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(Addicting Info)   North Carolina passes amendment banning same sex marriage. AND A CHALLENGER APPEARS   (addictinginfo.org) divider line 118
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2012-05-11 02:07:10 PM
15 votes:
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2012-05-11 01:45:58 PM
11 votes:
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2012-05-11 01:50:18 PM
8 votes:

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?


African Americans only make up a small percentage of our population. Why did we have to pacify such a small portion of the population......
Jews only make up a small percentage of our population. Why did we have to pacify such a small portion of the population......
Asians only make up a small percentage of our population. Why did we have to pacify such a small portion of the population......
2012-05-11 01:58:04 PM
7 votes:

darkedgefan: Eh, it does not matter what the people vote for. Some farking activist judge will just overturn it. They know better then voters.


They know the Constitution better than voters, and some lawmakers.
2012-05-11 01:48:55 PM
5 votes:

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?


So just because someone isn't a powerful force we should deny them rights? You sound like you have the personality of a dictator.
2012-05-11 04:24:09 PM
4 votes:

IAmRight: roadmarks: Knowing that I can't be thrown out of the ER or ICU the next time my partner of 19 years goes in IS really special, thanks for downplaying it.

It's not marriage that prevents you from doing that, that's a whole different thing. The easiest way to get around it is probably by allowing same-sex marriages, though.

/or the hospitals just being cool about it


Actually, it is exactly that. They were not legally required to let non-family into the ICU, and being an unmarried partner does not legally make you family.

As for the kids thing, my wife is bisexual, she had an infant when we met, and we have spent the last 19 years raising him together. That did not stop 3 separate school systems from ignoring all written instructions about calling me first instead of his biological mother (who was in school herself at the time) No marriage = no legal relationship with that child.

No lawyer could grant me that legal status, no matter what paperwork we filled out, or what fees we paid, nothing can afford a partner of the same sex current rights with respect to a child, without requiring the other partner to give up all rights. At least according to Pennsylvania laws, where we were living at the time.

If she had died, it wouldn't even matter if she had requested me to have guardianship of our son if we ran up against a judge who thought gays were icky or immoral.

You are really talking out of your ass when you say it's no big deal, or you have no children and no intention of staying with your partner until death do you part. In which case, maybe you really can't understand why marriage is such a big deal, and I really feel sorry for both you and your partner.
2012-05-11 02:46:09 PM
4 votes:

soakitincider: Gay marriage is not important when compared to how shiatty our economy is


I'm gonna disagree. Civil Rights > Economy.
2012-05-11 02:40:37 PM
4 votes:

IAmRight: Rosa Parks didn't go and get on the bus and refuse to move to make a point


Actually she did. Seriously read your history. A direct quote from her. "People always say that I didn't give up my seat because I was tired, but that isn't true. I was not tired physically, or no more tired than I usually was at the end of a working day. I was not old, although some people have an image of me as being old then. I was forty-two. No, the only tired I was, was tired of giving in."
2012-05-11 02:28:25 PM
4 votes:

IAmRight: wildstarr: This has happened before but I can't recall where. I feel sorry for the clerks. They might personally agree with the couples but get complained at anyway.

This is what annoys me about it. "Hey I'm gonna come in and make you look like a bigot for doing your job!"


Yes, it's best to just accept being denied equal rights to avoid annoying people like you. It's good to have priorities.
2012-05-11 01:57:00 PM
4 votes:

ha-ha-guy: To be fair, setting up camp at the clerk's office and refusing to leave is always going to get you a police escort out of the building at the very least. This feels like a planned move to draw attention to the issue.


www.spokesmanreview.com
2012-05-11 01:48:47 PM
4 votes:

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?


Because that's what we pay our government employees to do, or at least, that's what we should be paying them to do. It's in their rule book:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

All emphasis mine.
2012-05-11 08:27:41 PM
3 votes:

Mouser: whidbey: Mouser: And this is why the so-called "gay rights" movement will never succeed.

Actually, it is a real movement. Nothing "so-called" about it.

Racial minorities won their civil rights victories by appealing to the Christian values of whites and showed how racial prejudice was incompatible with those values. "Gay rights" activists want these same people to turn a blind eye to their Christian values to give the gays a free pass.


Neither movement strove to "convince" others. It took actual legislation to make the bigots comply with the Constitution.

Thanks for playing.

And who do you think passed that legislation? Christian men who could no longer reconcile what their faith taught them with what their culture did. Faith won, and the bigots lost.

Faith is not on the side of the gays here.


If your faith tells you to demonize, discriminate, and try to destroy people because they're consenting adults who love each other who happen to have the same genitals, then it's time to throw that misguided, evil, filthy "faith" away and start actually using your brain.

"Faith" also says we should execute people who eat shrimp, wear blended fabrics, and menstruate without hiding themselves in the wilderness. "Faith" demands that unbelievers be slaughtered and their lands and goods taken. People use their "Faith" to justify all sorts of evils. The two parts of their "Faith they like to ignore and forget are "Love your neighbor as you love yourself and me" and "Judge not, let you yourself be judged; there is no greater judge than I". There's also the little matter of this nation's Constitution stating "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal".

Don't preach to us about "Faith". When you actually follow it the way God wanted you to, then you can talk.
2012-05-11 03:06:48 PM
3 votes:

hubris73: lennavan
WORDS HAVE MEANING

Ok, fine - but the entire argument from the opposition to gay marriage is based around the sanctity of the institution of marriage - sanctity being a term that intrinsically implys a religious connection. So your beef is with their rhetoric, not mine.

Besides, did it really prevent you from understanding the overarching idea I presented?


Simple -- allow gay marriage. The churches are free to not allow gay weddings/matrimony.
The church has NOTHING to do with marriage, despite the fundies saying otherwise. Marriage is a civil contract.
2012-05-11 02:43:55 PM
3 votes:

hubris73: I actually do not think we need to legalize gay marriage. What we need to do is extricate this religious ceremony


The word for the religious ceremony you were describing is "wedding."

"A wedding is the ceremony in which two people are united in marriage or a similar institution."
"Marriage (also called matrimony or wedlock) is a social union or legal contract between people that creates kinship."

