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(Some Wright-Thinker)   Cool: buying a Frank Lloyd Wright-designed house for one dollar. Difficulty: in exchange for having to label, disassemble and move it stick by stick to a new site to avoid demolition. Holy crap: in two weeks   (architizer.com) divider line 94
    More: Weird, Frank Lloyd Wright, Holy Crap, historic value, Joseph Catrambone, architecture  
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2012-05-11 09:02:01 PM
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"I've always had a soft spot for airplanes, so I'll go with Frank Lloyd Wright"
 
2012-05-11 09:53:54 PM
That was the most annoyingly-written crap article I've read in a LONG time.

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WTF is this SHIaT?
 
2012-05-11 11:26:55 PM
So, long Frank Lloyd Wright...
 
2012-05-11 11:42:31 PM
Lincoln logs.
 
2012-05-11 11:48:54 PM
Greene & Greene were 10 times the architects of that overrated hack
 
2012-05-11 11:49:32 PM
More than $1 for a can of Coke?
 
2012-05-11 11:50:47 PM

Indubitably: Lincoln logs.


Wrong Wright.
 
2012-05-11 11:51:48 PM
Also, the guy should be able to easily raise enough money from different architectural organizations to help pay for the move.
 
2012-05-11 11:56:15 PM
Ummm, why were they going to demolish these homes? Did I miss that part?
 
2012-05-11 11:58:02 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Greene & Greene were 10 times the architects of that overrated hack


Uh, no. Greene & Greene were cute regional stylists who build a handful of houses in a short period of time for the exceedingly wealthy. Their houses are well-constructed, but very much of their era (the Arts & Crafts). FLW, for all his failings, managed to build buildings for six decades, many of which still look modern (or even futuristic) today. He had at least three careers when most architects are lucky if they have one.

ecmoRandomNumbers: WTF is this SHIaT?


I believe it is written in imitation of the genre of movie known as the "suspense thriller".
 
2012-05-11 11:58:09 PM
A house "designed by Wright student Rudolph Schindler" is a "Frank Lloyd Wright-designed" house?

/ No, it's not
// Work in Wilmette Illinois, getting a kick out of these replies
 
2012-05-11 11:59:02 PM
Designed by Frank Lloyd Wright's student
 
2012-05-11 11:59:44 PM
dammit
 
2012-05-12 12:00:44 AM
If Ed Leedskalnin could do it, so can they.
 
2012-05-12 12:02:20 AM
Don't tell me....leaky roof?
 
2012-05-12 12:02:23 AM
designed by Rudolph Schindler, future modernist architect of that beach house

WTF does that statement mean? What is the significance of that lovell house?
 
2012-05-12 12:03:10 AM
Why, because he designed something really crappy once?
 
2012-05-12 12:04:36 AM
Sounds like an adventure for Baron Munschausen
 
2012-05-12 12:06:40 AM

jaytkay: A house "designed by Wright student Rudolph Schindler" is a "Frank Lloyd Wright-designed" house?

/ No, it's not
// Work in Wilmette Illinois, getting a kick out of these replies


Nuclear Monk: Designed by Frank Lloyd Wright's student


FTFA: "Wright was revealed to have participated in both designs, thus cementing the claims for preservation."

Reading comprehension is your friend.
 
2012-05-12 12:09:02 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Greene & Greene were 10 times the architects of that overrated hack


Wow, architect fanboys. Who knew.
 
2012-05-12 12:10:31 AM

austin_millbarge: Wow, architect fanboys. Who knew.


He's a troll. I'm kinda amazed that he knows who Greene & Greene are, though.

/thinking he randomly Googled "famous architects".
 
2012-05-12 12:10:34 AM
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RIP, Frank Lloyd Wright.
 
2012-05-12 12:10:56 AM
"Designed by Frank Lloyd Wright's student" All of it was after that date that one time in that one place.
 
2012-05-12 12:13:28 AM
FLW had some good ideas, but I have no idea how anyone lived in any of his houses. They were designed for midgets who like sitting on hard angular surfaces.
 
2012-05-12 12:18:35 AM
Well, at least they decided to save a bit of architectural history. Unlike these lovely people who live a few miles from me:

Bulldozing Basterds
 
2012-05-12 12:19:28 AM

whatshisname: FLW had some good ideas, but I have no idea how anyone lived in any of his houses. They were designed for midgets who like sitting on hard angular surfaces.


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His son was even worse
 
2012-05-12 12:21:04 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Smeggy Smurf: Greene & Greene were 10 times the architects of that overrated hack

Uh, no. Greene & Greene were cute regional stylists who build a handful of houses in a short period of time for the exceedingly wealthy. Their houses are well-constructed, but very much of their era (the Arts & Crafts). FLW, for all his failings, managed to build buildings...

