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(Fox News)   Bill O'Reilly on same-sex marriage: "I agree with President Obama" (with poll that makes just as much sense)   (foxnews.com) divider line 23
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2012-05-11 12:33:22 PM
5 votes:
There are two sides.

You either support civil rights, or you are a bigot.
2012-05-11 01:49:23 PM
3 votes:
Therefore, individual states should decide the question. On that, I agree with President Obama.

Oh, please Bill, do explain how this works...

Roger and Tom live and get married in a state that recognizes their marriage legally, say Massachusetts, they are on a trip to visit Roger's parents in North Carolina, and get in a horrible accident in that state. Tom is laid up in a hospital in NC, with a "family only" order on the visitation, due to the severity of his injuries. By Massachusetts law, Roger would be able to visit him in the hospital, but by NC law, he won't. Now if you're going to claim that NC has to recognize a legal marriage from another state, than it's idiotic to even support states banning it because their residents will just travel out of state to get married.

It either has to be across the board, or nothing, this state-by-state bullshiat will NEVER work, and it will just cause more bureaucratic bullshiat, and more big-government.
2012-05-11 12:40:07 PM
3 votes:
"In fact largely because of the press, it's now just about impossible to have an honest debate about gay marriage. If you oppose it you are a bigot, a homophobe, you are a terrible person."

What's not honest about that?
2012-05-11 12:32:29 PM
3 votes:
"I don't know" is the really the only option one needs on a FOX News poll.
2012-05-11 02:39:38 PM
2 votes:
Fark Groupthink has gotten much more solidified in the past year.

I don't actively support legalization of SSM, but I wouldn't lose my shiat if it got approved. I fully support civil unions that afford all of the same rights. I simply don't believe that we should be forced to just choose to change the societal definition of the word because people with a self-professed alternative lifestyle want to have it become a mandated social norm with the exact same name.

It's like that time in 2nd grade when the class had a "Class Fun Fund" for going on a field trip, and most everyone wanted to go to a theme park, but a few vocal Lisa Simpsons whined and made a huge stink and you ended up going to a retirement home to sing to Elder-Zombies. The Class Fun Fund was used even though there was an equally available pot of money called the "Community Service Fund" that could have been used to pay for the trip.

Not a perfect analogy, I know, but whatever.

Oh, and I don't see race and gender as the same thing as sexual orientation.

Inherent, genetic vs socio-developmental lifestyle (with a cocktail of other complex psychological issues), IMO.

Makes me laugh that Farkers consider this "bigotry."
2012-05-11 01:35:41 PM
2 votes:

kukukupo: odinsposse: kukukupo: Let me sum up how 'gay rights' are debated:

Person A: Seeing two gay people makes my balls shrivel up inside me and it is gross.

Person B: BIGOT! HOMOPHOBE!

/there is derp on both sides

It's totally unfair to call someone a homophobe just because they express a fear of gays.

Being repulsed by something is not a fear. If I don't like being around people who smoke, I'm not afraid of people who smoke. If seeing someone eat worms disgusts me, I'm not afraid of worms or people who eat them.


Irrational anxiety is pretty much what a phobia is. If you don't like smokers you wrinkle your nose at the smell. If you freak the fark out if you see someone smoking that's a phobia. So too if you don't like watching guys kiss you look away. If you become physically ill it's because there's something wrong with you.
2012-05-12 03:55:27 AM
1 votes:

cherrydog: daveUSMC: Fark Groupthink has gotten much more solidified in the past year.

I don't actively support legalization of SSM, but I wouldn't lose my shiat if it got approved. I fully support civil unions that afford all of the same rights. I simply don't believe that we should be forced to just choose to change the societal definition of the word because people with a self-professed alternative lifestyle want to have it become a mandated social norm with the exact same name.

It's like that time in 2nd grade when the class had a "Class Fun Fund" for going on a field trip, and most everyone wanted to go to a theme park, but a few vocal Lisa Simpsons whined and made a huge stink and you ended up going to a retirement home to sing to Elder-Zombies. The Class Fun Fund was used even though there was an equally available pot of money called the "Community Service Fund" that could have been used to pay for the trip.

Not a perfect analogy, I know, but whatever.

Oh, and I don't see race and gender as the same thing as sexual orientation.

Inherent, genetic vs socio-developmental lifestyle (with a cocktail of other complex psychological issues), IMO.

Makes me laugh that Farkers consider this "bigotry."

this whole "change the definition of marriage" is just bad blood that homosexuals dare consider themselves to be equal to heterosexuals.

but they're not really equal, they're somehow inferior and don't deserve to be part of the "marriage" club.

this kind of thinking indeed makes you a bigot


Oddly enough, I'm ok with not messing with the government definition of marriage... I'd much rather the government only be in the business of civil unions, and leave marriage to the churches. Then, as now, churches will all have varying definitions of what Marriage is, but at least they can keep their sacraments sacred by not having so much government involvement. Want to be joined in the eyes of God, go get married... want to be joined in the eyes of government, get civil unioned. Sans religious baggage, I don't care who you appoint as your union partner, friends, family, loved one... pretty much any one person of consenting age and mental status will do. I know, the polygamists will cry about only having one, but it's just a civil union, it's intended to speed along court processes, medical determinations, attorney determinations and the like... allowing multiple people defeats the nature of the institution I'm proposing. Marry all your wives and civil union none if you wish, just write out some clear guidelines for medical and attorney determinations and the distribution of your estate.
2012-05-11 01:46:15 PM
1 votes:

karnal: Still it should be a states rights issue. If the voters in a state want gay marriage slavery, by all means allow it in your state....and the adoption issue would go right along with it.
Down the road, when the majority of states sanction it - it will no longer be an issue.