WORDS HAVE MEANING
2012-05-11 02:16:02 PM
3 votes:
www.filmsavior.com
Bravo ladies.
2012-05-11 02:15:41 PM
3 votes:

INeedAName: [i361.photobucket.com image 640x480]


They should have had someone proofread that before it went up. Their message of compassion for all is commendable until you get to the line "Christianity for all". I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they meant Christianity for all who want it, but as it's written it's really easy to take that line as undermining the rest of the message.
2012-05-11 02:11:30 PM
3 votes:

Pantubo: I've always said that if you lose a vote, you should go waste cops' time.

It's the progressive, enlightened, adult thing to do.


It shouldn't be up for a vote at all. It should simply be.
2012-05-11 02:07:51 PM
3 votes:

INeedAName: [i361.photobucket.com image 640x480]


More Christians need to be doing things like this.
2012-05-11 02:05:40 PM
3 votes:

Tommy Moo: How can a constitutional amendment be unconstitutional or illegal? This act defines what the law is. You are free to have the opinion (which I share) that this is an unjust law, but this issue calls for a moral argument, not a legal one. If you mean to suggest that this is unconstitutional because the federal Constitution has jurisdiction over marriage law, not states, then again, this is a perfectly legitimate opinion. But the word "marriage" is not in the federal constitution. If it says anything on the matter, it would be the 10th Amendment, which cedes everything not mentioned explicitly back to the states.


State Constitutions cannot do things that violate the federal one. If the fed says you have the right to X, then the state cannot say otherwise, and if it does, that statement cannot be enforced as law.

So if the fed says you have the right to equal protection under law, the state can't say 'no you don't'. some argue that this covers marriage, as the state doesn't have a good reason to deny it to couple XX, but allow it for couple XY. The only reason given for such a ban is religious, and under the 1st, and the 14th (I think), that's unconstitutional as well.
2012-05-11 02:03:19 PM
3 votes:
www.technobuffalo.com

If' your god's so damn omnipotent,
why the hell hasn't it just sent a frikkin' email or a tweet stating what it wants?
2012-05-11 02:02:07 PM
3 votes:

Saiga410: I do enjoy the strawmen they put up there just to knock down and then they thow out that you have a right to marrage, which you don't.

I do applaud the protestors use of civil disobedience and I hope they get their way.


Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State. Loving V. Virginia 1967
2012-05-11 02:00:03 PM
3 votes:

Road Warrior: So Barack Obama was a constitutional rights denying bigot right up until his evolutionary change of heart yesterday?

Interesting.


If I ignored everything Obama did for the LGBT community during his first term, I'd think that, too.
2012-05-11 01:57:14 PM
3 votes:
I seriously don't understand why people are acting this way? Do same-sex marriages somehow mess up other people's marriages? Do these people get special discounts that hetero couples don't get?

And don't even bother bringing up the religious aspect of marriage because if you're using the Old Testament to define marriage congrats you practically want a world where it's Conan The Barbarian vs Genghis Khan.
2012-05-11 01:55:37 PM
3 votes:

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?


No, but they along with all of their straight friends are.
And I will mess with texas.
2012-05-11 01:52:19 PM
3 votes:

ha-ha-guy: To be fair, setting up camp at the clerk's office and refusing to leave is always going to get you a police escort out of the building at the very least. This feels like a planned move to draw attention to the issue.


holy shiat, you cracked the farkin code
2012-05-11 01:49:22 PM
3 votes:
Republican's like to pretend they've read the constitution....I find that funny.
2012-05-11 01:48:50 PM
3 votes:
This is some Rosa Parks level protesting here.
2012-05-12 02:30:05 AM
2 votes:

Mock26: Keizer_Ghidorah: God can shove it up his ass. If he's going to be pissy about me loving another man then he's no God of mine. If he was so concerned about it (and all the other stuff that makes him cry), then why doesn't he wave his omnipotent hand and fix it? He's the one who farked everything up in the first place by leaving the tree in the garden with two beings with no concept of right or wrong.

This is where you are wrong. adam and eve knew right from wrong, but for some reason that upset god. Look at it this way. According to they bible god told adam and eve not to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge, and they obeyed him. We do not know for how long, but they certainly obeyed his command. But, that was not good enough for god. adam and eve were obedient to god and that upset him. So what does he do? He lets the serpent in to sow doubt and tempt eve into eating the fruit, and she then tempted adam. Why would a god get so upset that his command was being followed that he would let the devil into his garden to corrupt his only two worshipers? And surely god would have known that the serpent was entering into the garden and did nothing to stop it! And we can assume he knew that the devil was sneaking, because if the devil was able to hide his actions from god then that would mean that the devil is more powerful than god. Either way, god is a huge farking douche bag.


Also how he decides to destroy all of his creation because of one species making him sad, and he only spared it because of one man and his family (though he still destroys nearly all land-based life anyways just to wipe out humans, was snapping your finger and making them poof out of existence too boring?). Then he purposefully screws around with Pharaoh, who several times was ready and willing to let the slaves go, but God hardened his heart so that he could heap more shiat on Pharaoh and Egypt, and it was only the blood of first-born that finally appeased God into letting Pharaoh let the slaves go (and them he made Pharaoh a dick again so he could chase after the slaves and get swamped). And then the business with Abraham and Isaac, dude you're omnipotent, why do you need to test someone's faith, especially by making him kill his only son? And bears slaughtering children, destroying two cities because people were having fun, poor Job...

Remind me why people worship this monster?
2012-05-11 03:53:02 PM
2 votes:

IAmRight: You're going to be really disappointed when you are able to get married and you realize it's nothing special.


To you it isn't. We get that.

It's actually a big deal for everyone else. I know that probably makes you mad.
2012-05-11 03:11:44 PM
2 votes:

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?


Yeah! How dare we coddle and pacify over 4 million people! And while we are at it, why do we coddle and pacify the 5 million jews in this country? Why are we caring over such a small portion of the population? Oh yeah, and what about the tens of thousands of disabled veterans? Such a small portion of the population should not be coddled and pacified!

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2012-05-11 02:33:55 PM
2 votes:

BR549: Blah blah blah......how about the fact that it just ain't natural for same sex people to be "married"?