Forgive me for being pedantic, or don't, as I really don't give a fark, but from what I've heard most architects don't build shiat, in the same sense that most dentists I know don't perform heart transplants.

 
2012-05-12 12:21:06 AM

Fano: whatshisname: FLW had some good ideas, but I have no idea how anyone lived in any of his houses. They were designed for midgets who like sitting on hard angular surfaces.

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His son was even worse


How many of us played with Lincoln Logs and Playmobil as children?
 
2012-05-12 12:21:46 AM
Also, I'm lazy in closing html formatting tags.
 
2012-05-12 12:22:24 AM

Linkster: "Designed by Frank Lloyd Wright's student"


While working in Wright's studio, which means Wright signed off on it and approved of it and given it looks like a Wright house it was a case of a young apprentice who still was expected to copy the master.
 
2012-05-12 12:23:22 AM

FunkOut: Fano: whatshisname: FLW had some good ideas, but I have no idea how anyone lived in any of his houses. They were designed for midgets who like sitting on hard angular surfaces.

[birdhouse.org image 639x853]

His son was even worse

How many of us played with Lincoln Logs and Playmobil as children?


Too many, and now I am effectively conditioned to accept shiatty quality everything. Thanks technology! Dino Riders, ftw. Silly putty was more interesting than Lincoln Logs.
 
2012-05-12 12:24:47 AM

elbows_deep_silent_queef: Forgive me for being pedantic, or don't, as I really don't give a fark, but from what I've heard most architects don't build shiat, in the same sense that most dentists I know don't perform heart transplants.


Architects are legally responsible for their designs and have to spend tens of thousands of dollars on liability insurance every year. If the roof leaks, and the contractor built it to spec, it's the architect's fault.
 
2012-05-12 12:25:14 AM
As for "that beach house", the Lovell Beach House out in California, which is a rather well regarded piece of modern architecture,

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-05-12 12:26:54 AM

whatshisname: FLW had some good ideas, but I have no idea how anyone lived in any of his houses. They were designed for midgets who like sitting on hard angular surfaces.


I have spent a lot of time in a lot of Wright houses, and the families who own them make them comfortable.

/ Working my umpteenth Wright Plus tour in June
// Parents are fanbois
/// I do it as an excuse to spend time with my folks
 
2012-05-12 12:27:37 AM

WhyteRaven74: As for "that beach house", the Lovell Beach House out in California, which is a rather well regarded piece of modern architecture,

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]


Yeah, but I'm not sure it was designed by anyone mentioned in the article. A bit of a non sequitur.
 
2012-05-12 12:29:20 AM

whatshisname: Architects are legally responsible for their designs and have to spend tens of thousands of dollars on liability insurance every year


Actually the engineers are responsible for a lot of it. It's up to the engineer to figure out how to make the roof not leak or the windows stay in place. Granted if structural engineers were allowed to practice architecture you could greatly streamline the process. Or if more than literally a few architects had structural engineering degrees that could also simplify things. For what it's worth, Wright was actually gifted at structural engineering, which is part of why he came up with some of his designs, like the Unity Temple in Oak Park, Illinois or the Johnson Wax HQ in Racine, Wisconsin.
 
2012-05-12 12:30:13 AM

jaytkay: I have spent a lot of time in a lot of Wright houses, and the families who own them make them comfortable.


So they buy lots of cushions and table lamps?

FLW houses are also dark as hell. All about the geometry, with not much consideration for natural or artificial light.
 
2012-05-12 12:30:46 AM

Farty McPooPants: Ummm, why were they going to demolish these homes? Did I miss that part?


Article didnt see fit to tell us, but I'm guessing it's to place a gem like this on the two lots.

luminousmuse.files.wordpress.com

Breathtaking really.
 
2012-05-12 12:30:48 AM
"After rapidly formulating the relocation plans in under a fortnight, Catratombone must now deal with the financial realities that lay before him. He hopes that he can rebuild the Schindler house by next summer, when he will rent it out to architects and Wright fans."



Subby reading comprehension fail. He doesn't have to have it moved in two weeks, that's how long it took to come up with a plan.
 
2012-05-12 12:30:53 AM

WhyteRaven74: Linkster: "Designed by Frank Lloyd Wright's student"

While working in Wright's studio, which means Wright signed off on it and approved of it and given it looks like a Wright house it was a case of a young apprentice who still was expected to copy the master.


It doesn't work that way. Just because he likes it, signed it and took the money for it, doesn't mean he DESIGNED shiat!

My work is my work. I'm not an arch-y-dick, nor do I do houses. But I have been in the field, built what I designed and gotten nothing but a wage, and the satisfaction that I made your life just a touch easier.

Water and a shiatter, you are welcome.
 
