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(TV Line)   Remember how excited you were to hear Community got a 13 episode 4th season? Well, Whitney just got a 22 episode second season   (tvline.com) divider line 169
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2012-05-11 11:06:12 PM

browntimmy: UCFRoadWarrior: What is so funny is that the people whining about Whitney are the same ones who like a show with Chevy Chase in it. Priceless

Yes I would do Whitney

Every time you post, you make Fark worse.

1. You're a Jay Leno fan, so I'm wasting my time even responding
2. Chevy Chase's character is not a major focus of the show
3. Whitney would not do you


THIS.

UCFRoadWarrior would want to be the B in a Human Centipede with Big Jaw and Whitney Cummings so bad.
 
2012-05-11 11:07:01 PM

100 Watt Walrus: RoyFokker'sGhost: Archimedes' Principal: RoyFokker'sGhost: I wonder if I should start stocking up on ammo now for my killing spree if Awake gets cancelled while Whitney gets renewed?

Uh, 'Awake' has been canceled.

/ Release the hounds.

Well, it's only a 5 hour drive to Burbank. Plenty of time this weekend to buy ammo and get liquored up to fuel the killing rage.

On the bright side, I have absolutely zero reason to watch network TV anymore.

I tried to watch that show. I gave it two episodes, and about half of a third, but there were just too many huge, obvious holes in the concept and each plot - holes that went willfully ignored - that I just couldn't take it. The primary one being that the main character literally never sleeps. He'd be exhausted, which could prove to be a compelling plot point in itself. But it's never even mentioned. Maybe they "got around to it" later in the season. But with obvious stuff like that being ignored, I felt like my intelligence was being insulted, and it made the show hard to take seriously.


Actually, the second episode of Awake deals with just that: Britan burning out from not sleeping. Granted, they haven't resolved the 'no sleep' issue yet, but with the way things are going, I'm willing to bet there's a good reason why it's not having an impact. They've had great episodes dealing with the divergence of the timelines, information bleeding between the timelines, and some interesting theories to exactly what is going on. Granted, the sleep thing might take too much suspension of disbelief for you, but if you give it a chance, it really is an exceptional show; every bit as good as the original British 'Life On Mars'.
 
2012-05-11 11:12:53 PM

9beers: It's hilarious how you geeks latch on something to hate and then act as if your opinion is all that matters. Whitney is a farking hilarious show and I'm glad to see it coming back. I bet most of you trying to be cool by hating on it with the rest of the sheep have never even seen an episode.


www.musicinsite.com

I don't know what's more pathetic; white-knighting an attention whoring hack or going out of one's way to watch said AW hack.
 
2012-05-11 11:18:14 PM

100 Watt Walrus: The primary one being that the main character literally never sleeps.


That's only true if you take what's happening at face value. Which means you and the protagonist have something in common. Every other character in the show would disagree with you. In fact, his wife has clearly stated that he does sleep.
 
2012-05-11 11:19:07 PM

9beers: Kaybeck: 2/10

So people watched Firefly? Fox cancelled a popular show?

0/10

See, I can do it too.


You did it wrong. It doesn't make sense to fall for what you perceive as trolling in the same post in which you're grading what you perceive as trolling. The "See, I can do it too." makes sense, however.

Once more, unfortunately, you are equating popularity with quality, which simply isn't a sensible thing to do and reflects quite poorly upon you.
 
2012-05-11 11:28:49 PM

gimmegimme: Once more, unfortunately, you are equating popularity with quality, which simply isn't a sensible thing to do and reflects quite poorly upon you.


So your opinion on the quality of the show should be accepted over its popularity?
 
2012-05-11 11:32:23 PM

9beers: gimmegimme: Once more, unfortunately, you are equating popularity with quality, which simply isn't a sensible thing to do and reflects quite poorly upon you.

So your opinion on the quality of the show should be accepted over its popularity?


Reread what I wrote. I'm saying that popularity is not necessarily a measure of quality.
 
2012-05-11 11:35:55 PM

gimmegimme: I'm saying that popularity is not necessarily a measure of quality.


