SoCalChris: [img18.imageshack.us image 356x367]

Man she looks like Jennifer Petkov in that.
Quick, side by side.

LincolnLogolas: Nexzus: Our 7 month old and us were vaccinated just over a month ago up here in Vancouver, BC. Even if you're a hippy, I can't imagine any parent wanting to watch their baby cough and cough and cough. Ours actually just went through his first (mild) cough and cold, and it was heartbreaking.

Wait until Croup. That one was horrible. My daughter was about 18mo when she had it, wound up taking her to the hospital. The problem with the anti-vaccers is that they create a public health problem. The vaccine is not 100% effective, thus any unvaccinated kids run a risk of giving pertussis to vaccinated kids.

Try having your newborn's nose broken by his mother's birth canal of steel. After the first three weeks of the infant snoring and coughing constantly you actually tune it out. Five nose adjustments, $45k in bills and 15 months later he still snores.

/still don't like children
//still tolerate mine
///still think the anti-vaccine crowd can EABOD

UCFRoadWarrior: Recent studies have been finding that whooping cough cases are more common in people WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED for whooping cough...not those who have not received the vaccination

But, hey, its easier to blame Jenny McCarthy

Citation please.

Perhaps we should give her a shot of rabies and ask her what she wants to do. The treatment is a vaccine.

THX 1138: moops: Anti-vaccers are idiots. That is all.

And pro-vaccers have kids who become savantsservants!

/Sorry Pet Peeve

Hey Governor Shumlin, are you reading this?

Yes, I'm talking to you, big nose!

/the clown suggested not passing the bill that required removing the "philosophical objection" to mandatory vaccinations in favor of "more parent education".

//His puppets in the Vermont House agreed.

My cousin and his wife are anti-vac. Their kid has never had one. He's also autistic. Other than that he's just as healthy as his peers.

Is it possible illegals haven't been taking their kids in for normal immunizations fearing deportation? That would suck.

Fark threw away the link. Copy paste this

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/03/13/cid.cis287

I can't believe that there are any anti-vaxxers willing to show themselves anymore. I picture them all with facial tattoos.

knightofargh: LincolnLogolas: Nexzus: Our 7 month old and us were vaccinated just over a month ago up here in Vancouver, BC. Even if you're a hippy, I can't imagine any parent wanting to watch their baby cough and cough and cough. Ours actually just went through his first (mild) cough and cold, and it was heartbreaking.

Wait until Croup. That one was horrible. My daughter was about 18mo when she had it, wound up taking her to the hospital. The problem with the anti-vaccers is that they create a public health problem. The vaccine is not 100% effective, thus any unvaccinated kids run a risk of giving pertussis to vaccinated kids.

Try having your newborn's nose broken by his mother's birth canal of steel. After the first three weeks of the infant snoring and coughing constantly you actually tune it out. Five nose adjustments, $45k in bills and 15 months later he still snores.

/still don't like children
//still tolerate mine
///still think the anti-vaccine crowd can EABOD

Ouch! Probably came close to that with our daughter. She was in the birth canal for a good 3 hours. Came out with her head skewed sideways. She looked like a purple Gumby.

The great news is, that if it is, in fact, Anti-vaccers getting pertussis, in less than 30 years we're also going to see a spike in Tetanus cases.

/STFU lockjaw.

kisseswookies: My cousin and his wife are anti-vac. Their kid has never had one. He's also autistic. Other than that he's just as healthy as his peers.

While I feel bad that the kid is autistic I can't help but see a bit of irony in this one.

The truly sad part is how bad the parents will feel when the kid gets something like whooping cough.

Apparently hearing your child suffer for months on end all the while knowing you could have avoided it but were too stupid/gullible really eats away at parents.

She is the poster child for self-righteous idiocy. Children have died and will continue to die because of her misinformation and all the while she will proudly stand there in ignorance denying this fact.

There is a special place in hell for people like her.

elffster: Its ok, jeebus protects me.

Not if you're Catholic.

FarkinHostile: AverageAmericanGuy: 2,000 is a very small number. It starts with a 2! 2 is the second smallest number after 1.

Two can be as bad as 1, it's the loneliest number since the number 1.


/ahhhhh...

Now I've got Aimee Mann stuck in my head....

/Or, more specifically, songs by Aimee Mann
//Because otherwise that would be awkward and unwieldy

kisseswookies: My cousin and his wife are anti-vac. Their kid has never had one. He's also autistic. Other than that he's just as healthy as his peers.