Blah blah blah.....how about the fact that it's just natural for some people to be "slaves"
2012-05-11 02:30:15 PM
2 votes:

IAmRight: wildstarr: This has happened before but I can't recall where. I feel sorry for the clerks. They might personally agree with the couples but get complained at anyway.

This is what annoys me about it. "Hey I'm gonna come in and make you look like a bigot for doing your job!"


I know. Rosa Parks should have thought about the poor bus driver.
2012-05-11 02:22:46 PM
2 votes:

Thisbymaster: I don't understand why they were arrested. You go to the clerk and ask for a marriage license application. They give you a piece of paper. You mail in the piece of paper, if it has two female names on it it get rejected. Where does the arrest come in?


Hehe yeah, I skip all the words underneath the title too. Too wordy, gimme it in one sentence or less.
2012-05-11 02:15:08 PM
2 votes:

Pantubo: I've always said that if you lose a vote, you should go waste cops' time.

It's the progressive, enlightened, adult thing to do.


I've always thought civil rights should be left up to the voters. Would have saved us the entire civil war!

It's the progressive, enlightened, adult thing to do.
2012-05-11 02:15:03 PM
2 votes:

Guidette Frankentits: Gosling: downstairs: Wow, I had no idea it was being held in North Carolina. WTF was the DNC thinking?

They were aiming for a state that looked tough to win but not totally out of reach.

Pull it, move it to Minnesota or Nevada


Or keep it there and schedule mass acts of civil disobedience like this one.
2012-05-11 02:13:04 PM
2 votes:

Pantubo


I've always said that if you lose a vote, you should go waste cops' time.

It's the progressive, enlightened, adult thing to do.


"Good answer, Citizen. Thank you for your conformity."
2012-05-11 02:13:02 PM
2 votes:

fnordfocus: Tommy Moo: These people were arrested for trespassing, not politely asking for a marriage license. They made their statement when they went in and asked for the license. They stayed because they wanted to be arrested so the story would get news coverage. I applaud the fact that they are serious about this cause, but details like this are important. If gay people were actually being arrested for the crime of walking into a court house and requesting a marriage license, I would be much more up in arms about this.

It's worth noting that Kern County (CA) Deputies arrested a Unitarian minister for solemnizing a same-sex marriage in California.

This was during the time the state was actually issuing licenses, so I assume the charges were dropped, or they couldn't find anything to charge her with, or something.


How does that not violate the right of that Unitarian minister to exercise her faith per her conscience? The anti-gay marriage movement is an anti-freedom of religion movement.
2012-05-11 02:10:52 PM
2 votes:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?

So just because someone isn't a powerful force we should deny them rights? You sound like you have the personality of a dictator.


But not the brains or charisma
2012-05-11 02:09:43 PM
2 votes:

lennavan: Gays are so icky that they'll try any argument it takes, religion just happens to be the easiest.


I don't buy this for a second. If they weren't raised hearing "homosexuality is a sin" repeatedly and if they weren't repeatedly droning it on then they wouldn't think it. It's not a coincidence that they're religious, it's the cause.

Go to http://www.youtube.com/user/Vote4MarriageNC and check out their "man on the street" videos. EVERY SINGLE ONE starts with "Because this is how God defines marriage" or "because the Bible says".
2012-05-11 02:04:50 PM
2 votes:
FTA"I just want to point out that we're married in the District of Colombia, our nation's capitol."

Full faith and credit clause - how does it work?
2012-05-11 02:03:13 PM
2 votes:

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?


I can imagine someone in 1932 Germany asking that very same question about Jewish people.
2012-05-11 02:02:56 PM
2 votes:

Saiga410: I do enjoy the strawmen they put up there just to knock down and then they thow out that you have a right to marrage, which you don't.

I do applaud the protestors use of civil disobedience and I hope they get their way.


Is it really a strawman since SCOTUS has already ruled that marriage is a fundamental right?
2012-05-11 02:02:42 PM
2 votes:
Crazy plan:

Step 1. Find state that has laws against gay and lesbian marriage.

Step 2. Find incredibly hot lesbian couple

Step 3. Have news crews film them trying to get license in said state

Step 4. Regardless of outcome, have hot lesbian couple make out in front of cameras.

Step 5. fark, who cares? We got hot girls making out with each other on TV. WIN-WIN situation!
2012-05-11 02:02:04 PM
2 votes:
Interesting how for 40 years, I've spent summer vacation in NC, spending last summer a few thousand dollars of my own on the local economy.
You're loss for the rest of my life, NC.
I'll be spending it elsewhere.
I'm probably not the richest or only tourist you'll lose over this, too,
and I'm not going to tirade and call you a bunch of inbred, hillbilly, white trash, rascist, tarrheeled, uneducasted, ignorant, assholes. I don't have to. You do that quite nicely every time you open your toothless, drawling, boiled peanut eating, cottonpickin' yaps.
2012-05-11 02:01:15 PM
2 votes:
As someone who lives 5 blocks from where Homer Plessy was arrested, I salute you.
2012-05-11 02:00:20 PM
2 votes:
As a proponent of marriage equality, I have to admit the author of this article bites off a little more than he can chew.

"Whether you are in favor of the amendment that passed earlier this week in North Carolina or against it, the fact remains that it is an illegal, unconstitutional amendment."

How can a constitutional amendment be unconstitutional or illegal? This act defines what the law is. You are free to have the opinion (which I share) that this is an unjust law, but this issue calls for a moral argument, not a legal one. If you mean to suggest that this is unconstitutional because the federal Constitution has jurisdiction over marriage law, not states, then again, this is a perfectly legitimate opinion. But the word "marriage" is not in the federal constitution. If it says anything on the matter, it would be the 10th Amendment, which cedes everything not mentioned explicitly back to the states.

"Put simply, it's not legal for states to take your constitutional rights away, nor is it legal to arrest people for politely asking to be treated as equal citizens under the US Constitution."

These people were arrested for trespassing, not politely asking for a marriage license. They made their statement when they went in and asked for the license. They stayed because they wanted to be arrested so the story would get news coverage. I applaud the fact that they are serious about this cause, but details like this are important. If gay people were actually being arrested for the crime of walking into a court house and requesting a marriage license, I would be much more up in arms about this.