Sure it is, people watch what they like. It's a sitcom, the only quality required is that it make people laugh.
 
2012-05-11 11:37:16 PM
It insists upon itself.
 
2012-05-11 11:38:21 PM
People have REALLY short memories with this stuff.

Do you not remember that only a short few years ago, NBC's solution to TV programming was extra Jay Leno hours on weeknights at 10pm. That was only in 2009 - 2010. Crappy, lowbrow as Whitney or these other shows may be, can we not say that at least trying new sitcoms and dramas is better than just airing 5 nights of Jay Leno?

But this issue isn't just with NBC, with so many networks and cable channels, even ones that put out good TV can't possibly fill all hours.

Take FX:
Sons of Anarchy, Justified, American Horror Story (1 hour X 3 = 3 hours)
Always Sunny in Philadelphia, The League, Archer, Louie (0.5 hours X 4 = 2 hours)
So they can manage to air original programs to fill roughly 5 hours out of a 15 hour a week primetime (8-11 M-F) and that's not even including Sunday nights which are big for TV

NBC, not being a cable channel, can't get away with that, they have to fill time with something. You shouldn't really let it bother you if crappy shows air, just ignore them and don't watch. The real injustice is when a show that isn't crappy is canceled too early and not given time to build an audience or find it's niche.
 
2012-05-11 11:39:26 PM

9beers: gimmegimme: I'm saying that popularity is not necessarily a measure of quality.

Sure it is, people watch what they like. It's a sitcom, the only quality required is that it make people laugh.


Do you have any proof that Whitney makes people laugh? You only have proof that people have the television tuned to NBC when the program is on.
 
2012-05-11 11:43:20 PM

gimmegimme: Do you have any proof that Whitney makes people laugh? You only have proof that people have the television tuned to NBC when the program is on.


So there's some strange phenomenon where people tune into Whitney on Thursday night and then go clean their bathrooms?
 
2012-05-11 11:48:10 PM

9beers: gimmegimme: Do you have any proof that Whitney makes people laugh? You only have proof that people have the television tuned to NBC when the program is on.

So there's some strange phenomenon where people tune into Whitney on Thursday night and then go clean their bathrooms?


Whitney is no longer broadcast on Thursday nights.
 
2012-05-11 11:53:30 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: 100 Watt Walrus: RoyFokker'sGhost: Archimedes' Principal: RoyFokker'sGhost: I wonder if I should start stocking up on ammo now for my killing spree if Awake gets cancelled while Whitney gets renewed?

Uh, 'Awake' has been canceled.

/ Release the hounds.

Well, it's only a 5 hour drive to Burbank. Plenty of time this weekend to buy ammo and get liquored up to fuel the killing rage.

On the bright side, I have absolutely zero reason to watch network TV anymore.

I tried to watch that show. I gave it two episodes, and about half of a third, but there were just too many huge, obvious holes in the concept and each plot - holes that went willfully ignored - that I just couldn't take it. The primary one being that the main character literally never sleeps. He'd be exhausted, which could prove to be a compelling plot point in itself. But it's never even mentioned. Maybe they "got around to it" later in the season. But with obvious stuff like that being ignored, I felt like my intelligence was being insulted, and it made the show hard to take seriously.

Actually, the second episode of Awake deals with just that: Britan burning out from not sleeping. Granted, they haven't resolved the 'no sleep' issue yet, but with the way things are going, I'm willing to bet there's a good reason why it's not having an impact. They've had great episodes dealing with the divergence of the timelines, information bleeding between the timelines, and some interesting theories to exactly what is going on. Granted, the sleep thing might take too much suspension of disbelief for you, but if you give it a chance, it really is an exceptional show; every bit as good as the original British 'Life On Mars'.


What you said makes me think of another problem I had with the show, and maybe this was also addressed later: If the timelines only diverged after the accident (which has been stated on the show a couple times), why are there people who have different jobs and even different personalities in the two worlds? One of the episodes I did see had something to do with a woman from his past coming into his life in both worlds, but she was completely different in each - so when did her timeline diverge? That's a real internal-logic problem for the show.

