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Nadie_AZ		2012-05-11 04:13:28 PM

I am no fan of what NC just passed, but the article simply says 'it might could happen.'

unlikely		2012-05-11 04:17:20 PM

Well someone pony up a list of NC-based businesses and we'll see if we can't make it happen.

James!		2012-05-11 04:19:46 PM

Imagine applying for a job in another state where your marriage out automatically be treated as non-existent.

Diogenes		2012-05-11 04:23:58 PM

Why should it matter? Should you compromise on your morals when they become economically inconvenient?

The ban is a huge crock of BS. But the people behind it, I would imagine, aren't going to be significantly swayed by this argument. If they were to be, it would be evidence that they're motivated purely by bigotry and not some so-called moral objections.

Humean_Nature		2012-05-11 04:26:13 PM

Nadie_AZ: I am no fan of what NC just passed, but the article simply says 'it might could happen.'

More like 'it might could happen and we have no evidence to suggest that it probably won't could not maybe happen.' These bans are nasty pieces of legislative bigotry, but this isn't really the best angle to attack them from.

AbbeySomeone		2012-05-11 04:27:18 PM

unlikely: Well someone pony up a list of NC-based businesses and we'll see if we can't make it happen.

google RTP or research triangle park

Walker		2012-05-11 04:42:21 PM

Rev. Skarekroe		2012-05-11 04:43:08 PM

They don't need business if it's based on Christian morals anyway.

Quasar		2012-05-11 04:48:24 PM

I was okay with it back when we were repressing an icky minority, but now that my business my be affected... CALL THE GOVERNOR AT ONCE

OtherLittleGuy		2012-05-11 04:50:59 PM

Humean_Nature: Nadie_AZ: I am no fan of what NC just passed, but the article simply says 'it might could happen.'

More like 'it might could happen and we have no evidence to suggest that it probably won't could not maybe happen.' These bans are nasty pieces of legislative bigotry, but this isn't really the best angle to attack them from.

Arizona (and the is pre-Tea Party Arizona) got hit hard with financial boycots when it failed to recognize MLK Day. When the NFL pulled out the Super Bowl, it was a significant impetus for them to move.

Money will do it, but you need to have a significant sports institution step and say, "No Gay Marriage? No money for you," and I'm not seeing any Branch Rickeys around, just a bunch of Judge Kenesaw Landises.

Diogenes		2012-05-11 04:56:07 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Humean_Nature: Nadie_AZ: I am no fan of what NC just passed, but the article simply says 'it might could happen.'

More like 'it might could happen and we have no evidence to suggest that it probably won't could not maybe happen.' These bans are nasty pieces of legislative bigotry, but this isn't really the best angle to attack them from.

Arizona (and the is pre-Tea Party Arizona) got hit hard with financial boycots when it failed to recognize MLK Day. When the NFL pulled out the Super Bowl, it was a significant impetus for them to move.

Money will do it, but you need to have a significant sports institution step and say, "No Gay Marriage? No money for you," and I'm not seeing any Branch Rickeys around, just a bunch of Judge Kenesaw Landises.

*sigh*

CSB - when Arizona started this 'papers please' nonsense my company (global) decided to make all of us prove our citizenship, or non citizen creds to work legally.

What was funny was most of the non-native Americans had it easy. They're used to that stuff and have their documentation all in order.

It cost me $200+ to get all my documentation in order. My original birth certificate is no good. I had to track down the one with the raised NJ seal from when Mom remarried when I was 7 and my father adopted me and I changed my name.

These state-level shenanigans are affecting us all.

dorko16		2012-05-11 06:01:12 PM

Backwards hicks prove they're backwards hicks.

sammyk		2012-05-11 06:07:36 PM

AbbeySomeone: unlikely: Well someone pony up a list of NC-based businesses and we'll see if we can't make it happen.

google RTP or research triangle park

The RTP area voted against. Same with Charlotte, Asheville and any place you may want to visit as a tourist. You will never hurt the hicks that voted for this with a boycott. They actually take pride in being unsophisticated dirt poor knuckle dragger's. Besides, banking is one of our biggest industries and you all have switched to credit unions anyway.