2012-05-12 12:30:59 AM
Huh. I grew up a block and two streets down away from this guy. In fact, I'm not sure anyone lived there, but it was always well kept.

There are a fark-ton of awesome homes on Moss Ave. in Peoria. I didn't realize that Frank Lloyd Wright houses were that important until I was...maybe 20 or so.
 
2012-05-12 12:31:08 AM

whatshisname: Yeah, but I'm not sure it was designed by anyone mentioned in the article. A bit of a non sequitur.


It was designed by Rudolph Schindler, who is mentioned in the article.
 
2012-05-12 12:32:29 AM

whatshisname: elbows_deep_silent_queef: Forgive me for being pedantic, or don't, as I really don't give a fark, but from what I've heard most architects don't build shiat, in the same sense that most dentists I know don't perform heart transplants.

Architects are legally responsible for their designs and have to spend tens of thousands of dollars on liability insurance every year. If the roof leaks, and the contractor built it to spec, it's the architect's fault.


This happens When?
 
2012-05-12 12:33:34 AM

WhyteRaven74: Actually the engineers are responsible for a lot of it. It's up to the engineer to figure out how to make the roof not leak or the windows stay in place.


No, the engineers make sure it doesn't fall down. They deal with concrete, steel and maybe heavy timber structures. The architect does the weatherproofing and glazing and coordinates the entire design. But if there's ever a lawsuit, the whole building team usually gets dragged into it.
 
2012-05-12 12:36:11 AM

TomD9938: but I'm guessing it's to place a gem like this on the two lots.


Not all that likely given the area it's in.

Linkster: doesn't mean he DESIGNED shiat!


Given how the house looks, it's either Schindler just copying Wright, doing what Wright told him to do or Wright coming up with the basic design and Schindler fleshing it out. Also these days lots of stuff is listed as being designed by architectural firms even though it's the work of just one person at the firm. Like the new WTC 7, it's listed as being by Skidmore, Owing and Merrill of Chicago in a lot of places but it was actually designed by David Childs. Who sucks.
 
2012-05-12 12:37:42 AM

WhyteRaven74: whatshisname: Architects are legally responsible for their designs and have to spend tens of thousands of dollars on liability insurance every year

Actually the engineers are responsible for a lot of it. It's up to the engineer to figure out how to make the roof not leak or the windows stay in place. Granted if structural engineers were allowed to practice architecture you could greatly streamline the process. Or if more than literally a few architects had structural engineering degrees that could also simplify things. For what it's worth, Wright was actually gifted at structural engineering, which is part of why he came up with some of his designs, like the Unity Temple in Oak Park, Illinois or the Johnson Wax HQ in Racine, Wisconsin.


This! Pretty pictures and plans don't build a house, a bridge, a tower, or infrastructure. It's the poor bastard that has to pound the wood, climb the wire, lay the block, and bolt the steel!

Even after the Engineer gets done with it, it's not done!
 
2012-05-12 12:42:05 AM

WhyteRaven74: Not all that likely given the area it's in.


That's smart.

In terms of re-sale, it's best not to have the nicest house in the neighborhood.
 
2012-05-12 12:42:17 AM

WhyteRaven74: TomD9938: but I'm guessing it's to place a gem like this on the two lots.

Not all that likely given the area it's in.

Linkster: doesn't mean he DESIGNED shiat!

Given how the house looks, it's either Schindler just copying Wright, doing what Wright told him to do or Wright coming up with the basic design and Schindler fleshing it out. Also these days lots of stuff is listed as being designed by architectural firms even though it's the work of just one person at the firm. Like the new WTC 7, it's listed as being by Skidmore, Owing and Merrill of Chicago in a lot of places but it was actually designed by David Childs. Who sucks.


True, places that big team it out and 40 people do a couple dozen little things, all pre-packaged that that "the Architect" has to sign. Childs didn't even draw the original concept. Some 3 year drafter pulled a pic off the internet and redrew it.
 
2012-05-12 12:44:48 AM

austin_millbarge: Smeggy Smurf: Greene & Greene were 10 times the architects of that overrated hack

Wow, architect fanboys. Who knew.


We all have our favorites. Mines is Mies van der Rohe.
 
2012-05-12 12:46:43 AM

TomD9938: Farty McPooPants: Ummm, why were they going to demolish these homes? Did I miss that part?

Article didnt see fit to tell us, but I'm guessing it's to place a gem like this on the two lots.

[luminousmuse.files.wordpress.com image 500x353]

Breathtaking really.


Looks like my old neighborhood in a Dallas suburb. Those houses are ugly as sin but absolutely massive on the inside. Basically two large homes stacked on top of each other. Live in Phx now, think I'll go up to Taliesin West tomorrow for a tour.
 
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