Granted, if only one of the worlds really exists, it would be fine for the other one to be nonsensical in some respects. But the character himself fails to wonder about many these dichotomies, which makes him seem like he might be a tad too dim to make an effective detective.

I do hope, for the sake of the fans, that the series ends with some kind of resolution.
 
2012-05-11 11:55:23 PM

justtray: It insists upon itself.


These four words make me laugh every time.
 
2012-05-11 11:58:36 PM

gimmegimme: Whitney is no longer broadcast on Thursday nights.


That's right, it was moved to Wednesday, so what's your point?
 
2012-05-12 12:07:39 AM
If you want a prime example of how stupid NBC is in trying to push Whitney Cummings as the next big thing on TV at the expense of other better quality shows, read this excellent piece by former sitcom writer Ken Levine who wrote for M*A*S*H*, Cheers and Frasier.

Link
 
2012-05-12 12:12:17 AM

9beers: gimmegimme: Whitney is no longer broadcast on Thursday nights.

That's right, it was moved to Wednesday, so what's your point?


My point is that you are relying upon a logical fallacy: the argumentum ad populum or appeal to popularity.

www.allamericanblogger.com

The popularity of a work of art or an idea is not necessarily indicative of its value or validity. Aaron Carter's 2000 album Come Get It sold more than three million copies. Does that necessarily make it good or culturally valuable or musically important?

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2012-05-12 12:15:24 AM
Community is just a bit too full of themselves.

Whitney at least has some humor and doesn't take itself seriously.
 
2012-05-12 12:16:58 AM

skykid: If you want a prime example of how stupid NBC is in trying to push Whitney Cummings as the next big thing on TV at the expense of other better quality shows, read this excellent piece by former sitcom writer Ken Levine who wrote for M*A*S*H*, Cheers and Frasier.

Link


Hmm...those shows sucked. If those shows didn't suck, they would still be on. The marketplace would demand them.
 
2012-05-12 12:19:12 AM
Whitney is a very unfunny show, I don't get its popularity. A lot of my friends watch it and it's so dull and boring, with a bunch of rehashed old jokes from every sitcom ever. The laugh tracks during the episodes are also painful.

That said, I've never seen Community. I'm pretty sure it's impossible for it to be less funny than Whitney though.
 
2012-05-12 12:26:03 AM

gimmegimme: The popularity of a work of art or an idea is not necessarily indicative of its value or validity. Aaron Carter's 2000 album Come Get It sold more than three million copies. Does that necessarily make it good or culturally valuable or musically important?


People buy an album once and if it sucks, they're stuck with it. If people watch a show and it sucks, they don't watch it again. The fact that Whitney is pulling in good ratings makes your argument irrelevant. So tell me, should there be some sort of panel that determines which sitcoms should be allowed to air based on their "cultural value" to society? We can't be trusting the general public to watch what they like, right?
 
2012-05-12 12:29:53 AM

gimmegimme: The popularity of a work of art or an idea is not necessarily indicative of its value or validity. Aaron Carter's 2000 album Come Get It sold more than three million copies. Does that necessarily make it good or culturally valuable or musically important?


I dunno dude, he beat Shaq one on one, in one of the most epic hoops games of all time. I think it was at Rucker Park.
 
2012-05-12 12:33:08 AM

9beers: gimmegimme: The popularity of a work of art or an idea is not necessarily indicative of its value or validity. Aaron Carter's 2000 album Come Get It sold more than three million copies. Does that necessarily make it good or culturally valuable or musically important?

People buy an album once and if it sucks, they're stuck with it. If people watch a show and it sucks, they don't watch it again. The fact that Whitney is pulling in good ratings makes your argument irrelevant. So tell me, should there be some sort of panel that determines which sitcoms should be allowed to air based on their "cultural value" to society? We can't be trusting the general public to watch what they like, right?


You still haven't proven that folks are watching Whitney or that they like it. Ratings only indicate that the television is tuned to NBC when it the program is on.

Compare Whitney's ratings to those of any sitcom from twenty years ago. Whitney will not look good by comparison.