Just chill. In ten years all these conservative old assholes will die and take their ideas with them. No one born after 1970 gives a crap about gay or straight anything. Just do what makes you happy and don't hurt people.
2012-05-11 01:58:56 PM
2 votes:

LegacyDL: I seriously don't understand why people are acting this way? Do same-sex marriages somehow mess up other people's marriages? Do these people get special discounts that hetero couples don't get?

And don't even bother bringing up the religious aspect of marriage because if you're using the Old Testament to define marriage congrats you practically want a world where it's Conan The Barbarian vs Genghis Khan.


Your inability to comprehend opposition to legal recognition to same-sex unions is a consequence of you not suffering from debilitating mental illness.
2012-05-11 01:53:41 PM
2 votes:
I wish them well. Not that we ever planned on visiting there, my wife and I could never risk going there now. Since I wouldn't be allowed to make decisions on her behalf, any hospital would probably kill her if she were required to go to one when she was not capable of speaking for herself.

Luckily even the Catholic hospital she has been to here in NYS recognized our relationship as valid, and allowed me in the ICU and consultations, etc. even before we were legally married.
2012-05-11 01:50:06 PM
2 votes:

ha-ha-guy: To be fair, setting up camp at the clerk's office and refusing to leave is always going to get you a police escort out of the building at the very least. This feels like a planned move to draw attention to the issue.


Yes, and?
2012-05-11 01:49:25 PM
2 votes:
To be fair, setting up camp at the clerk's office and refusing to leave is always going to get you a police escort out of the building at the very least. This feels like a planned move to draw attention to the issue.
2012-05-11 01:46:55 PM
2 votes:
That's the way you do civil disobedience.
2012-05-11 01:45:31 PM
2 votes:
In other news, thats a hot cop
2012-05-12 02:18:43 AM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: God can shove it up his ass. If he's going to be pissy about me loving another man then he's no God of mine. If he was so concerned about it (and all the other stuff that makes him cry), then why doesn't he wave his omnipotent hand and fix it? He's the one who farked everything up in the first place by leaving the tree in the garden with two beings with no concept of right or wrong.


This is where you are wrong. adam and eve knew right from wrong, but for some reason that upset god. Look at it this way. According to they bible god told adam and eve not to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge, and they obeyed him. We do not know for how long, but they certainly obeyed his command. But, that was not good enough for god. adam and eve were obedient to god and that upset him. So what does he do? He lets the serpent in to sow doubt and tempt eve into eating the fruit, and she then tempted adam. Why would a god get so upset that his command was being followed that he would let the devil into his garden to corrupt his only two worshipers? And surely god would have known that the serpent was entering into the garden and did nothing to stop it! And we can assume he knew that the devil was sneaking, because if the devil was able to hide his actions from god then that would mean that the devil is more powerful than god. Either way, god is a huge farking douche bag.
2012-05-11 11:46:37 PM
1 votes:

tony41454: For this reason (idolatry) God gave them over to regarding passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. . . .and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. -Romans 1:26-32

God votes NO on homosexuality and gay marriage. And HIS vote is the ONLY vote that counts. And He will NEVER change His vote.


as long as you want to take those words verbatim... you might want to check this out:
Link

/By definition, nothing that happens in nature is unnatural.
//Pet peeve of mine when people don't understand that.
2012-05-11 11:34:34 PM
1 votes:

tony41454: For this reason (idolatry) God gave them over to regarding passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. . . .and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. -Romans 1:26-32

God votes NO on homosexuality and gay marriage. And HIS vote is the ONLY vote that counts. And He will NEVER change His vote.


God can shove it up his ass. If he's going to be pissy about me loving another man then he's no God of mine. If he was so concerned about it (and all the other stuff that makes him cry), then why doesn't he wave his omnipotent hand and fix it? He's the one who farked everything up in the first place by leaving the tree in the garden with two beings with no concept of right or wrong.

And again, why so obsessed with only the supposedly anti-gay stuff and completely ignore all of the other passages telling you to kill people for eating shrimp, wearing mixed fabrics, shaving, menstruating in public, and planting more than one crop in the same field? God wouldn't be happy with you picking and choosing which of his commands to follow.

/fark anyone who supports hatred, bigotry and oppression, nothing but vile evil worms
2012-05-11 09:02:44 PM
1 votes:

Proteios1: as they haven't spoke of anything else of substance on a month.
Get on with it!


Look I understand your dislike for the overload, but unless you've had the shiat beat out of you with a baseball bat for being queer, or had your military career derailed by some vengeful fark that didn't like being rejected, then you have no idea of just how significant this issue is.
I am tired of being demonized by the GOP base and it's about GDM time our president came out in our favor.

The hyperbole from the right has fed hate against Gays year after year, only for votes.
When leadership supports oppression it signals a green light to the crazies that it is acceptable to cause harm and hinder the well being of queers. How is that an American value? How is that not significant enough to fight against?
2012-05-11 08:28:34 PM
1 votes:

BooCollins: the media treats it like it is topic number 1.


I know Boo but let's not forget how the GOP has used the Gay community as a whipping post over and over for political gain, to appease their base.
I myself am done with it. They should be spanked and the time has come.
Obama is using their own tactics against them. It's a political game and it's about time to dominate the chess board and come out swinging.
Don't give me this crap about all of the sudden social issues are shelving the economic issues. The GOP started this with their invisible war on women.
They get what they deserve and I hope the Obama campaign comes out with all thrusters engaged. They certainly have the fuel for it.
2012-05-11 06:49:46 PM
1 votes:

Mouser: Faith is not on the side of the gays here.


Main stream money grubbing Faith? Is that who you mean? Televangelists and Super Churches filled to the brim with Christian Fundamentalists and Dominionists who's only rational against gay marriage is because the Bible says so? Those guys? The Vatican who has been playing hide the sausage with pedophile priests? Them

Why in the Hell would I want those phonies on my side?
2012-05-11 06:40:56 PM
1 votes:

Mouser: whidbey:
As if being gay is a "sin" like murder. In other words, full of crap like much of the Bible.

