LegacyDL: I seriously don't understand why people are acting this way? Do same-sex marriages somehow mess up other people's marriages? Do these people get special discounts that hetero couples don't get?

Because gays are icky people who are not on par with the rest of us so they do not deserve the same things.

LegacyDL: And don't even bother bringing up the religious aspect of marriage because if you're using the Old Testament to define marriage congrats you practically want a world where it's Conan The Barbarian vs Genghis Khan.

Gays are so icky that they'll try any argument it takes, religion just happens to be the easiest.

dv-ous: DOMA is unconstitutional.

That's still being determined.

lennavan: Road Warrior: So Barack Obama was a constitutional rights denying bigot right up until his evolutionary change of heart yesterday?

Interesting.

That is correct. I've felt that way since before he was elected.

I think now would be a good time for the (D)'s in this thread to write to their congresspeople and ask for the Democrat National Convention be moved out of the state.

We've already done so. There is already a campaign going on to get it relocated.
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QU!RK1019: Guidette Frankentits: kudayta: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws....except for TROLLS

All emphasis mine.

All emphasis mine.



All enemies mine.

You and your silly mickey mouse!

Road Warrior: So Barack Obama was a constitutional rights denying bigot right up until his evolutionary change of heart yesterday?

Interesting.

That's correct

Still far better than anything the GOP can muster these days. How's that for interesting?

Interesting how for 40 years, I've spent summer vacation in NC, spending last summer a few thousand dollars of my own on the local economy.
You're loss for the rest of my life, NC.
I'll be spending it elsewhere.
I'm probably not the richest or only tourist you'll lose over this, too,
and I'm not going to tirade and call you a bunch of inbred, hillbilly, white trash, rascist, tarrheeled, uneducasted, ignorant, assholes. I don't have to. You do that quite nicely every time you open your toothless, drawling, boiled peanut eating, cottonpickin' yaps.

Saiga410: I do enjoy the strawmen they put up there just to knock down and then they thow out that you have a right to marrage, which you don't.

I do applaud the protestors use of civil disobedience and I hope they get their way.

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State. Loving V. Virginia 1967

The Only Jeff: kudayta:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

All emphasis mine.

Didn't the federal government already deprive them of liberty under DOMA?

That's the crux of the argument against DOMA (or at least Section 3). Challenges are working their way through the courts.

Crazy plan:

Step 1. Find state that has laws against gay and lesbian marriage.

Step 2. Find incredibly hot lesbian couple

Step 3. Have news crews film them trying to get license in said state

Step 4. Regardless of outcome, have hot lesbian couple make out in front of cameras.

Step 5. fark, who cares? We got hot girls making out with each other on TV. WIN-WIN situation!

Saiga410: I do enjoy the strawmen they put up there just to knock down and then they thow out that you have a right to marrage, which you don't.

I do applaud the protestors use of civil disobedience and I hope they get their way.

Is it really a strawman since SCOTUS has already ruled that marriage is a fundamental right?

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

I can imagine someone in 1932 Germany asking that very same question about Jewish people.

Saiga410: I do enjoy the strawmen they put up there just to knock down and then they thow out that you have a right to marrage, which you don't.

I do applaud the protestors use of civil disobedience and I hope they get their way.

"Marriage is a fundamental right necessary to our continued existence." - The Supreme Court (para.)

Tommy Moo: As a proponent of marriage equality, I have to admit the author of this article bites off a little more than he can chew.

"Whether you are in favor of the amendment that passed earlier this week in North Carolina or against it, the fact remains that it is an illegal, unconstitutional amendment."

How can a constitutional amendment be unconstitutional or illegal? This act defines what the law is. You are free to have the opinion (which I share) that this is an unjust law, but this issue calls for a moral argument, not a legal one. If you mean to suggest that this is unconstitutional because the federal Constitution has jurisdiction over marriage law, not states, then again, this is a perfectly legitimate opinion. But the word "marriage" is not in the federal constitution. If it says anything on the matter, it would be the 10th Amendment, which cedes everything not mentioned explicitly back to the states.