Please address my assertion that you are committing a logical fallacy.
 
2012-05-12 12:38:21 AM

gimmegimme: Compare Whitney's ratings to those of any sitcom from twenty years ago. Whitney will not look good by comparison.


Not a fan of either this show or 9Beers trolltastic posts, but I doubt ANY show looks good in comparison to anything 20 years ago. Way too much competition when it comes to entertainment (aka, cable and the internet came about, as well as things such as really awesome video games).
 
2012-05-12 12:40:02 AM

gimmegimme: You still haven't proven that folks are watching Whitney or that they like it. Ratings only indicate that the television is tuned to NBC when it the program is on.


I've heard of some stupid arguments before but I think you're going to win an award with that one.
 
2012-05-12 12:42:57 AM

TheJoe03: gimmegimme: Compare Whitney's ratings to those of any sitcom from twenty years ago. Whitney will not look good by comparison.

Not a fan of either this show or 9Beers trolltastic posts, but I doubt ANY show looks good in comparison to anything 20 years ago. Way too much competition when it comes to entertainment (aka, cable and the internet came about, as well as things such as really awesome video games).


I know. But 9beers is asserting that ratings = quality/humor in the case of a comedy. By his logic, Make Room for Daddy is way funnier than Whitney.

9beers: gimmegimme: You still haven't proven that folks are watching Whitney or that they like it. Ratings only indicate that the television is tuned to NBC when it the program is on.

I've heard of some stupid arguments before but I think you're going to win an award with that one.


I certainly can't shake your personal opinion, but please address my repeated assertion that you are committing a logical fallacy.
 
2012-05-12 12:51:35 AM

gimmegimme: I know. But 9beers is asserting that ratings = quality/humor in the case of a comedy.


Are you really unable to grasp the fact that when shows have good ratings it means that people are tuning in week after week because they like what they're seeing?

Lets approach this a different way, what's your favorite show? Now prove to me that people are tuning in because it's a good show and not because of some logical fallacy.
 
2012-05-12 12:53:57 AM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: hbk72777: She's following the Chelsea Handler plan

Well, Are You There, Chelsea? got canceled today, so Whitney needs to follow that plan a little faster.

AND BRING ON MORE COMMUNITY


Lenny Clarke cannot catch a break.
 
2012-05-12 12:54:12 AM
i am so sad. not because of "Whitney" (don't watch, so don't care), but i missed the "Whitney" part of the headline, so i thought "Community" was renewed for 22 ep...the first couple comments made me confused.
 
2012-05-12 01:16:16 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Community is just a bit too full of themselves.

Whitney at least has some humor and doesn't take itself seriously.


9beers: Whitney is a farking hilarious show and I'm glad to see it coming back. I bet most of you trying to be cool by hating on it with the rest of the sheep have never even seen an episode.


UCFRoadWarrior: What is so funny is that the people whining about Whitney are the same ones who like a show with Chevy Chase in it. Priceless

Yes I would do Whitney



Interesting. Who could have guessed that some of Fark's derpiest members also have bad taste?
 
2012-05-12 01:16:23 AM
I mean Whitney is no Modern Family, but I watched the last couple of episodes and laughed a decent amount. I think if they cut back on the "I"m Whitney, ain't I crazy schtick" and let the boyfriend and his friend Mark (who is surprisingly funny) do their things and also get rid of the Indian guy it could be better next season.
 
2012-05-12 01:16:31 AM
100 Watt Walrus:

Oh, he does wonder about the dichotomies. And the different lives of the same woman (and she's not the only one this happens to) hints that the split occurred prior to the accident. By a great deal of time. I think I have a good idea where the split was, and it's becoming an interesting theory on the nature of alternate realities and the idea of free will vs. determinism. It seems that regardless of where the split occurs or how, some people live parallel lives up until their own 'crisis point', where they create their own split. Britan's currently seems to be caught within his own crisis point and the split isn't able to resolve. So the question is: why is Britan trapped between the two realities?
 
2012-05-12 01:20:08 AM

9beers: gimmegimme: I know. But 9beers is asserting that ratings = quality/humor in the case of a comedy.