Civil rights are never a state issue.
2012-05-11 01:46:08 PM
1 votes:

kukukupo: Let me sum up how 'gay rights' are debated:

Person A: Seeing two gay people makes my balls shrivel up inside me and it is gross.
Person B: BIGOT! HOMOPHOBE!
/there is derp on both sides


Try replacing the word "gay" with the word "blacks" or "jews". Then tell me you don't deserve to be called a bigot.
2012-05-11 01:45:03 PM
1 votes:

TheNewJesus: There are two sides.

You either support civil rights, or you are a bigot.


Funny NAMBLA says the same thing.

\Do support gay rights including marriage.
\\dont support NAMBLA
\\\having a different opinion =/= bigot.
2012-05-11 01:33:47 PM
1 votes:

Magnanimous_J: By the way, has anyone else noticed O'Reilly seems more and more moderate these days?


It's all relative. He's merely been outderped.
2012-05-11 01:29:03 PM
1 votes:

odinsposse: kukukupo: Let me sum up how 'gay rights' are debated:

Person A: Seeing two gay people makes my balls shrivel up inside me and it is gross.

Person B: BIGOT! HOMOPHOBE!

/there is derp on both sides

It's totally unfair to call someone a homophobe just because they express a fear of gays.


Being repulsed by something is not a fear. If I don't like being around people who smoke, I'm not afraid of people who smoke. If seeing someone eat worms disgusts me, I'm not afraid of worms or people who eat them.
2012-05-11 01:21:07 PM
1 votes:
The poll is ridiculous, of course, but the question is legit.

The GOP are banking on America being a country with more bigots than decent people.

The Dems are banking on the opposite.

Yes, it's really that simple.

I'm Canadian, don't get a vote, ostensibly don't have a dawg in the hunt and yet I reeeeallllly hope you all collectively do not fark this up.

Like a lot.
2012-05-11 01:13:14 PM
1 votes:

adamgreeney: So the man who told us that gay marriage would lead to wide spread polygamy and turtle marriage is recanting? Or is he pretending he never said any of that stuff before?


Wait, wut? O'Reilly is a blowhard - but he is a blowhard that has supported gay adoption and civil unions for years. He is not taking a new position here.

/he's even blasted ex-gays.
2012-05-11 01:12:04 PM
1 votes:
I don't care if two men or two women want to marry each other. On one hand I do think it should be left to the states to decide if they want to perform such marriages, I also think that if two men get married in New York, Texas should be forced to recognize that, even if Texas did not allow two men to get married.
2012-05-11 01:11:17 PM
1 votes:
"...largely because of the press, it's now just about impossible to have an honest debate about gay marriage. "

Bill O'Reilly said this. A man who works for the press and specializes in distributing talking points. Who's next segment involves calling celebrities who donate to Obama "pinheads". Is worried that the press is clouding the debate.

Well f*ck me.
2012-05-11 01:10:30 PM
1 votes:
Which sport do you prefer, baseball or football?

[ ]Oatmeal
[ ]Violin
2012-05-11 12:54:38 PM
1 votes:

Pincy: "In fact largely because of the press, it's now just about impossible to have an honest debate about gay marriage. If you oppose it you are a bigot, a homophobe, you are a terrible person."

What's not honest about that?


Really, if you can give a completely logical, reasonable and rational reason to say that a woman's choice of marriage partner is fixed from birth to only include men, and that a man is only also restricted to choosing a women to be a marriage partner, if you can explain why this blatant sexual discrimination is right and proper, I will not call you a bigot, homophobe and a terrible person. But none of you can, at least yet. So, tough shiat, you're a bigot.
2012-05-11 12:49:51 PM
1 votes:
While I am pleased that the President expressed his support for same sex marriages, his stance on the issue is terrible. Either you believe the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment means that there is a constitutionally protected right to same sex marriage, or you don't. Apparently the President's opinion is that same sex marriage is not a constitutionally protected right. That makes his stance on the issue no different than Romney's or OReilly's. There are many things that should be left to the states, but defenses of fundamental rights enshrined in the Constitution aren't among them. I doubt President Obama or Attorney General Holder would be comfortable leaving the equal protection of racial minorities to the states (even though in modern America, racial minorities are in far less danger of having their rights tread upon by the states than homosexuals are). But for some reason the President is just fine leaving the rights of the LGBT community to the whims of the state.
2012-05-11 12:45:54 PM
1 votes:
Will Preznit fart more or less bongos?

1. Yes

B. No.

#. What is this O don't even?
2012-05-11 12:40:45 PM
1 votes:

kingoomieiii: "There are good people who support gay marriage and good people who oppose it. Also there are plenty of bad people who exploit the issue with accusations of bigotry and such."

Oh, okay, so there are good people on both sides, but you're only bad if you call out the people who oppose it on their bullshiat. Got it.


Bigotry is bad but calling attention to it is deplorable. Snitches get stitches.
2012-05-11 12:33:50 PM
1 votes:
The poll makes perfect sense, I don't know what you guys are getting all riled up about.

Will his views on same sex marriage help or hurt him?

Yes - This means you think it will affect his poll numbers.
No - This means you think it won't have an impact on his poll numbers.

Duh!
2012-05-11 10:47:17 AM
1 votes:
"There are good people who support gay marriage and good people who oppose it. Also there are plenty of bad people who exploit the issue with accusations of bigotry and such."

Oh, okay, so there are good people on both sides, but you're only bad if you call out the people who oppose it on their bullshiat. Got it.
 
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