And this is why the so-called "gay rights" movement will never succeed. Racial minorities won their civil rights victories by appealing to the Christian values of whites and showed how racial prejudice was incompatible with those values. "Gay rights" activists want these same people to turn a blind eye to their Christian values to give the gays a free pass.

Showing contempt for those Christian values isn't helping their case, either. Insulting a man's faith is a really brilliant way to get him to show sympathy for your cause.


If God gave a shiat about oppressing Gays he'd have put it in the 10 Commandments.

/See also: Abortion.

Since He didn't you are selectively reading the bible to reinforce your own prejudice.

/A book who's moral fail includes acceptance of slavery.

If religions want to continue to discriminate against gays among themselves on Sunday in their places of worship they can and no doubt will.

Don't expect civilized people with a sense of decency not to speak ill of their stupidity but go ahead, knock yourselves out.

That noted, don't mistake our tolerance of your intolerance to extend beyond those places of worship.

Social control. Not yours. Can not have.

Hate is not a Christian value.

People who think it is are not real Christians in any sense of the word.
2012-05-11 06:02:35 PM
1 votes:
The thing is Mouser this is why putting ones civil rights up for a popular vote is mis guided. The Civil Rights Act was the only way to get people to comply. If that were up to popular vote, well it would be Jim Crowe all over again.
Why do people not get this very simple concept?
2012-05-11 05:06:17 PM
1 votes:

downstairs: lennavan: I think now would be a good time for the (D)'s in this thread to write to their congresspeople and ask for the Democrat National Convention be moved out of the state.

Wow, I had no idea it was being held in North Carolina. WTF was the DNC thinking?


They were thinking that NC has a sizeable African-American community and we'd like to keep the south in play... if anything, make it more in play than it was last election cycle. Regardless of how much they hate the gays, the general isn't a low-turnout primary... the more people we can get to the polls, the better... it's not like Romney's going to have high voter enthusiasm with his support of gay adoption and disdain for gay marriage (because kids need a mother and a father) in the same sentence. It's a crap piece of legislation (that adversely affects peoples right to contract, even outside of the whole gay/straight thing), but it was only voted on by less than 5 percent of North Carolinians.

The message we need to send isn't that we're gonna boycott this, that, and the other... it's that this whole equal rights thing is going to happen, we're going to make it happen, and no matter how much you kick, scream, and amend, you need to get used to the idea that we're all going to be equal in the eyes of the law, because you can't stop it.
2012-05-11 04:58:16 PM
1 votes:

Cat Food Sandwiches: vudukungfu: Interesting how for 40 years, I've spent summer vacation in NC, spending last summer a few thousand dollars of my own on the local economy.
You're loss for the rest of my life, NC.
I'll be spending it elsewhere.
I'm probably not the richest or only tourist you'll lose over this, too,
and I'm not going to tirade and call you a bunch of inbred, hillbilly, white trash, rascist, tarrheeled, uneducasted, ignorant, assholes. I don't have to. You do that quite nicely every time you open your toothless, drawling, boiled peanut eating, cottonpickin' yaps.

Thank you, and be sure to avoid the other 31 states that voted the same way.


Eh, Colorado has been working on undoing the hate of the 80s... this legislative session a few conservatives blocked even their fellow republicans from voting for civil unions by railroading 30 different bills back into committees so they wouldn't actually get a chance to vote on them. A few well placed a-holes are slowing things down, but the movement towards equal protection under the law is inexorable... it will happen, and those who stand in the way will be remembered by history as the Governor Wallaces of our time.
2012-05-11 04:54:41 PM
1 votes:

hdhale: downstairs: pute kisses like a man: PonceAlyosha: IAmRight: Rosa Parks didn't go and get on the bus and refuse to move to make a point

Actually she did. Seriously read your history. A direct quote from her. "People always say that I didn't give up my seat because I was tired, but that isn't true. I was not tired physically, or no more tired than I usually was at the end of a working day. I was not old, although some people have an image of me as being old then. I was forty-two. No, the only tired I was, was tired of giving in."

furthermore, I thought that it was planned.

but, we could talk about plessy, who was the first to start sitting in the wrong section. when plessy sat in the white section of the streetcar in new orleans, he was chosen to do this by civil rights activists because he was a fair skinned black man, professional looking, and had a very calm demeanor and clean background. they wanted to make sure the person in the lawsuit was ready for the whole controversy, and would not damage the cause with his own controversy and would not fight back if there was violence.

interestingly, they chose such a fair skinned black man that they had to inform the rail company of his lineage. since the rail company wanted to fight the law as well, they arrested him with their own detective to make sure he was arrested for the right reason.

that's what started plessy v. ferguson and resulted in the blasphemous conclusion of separate but equal.

^^^^This right there.

People need to cause a stir in hopes they end up in court. We have an adversarial legal system- which is a good thing. But it does (often) require people intentionally break a law to eventually get said law overturned.

Or walk into a local ACORN headquarters and claim to be a prostitute and her pimp looking for assistance setting up business in town when in reality you're there running a sting, am I right?

/I favor allowing gay people to get married, but this was just silly, the North Carolina la ...


How would the plaintiff show they had standing without first being denied the certificate? I mean, you have to show that the law has negatively affected you to file suit... so how exactly would they go about demonstrating that?
2012-05-11 04:50:45 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: roadmarks: You are really talking out of your ass when you say it's no big deal, or you have no children and no intention of staying with your partner until death do you part. In which case, maybe you really can't understand why marriage is such a big deal, and I really feel sorry for both you and your partner.

All of those could be solved by requiring things like that to be determined by will.

I don't know, I didn't go having kids, then leave that relationship to have a monogamous relationship with someone of a different gender. The more complicated you make your relationships, the more complicated everything is going to be; that's just how life is.

Just so everyone's clear, I support any marriage between adults. Don't care if there are more than two. Don't care if they're incestuous. As long as all parties are consenting adults, so be it. I'm willing to bet that a lot of "equal rights" people aren't willing to go that far.