I think the republicans of this state miscalculated in a different way that will hurt them at the polls. The dems in the state are pissed off. The kind of pissed off that will get them out to vote in November. Now that gay marriage is a presidential election issue they will be reminded of it for the next 6 months. The dipshiats that voted for amendment one are just that, dipshiats. They won a battle and think they won the war so they may not be all that motivated especially for a candidate like Rmoney that they don't like to begin with.

AbbeySomeone		2012-05-11 06:21:00 PM

sammyk: AbbeySomeone: unlikely: Well someone pony up a list of NC-based businesses and we'll see if we can't make it happen.

google RTP or research triangle park

The RTP area voted against. Same with Charlotte, Asheville and any place you may want to visit as a tourist. You will never hurt the hicks that voted for this with a boycott. They actually take pride in being unsophisticated dirt poor knuckle dragger's. Besides, banking is one of our biggest industries and you all have switched to credit unions anyway.

I think the republicans of this state miscalculated in a different way that will hurt them at the polls. The dems in the state are pissed off. The kind of pissed off that will get them out to vote in November. Now that gay marriage is a presidential election issue they will be reminded of it for the next 6 months. The dipshiats that voted for amendment one are just that, dipshiats. They won a battle and think they won the war so they may not be all that motivated especially for a candidate like Rmoney that they don't like to begin with.

The RTP contains too many transplants to let that sh*t fly. Chapel Hill, Asheville as well; more education, etc.

GAT_00		2012-05-11 06:35:57 PM

Indubitably		2012-05-11 06:51:58 PM

Way to go, NC.

You just put the 'urp in d'urp,

heh.

;)

LabGrrl		2012-05-11 06:54:05 PM

Oh no, elections have consequences.

Gonad the Ballbarian		2012-05-11 06:54:57 PM

More like From the "Didn't read the article all the way through before submitting a headline" dept.

hbk72777		2012-05-11 06:55:39 PM

How many different ways are you going to biatch about the same damn thing? Should it be banned? no, but goddamn , you people have been repeating yourselves for the last week.

aegean		2012-05-11 06:55:39 PM

unlike almost all the other states - including California - that passed the same legislation?

salvador.hardin		2012-05-11 06:57:35 PM

In the last 4 years both Bank of America and Wells Fargo have made serious considerations of pulling their organizations out of Charlotte. Instead, each made significant cuts in the labor force and decided to stay. If they find themselves making that decision again, the State's restraint on their rights to contract with their employees will be a factor in their decisions.

Little.Alex		2012-05-11 06:59:35 PM

Article is complete bullshiat fantasy, and a good example of why NYT is going out of business.

Are the other 32 states that don't recognize mentally ill marriage bankrupt too?

Hand Banana		2012-05-11 07:01:14 PM

dorko16: Backwards hicks prove they're backwards hicks.

Sadly most of the nation is made up of backwards hicks.

upload.wikimedia.org

States in red have the same bans on same sex marriage.

asmodeus224		2012-05-11 07:01:26 PM

FTFA: Moreover, "there's little or no evidence that same-sex couples consider the issue of lesbian-bisexual-gay-transgender laws in deciding where to move," Gary Gates told me this week. Mr. Gates is a demographer, co-author of the book "The Gay and Lesbian Atlas" and distinguished fellow at the Williams Institute of the University of California, Los Angeles, which studies lesbian-bisexual-gay-transgender issues. "Their patterns look like the broader patterns in the U.S. They're moving south and west. For everyone who moves, the main reason is for a job. Even for the L.G.B.T. community, the top issue is the job. Marriage rights are secondary.""

Ok, except for the fact that up until recently, there wasn't much variation amongst the states in the level of discrimination that was heaped upon LGBT...this is changing massively. JMHO

Wessoman		2012-05-11 07:01:46 PM

unlikely: Well someone pony up a list of NC-based businesses and we'll see if we can't make it happen.