If he's already got autism, what's the harm in being protected from disease?

Farking Canuck: kisseswookies: My cousin and his wife are anti-vac. Their kid has never had one. He's also autistic. Other than that he's just as healthy as his peers.

While I feel bad that the kid is autistic I can't help but see a bit of irony in this one.

The truly sad part is how bad the parents will feel when the kid gets something like whooping cough.

Apparently hearing your child suffer for months on end all the while knowing you could have avoided it but were too stupid/gullible really eats away at parents.

The irony isn't lost on me. He's a wonderful kid and I watch him often (he's 4 almost 5), but I often feel like my cousin and his wife are very lucky he hasn't come down with anything serious.

Digital Communist: CitizenTed: As much as I'd like to castigate Jenny McCarthy and hippie parents for their illogical vaccination phobia, that's not the problem here.

FTA: "Patti emphasized that pertussis isn't spreading because of an anti-vaccine movement. Among possible reasons for the recent spike are that diagnoses in teens and adults are getting better and doctors are doing a better job with reporting, she added

Health officials say the disease tends to return in three-to-five-year cycles."

Hippie parents? I always assumed that Jenny's followers were religious conservatives. I guess that assumption was based on their very consistent hatred of science. Now you have me wondering...

Antivax idiocy crosses all political lines.

The leftie moonbats don't want to do it because "It's unnatural".

The right wing nuts don't want to do it because "They don't trust the government"

One of the things I don't understand about anti-vaxxers is that they claim a correlation between vaccination rates and autism, but since their movement started, the vaccination rate has gone DOWN and the autism rate has gone UP.
If correlation is causation for them in 2005, why is it not in 2012?

lotta hippy bashing upthread.

We are NOT anti science. I don't personally know any anti-vaccers.

/we don't smell, either. (usually)
//but we are not afraid of a little dirt

factoryconnection: I feel like Tdap needs more press, if ignorance of it is partially to blame for these outbreaks. I need to check my immunization record when I get home.

When my wife and I had our first kid, the doctor made it a point to get us both boosters. Otherwise, I wouldn't have ever thought to get another one.

Vaccinations have become victim to their own success. Mothers no longer experience their children dying repeatedly at a young age, or surviving a particularly nasty disease and being crippled for the rest of their lives. Thus the idea of a "deadly illness" has become more myth than fact to them.

Their excuse that immunity should be developed "naturally" through regular play, and then they sanitize everything their child comes in contact with. Some diseases don't provide an opportunity to become immune. You die and that's it.

That being said, we should question the quality of a vaccine. Anyone can make a supposed medicine deadly by skimping on cost and quality. Yes, they should ask "Why is formaldehyde in the vaccine?" and scrutinize the answer, but not flat out refuse to vaccinate due to some knee-jerk reaction to the ingredients.

Every time someone touts the benefit of something just because its "natural" I retort saying that botulism toxin, in its natural form, is highly deadly, yet when processed and made unnatural, people inject it into their faces.

Vaccines and antibiotics are the biggest medical breakthrough ever, and I don't have to experience dying children to know that.

Archae hippy: lotta hippy bashing upthread.

We are NOT anti science. I don't personally know any anti-vaccers.

/we don't smell, either. (usually)
//but we are not afraid of a little dirt

Aww. I like hippies, most of the time. They just have a propensity sometimes for believing in head-smackingly dumb woo-woo pseudoscience.

JackieRabbit: PeterPipersPickledPecker: THX 1138: moops: Anti-vaccers are idiots. That is all.

And pro-vaccers have kids who become savants!

Pro-vaccers have kids that make it to adulthood.

And they will all be very good drivers.

Very good drivers.

Digital Communist: CitizenTed: As much as I'd like to castigate Jenny McCarthy and hippie parents for their illogical vaccination phobia, that's not the problem here.

FTA: "Patti emphasized that pertussis isn't spreading because of an anti-vaccine movement. Among possible reasons for the recent spike are that diagnoses in teens and adults are getting better and doctors are doing a better job with reporting, she added

Health officials say the disease tends to return in three-to-five-year cycles."

Hippie parents? I always assumed that Jenny's followers were religious conservatives. I guess that assumption was based on their very consistent hatred of science. Now you have me wondering...

That's because you're a small-minded person who thinks everybody who believes something stupid must be of the opposite political party.


No, seriously.

