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2012-05-11 01:10:48 PM  
Nigel Seladu warned me about these scams.
 
2012-05-11 01:42:05 PM  
Bravo!
 
2012-05-11 01:42:33 PM  
Is this the thread where I schlob all your knobs in a pathetic attempt to get sponsored?

...

*slurping noises*
 
2012-05-11 01:43:49 PM  
What, ANOTHER thread on facebook? We just had one!
 
2012-05-11 01:44:59 PM  
Are you kidding subby? TotalFarkers have it all!

img138.imageshack.us
 
2012-05-11 01:46:36 PM  
dumbasses. all they need to do is place tiny classified ads.
 
2012-05-11 01:49:14 PM  

D_Evans45: Are you kidding subby? TotalFarkers have it all!

[img138.imageshack.us image 400x300]


As a liter you can't submit advice threads (or if you do it will got to the wrong tab and you won't be able to see it). That alone makes TF worth it.
 
2012-05-11 01:52:16 PM  

here to help: D_Evans45: Are you kidding subby? TotalFarkers have it all!

[img138.imageshack.us image 400x300]

As a liter you can't submit advice threads (or if you do it will got to the wrong tab and you won't be able to see it). That alone makes TF worth it.


You post in the /b/ area of 4chan for relationship advice too I bet.
 
2012-05-11 01:53:36 PM  
A few years ago an old school mate who was unemployed asked me about a couple of these online "get rich quick" things. I told her to get a real job and forget about them as most, if not all were just scams. A few months later I started getting emails where she was trying to solicit me into jumping into one of them. I simply put a block on her emails and that was that.
 
2012-05-11 01:56:07 PM  
Have people forgotten "If it seems to good to be true it probably is"
 
2012-05-11 01:57:04 PM  
Simple rigors of logic: if they were so amazing at generating leads why are the spamming a dozen spots on the radio?
 
2012-05-11 01:57:57 PM  

hdhale: You post in the /b/ area of 4chan for relationship advice too I bet.


Have you ever been on TFD? I learned a SH*TLOAD of computer stuff posting there amongst other things.

I wouldn't touch /b/ with YOUR ten foot pole.
 
2012-05-11 02:02:35 PM  
The BEST part? Instead of FRIENDS you'll have CONTACTS!

/wearing Roy Cohn's tux
/on a yacht that smells like cat pee
/don't ask about the "women"
 
2012-05-11 02:02:42 PM  

groppet: Have people forgotten "If it seems to good to be true it probably is"


i830.photobucket.com

Agrees wholeheartedly.
 
2012-05-11 02:04:07 PM  
As long as you learned your sh*tload of computer stuff, then,
 
2012-05-11 02:05:49 PM  

Salmon: As long as you learned your sh*tload of computer stuff, then,


Suck it, liter!
 
2012-05-11 02:10:14 PM  
I guess the first thing to think is

Is the company, the big cheese, the high faluting grand poomba of the dire straits of Florida, going to be sending the profit check directly to your mail box based on the total business volume each product generated for the month from that person

(which can be how a business pays out commissions, depending on what random brick and mortar small business such as a payroll company does for commissions).

Or is it going to filter down from Yahoo Jackass of 123 WTF lane. If Jackass is doing it, back away.

If the company is doing it. See if you can make a profit selling products.

What the hells going to hurt if 30 days later you call them and say I want my money back on the samples and the business # I got through you all, and they give it back.

Assuming the company has a money back guarantee.

Oddly enough, Amway and a couple others deliver. Customer side, I've gotten my full retail amount back 2 months down the road for things.

Also oddly enough, my father owner of a payroll company can confirm that a Business license costs more than 200. Yet legally the 200 spent through Amway for example, is legit.
 
2012-05-11 02:10:19 PM  

here to help: D_Evans45: ...

As a liter you can't submit advice threads (or if you do it will got to the wrong tab and you won't be able to see it). That alone makes TF worth it.



Not really. I could get free advice anywhere, from family members to Yahoo Answers, and everywhere in between. I don't consider being able to submit an advice thread much of a plus at all.TotalFark discussions as a whole isn't much better than an AOL Teen Chat room either. In the last little TF drive thread, I had a bunch of current TotalFarkers agreeing with the same sentiments.
 
2012-05-11 02:12:11 PM  
 
2012-05-11 02:12:12 PM  
Sometimes costs more I should say. People have lucked out on cheaper business licenses before.

Also, I came in saying Amway because I've been getting irritated about other things, and just randomly rolled with it.