While I hate what NC has done, I'm still buying a MiniMoog.

students.expression.edu

I can, however, pass on MoogFest this year based on principle.

LilJackill		2012-05-11 07:02:59 PM

This is likely to hit my county especially hard. Haywood borders Buncombe county, where Asheville is located. We are a tourist based industry over here, with the exception of the paper mill I work at. And my inbred, redneck, backwoods idiot neighbors voted this shiat in. Idiots.

/Voted against it, and motivated all of my family and friends to do the same.
//Still damned ashamed of my state.

master_of_rayality		2012-05-11 07:05:35 PM

If these folks who are against same-sex marriage are truly doing it to protect the sanctity of the institution of marriage, then I'm *sure* the bans on divorce will be coming soon. Right? Right?

dericwater		2012-05-11 07:05:45 PM

AbbeySomeone: unlikely: Well someone pony up a list of NC-based businesses and we'll see if we can't make it happen.

google RTP or research triangle park

To be fair, people in the RTP area didn't vote for Amendment One. At least not enough to create a majority of pro-Amendment Ones.

Burning_Monk		2012-05-11 07:06:16 PM

As long as you can still marry your cousin, there will be jobs in NC.

lewismarktwo		2012-05-11 07:06:45 PM

AbbeySomeone: sammyk: AbbeySomeone: unlikely: Well someone pony up a list of NC-based businesses and we'll see if we can't make it happen.

google RTP or research triangle park

The RTP area voted against. Same with Charlotte, Asheville and any place you may want to visit as a tourist. You will never hurt the hicks that voted for this with a boycott. They actually take pride in being unsophisticated dirt poor knuckle dragger's. Besides, banking is one of our biggest industries and you all have switched to credit unions anyway.

I think the republicans of this state miscalculated in a different way that will hurt them at the polls. The dems in the state are pissed off. The kind of pissed off that will get them out to vote in November. Now that gay marriage is a presidential election issue they will be reminded of it for the next 6 months. The dipshiats that voted for amendment one are just that, dipshiats. They won a battle and think they won the war so they may not be all that motivated especially for a candidate like Rmoney that they don't like to begin with.

The RTP contains too many transplants to let that sh*t fly. Chapel Hill, Asheville as well; more education, etc.

That's cute. Do you really think those yankee transplants aren't bigoted because they weren't raised in NC? Why do you think they moved there? Well it wasn't just to beat inflation and get a cheaper house I can tell you that.

And lets not forget about blacks who overwhelmingly vote for marriage inequality. The majority of the people who actually voted on this were old people. Most people who didn't have it talked about in church 3 times a week, didn't even know the vote was going to happen. And the polls close at 7.

fusillade762		2012-05-11 07:08:10 PM

Wonder what the economic impact is when it gets legalized and all those gays start planning wedding ceremonies? I'd guess that could generate a fair bit of economic activity.

WhippingBoy		2012-05-11 07:08:28 PM

BarkingUnicorn		2012-05-11 07:08:32 PM

salvador.hardin: In the last 4 years both Bank of America and Wells Fargo have made serious considerations of pulling their organizations out of Charlotte. Instead, each made significant cuts in the labor force and decided to stay. If they find themselves making that decision again, the State's restraint on their rights to contract with their employees will be a factor in their decisions.

The amendment explicitly states that it does not place any restraints on private contracts. Many NC corporations provide benefits to same-sex domestic partners, despite the earlier law that recognized only hetero marriages.

jungus		2012-05-11 07:08:40 PM

They made their beds, now they can sleep in them.

jfarkinB		2012-05-11 07:09:57 PM

AbbeySomeone: unlikely: Well someone pony up a list of NC-based businesses and we'll see if we can't make it happen.

google RTP or research triangle park

And then realize that Durham, Wake, Chatham and Orange counties, the ones in which nearly all local employees of those companies live, work and vote, all came out AGAINST the amendment.