I think the interesting dichotomy is that you have the freedom of people to fark up their lives and their kids lives however they so please, and then the blatant doesn't really understand the science so the government has to force something upon them...the totalitarian government thing that we left wingers hate.

So I am really for personal freedom? Or am I just for freedom in my particular flavor?

Where do I draw the line?

meat0918:
Well, the vaccine for Whooping cough isn't life long, so it's not a lie so much as deliberately twisting the facts to fit their "vaccines are bad, government and big pharm evil" narrative.

Yes, the adults getting it were vaccinated, 10, 20, or 30 years prior, and have no protection left; which is why Health Departments around the country are urging adults to get a booster.

I tried to clarify that in a later post, I was just incensed so I didn't include the clarification.

My nephew is autisic and I am 100% certain it had nothing to do with vaccines. We knew something was different the day he was born. He's a very good driver.

THX 1138: moops: Anti-vaccers are idiots. That is all.

And pro-vaccers have kids who become savants!

soakitincider: vaccines would be fine if they didn't put so much farked up shiat in them; get rid of the farked up shiat and people won't have a problem getting vaccines. thankfully, people can recover from some of these diseases that are generally vaccinated against, which is a better option then developing a disorder like autism.

The "farked up shiat" was removed quite a while ago... But can either one of you show me one peer-reviewed paper that shows a link between autism and vaccines?

Digital Communist: Hippie parents? I always assumed that Jenny's followers were religious conservatives. I guess that assumption was based on their very consistent hatred of science. Now you have me wondering...

It is actually more hippie parents. The super religious conservatives have always been anti-vaccers, but the hippies are in greater numbers and have more influence over others, unfortunately. Both are anti-science retards.

GregoryD: I think the interesting dichotomy is that you have the freedom of people to fark up their lives and their kids lives however they so please, and then the blatant doesn't really understand the science so the government has to force something upon them...the totalitarian government thing that we left wingers hate.

So I am really for personal freedom? Or am I just for freedom in my particular flavor?

Where do I draw the line?

The problem isn't them and their kids lives, it is the other people around them. Look up herd immunity; not immunizing your kids affects them and others (i.e. people who are legitimately unable to get vaccines).

Communist_Manifesto: meat0918:
Well, the vaccine for Whooping cough isn't life long, so it's not a lie so much as deliberately twisting the facts to fit their "vaccines are bad, government and big pharm evil" narrative.

Yes, the adults getting it were vaccinated, 10, 20, or 30 years prior, and have no protection left; which is why Health Departments around the country are urging adults to get a booster.

I tried to clarify that in a later post, I was just incensed so I didn't include the clarification.

I see it now.

I both love and hate this statistic. "Unvaccinated children 23 times more likely to get infected with whooping cough".

I like it, because it underscores just how likely you are to get whooping cough if exposed to it and why you should vaccinate, but hate it because the response is usually "Your kids are vaccinated, why should I worry about my unvaccinated kids" as well as "Well, my kids will never get exposed, so I don't have to worry".

One time I was asking why a friend of mine was so against vaccines, and I got a response of "Well, there are too many people in the world today anyways" My response was "Including your three unvaccinated kids I suppose?"

We haven't talked much since.

machoprogrammer: GregoryD: I think the interesting dichotomy is that you have the freedom of people to fark up their lives and their kids lives however they so please, and then the blatant doesn't really understand the science so the government has to force something upon them...the totalitarian government thing that we left wingers hate.

So I am really for personal freedom? Or am I just for freedom in my particular flavor?

Where do I draw the line?

The problem isn't them and their kids lives, it is the other people around them. Look up herd immunity; not immunizing your kids affects them and others (i.e. people who are legitimately unable to get vaccines).

Yep, I am right there with you. To go a step further though:

Well if all the fundies got together and decided you were ruining your kids lives for not teaching them the bible, would you want them to pass legislation on that fact alone?

LincolnLogolas: Ouch! Probably came close to that with our daughter. She was in the birth canal for a good 3 hours. Came out with her head skewed sideways. She looked like a purple Gumby.

He wasn't oxygen starved constantly, just when attempting to feed. Blood oxygen of 60% when feeding meant three days in an overpriced hotel attached to equipment that constantly alarmed because he was too small for it and that's at one of the allegedly best children's hospitals in the country.

