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2012-05-11 02:18:39 PM  

that was my nickname in highschool: Fight it, homophobes. It's better that way.


You're not helping.
 
2012-05-11 02:18:50 PM  

KrustyKitten: qorkfiend: INeedAName: [i361.photobucket.com image 640x480]

More Christians need to be doing things like this.

Is that like asking all illegal aliens to start apologizing for the human smuggling, drug dealing, emergency room clogging illegals?


No, I believe that's called a strawman argument, if I'm not mistaken.
 
2012-05-11 02:18:51 PM  

Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: Go to http://www.youtube.com/user/Vote4MarriageNC and check out their "man on the street" videos. EVERY SINGLE ONE starts with "Because this is how God defines marriage" or "because the Bible says".


When you want to deny people of something, you have to at least make up a "reason" you believe so.

For example, lots of activists are posting how it's terrible that you can marry your cousin in NC (never mind that you can do it in most of the US and nearly all of the US recognizes those marriages). There's no reason to ban those other than "it's icky". But that doesn't stop them from going "scientific" and claiming that it's wrong because of the increased likelihood of birth defects in potential kids...entirely ignoring the fact that that's a huge part of the argument against them being able to marry.

It's all silly.

And the State has the right to pass these laws, now we wait for it to be stricken down by the Supreme Court, which will make it legal for everyone.

Also, the author of this article sucks for not knowing the difference between capitol and capital.
 
2012-05-11 02:19:06 PM  

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?


I see what you did there.
 
2012-05-11 02:20:09 PM  

Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: lennavan: Gays are so icky that they'll try any argument it takes, religion just happens to be the easiest.

I don't buy this for a second. If they weren't raised hearing "homosexuality is a sin" repeatedly and if they weren't repeatedly droning it on then they wouldn't think it. It's not a coincidence that they're religious, it's the cause.

Go to http://www.youtube.com/user/Vote4MarriageNC and check out their "man on the street" videos. EVERY SINGLE ONE starts with "Because this is how God defines marriage" or "because the Bible says".



I don't buy that for a second. I bet those people that proclaim "this is how God defines marriage" don't actually believe in God.
 
2012-05-11 02:21:03 PM  
Dat Trespass!
 
2012-05-11 02:21:20 PM  

Beaver1224: Saiga410: I do enjoy the strawmen they put up there just to knock down and then they thow out that you have a right to marrage, which you don't.

"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival." -Chief Justice Warren, Loving v. Virginia


I just jizzed my pants at the thought of SCOTUS Justice Elizabeth Warren.
 
2012-05-11 02:21:23 PM  
I don't understand why they were arrested. You go to the clerk and ask for a marriage license application. They give you a piece of paper. You mail in the piece of paper, if it has two female names on it it get rejected. Where does the arrest come in?
 
2012-05-11 02:21:28 PM  
I think this law is gay.
 
2012-05-11 02:22:37 PM  
This has happened before but I can't recall where. I feel sorry for the clerks. They might personally agree with the couples but get complained at anyway.
 
2012-05-11 02:22:44 PM  

lennavan: I don't buy that for a second. I bet those people that proclaim "this is how God defines marriage" don't actually believe in God.


Why would you think that they're being dishonest about their beliefs? All these churches in NC are just facades to support their homosexuality?

And why do they also oppose the teaching of Evolution? Is that just another one of their random biases that just happen to coincide with the religious excuse they chose to use?
 
2012-05-11 02:22:46 PM  

Thisbymaster: I don't understand why they were arrested. You go to the clerk and ask for a marriage license application. They give you a piece of paper. You mail in the piece of paper, if it has two female names on it it get rejected. Where does the arrest come in?


Hehe yeah, I skip all the words underneath the title too. Too wordy, gimme it in one sentence or less.
 
2012-05-11 02:22:47 PM  

Biological Ali: Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?

I see what you did there.


DUde, chill. The Pink Panthers are gonna get you! Make you gay with the gay guns they got!
 
2012-05-11 02:23:02 PM  

Lunaville: This was during the time the state was actually issuing licenses, so I assume the charges were dropped, or they couldn't find anything to charge her with, or something.

How does that not violate the right of that Unitarian minister to exercise her faith per her conscience?


Ask the Rastafarians and the Santerians how accepting the US is of otherwise illegal religious practices.
 