I love your little assumptions on the issue you know nothing about. No, a lot of those things CAN'T be handled by a will. I CAN'T leave my pension benefits to my wife, though you could. It is against the law via DOMA for me to do so. And no, health-care power of attorney and proxies can, will be and have been broken for non-related adults if someone's family decides to take issue with it, and with the power of homophobia behind it, it's not that hard to get a judge to side with the blood relative over the queer.

As far as your implications as to my wife leaving her boyfriend for me, I'm not that good a seductress I'm afraid. She might have stayed with him and never met me a year later if he hadn't decided to run off with his boyfriend.
2012-05-11 04:41:36 PM
1 votes:

SharkTrager: You know, the DC where the President said he supported the rights of the states to ban gay marriage.

Revisit exactly what he said, and that is there.

"Courageous" my ass.


Yeah, I agree with you. The president is a huge dick on this issue and has been for quite some time. I would absolutely love for someone, especially during one of the debates, to ask him what other civil rights he thinks should be a states issue. Should we have put slavery up to a vote? Or minority rights? Or women's rights? Are those states rights?

You gotta love it, a black president who won't fight for equal protection of a group of citizens under the law. When he was okay with civil unions, he was championing separate but equal. For srsly Obama?
2012-05-11 04:20:13 PM
1 votes:

lennavan: Road Warrior: So Barack Obama was a constitutional rights denying bigot right up until his evolutionary change of heart yesterday?

Interesting.

That is correct. I've felt that way since before he was elected.

I think now would be a good time for the (D)'s in this thread to write to their congresspeople and ask for the Democrat National Convention be moved out of the state.


Disclaimer: I live a mile from uptown Charlotte so I am really liking the fact all of our roads are getting resurfaced and the new restaurants we are getting out of the deal. So I am benefitting directly from the DNC.

The date chosen for the vote on amendment one was a load of horse apples. They did it by design. The President has no primary challenger so automatically you are going to get less democratic turnout and a much higher republican turnout. Those opposed to amendment one got in the game way too late as well. I do not think most of my non-church going neighbors even knew it was coming until a week before the vote. That said I do not feel teh results of the vote accurately reflect the people of this state.

A lot of people in NC are just as horrified that this POS passed as the rest of the country. The state has been swinging left for a long time now. Not all of us are bigoted dirtbags. It is not the time for the dems to abandon the state. It is time for them to fight for it and turn it blue. If my backyard needs to be the battleground for this generations civil rights battle, so be it.
2012-05-11 04:11:09 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: Obviously sexuality is a spectrum of sorts


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"I said "We're all gay, buddy. It's just to what degree are you gay." And he goes, "That's bullshiat, man. I ain't gay at all." And I go "Yeah, you are. And I can prove it." He goes "Fine. Prove it." I go, "All right. Do you like porn?" He says "Yeah, I love porn. You know that." I said, "Oh, and do you only watch scenes with two women?" And he goes, "No, I'll watch a man and a woman makin' love." And I say "Oh, and do you like the guy to have a flabby, half-flaccid penis?" And he goes "No, I like big, hard, throbbing cock..."
"

/Its true
2012-05-11 04:06:29 PM
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: Gulper Eel: SkinnyHead: Beaver1224: "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival." -Chief Justice Warren, Loving v. Virginia

What is it about "marriage" that makes it "fundamental to our very existence and survival?"

It's not marriage that is fundamental, but the right to marriage.

The Loving v. Virginia, the Supreme Court said "Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival." The Supreme Court cited Skinner v. Oklahoma for that point.

In Skinner v. Oklahoma, the Supreme Court said: "Marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race."

The thing about the right of marriage that makes it "fundamental to our very existence and survival," is that marriage is between a man and a woman. Because this fundamental right, which is deemed necessary to "our very existence and survival," is described in terms of "marriage and procreation," it must follow that the fundamental right of marriage (that the Supreme Court declared in Loving) means marriage between man and woman, for that is the only union that can result in natural procreation.


Does it also follow that marriage can be denied to heterosexual couples who are either sterile, too old to procreate, or don't intend to have children?

\faulty logic is faulty
2012-05-11 04:04:42 PM
1 votes:
www.truthwinsout.org
2012-05-11 04:02:12 PM
1 votes:

smeegle: SkinnyHead: means marriage between man and woman, for that is the only union that can result in natural procreation.

People screw outside of wedlock and have kids on a regular basis dimwit, what's your point?


God intended for children to be raised by couples like this.

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2012-05-11 04:01:23 PM
1 votes:

hdhale: /I favor allowing gay people to get married, but this was just silly, the North Carolina law could have been challenged without the one act play


you can't challenge it without the one act play. there is no such thing as contitutional review without a current and actual controversy. that often means getting arrested. you must have legal standing to bring anything before the court. if there was no one act play, this whole issue would have disappeared in 3 sentences bearing the title motion to dismiss for lack of standing
2012-05-11 03:59:12 PM
1 votes:

JDAT: Doesn't look like a same sex marriage.


No doubt you've been mistaken for a man before also.
2012-05-11 03:58:47 PM
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: In Skinner v. Oklahoma, the Supreme Court said: "Marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race."

The thing about the right of marriage that makes it "fundamental to our very existence and survival," is that marriage is between a man and a woman. Because this fundamental right, which is deemed necessary to "our very existence and survival," is described in terms of "marriage and procreation," it must follow that the fundamental right of marriage (that the Supreme Court declared in Loving) means marriage between man and woman, for that is the only union that can result in natural procreation.


I bolded the important word there. Both marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race. That can be interpreted as marriage alone is also fundamental.

Most likely because in the eyes of the law, marriage is seen as something that holds society together... regardless of if you have kids or not.
2012-05-11 03:57:40 PM
1 votes:

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?


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You'd better believe it! We're coming for you! Better run while you can.


Ogre840: No, but the gay mafia is.


Nothing is more powerful than the gay bandidos!
2012-05-11 03:57:13 PM
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: means marriage between man and woman, for that is the only union that can result in natural procreation.


People screw outside of wedlock and have kids on a regular basis dimwit, what's your point?
2012-05-11 03:50:42 PM
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: SkinnyHead: Beaver1224: "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival." -Chief Justice Warren, Loving v. Virginia

What is it about "marriage" that makes it "fundamental to our very existence and survival?"