I've been there and don't recommend it to anyone. Wife sustained a 3rd degree tear and a broken tailbone during the process. When people ask about when we're having our second I answer "Home vasectomy kit if she brings it up." I also blame him for rearranging her naughty bits to the point where they aren't identifiable, but that's another thread.

On the up side, kids get over that kind of stuff quickly. I personally want maximum herd immunity for pertussis, I react badly the the vaccine for pertussis.

Digital Communist: Hippie parents? I always assumed that Jenny's followers were religious conservatives. I guess that assumption was based on their very consistent hatred of science. Now you have me wondering...

I don't know about where you live, but here in WA it's the hippie parents who are avoiding vaccinations. They're not anti-government wing-nuts. They're gluten-free dopes who think all those nasty chemicals in vaccines make their stupid kids stupid. Fact is, their kids are just plain old stupid. But nowadays there has to be a "cause" so they assign an autism spectrum concept to their dumb-ass kids. And the autism is clearly the result of vaccinations. It can't be hereditary because hippie parents are smart enough to eat gluten-free so their kids must be geniuses, too.

Whoops.

That reminds me, I need to get my booster -- it's going around here, too (southwestern BC), and I do not want to risk getting it. A friend of mine had it about 10 years ago, and she had the fun experiences of coughing until she fainted or puked, and it lasted for months. DO NOT WANT. Will take as much protection as I can get.

SoCalChris: CitizenTed: As much as I'd like to castigate Jenny McCarthy and hippie parents for their illogical vaccination phobia, that's not the problem here.

FTA: "Patti emphasized that pertussis isn't spreading because of an anti-vaccine movement. Among possible reasons for the recent spike are that diagnoses in teens and adults are getting better and doctors are doing a better job with reporting, she added

Health officials say the disease tends to return in three-to-five-year cycles."

I think we can all agree that she's still a harmful dumb-ass, despite not being responsible in this case.

And when she devours the last child, she will unfold her true image to the world!!!

Behold, the Unclean One!

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Digital Communist: CitizenTed: As much as I'd like to castigate Jenny McCarthy and hippie parents for their illogical vaccination phobia, that's not the problem here.

FTA: "Patti emphasized that pertussis isn't spreading because of an anti-vaccine movement. Among possible reasons for the recent spike are that diagnoses in teens and adults are getting better and doctors are doing a better job with reporting, she added

Health officials say the disease tends to return in three-to-five-year cycles."

Hippie parents? I always assumed that Jenny's followers were religious conservatives. I guess that assumption was based on their very consistent hatred of science. Now you have me wondering...

That's because you're a small-minded person who thinks everybody who believes something stupid must be of the opposite political party.


No, seriously.

I'm not a liberal. And you are irrationally offensive and hostile. It's amusing.

The Decider: Just saw my doctor (in Wa) yesterday, got the vaccine and he thinks it IS because parents are opting out. He says that in Washington State, we've dipped below the 90% vaccination rate and that's when things start to spread.

it's always better to go with what someone's GP says, not what an epidemiologist says, about epidemics. Yeah, pretty much always.

If you were to travel back in time and tell people that you were immune to diseases like whopping cough or polio they would look at you like you had super powers.

/Vaccines are amazing, people have just gotten spoiled and forgotten that. Insurance companies should be allowed to charge much higher premiums to families that opt out of routine vaccines because when those kids get sick the treatment will be costly.

//get your super powers and keep them up to date .

How many babies had Jenny farking McCarthy killed?

Hm... a quick Google search reveals the Jenny McCarthy Body Count website.

She's up to 879 dead so far.

GregoryD: Well if all the fundies got together and decided you were ruining your kids lives for not teaching them the bible, would you want them to pass legislation on that fact alone?

Nope, but if they could prove that my kids, strictly by not being taught the bible alone, were causing their kids physical harm, then yes.

Basically, your freedom ends where another person's freedom begins.

machoprogrammer: GregoryD: I think the interesting dichotomy is that you have the freedom of people to fark up their lives and their kids lives however they so please, and then the blatant doesn't really understand the science so the government has to force something upon them...the totalitarian government thing that we left wingers hate.

So I am really for personal freedom? Or am I just for freedom in my particular flavor?

Where do I draw the line?

The problem isn't them and their kids lives, it is the other people around them. Look up herd immunity; not immunizing your kids affects them and others (i.e. people who are legitimately unable to get vaccines).

Like babies. Babies die from pertusis. Screw you superstisious bastards that don't belive in vaccination. They should be barred from public places.