But, yeah, go ahead and run a boycott. Some of the reduction in tax revenue is bound to trickle down enough to hurt the derpsters in the largely-rural rest of the state. Never mind that you're disproportionately hurting the ones who worked, and continue to work, to prevent and undo the damage.

Wessoman		2012-05-11 07:10:25 PM

master_of_rayality: If these folks who are against same-sex marriage are truly doing it to protect the sanctity of the institution of marriage, then I'm *sure* the bans on divorce will be coming soon. Right? Right?

Even though Adultery is mentioned in the 10 Commandments and Jesus never ever mentioned Homosexuality, gay sex is apparently icky but divorce is AOK to the average Supply-Side Christian®.

taxandspend		2012-05-11 07:11:52 PM

BarkingUnicorn: salvador.hardin: In the last 4 years both Bank of America and Wells Fargo have made serious considerations of pulling their organizations out of Charlotte. Instead, each made significant cuts in the labor force and decided to stay. If they find themselves making that decision again, the State's restraint on their rights to contract with their employees will be a factor in their decisions.

The amendment explicitly states that it does not place any restraints on private contracts. Many NC corporations provide benefits to same-sex domestic partners, despite the earlier law that recognized only hetero marriages.

If I'm not mistaken, this law makes it so the only unions that are recognized in the state are "traditional" marriages, i.e. no domestic partnerships of any kind are recognized by the state.

beefoe		2012-05-11 07:12:42 PM

Gay marriage is only recognized in six states so NC is clearly in the mainstream of the 51 states that don't recognize it.

Carth		2012-05-11 07:12:52 PM

Diogenes: OtherLittleGuy: Humean_Nature: Nadie_AZ: I am no fan of what NC just passed, but the article simply says 'it might could happen.'

More like 'it might could happen and we have no evidence to suggest that it probably won't could not maybe happen.' These bans are nasty pieces of legislative bigotry, but this isn't really the best angle to attack them from.

Arizona (and the is pre-Tea Party Arizona) got hit hard with financial boycots when it failed to recognize MLK Day. When the NFL pulled out the Super Bowl, it was a significant impetus for them to move.

Money will do it, but you need to have a significant sports institution step and say, "No Gay Marriage? No money for you," and I'm not seeing any Branch Rickeys around, just a bunch of Judge Kenesaw Landises.

*sigh*

CSB - when Arizona started this 'papers please' nonsense my company (global) decided to make all of us prove our citizenship, or non citizen creds to work legally.

What was funny was most of the non-native Americans had it easy. They're used to that stuff and have their documentation all in order.

It cost me $200+ to get all my documentation in order. My original birth certificate is no good. I had to track down the one with the raised NJ seal from when Mom remarried when I was 7 and my father adopted me and I changed my name.

These state-level shenanigans are affecting us all.

Why didn't you just show your passport?

Bendal		2012-05-11 07:12:57 PM

Amendment One does more than ban gay marriage. it also makes only marriage (between a man and a woman, of course), the only social arrangement that the state recognizes. No more domestic partnerships, no more civil unions. Most people I know who voted against the amendment did so because of these other factors, not because it banned gay marriage.

lewismarktwo		2012-05-11 07:13:03 PM

GAT_00: [i575.photobucket.com image 478x723]

Awesome. NC is the poster child for bigotry now. fark, Imma hop on that bandwagon too.

fark YOU, ENTIRE STATE MADE UP OF DIVERSE PEOPLES! RABBLE RABBLE!

StopLurkListen		2012-05-11 07:13:17 PM

unlikely: Well someone pony up a list of NC-based businesses and we'll see if we can't make it happen.

Epic Games, also makes the 'Unreal' game engine

ck1938		2012-05-11 07:13:52 PM

lewismarktwo: And lets not forget about blacks who overwhelmingly vote for marriage inequality. The majority of the people who actually voted on this were old people. Most people who didn't have it talked about in church 3 times a week, didn't even know the vote was going to happen. And the polls close at 7.