So send me alcohol or something so I can curl up and sleep so you won't have to see me typing again today.
 
2012-05-11 02:12:36 PM  

grinding_journalist: groppet: Have people forgotten "If it seems to good to be true it probably is"


Probably is true? Oh boy! ...
 
2012-05-11 02:14:47 PM  
I'll tell you one weird rule for avoiding internet scams, if you just send me $9.95
 
2012-05-11 02:15:43 PM  

here to help: Have you ever been on TFD? I learned a SH*TLOAD of computer stuff posting there amongst other things.



Tech/geek stuff would be the only possible plus. The rest of TFD was juvenile, attention whorish, super bored people threads, generally stuff that I could live without paying for.

Actual threads you will see everyday in TFD

"Subby can't find his brown shoes. What color loafers go with tan socks?"
"Subette's daughter turned 15 today! What did you get your kid for his/her birthday?"
"Kanye West is this generations Frank Sinatra. Discuss"
"Check out Subbys awesome hand blown glass products!"

If you are reaaally bored a lot, that might be worth $5. I could get that kind of socialization a million other places on the net, without so much bored Farker gibberish.
 
2012-05-11 02:15:50 PM  
I am sure they pose as long-lost friends on social networks.
 
2012-05-11 02:15:56 PM  

D_Evans45: here to help: D_Evans45: ...

As a liter you can't submit advice threads (or if you do it will got to the wrong tab and you won't be able to see it). That alone makes TF worth it.


Not really. I could get free advice anywhere, from family members to Yahoo Answers, and everywhere in between. I don't consider being able to submit an advice thread much of a plus at all.TotalFark discussions as a whole isn't much better than an AOL Teen Chat room either. In the last little TF drive thread, I had a bunch of current TotalFarkers agreeing with the same sentiments.


Meh. It's all in how you use it. If you just hang out in the CJ's all day it's pretty lame but there's usually at least one interesting topic that pops up every hour or so.

The other thing I found it good for was finding new shows and movies to watch. Because I watch everything online I don't have the idiot box letting me know what's out. TFer's are always yammering about that kind of thing and tend have decent tastes.
 
2012-05-11 02:16:31 PM  
Why would you link to Cory farking Doctorow, the most useless appendage the internet ever grew, instead of the actual article?

Scamworld: 'Get rich quick' schemes mutate into an online monster

Seriously, Cory, "derp its kinda long and stuff"? What are you, 12?
 
2012-05-11 02:24:44 PM  
Hey, this looks like a good thread to ask this in. Anyone have any knowledge of Isagenix? I know a guy who is in it, and I think it's a scam, but I can't prove it.
 
2012-05-11 02:33:55 PM  

willfullyobscure: Why would you link to Cory farking Doctorow, the most useless appendage the internet ever grew, instead of the actual article?

Scamworld: 'Get rich quick' schemes mutate into an online monster

Seriously, Cory, "derp its kinda long and stuff"? What are you, 12?


Jeez calm down. Not everyone on Fark today was reading Metafilter yesterday.
 
2012-05-11 02:51:09 PM  

here to help: hdhale: You post in the /b/ area of 4chan for relationship advice too I bet.

Have you ever been on TFD? I learned a SH*TLOAD of computer stuff posting there amongst other things.

I wouldn't touch /b/ with YOUR ten foot pole.


As others have indicated, there's plenty of free sites to go to and find free advice. If you find enough value in it to keep paying, then good for you.

I look at /b/ as the anus of Internet. You ram a thermometer up there and you get a good read on what the underbelly of the Internet is up to these days. Actually, it's sort of mellowed with time, an indication that the crowd that frequents the place is getting older and more mature or that the kids are a bit more worried about the Feds knocking on their mom's door 5 minutes after posting a gore/Nazis/CP thread. Probably both.

/actually I wonder if the really hairy stuff has simply moved off to another site :shutter:
 
2012-05-11 02:53:38 PM  

bim1154: A few years ago an old school mate who was unemployed asked me about a couple of these online "get rich quick" things. I told her to get a real job and forget about them as most, if not all were just scams. A few months later I started getting emails where she was trying to solicit me into jumping into one of them. I simply put a block on her emails and that was that.


I knew a girl who had traditional but understanding parents. When she decided to go Wiccan, they supported her. When she came out of the closet, they said it didn't matter. When she invited them to a "dreambuilding workshop" to earn money working from home, they ceased all contact with her.
 