It's not marriage that is fundamental, but the right to marriage.


The Loving v. Virginia, the Supreme Court said "Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival." The Supreme Court cited Skinner v. Oklahoma for that point.

In Skinner v. Oklahoma, the Supreme Court said: "Marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race."

The thing about the right of marriage that makes it "fundamental to our very existence and survival," is that marriage is between a man and a woman. Because this fundamental right, which is deemed necessary to "our very existence and survival," is described in terms of "marriage and procreation," it must follow that the fundamental right of marriage (that the Supreme Court declared in Loving) means marriage between man and woman, for that is the only union that can result in natural procreation.
2012-05-11 03:40:59 PM
1 votes:
Dear North Carolina,

You suck.
2012-05-11 03:27:27 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: lennavan: Exactly. For farks sake you two can't we just agree these people are more like Martin Luther King Jr and move on?

They're like a retarded, pathetic version of Martin Luther King, Jr.


Hehe yeah.

IAmRight: These people made a special trip at the most attention-getting possible time just so they could capitalize on the coverage.


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IAmRight: looking to become a national attention-getter. These people did.


www.csmonitor.com

IAmRight: This is what annoys me about it. "Hey I'm gonna come in and make you look like a bigot for doing your job!"

"When businesses refused to change their policies, protesters held sit-ins and marches, with the aim of getting arrested. King encouraged these nonviolent tactics"

2012-05-11 03:21:16 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: And the State has the right to pass these laws,


The state doesn't have the right to do anything. It has certain powers that have been granted to it by the people.
2012-05-11 03:20:47 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: If you know what the word AND means, that's precisely what I said in the first place.


This is just getting uncomfortable to watch now. Seriously, take a break. Trust me, we all know that it's never particularly pleasant to acknowledge a mistake, and this can occasionally drive even the best of us to make uncharacteristically convoluted arguments so as to avoid admitting that we were wrong. But really, it's not worth it. Just let it go; you'll thank yourself for it later.
2012-05-11 03:17:30 PM
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: To be fair, setting up camp at the clerk's office and refusing to leave is always going to get you a police escort out of the building at the very least. This feels like a planned move to draw attention to the issue.


So you're saying it's a protest?

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2012-05-11 03:09:29 PM
1 votes:

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?


Short answer: because it's part of "the population" in a country whose core ideals and values are based upon the stated proposition that all are equal.
As equality cannot be equivocated, that means that fundamental rights are unalienable and actions such as NC Amendment 1 undermine those principles we treasure most.

What you are incorrectly interpreting as coddling and pacification is more accurately an expression of everything we stand for as a nation.

That is why it is important.

See - that wasn't so hard. Now that you're properly educated, what - as an American (if you are one) are you going to do to uphold the values that define you as an American (if you are one)?
2012-05-11 03:08:38 PM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: That's the crux of the argument against DOMA (or at least Section 3). Challenges are working their way through the courts.


One of the many reasons the Reps are stalling every Federal Judge they can. In record numbers even.
2012-05-11 02:59:15 PM
1 votes:

CPennypacker: BR549: 12349876: BR549: Blah blah blah......how about the fact that it just ain't natural for same sex people to be "married"?

Blah blah blah.....how about the fact that it's just natural for some people to be "slaves"


WTF ha that got to do with it? And how do you figure that?

Actually, homosexual behavior has been documented in over 100 different species. So if you want to get technical, it is natural


He's that special kind of wrong where his starting premise is wrong but even if it were right the conclusion would still be wrong - I call it "meta-wrong".

"We know that dogs can fly because they have feathers".
2012-05-11 02:53:53 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: Actually, she was still getting on the bus to go home. She didn't go on the bus for the express purpose of calling national media attention to herself. When asked to move, sure, she fought. But these people, who are already married, went in directly after a law was passed and bothered a clerk just to make their point.


You know, if you had just said something like "Gee, I guess I was wrong about Rosa Parks; now that you mention it, she really was looking to make a point", nobody would be giving you any grief for it. We all make mistakes. But doubling down the way you are is just plain stupid.
2012-05-11 02:41:53 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: Stop comparing this to Rosa Parks. FFS, the people in the article are already damn married. Rosa Parks didn't go and get on the bus and refuse to move to make a point. She got on the bus because she was going home. She wasn't seeking a fight - these people are.


Yeah no shiat people. These people peacefully leading a protest just to make a point are not like Rosa Parks at all. They are more like Martin Luther King. Get your civil rights heroes straight, farkwads.

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2012-05-11 02:40:12 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: Stop comparing this to Rosa Parks. FFS, the people in the article are already damn married. Rosa Parks didn't go and get on the bus and refuse to move to make a point. She got on the bus because she was going home. She wasn't seeking a fight - these people are.


Rosa Parks was seeking a fight by refusing to sit on the back of the bus.
2012-05-11 02:37:28 PM
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: To be fair, setting up camp at the clerk's office and refusing to leave is always going to get you a police escort out of the building at the very least. This feels like a planned move to draw attention to the issue.


10/10
2012-05-11 02:36:35 PM
1 votes:

apoptotic: INeedAName: [i361.photobucket.com image 640x480]

They should have had someone proofread that before it went up. Their message of compassion for all is commendable until you get to the line "Christianity for all". I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they meant Christianity for all who want it, but as it's written it's really easy to take that line as undermining the rest of the message.


I completely agree, that was the one part of the sign that turned me off a bit, and I'm a Christian.
2012-05-11 02:35:19 PM
1 votes:
It was already illegal for gays to get married in NC.

This amendment to the state's constitution was supposed to make it harder to repeal the fact that it is already illegal for gays to get married in the future. Because yucky, I guess...

The main problem is how the amendment is worded. This will harm unmarried heterosexual residents of NC far more than it will hurt the LBGT community in NC.

"Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State"
2012-05-11 02:34:41 PM
1 votes:
This is the best infographic I've seen in a while. DAMN I'm happy to live in DC and the portion of the country that isn't ass backwards on this issue.

It's kind of shocking to think that so many states don't even have hate crime laws for LBGT folks. Scary.
2012-05-11 02:32:49 PM
1 votes:

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?