Are you really unable to grasp the fact that when shows have good ratings it means that people are tuning in week after week because they like what they're seeing?

Lets approach this a different way, what's your favorite show? Now prove to me that people are tuning in because it's a good show and not because of some logical fallacy.


Oh, now you're shifting the burden of proof. I can only conclude that you have made an assertion based on a logical fallacy and will not admit it.

Argumentum ad populum means like doesn't necessarily equal good. Popular doesn't necessarily equal correct. I can't explain it any easier without resorting to a rebus voiced by Dan Whitney.
 
2012-05-12 01:24:45 AM

gimmegimme: Oh, now you're shifting the burden of proof.


There is no burden of proof, that seems to be what you're unable to grasp. If people like a TV show then it's a good TV show.
 
2012-05-12 01:29:46 AM

ac982000: who is she blowing down at NBC?


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2012-05-12 01:31:16 AM
www4.pictures.zimbio.com

Her face seems to cast a lot of glare.
 
2012-05-12 01:42:35 AM

9beers: gimmegimme: Oh, now you're shifting the burden of proof.

There is no burden of proof, that seems to be what you're unable to grasp. If people like a TV show then it's a good TV show.


I know you have lots of time because high school is getting out soon. Please read a couple books I have been very firm in recommending to Farkers. These are Susan Jacoby's The Age of American Unreason and Charles Pierce's Idiot America. Don't worry; they're not expensive textbooks. They're regularly priced books.

If those are too expensive or you can't get to a bookstore, try studying this list of fallacies along with their descriptions: Logical fallacies

//Understanding the kind of reason that is most persuasive would help you on the Politics tab, too.
 
2012-05-12 01:50:03 AM

9beers: If people like a TV show then it's a good TV show.


Yeah, Britney Spears and Vanilla Ice were the pinnacle of musical achievement, we all know that. It's like how McDonalds is the best burger joint in the world, just look at the sales!
 
2012-05-12 01:52:55 AM

gimmegimme: I know you have lots of time because high school is getting out soon.


Now you're just being the idiot that I suspected you were all along.
 
2012-05-12 01:56:57 AM

R Kelly's Doo Doo Butter: While Whitney isn't the funniest thing ever it is far from the holocaust level crime against humanity that all of you make it out to be. I don't watch the show, but I have seen a handful of episodes and it is a watchable shut your brain off kind of show.


This.
But since this is the Internet, it's all people can do is biatch.
There's been worse that's been renewed, but this generation needs to have its socks blown off everytime or something sucks.
My only problem is, why is it Whitney helps write 2 Broke Girls, which is x10 funnier, but can't help her own show?
 
2012-05-12 02:02:50 AM

9beers: gimmegimme: I know you have lots of time because high school is getting out soon.

Now you're just being the idiot that I suspected you were all along.


I'm sorry! I assumed you were in high school from the power of your arguments and the depth of thought I've seen from you.

Does this mean you're not actually going to admit you are guilty of an argumentum ad populum?
 
2012-05-12 02:04:10 AM

TheJoe03: Yeah, Britney Spears and Vanilla Ice were the pinnacle of musical achievement, we all know that. It's like how McDonalds is the best burger joint in the world, just look at the sales!


Everybody has their own taste in music, if somebody thinks that Britney Spears is the best, then she's the best, it really doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, does it?

The food argument is just stupid, McDonald's sells the most burgers because of price and availability. If their food was put up against the best burgers out there, I'm sure most people wouldn't consider them to be the best.

Everybody likes different things and your opinion of the quality of something is no more important than theirs. I think Whitney is a funny show and apparently a lot of other people feel the same way, deal with it.
 
2012-05-12 02:10:11 AM

gimmegimme: I'm sorry! I assumed you were in high school from the power of your arguments and the depth of thought I've seen from you.


The fact that you think you can win a debate over the quality of a TV show is farking hilarious. I like Whitney and think it's a good show. There's nothing you can say to prove me wrong, no matter how deep and powerful you think you're being.
 