2012-05-11 02:23:22 PM  

Pantubo: I've always said that if you lose a vote, you should go waste cops' time.

It's the progressive, enlightened, adult thing to do.


Cop wasted their own time by going with a criminal justice degree.

buh dum tsh.
 
2012-05-11 02:23:37 PM  

Lunaville: How does that not violate the right of that Unitarian minister to exercise her faith per her conscience? The anti-gay marriage movement is an anti-freedom of religion movement.


"Rights" aren't something that California police spend much time thinking about.
 
2012-05-11 02:24:01 PM  

Thisbymaster: I don't understand why they were arrested. You go to the clerk and ask for a marriage license application. They give you a piece of paper. You mail in the piece of paper, if it has two female names on it it get rejected. Where does the arrest come in?


When you won't leave the office because they won't issue you a license.

Same as if you go and monopolize the desk at ANY public office.
 
2012-05-11 02:24:26 PM  
I think we should at least make the exception for hot lesbians. I think we can find common ground there. We'll work on the rest later.
 
2012-05-11 02:25:03 PM  

Thisbymaster: I don't understand why they were arrested. You go to the clerk and ask for a marriage license application. They give you a piece of paper. You mail in the piece of paper, if it has two female names on it it get rejected. Where does the arrest come in?


I'm having a hard time finding out myself the real story here. I wish these submitted Fark headlines actually came with an article or something to explain in further detail.
 
2012-05-11 02:25:20 PM  

Thisbymaster: I don't understand why they were arrested. You go to the clerk and ask for a marriage license application. They give you a piece of paper. You mail in the piece of paper, if it has two female names on it it get rejected. Where does the arrest come in?


Probably the whole trespassing thing. At least that's my guess.
 
2012-05-11 02:26:14 PM  

wildstarr: This has happened before but I can't recall where. I feel sorry for the clerks. They might personally agree with the couples but get complained at anyway.


This is what annoys me about it. "Hey I'm gonna come in and make you look like a bigot for doing your job!"
 
2012-05-11 02:26:26 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Thisbymaster: I don't understand why they were arrested. You go to the clerk and ask for a marriage license application. They give you a piece of paper. You mail in the piece of paper, if it has two female names on it it get rejected. Where does the arrest come in?

Probably the whole trespassing thing. At least that's my guess.


Plus, there is the whole thing about having the license application filled out in the presence of the clerk. You don't "mail it in" until after it has been solemnized, at least here in CA.
 
2012-05-11 02:26:48 PM  

Carn: I think we should at least make the exception for hot lesbians. I think we can find common ground there. We'll work on the rest later.


What about butter face lesbians?
 
2012-05-11 02:26:49 PM  
The article had a series lack of Guile's Theme, this should fix it : Link
 
2012-05-11 02:28:07 PM  

IAmRight: When you won't leave the officefront of the bus because they won't issue you a licensea white dude is 'spose to sit there.

 
2012-05-11 02:28:14 PM  

Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: Why would you think that they're being dishonest about their beliefs? All these churches in NC are just facades to support their homosexuality?


You are mixing up congregants with churches. The congregants do not believe in God.

Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: And why do they also oppose the teaching of Evolution?


Who is "they?" The Catholic Church does not oppose the teaching of Evolution. Many of the congregants find the idea that they evolved from apes to be icky and thus they oppose teaching that. Kinda like the gays thing.

Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: Is that just another one of their random biases


They aren't random, people use the church to push and promote ideas they find favorable and attack things they find unfavorable. Whenever someone pushes something in the name of religion, you can be pretty farking certain religion has nothing to do with why they are actually pushing it.
 
2012-05-11 02:28:25 PM  

IAmRight: wildstarr: This has happened before but I can't recall where. I feel sorry for the clerks. They might personally agree with the couples but get complained at anyway.

This is what annoys me about it. "Hey I'm gonna come in and make you look like a bigot for doing your job!"


Yes, it's best to just accept being denied equal rights to avoid annoying people like you. It's good to have priorities.
 
2012-05-11 02:30:03 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: Gosling: downstairs: Wow, I had no idea it was being held in North Carolina. WTF was the DNC thinking?

They were aiming for a state that looked tough to win but not totally out of reach.

Pull it, move it to Minnesota or Nevada


Sorry, but please do not. We just had the RNC here, and it did not help them at all. Plus we are now dealing with how to pay for another new sports stadium.