Oh, you mean under 10% of the population? Like black people in the 60s?
2012-05-11 02:31:40 PM
1 votes:

This text is now purple: Antimatter: State Constitutions cannot do things that violate the federal one. If the fed says you have the right to X, then the state cannot say otherwise, and if it does, that statement cannot be enforced as law.

Difficulty, state laws can be more stringent than federal laws.


Provided the state law does not violate the Federal Constitution OR conflict with Federal law in any way. If the state law does conflict with federal law, then the Supremacy Clause applies, and the state law is void.
2012-05-11 02:30:06 PM
1 votes:

Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: I don't buy this for a second. If they weren't raised hearing "homosexuality is a sin" repeatedly and if they weren't repeatedly droning it on then they wouldn't think it. It's not a coincidence that they're religious, it's the cause.

Go to http://www.youtube.com/user/Vote4MarriageNC and check out their "man on the street" videos. EVERY SINGLE ONE starts with "Because this is how God defines marriage" or "because the Bible says".


Now you're being prejudiced. There is no commandment against homosexuality or gay marriage.
The only things against it are ancient priest laws in Leviticus and elsewhere in the Old Testament.
Christ said to honor the 10 Commandments, I'll honor the 2nd one by saying my neighbors, gay or otherwise, should be able to marry as they choose. Hate the misintepretations, not what has been misused.
2012-05-11 02:28:07 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: When you won't leave the officefront of the bus because they won't issue you a licensea white dude is 'spose to sit there.

2012-05-11 02:21:28 PM
1 votes:
I think this law is gay.
2012-05-11 02:18:50 PM
1 votes:

KrustyKitten: qorkfiend: INeedAName: [i361.photobucket.com image 640x480]

More Christians need to be doing things like this.

Is that like asking all illegal aliens to start apologizing for the human smuggling, drug dealing, emergency room clogging illegals?


No, I believe that's called a strawman argument, if I'm not mistaken.
2012-05-11 02:18:20 PM
1 votes:
I guess because the South lost against Slavery in the 19th century, and keeping the Darkies down in the 20th century, they are just aiming to suppress the Gays in the 21st.
2012-05-11 02:18:17 PM
1 votes:

Saiga410: I do enjoy the strawmen they put up there just to knock down and then they thow out that you have a right to marrage, which you don't.


"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival." -Chief Justice Warren, Loving v. Virginia
2012-05-11 02:14:40 PM
1 votes:

Gosling: downstairs: Wow, I had no idea it was being held in North Carolina. WTF was the DNC thinking?

They were aiming for a state that looked tough to win but not totally out of reach.


Part of me thinks that's impossible now with Obama coming out for gay marriage.
2012-05-11 02:13:10 PM
1 votes:

Gosling: downstairs: Wow, I had no idea it was being held in North Carolina. WTF was the DNC thinking?

They were aiming for a state that looked tough to win but not totally out of reach.


Pull it, move it to Minnesota or Nevada
2012-05-11 02:00:44 PM
1 votes:

LegacyDL: I seriously don't understand why people are acting this way? Do same-sex marriages somehow mess up other people's marriages? Do these people get special discounts that hetero couples don't get?


Because gays are icky people who are not on par with the rest of us so they do not deserve the same things.

LegacyDL: And don't even bother bringing up the religious aspect of marriage because if you're using the Old Testament to define marriage congrats you practically want a world where it's Conan The Barbarian vs Genghis Khan.


Gays are so icky that they'll try any argument it takes, religion just happens to be the easiest.
2012-05-11 02:00:40 PM
1 votes:

StrangeQ: QU!RK1019: Guidette Frankentits: kudayta: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws....except for TROLLS

All emphasis mine.

All emphasis mine.

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All enemies mine.

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All bases ours.


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2012-05-11 01:59:42 PM
1 votes:
kudayta:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

All emphasis mine.

Didn't the federal government already deprive them of liberty under DOMA?
2012-05-11 01:58:05 PM
1 votes:

Road Warrior: So Barack Obama was a constitutional rights denying bigot right up until his evolutionary change of heart yesterday?

Interesting.


That is correct. I've felt that way since before he was elected.

I think now would be a good time for the (D)'s in this thread to write to their congresspeople and ask for the Democrat National Convention be moved out of the state.
2012-05-11 01:57:51 PM
1 votes:

QU!RK1019: Guidette Frankentits: kudayta: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws....except for TROLLS

All emphasis mine.

All emphasis mine.

[www.explore-science-fiction-movies.com image 250x148]

All enemies mine.


www.blurofinsanity.com

All bases ours.
2012-05-11 01:57:01 PM
1 votes:
i191.photobucket.com
2012-05-11 01:57:00 PM
1 votes:
DOMA is unconstitutional.
2012-05-11 01:55:10 PM
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: To be fair, setting up camp at the clerk's office and refusing to leave is always going to get you a police escort out of the building at the very least. This feels like a planned move to draw attention to the issue.


Gee, you think? That's exactly what it was, and I commend them for having the guts to do it. this amendment is a travesty form start to finish, and never should have been up for a vote.
2012-05-11 01:54:23 PM
1 votes:

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?


No, but the gay mafia is.
2012-05-11 01:52:34 PM
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: To be fair, setting up camp at the clerk's office and refusing to leave is always going to get you a police escort out of the building at the very least. This feels like a planned move to draw attention to the issue.


You are a bright one aren't you? I bet you were top of your class, the slow class.
2012-05-11 01:52:23 PM
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what_now: L.


F*ck you, elitist.
2012-05-11 01:51:21 PM
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what_now: ha-ha-guy: e

Yes, that's the point.




the point being, that I fail at point and click HTML.
2012-05-11 01:50:45 PM
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ha-ha-guy: e


Yes, that's the point.
2012-05-11 01:48:30 PM
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A hot female cop, handcuffs, and a lesbian? Sounds like the beginning of a wonderful weekend.
2012-05-11 01:47:19 PM
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well hopefully they take it to The Supremes.

rockhall.com
2012-05-11 01:46:44 PM
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Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?


Oh I like your handle
2012-05-11 01:45:23 PM
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Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?
 
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