2012-05-12 02:13:03 AM

9beers: TheJoe03: Yeah, Britney Spears and Vanilla Ice were the pinnacle of musical achievement, we all know that. It's like how McDonalds is the best burger joint in the world, just look at the sales!

Everybody has their own taste in music, if somebody thinks that Britney Spears is the best, then she's the best, it really doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, does it?

The food argument is just stupid, McDonald's sells the most burgers because of price and availability. If their food was put up against the best burgers out there, I'm sure most people wouldn't consider them to be the best.

Everybody likes different things and your opinion of the quality of something is no more important than theirs. I think Whitney is a funny show and apparently a lot of other people feel the same way, deal with it.


Wait a minute. Why is McDonald's popularity any different from Whitney's? In one paragraph, you assert that popularity doesn't necessarily equal quality. In the next. you assert that what you think is awesomest is best.

Did you know you can preview your posts?
 
2012-05-12 02:30:08 AM

missiv: Mother


According to Wikipedia (I know, I know) ,they claim she just turned 37 in February,

Ima let that sink in.


this is only 37

static6.businessinsider.com
 
2012-05-12 02:33:05 AM

gimmegimme: Wait a minute. Why is McDonald's popularity any different from Whitney's?


For somebody claiming to be so intelligent, you sure do ask some ignorant questions.

When people choose to eat at McDonald's, most are doing so because of availability and price. Choosing a 2 dollar burger from the place around the corner doesn't mean people think it's better than the 5 dollar burger on the other side of town.

Whitney is one of many broadcast TV shows available to anybody with a TV. There aren't any decisions to be made regarding cost or convenience when choosing which show to watch. Enough of them are tuning in to watch Whitney that NBC has renewed if for another season.
 
2012-05-12 02:33:12 AM

9beers: gimmegimme: I'm sorry! I assumed you were in high school from the power of your arguments and the depth of thought I've seen from you.

The fact that you think you can win a debate over the quality of a TV show is farking hilarious. I like Whitney and think it's a good show. There's nothing you can say to prove me wrong, no matter how deep and powerful you think you're being.


? I'm not trying to win a debate with relation to the quality of Community. I'm trying to help you understand that the popularity of a work of art or an idea isn't necessarily related to its quality. I know I can't dissuade you from your blind faith with respect to Whitney, but perhaps you will someday come across some of the arguments I am making with regard to logic and critical thinking. In that case, everyone on Fark would benefit.

//I must admit that I liked reading your posts about Back to the Future from earlier on Friday.
 
2012-05-12 02:38:30 AM

9beers: gimmegimme: Wait a minute. Why is McDonald's popularity any different from Whitney's?

For somebody claiming to be so intelligent, you sure do ask some ignorant questions.

When people choose to eat at McDonald's, most are doing so because of availability and price. Choosing a 2 dollar burger from the place around the corner doesn't mean people think it's better than the 5 dollar burger on the other side of town.

Whitney is one of many broadcast TV shows available to anybody with a TV. There aren't any decisions to be made regarding cost or convenience when choosing which show to watch. Enough of them are tuning in to watch Whitney that NBC has renewed if for another season.


What you don't understand is that you equated Whitney with McDonald's. I agree. Neither tastes very good. They're made from substandard ingredients. But they're there and they're cheap.

I'm glad we agree on something.
 
2012-05-12 02:40:39 AM

9beers: Everybody has their own taste in music, if somebody thinks that Britney Spears is the best, then she's the best, it really doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, does it?


Okay, sure, artistic tastes are based upon opinion but that doesn't change the fact that art has always been judged on merits and talent, especially when we evaluate said art in the future. I guess you might assert that the NSYNC are better than Jimi Hendrix (I assume the former had more sales than the latter in their respective eras), but everyone that knows a thing about music will call you out for being an idiot. Or maybe you think Harry Potter or Twilight are better novels than The Great Gatsby or the Odyssey, again we will call you an idiot. That's what's happening in this thread as we speak, but with this show called Whitney. I personally have never seen it, but I find the argument of "sales=talent and skill" to be incredibly asinine.
 
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