"Put simply, it's not legal for states to take your constitutional rights away, nor is it legal to arrest people for politely asking to be treated as equal citizens under the US Constitution."

These people were arrested for trespassing, not politely asking for a marriage license. They made their statement when they went in and asked for the license. They stayed because they wanted to be arrested so the story would get news coverage. I applaud the fact that they are serious about this cause, but details like this are important. If gay people were actually being arrested for the crime of walking into a court house and requesting a marriage license, I would be much more up in arms about this.

Just chill. In ten years all these conservative old assholes will die and take their ideas with them. No one born after 1970 gives a crap about gay or straight anything. Just do what makes you happy and don't hurt people.

Amendments to state constitutions can be overturned on the basis of being federally unconstitutional; that's what happened with California's Prop 8.

FTA"I just want to point out that we're married in the District of Colombia, our nation's capitol."

Full faith and credit clause - how does it work?

Tommy Moo: How can a constitutional amendment be unconstitutional or illegal? This act defines what the law is. You are free to have the opinion (which I share) that this is an unjust law, but this issue calls for a moral argument, not a legal one. If you mean to suggest that this is unconstitutional because the federal Constitution has jurisdiction over marriage law, not states, then again, this is a perfectly legitimate opinion. But the word "marriage" is not in the federal constitution. If it says anything on the matter, it would be the 10th Amendment, which cedes everything not mentioned explicitly back to the states.

State Constitutions cannot do things that violate the federal one. If the fed says you have the right to X, then the state cannot say otherwise, and if it does, that statement cannot be enforced as law.

So if the fed says you have the right to equal protection under law, the state can't say 'no you don't'. some argue that this covers marriage, as the state doesn't have a good reason to deny it to couple XX, but allow it for couple XY. The only reason given for such a ban is religious, and under the 1st, and the 14th (I think), that's unconstitutional as well.

QU!RK1019: Guidette Frankentits: kudayta: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws....except for TROLLS

All emphasis mine.

All emphasis mine.

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All enemies mine.

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More Christians need to be doing things like this.

The Donald, or The Donna?

I've always said that if you lose a vote, you should go waste cops' time.

It's the progressive, enlightened, adult thing to do.

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Mawwage is what bwings us togothhr toooday!

Probably_From_Texas: Why is it so important to coddle and pacify such a small portion of the population?

Is the LBGT lobby really that powerful?

This is true, we must spend more time coddling the White Christian Straight Male demographic.


Not.

lennavan: Gays are so icky that they'll try any argument it takes, religion just happens to be the easiest.

I don't buy this for a second. If they weren't raised hearing "homosexuality is a sin" repeatedly and if they weren't repeatedly droning it on then they wouldn't think it. It's not a coincidence that they're religious, it's the cause.

Go to http://www.youtube.com/user/Vote4MarriageNC and check out their "man on the street" videos. EVERY SINGLE ONE starts with "Because this is how God defines marriage" or "because the Bible says".

LegacyDL: I seriously don't understand why people are acting this way? Do same-sex marriages somehow mess up other people's marriages? Do these people get special discounts that hetero couples don't get?

Homosexuals love children because they are naturally incapable of having their own. Homosexuals want to turn all children gay which will make them hate their heterosexual parents. Why do you want to destroy heterosexual families?

(or so I hear)

downstairs: Wow, I had no idea it was being held in North Carolina. WTF was the DNC thinking?

They were aiming for a state that looked tough to win but not totally out of reach.

Pantubo: I've always said that if you lose a vote, you should go waste cops' time.

It's the progressive, enlightened, adult thing to do.

It shouldn't be up for a vote at all. It should simply be.