2012-05-11 02:54:50 PM  

D_Evans45: Are you kidding subby? TotalFarkers have it all!

[img138.imageshack.us image 400x300]


You're missing a step. If you pay $5/mo you get to help bake the cookies.
 
2012-05-11 03:00:07 PM  

TheAlgebraist: Hey, this looks like a good thread to ask this in. Anyone have any knowledge of Isagenix? I know a guy who is in it, and I think it's a scam, but I can't prove it.


It's totally legit. I think you should invest your life's saving in it.. as a matter of fact you should take out a big a loan as possible and invest that with them also.
 
2012-05-11 03:03:52 PM  

hdhale: I look at /b/ as the anus of Internet. You ram a thermometer up there and you get a good read on what the underbelly of the Internet is up to these days. Actually, it's sort of mellowed with time, an indication that the crowd that frequents the place is getting older and more mature or that the kids are a bit more worried about the Feds knocking on their mom's door 5 minutes after posting a gore/Nazis/CP thread. Probably both.

/actually I wonder if the really hairy stuff has simply moved off to another site :shutter:


You can just go to the 4chan subreddit to see anything funny from /b/ without the risk of getting illegal content on your hard drive. Still NSFW, though.
 
2012-05-11 03:04:04 PM  

TheAlgebraist: Hey, this looks like a good thread to ask this in. Anyone have any knowledge of Isagenix? I know a guy who is in it, and I think it's a scam, but I can't prove it.


I'll save you $5/month:

http://healthfraudoz.blogspot.com/2006/11/critique-of-isagenix.html

/if you were kidding, then ya you got me
 
2012-05-11 03:04:51 PM  

hdhale: As others have indicated, there's plenty of free sites to go to and find free advice. If you find enough value in it to keep paying, then good for you.


Fark tends to have more of a broad knowledge base because of the diversity of it's users. Also you usually get some replies immediately as opposed to other places that move super slow. I'd imagine reddit is pretty good too but the interface bugs the hell out of me and it's so convoluted and filled with white noise I doubt it would be as pointed and useful as Fark... and those guys are super anal about their little rules and sh*t. Usually I just scour google these days to find what I'm looking for but it's all over the damned place so if I signed up to all the different forums and sites I view that way I'd have hundreds of accounts that don't get used.

And I've only paid for TF a couple times because I'm a broke ass mofo but when I'm there I get quite a bit of value out of it.

Whatevs. Just my opinion. The liters are way too angry and hateful towards TF. It's weird.
 
2012-05-11 03:11:44 PM  

hdhale: TheAlgebraist: Hey, this looks like a good thread to ask this in. Anyone have any knowledge of Isagenix? I know a guy who is in it, and I think it's a scam, but I can't prove it.

I'll save you $5/month:

http://healthfraudoz.blogspot.com/2006/11/critique-of-isagenix.html

/if you were kidding, then ya you got me


No, not kidding. I hadn't read that post about Isagenix, but the trainwreck of comments below it is exactly what I'd expect (usual mix of sock puppets shilling the company).

I'm more interested in an explanation of the business side rather than the medical side. I want to know just how much money people end up pissing away on it.
 
2012-05-11 03:12:59 PM  
Who would be stupid enough to pay $5 a month for something that--

goddammit
 
2012-05-11 03:22:21 PM  

TheAlgebraist: Hey, this looks like a good thread to ask this in. Anyone have any knowledge of Isagenix? I know a guy who is in it, and I think it's a scam, but I can't prove it.


Link

Seriously, dude. 5 seconds of googling. "Isagenix scam" Don't be lazy.
 
2012-05-11 03:28:50 PM  
That contained as many "you know"s as a Jim Rome interview.
 
2012-05-11 03:30:11 PM  

Honest Bender: TheAlgebraist: Hey, this looks like a good thread to ask this in. Anyone have any knowledge of Isagenix? I know a guy who is in it, and I think it's a scam, but I can't prove it.

Link

Seriously, dude. 5 seconds of googling. "Isagenix scam" Don't be lazy.


You have to be kidding me, right? That's a video (which I've seen), by a guy who is obviously trying to sucker people in to spending more money on the product.

Go look at the titles of that guy's other 25 videos.
 
2012-05-11 03:31:23 PM  
To add to that post, if there's one thing TFA makes clear, it's that all you're likely to find by googling " scam?" is the outpouring of the scammer's echo chamber.
 
2012-05-11 03:32:31 PM  

TheAlgebraist: by a guy who is obviously trying to sucker people in to spending more money on the product.