/Gonna do my part to make sure MN stays blue.
 
2012-05-11 02:30:06 PM  

Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: I don't buy this for a second. If they weren't raised hearing "homosexuality is a sin" repeatedly and if they weren't repeatedly droning it on then they wouldn't think it. It's not a coincidence that they're religious, it's the cause.

Go to http://www.youtube.com/user/Vote4MarriageNC and check out their "man on the street" videos. EVERY SINGLE ONE starts with "Because this is how God defines marriage" or "because the Bible says".


Now you're being prejudiced. There is no commandment against homosexuality or gay marriage.
The only things against it are ancient priest laws in Leviticus and elsewhere in the Old Testament.
Christ said to honor the 10 Commandments, I'll honor the 2nd one by saying my neighbors, gay or otherwise, should be able to marry as they choose. Hate the misintepretations, not what has been misused.
 
2012-05-11 02:30:15 PM  

IAmRight: wildstarr: This has happened before but I can't recall where. I feel sorry for the clerks. They might personally agree with the couples but get complained at anyway.

This is what annoys me about it. "Hey I'm gonna come in and make you look like a bigot for doing your job!"


I know. Rosa Parks should have thought about the poor bus driver.
 
2012-05-11 02:30:43 PM  

IAmRight: And the State has the right to pass these laws, now we wait for it to be stricken down by the Supreme Court, which will make it legal for everyone.


Have you met the Supreme Court lately?
 
2012-05-11 02:31:40 PM  

This text is now purple: Antimatter: State Constitutions cannot do things that violate the federal one. If the fed says you have the right to X, then the state cannot say otherwise, and if it does, that statement cannot be enforced as law.

Difficulty, state laws can be more stringent than federal laws.


Provided the state law does not violate the Federal Constitution OR conflict with Federal law in any way. If the state law does conflict with federal law, then the Supremacy Clause applies, and the state law is void.
 
2012-05-11 02:31:53 PM  
Blah blah blah......how about the fact that it just ain't natural for same sex people to be "married"?
 
2012-05-11 02:32:44 PM  

PanicMan: Gosling: downstairs: Wow, I had no idea it was being held in North Carolina. WTF was the DNC thinking?

They were aiming for a state that looked tough to win but not totally out of reach.

Well that ship has sailed.


Well, in terms of "out of reach"... the bigotry of the recent law may just light a fire under the ass of left-leaning, gay-friendly voters.

Still think they should pull out (heh heh, I said "pull out") of NC for the convention.
 
2012-05-11 02:32:49 PM  

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?


Oh, you mean under 10% of the population? Like black people in the 60s?
 
2012-05-11 02:33:10 PM  

BR549: Blah blah blah......how about the fact that it just ain't natural for same sex people of different races to be "married"?

 
2012-05-11 02:33:55 PM  

BR549: Blah blah blah......how about the fact that it just ain't natural for same sex people to be "married"?


Blah blah blah.....how about the fact that it's just natural for some people to be "slaves"
 
2012-05-11 02:34:24 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: BR549: Blah blah blah......how about the fact that it just ain't natural for same sex people of different races anyone to be "married"?


It's a contract. I don't see contracts growing on trees.
 
2012-05-11 02:34:41 PM  
This is the best infographic I've seen in a while. DAMN I'm happy to live in DC and the portion of the country that isn't ass backwards on this issue.

It's kind of shocking to think that so many states don't even have hate crime laws for LBGT folks. Scary.
 
2012-05-11 02:35:19 PM  
It was already illegal for gays to get married in NC.

This amendment to the state's constitution was supposed to make it harder to repeal the fact that it is already illegal for gays to get married in the future. Because yucky, I guess...

The main problem is how the amendment is worded. This will harm unmarried heterosexual residents of NC far more than it will hurt the LBGT community in NC.

"Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State"
 
2012-05-11 02:36:35 PM  

apoptotic: INeedAName: [i361.photobucket.com image 640x480]

They should have had someone proofread that before it went up. Their message of compassion for all is commendable until you get to the line "Christianity for all". I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they meant Christianity for all who want it, but as it's written it's really easy to take that line as undermining the rest of the message.


I completely agree, that was the one part of the sign that turned me off a bit, and I'm a Christian.
 