Trust me on this: the marriage thing is not something you want to be fighting for. It's a trap. Run like the wind!

fnordfocus: Tommy Moo: These people were arrested for trespassing, not politely asking for a marriage license. They made their statement when they went in and asked for the license. They stayed because they wanted to be arrested so the story would get news coverage. I applaud the fact that they are serious about this cause, but details like this are important. If gay people were actually being arrested for the crime of walking into a court house and requesting a marriage license, I would be much more up in arms about this.

It's worth noting that Kern County (CA) Deputies arrested a Unitarian minister for solemnizing a same-sex marriage in California.

This was during the time the state was actually issuing licenses, so I assume the charges were dropped, or they couldn't find anything to charge her with, or something.

How does that not violate the right of that Unitarian minister to exercise her faith per her conscience? The anti-gay marriage movement is an anti-freedom of religion movement.

Pantubo


I've always said that if you lose a vote, you should go waste cops' time.

It's the progressive, enlightened, adult thing to do.

"Good answer, Citizen. Thank you for your conformity."

Gosling: downstairs: Wow, I had no idea it was being held in North Carolina. WTF was the DNC thinking?

They were aiming for a state that looked tough to win but not totally out of reach.

Pull it, move it to Minnesota or Nevada

roadmarks: lennavan: Road Warrior: So Barack Obama was a constitutional rights denying bigot right up until his evolutionary change of heart yesterday?

Interesting.

That is correct. I've felt that way since before he was elected.

I think now would be a good time for the (D)'s in this thread to write to their congresspeople and ask for the Democrat National Convention be moved out of the state.

We've already done so. There is already a campaign going on to get it relocated.
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Sweet thanks. I wrote to my congress people anyway. Dick Durbin likes hearing from me.

Gosling: downstairs: Wow, I had no idea it was being held in North Carolina. WTF was the DNC thinking?

They were aiming for a state that looked tough to win but not totally out of reach.

Part of me thinks that's impossible now with Obama coming out for gay marriage.

Guidette Frankentits: Gosling: downstairs: Wow, I had no idea it was being held in North Carolina. WTF was the DNC thinking?

They were aiming for a state that looked tough to win but not totally out of reach.

Pull it, move it to Minnesota or Nevada

Or keep it there and schedule mass acts of civil disobedience like this one.

Pantubo: I've always said that if you lose a vote, you should go waste cops' time.

It's the progressive, enlightened, adult thing to do.

I've always thought civil rights should be left up to the voters. Would have saved us the entire civil war!

It's the progressive, enlightened, adult thing to do.

Gosling: downstairs: Wow, I had no idea it was being held in North Carolina. WTF was the DNC thinking?

They were aiming for a state that looked tough to win but not totally out of reach.

Well that ship has sailed.

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They should have had someone proofread that before it went up. Their message of compassion for all is commendable until you get to the line "Christianity for all". I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they meant Christianity for all who want it, but as it's written it's really easy to take that line as undermining the rest of the message.

Bravo ladies.

Mrtraveler01: Part of me thinks that's impossible now with Obama coming out for gay marriage.

Except most of the bigots weren't going to vote for him anyway. And it's not likely black bigots will vote for Romney over him because of this issue. It remains to be seen whether it will help or hurt Obama in NC.

qorkfiend: INeedAName: [i361.photobucket.com image 640x480]

More Christians need to be doing things like this.

Is that like asking all illegal aliens to start apologizing for the human smuggling, drug dealing, emergency room clogging illegals?

Pantubo: I've always said that if you lose a vote, you should go waste cops' time.

It's the progressive, enlightened, adult thing to do.

I guess because the South lost against Slavery in the 19th century, and keeping the Darkies down in the 20th century, they are just aiming to suppress the Gays in the 21st.

Antimatter: State Constitutions cannot do things that violate the federal one. If the fed says you have the right to X, then the state cannot say otherwise, and if it does, that statement cannot be enforced as law.

Difficulty, state laws can be more stringent than federal laws.