informed & ignorant learn ....

There is only one center of the Universe and it is YOU!
 
2012-05-12 02:14:39 PM  
Was going to come on and note "Uh, scopolamine is probably the most common prescription med for motion sickness in transdermal patch form, was formerly used as a dissociative in surgery, and is the primary psychoactive in datura aka Jimsonweed", but came and was satisfied in droves :D

(And seriously, jimsonweed is not one of those "natural psychoactives" to take lightly, and preferably not at all. It's basically poor man's PCP, and there's this cute little mnemonic that emergency room personnel use to refer to folks suffering jimsonweed intoxication: "Blind as a bat, mad as a hatter, red as a beet, hot as hell, dry as a bone, the bowel and bladder lose their tone, and the heart runs alone.")

/...that said, this thread HAS been educational because I've learned yopo is an actual entheogen and not something made up for Metalocalypse
//specifically, it's an ayahuasca-like stuff
 
2012-05-12 02:22:21 PM  
What's there to be afraid of? What would make someone afraid of being controlled by someone else?

U know the Universe is a reflection of U.
 
2012-05-12 03:11:22 PM  

Shostie: It's got nothing on krokodil.

NSFLunch


I thought it was a picture of a girl holding a Subway sandwich, and wondered what the hell you were talking about. Whoops.
 
2012-05-12 03:14:31 PM  

Sgygus: My transdermal patches did nothing for me. Now I feel cheated.

Bathia_Mapes: FTA...You've never heard of scopolamine.

Article was obviously not written with Farkers in mind.


In their defense, it was written with Gizmodo users in mind.
 
2012-05-12 03:47:46 PM  

puffy999: I thought the article was going to be about religion.


CTRL-F, r-e-l-i-....

I need to start showing up earlier.
 
2012-05-12 03:57:32 PM  

shift_DAWG:
My sister-in-law is a real straight-laced God-fearing housewife who never cusses and even calls Deviled Eggs "Angeled Eggs." She makes Maude Flanders look like Peg Ted Bundy.


That's over the top, like that freak who wanted everyone to say "heaven-o" instead of "hello".
 
2012-05-12 05:45:14 PM  

Shostie: It's got nothing on krokodil.

NSFLunch


I hadn't heard of Krokodil so I Googled it. Nastiest drug I've ever heard of.
 
2012-05-12 06:17:43 PM  
That's a sweet calculator watch that dude is wearing.
 
2012-05-12 06:45:15 PM  
That drug has nothing on the horrors that is DHMO
 
2012-05-12 09:12:25 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: FTA...You've never heard of scopolamine.

Stopped reading right there. I'm not fond of articles that make assumptions from the get go. And I have heard of this drug. It used to be combined with morphine and adminstered to pregnant women during labor & delivery. It was referred to as twilight sleep, but it was discontinued because of some bad side effects. The mother would have no memory of giving birth and the drug combo would cause depressed breathing in the newborn baby


This.

I've totally heard of scopolamine. It used to be a truth serum the CIA and KGB used and boy, did it work, especially with a bit of pentothal as a starter. Too bad it mostly killed all the subjects; but it had ways of making you talk and talk and talk...
 
2012-05-12 10:27:27 PM  

Shostie: It's got nothing on krokodil.

NSFLunch


I don't know. A bystander can at least tell that something is wrong when your flesh starts to rot off.
 
2012-05-12 11:54:19 PM  
Jimsonweed?

/Crap. I think I dropped my cigarette. Help me look?
 
2012-05-13 12:05:51 AM  

CavalierEternal: But if you choose not to decide, have you not still made a choice?


On if you're on the train to Bangkok, aboard the Thailand Express.
 
2012-05-13 12:08:38 AM  
My login is "gryf" now you have some fun wit dat, Subby. Now you go play wit dem sparkly lights n not burn da house down, Subby. Seriously; why request our logins???????????????????????????????


Hacker biatch - you'll soon discover I have no good reputation to manipulate. Dork.

All in all, eh! for a Doc.
 
2012-05-13 12:19:31 AM  
Lot of hate for subby in this thread.
 
2012-05-13 03:56:28 AM  

fenianfark: When I was a teenager, I had the pleasure of babysitting my brother after he ingested datura seeds from Jimsonweed.

I had taken psychedelics of various stripes quite a few times, but he was acting way more messed up than anything I had seen. He didn't know what everyday objects were and even when he was coming down he was having hallucinations about things being present that weren't.

That is something I would not recommend to anyone. Absolutely terrible shiat.


B-b-but it's legal and pot isn't! That means it must be perfectly safe, unlike the evil killer weed marihuana, which causes white men to seek relations with black women and listen to Satanic jazz music.

(Seriously... never tried the stuff, but a few minutes on erowid is enough to convince even many hard-core trippers to leave it alone. Even Mexican Indian shamans only reserve it for their most important divinations. Not only is it a very unpleasant trip by most accounts, the threshold between an active and lethal dose is relatively slim.)
 
2012-05-13 04:53:42 AM  
I think it might be interesting if someone could come up with a blend of "goofer dust" and scopolamine. Might make the zombies more effective.

/yes, I am a bad, bad person.
 
2012-05-13 08:10:30 AM  

SirEattonHogg: So a few people on this thread claim they used it for sea sickness and eye drops for the doctor, and then at the same time others claim its the most powerful nasty trip inducing drug around. Seems odd to me.

Am I correct in assuming that the two practical uses utilize such a weak form of scopolamine, or in small minute dosages mixed with other chemicals? Or the date rape/vombie version is produced by some form of chemical process (like the way you produce meth or cocaine)?

Any expert want to chime in?


The dose makes the poison. Oh, and if you mix it with versed and a bit of dex, you can make people talk about stuff they wouldn't normally, and then not remember it later.
 
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