Lots of angry white people on here.

Omahawg		2012-05-11 07:14:13 PM

Hand Banana: dorko16: Backwards hicks prove they're backwards hicks.

Sadly most of the nation is made up of backwards hicks.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 351x217]

States in red have the same bans on same sex marriage.

this backwards iowa hick supports gay marriage. wtf?

also, someone post nelson saying ha ha. i's a lazy inbred but 'leastways i ain't ig'nant

LabGrrl		2012-05-11 07:14:26 PM

jfarkinB: AbbeySomeone: unlikely: Well someone pony up a list of NC-based businesses and we'll see if we can't make it happen.

google RTP or research triangle park

And then realize that Durham, Wake, Chatham and Orange counties, the ones in which nearly all local employees of those companies live, work and vote, all came out AGAINST the amendment.

But, yeah, go ahead and run a boycott. Some of the reduction in tax revenue is bound to trickle down enough to hurt the derpsters in the largely-rural rest of the state. Never mind that you're disproportionately hurting the ones who worked, and continue to work, to prevent and undo the damage.

Which will hopefully motivate them to do more to help drag the people you are calling derpsters into the 21st century.

Ask any of us who are pro-gay marriage from Central New York about that. Any time.

I'm the least confrontational lady on the planet in public, and my GOP state senator knew he was going to have to explain his vote on marriage equality to my face....and my friend's faces, and my son's..and my mom's and my wife's.

Carth		2012-05-11 07:16:08 PM

To anyone who advocates making same sex marriage a state's rights issue (including Obama). Do you think miscegenation should also be a state's right issue? What makes these issues different?

lewismarktwo		2012-05-11 07:16:37 PM

Carth: Diogenes: OtherLittleGuy: Humean_Nature: Nadie_AZ: I am no fan of what NC just passed, but the article simply says 'it might could happen.'

More like 'it might could happen and we have no evidence to suggest that it probably won't could not maybe happen.' These bans are nasty pieces of legislative bigotry, but this isn't really the best angle to attack them from.

Arizona (and the is pre-Tea Party Arizona) got hit hard with financial boycots when it failed to recognize MLK Day. When the NFL pulled out the Super Bowl, it was a significant impetus for them to move.

Money will do it, but you need to have a significant sports institution step and say, "No Gay Marriage? No money for you," and I'm not seeing any Branch Rickeys around, just a bunch of Judge Kenesaw Landises.

*sigh*

CSB - when Arizona started this 'papers please' nonsense my company (global) decided to make all of us prove our citizenship, or non citizen creds to work legally.

What was funny was most of the non-native Americans had it easy. They're used to that stuff and have their documentation all in order.

It cost me $200+ to get all my documentation in order. My original birth certificate is no good. I had to track down the one with the raised NJ seal from when Mom remarried when I was 7 and my father adopted me and I changed my name.

These state-level shenanigans are affecting us all.

Why didn't you just show your passport?

Heh, have you tried getting a passport lately? I'm pretty sure they are denying people the first time out of policy now. Then they ask for your original birth cert and two other forms of ID.

kukukupo		2012-05-11 07:17:17 PM

Oh no! North Carolina is just like 29 other states! What will they do!?

lewismarktwo		2012-05-11 07:18:29 PM

ck1938: lewismarktwo: And lets not forget about blacks who overwhelmingly vote for marriage inequality. The majority of the people who actually voted on this were old people. Most people who didn't have it talked about in church 3 times a week, didn't even know the vote was going to happen. And the polls close at 7.

Lots of angry white people on here.

Stating facts makes you angry?

steamingpile		2012-05-11 07:18:30 PM

Nadie_AZ: I am no fan of what NC just passed, but the article simply says 'it might could happen.'

The article contradicts the Subby bullshiat.

The only impediment are for people who are gay and want to be married, to the other 95% of the population they just don't care if the pay is right and living conditions are good.

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