2012-05-11 02:36:43 PM  
"Put simply, it's not legal for states to take your constitutional rights away, nor is it legal to arrest people for politely asking to be treated as equal citizens under the US Constitution."

The problem is that it is based not on an attribute of the person, but the behavior.
One day, they are gay, and someones activity against them is illegal.

The next day, they change their mind and bang the opposite sex again. Now, the exact same activity someone else has done against them, is now legal?


Not that it means a gay man shouldn't be 100% allowed to have a spouse that will
say vile things about their mother and family. Why should straight men have all the fun?
 
2012-05-11 02:37:28 PM  

ha-ha-guy: To be fair, setting up camp at the clerk's office and refusing to leave is always going to get you a police escort out of the building at the very least. This feels like a planned move to draw attention to the issue.


10/10
 
2012-05-11 02:38:28 PM  

SueDisco: This is the best infographic I've seen in a while.


That's a kick ass infographic
 
2012-05-11 02:39:01 PM  

12349876: I know. Rosa Parks should have thought about the poor bus driver.


Stop comparing this to Rosa Parks. FFS, the people in the article are already damn married. Rosa Parks didn't go and get on the bus and refuse to move to make a point. She got on the bus because she was going home. She wasn't seeking a fight - these people are.

Gosling: Have you met the Supreme Court lately?


Pretty tough for even them to ignore the precedent. Also, it will take a while to get there.

/it's funny that people care so much about this issue as heterosexual couples are ceasing to marry because there's no damn reason to get married.
 
2012-05-11 02:40:12 PM  

IAmRight: Stop comparing this to Rosa Parks. FFS, the people in the article are already damn married. Rosa Parks didn't go and get on the bus and refuse to move to make a point. She got on the bus because she was going home. She wasn't seeking a fight - these people are.


Rosa Parks was seeking a fight by refusing to sit on the back of the bus.
 
2012-05-11 02:40:37 PM  

IAmRight: Rosa Parks didn't go and get on the bus and refuse to move to make a point


Actually she did. Seriously read your history. A direct quote from her. "People always say that I didn't give up my seat because I was tired, but that isn't true. I was not tired physically, or no more tired than I usually was at the end of a working day. I was not old, although some people have an image of me as being old then. I was forty-two. No, the only tired I was, was tired of giving in."
 
2012-05-11 02:40:57 PM  

IAmRight: wildstarr: This has happened before but I can't recall where. I feel sorry for the clerks. They might personally agree with the couples but get complained at anyway.

This is what annoys me about it. "Hey I'm gonna come in and make you look like a bigot for doing your job!"


Well, if you apply the logic used in the health insurance debate - that anyone who doesn't have insurance through their job should just get a better job, then it's more like "Hey, your job makes you look like a bigot! If you didn't want to be a bigot, you would just leave it for another job that didn't make you look like a homophobe!"
 
2012-05-11 02:41:53 PM  

IAmRight: Stop comparing this to Rosa Parks. FFS, the people in the article are already damn married. Rosa Parks didn't go and get on the bus and refuse to move to make a point. She got on the bus because she was going home. She wasn't seeking a fight - these people are.


Yeah no shiat people. These people peacefully leading a protest just to make a point are not like Rosa Parks at all. They are more like Martin Luther King. Get your civil rights heroes straight, farkwads.

www.nobelprize.org
 
2012-05-11 02:42:02 PM  
I actually do not think we need to legalize gay marriage. What we need to do is extricate this religious ceremony from our civil process for joining two individuals in the eyes of the state. It is absolutly bonkers that we still use this outmoded ritual to serve as the core mechanic by which our government deliniates its citizens into single and couple catagories (an improtatint distiction for all sorts of civil rights and responsabilities).

Let the religious institutions have complete control over who is "married" in thier congregation, "marriage" being soley a joining of two people within their religious community and not in any way a civil contract - a civil contract should be something handled by the state alone and therefore not an acceptable avenue for discrimination.

I think that religions have the right to restrict access to their proprietary intitutions (even if they act like bigoted aholes as they do it) - I do NOT they have the right to restict access to a civil institution that should be available to any two consenting citizens.

It seems to me the most appropiate and lawful way to handle this is to split the institution of marriage from the institution of civil partnership and make them entirely exclusive from one another - one for your respective religious group and one for the state.
 
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