...Watch the video again and pay attention this time. It tells you all you need to know about the company. It's a pyramid scheme.
 
2012-05-11 03:37:27 PM  

Honest Bender: TheAlgebraist: by a guy who is obviously trying to sucker people in to spending more money on the product.

...Watch the video again and pay attention this time. It tells you all you need to know about the company. It's a pyramid scheme.


Yeah, I know it's a pyramid scheme.

I should have been a bit clearer with my Boobies. What I'm looking for is some hard numbers from people who have been ripped off (i.e. how much they were spending each month), so that I can pass that on to my friend.

The problem with proving that a scam is a scam is that the scammed will almost always ignore the evidence, because there's so much fud out there confusing the issue.

Did you see the blog post that someone else linked to upthread? The comments are a total trainwreck, the worst being a guy that replies "Thanks for showing us that Isagenix doesn't work, as a registered hypnotherapist, I know that only thing that causes weight loss is a subconscious mental desire to lose weight."

I hate people.
 
2012-05-11 03:42:34 PM  

TheAlgebraist: I should have been a bit clearer with my Boobies.


Heh. Sweetles.

That said, if their product was worth a damn and they weren't a scam, they'd be sold in traditional retail outlets. It sucks that your friend is a sucker. And I totally understand your desire to get some hard anecdotes to help your buddy see the light.

But if a person doesn't have the brains to see this company is a scam after >5 minutes of research, then I'm not sure they can be saved. If it's not this scam, it'll be some other scam next week.
 
2012-05-11 03:44:40 PM  
Damn, it's not often I get scammed by the filter like that.
 
2012-05-11 03:48:01 PM  

I want your skull: hdhale: I look at /b/ as the anus of Internet. You ram a thermometer up there and you get a good read on what the underbelly of the Internet is up to these days. Actually, it's sort of mellowed with time, an indication that the crowd that frequents the place is getting older and more mature or that the kids are a bit more worried about the Feds knocking on their mom's door 5 minutes after posting a gore/Nazis/CP thread. Probably both.

/actually I wonder if the really hairy stuff has simply moved off to another site :shutter:

You can just go to the 4chan subreddit to see anything funny from /b/ without the risk of getting illegal content on your hard drive. Still NSFW, though.


I don't go to 4chan enough to be all that concerned, but the day the Feds show up on people's doorstep to bust them for CP because of a few thumbnails of images from a web site is the day I don't particularly want to live in this country anymore. We'll surpassed anything done by Joseph McCarthy or the Salem Witch Trials at that point.
 
2012-05-11 03:57:32 PM  
TheAlgebraist
I should have been a bit clearer with my Boobies


I think the world would be better if everyone were clearer with theirs. Good or bad, male or female. Boobies across america.

*looks at decongestants* yeah I know. get to sleep.
 
2012-05-11 04:33:02 PM  

TheAlgebraist: Honest Bender: TheAlgebraist: by a guy who is obviously trying to sucker people in to spending more money on the product.

...Watch the video again and pay attention this time. It tells you all you need to know about the company. It's a pyramid scheme.

Yeah, I know it's a pyramid scheme.

I should have been a bit clearer with my Boobies. What I'm looking for is some hard numbers from people who have been ripped off (i.e. how much they were spending each month), so that I can pass that on to my friend.

The problem with proving that a scam is a scam is that the scammed will almost always ignore the evidence, because there's so much fud out there confusing the issue.

Did you see the blog post that someone else linked to upthread? The comments are a total trainwreck, the worst being a guy that replies "Thanks for showing us that Isagenix doesn't work, as a registered hypnotherapist, I know that only thing that causes weight loss is a subconscious mental desire to lose weight."

I hate people.


There's a fundamental problem with your attempts here. The axiom in question is:

"You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."

Nothing you will say will work if he's convinced evidence to the contrary doesn't prove anything. If he's convinced that recruiting people to be his own competition is a sound business model, then no numbers will convince him otherwise.

Sorry to give you the bad news.
 
2012-05-11 04:54:48 PM  

hdhale: I don't go to 4chan enough to be all that concerned, but the day the Feds show up on people's doorstep to bust them for CP because of a few thumbnails of images from a web site is the day I don't particularly want to live in this country anymore.



Well, the images from the web site ARE child pornography. Why the hell would you even be hanging around on a site where pedos might be posting child porn to begin with?
 
2012-05-11 04:55:58 PM  
Hi, I'm Dave Rhodes, and I'm in jail...
 
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