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2012-05-11 11:48:51 AM
while we;re talking platforms and software: I'm thinking about leaving apple for my next MP3 player. Can FARK recommend a software package that updates and organizes podcasts as well as Itunes?
 
2012-05-11 11:49:27 AM

Ivo Shandor: So I guess I'm suing Apple, but I really don't give a shiat about the $0.02 coupon that might come out of this class action suit. I'd rather let Apple keep all the money than help some rich lawyers get even richer.


Yup, lets make sure companies don't need to keep their word or follow the rules - as long as those bastard lawyers don't get paid for the work they did!
 
2012-05-11 11:53:30 AM

Earpj: Ok. Question...How do I add music from my Windows media player thingy to my iTunes? I just got my son a new (to him) iPod from a pawn shop, and most of my songs aren't in iTunes on this computer. Home Sharing isn't working, I can't figure it out.



Place IPod on a hard surface.
Strike IPod several times with a large hammer.
Uninstall ITunes and all 374 pieces of software that installed with ITunes.
Buy something else. Anything else!

Problem solved.
 
2012-05-11 11:54:53 AM
My 1st gen Nano is the gift that keeps on giving.

First I got a check because of some issue with scratches on the face interfering with the enjoyment of the device.

Then they recalled them and gave me a 6th gen nano, which I actually use a lot more than the 1st gen one.

Now I may get another check? Pretty soon they will have paid me to take it.
 
2012-05-11 11:55:11 AM
Clearly they didn't read the fine print of their purchase agreement. Anyone who purchases an Apple product automatically releases the company from liability of any type - it's under the "Idiots who succumb to marketing hype and buy over-priced products get what the deserve" clause.
 
2012-05-11 11:56:59 AM

Theaetetus: JackieRabbit: Somehow, I think that if a court actually agrees to hear this case, the plaintiffs will lose. iPod and iTunes is proprietary hardware/software solution. The EUA is pretty clear about this. Apple is not required to make it compatible with other solutions unless they choose to.

So, Apple should win and the plaintiffs aren't entitled to any compensation.

The lawyers are hoping that Apple will just consider the suit a nuisance and settle. That way, they get to pocket a few million, while the class members get something like $1.85 or an iTunes store credit that'll be just enough to buy a couple of songs.

So, it's unfair that the plaintiffs don't get very much compensation.

ಠ_ಠ


In the last two years, I have received no less than six notices that I am a member of a class action. That's more than the rest of my life in total. I just toss them, since the suits are usually trivial. I actually received a notice of a settlement in one case. I could claim my $12 share by providing proof that I was a valid member of the class. I could do this providing a notarized copy of my original bill of sale -- for an appliance I had purchased in the year 1990. Yeah, right. The probability that any class members had this documentation after 18 years is near zero, which means the lawyers get to keep anything that remained unclaimed after the 12 month limitation on filing a claim.
 
2012-05-11 11:59:30 AM
Yeah, I got an e-mail this morning telling me (I certainly didn't know) that I am a co-plaintiff in this suit. It generously gives instructions if I want to opt out.

Several questions:

1. Are most of these class-action suits stemming from actual complaints, or are they just cooked up by the burgeoning number of legal firms specializing in this type of litigation?

2. Are these suits now becoming the biggest gold mine ever for tort lawyers?

3. Has any plaintiff in one of these suits ever received more than $1.43 in settlement?
 
2012-05-11 11:59:38 AM

Teiritzamna: Yup, lets make sure companies don't need to keep their word or follow the rules - as long as those bastard lawyers don't get paid for the work they did!


If only the free market provided some mechanism for individual customers to selectively reward the companies that treat them well and penalize the ones that treat them badly...

/guess how many iPods I've bought from Apple since that first one.
 
2012-05-11 11:59:40 AM

Leeds: Earpj: Kar98:
You drag all the songs from wherever they are now into iTunes, after making sure iTunes is set to copy and organize content.

I tried that. It's not working. Maybe I don't have iTunes set up correctly...I'm gonna mess with it again. Maybe I can figure it out.

What format is it? I don't think fruit-products allow windows music files to play on them.


Any and all mp3 files can be added to iTunes just fine, regardless of the source.
 
2012-05-11 12:01:24 PM

JackieRabbit: In the last two years, I have received no less than six notices that I am a member of a class action. That's more than the rest of my life in total. I just toss them, since the suits are usually trivial. I actually received a notice of a settlement in one case. I could claim my $12 share by providing proof that I was a valid member of the class. I could do this providing a notarized copy of my original bill of sale -- for an appliance I had purchased in the year 1990. Yeah, right. The probability that any class members had this documentation after 18 years is near zero, which means the lawyers get to keep anything that remained unclaimed after the 12 month limitation on filing a claim.


I am still somewhat unclear as to what your problem is?
 
2012-05-11 12:03:28 PM

Ivo Shandor: Teiritzamna: Yup, lets make sure companies don't need to keep their word or follow the rules - as long as those bastard lawyers don't get paid for the work they did!

If only the free market provided some mechanism for individual customers to selectively reward the companies that treat them well and penalize the ones that treat them badly...

/guess how many iPods I've bought from Apple since that first one.


Ah! One of those arguments that companies should be exempt from the legal system because hey, if they do bad things, we just don't buy their products! Also we don't need any government regulation for the same reason! Libertarian corporatist paradise for all!
 
2012-05-11 12:03:42 PM

Teiritzamna: Yup, lets make sure companies don't need to keep their word or follow the rules - as long as those bastard lawyers don't get paid for the work they did!


What promise? Here is the original press release from the first ever iPod, and even there it says you'll have to use iTunes. Apple never promised otherwise. At least now you don't have to have a Mac with a Firewire port to be able to use it anymore.
 
2012-05-11 12:04:06 PM
basically the dispute is over an old update to iPod software that prevents any program that isn't iTunes from adding music to your device

I'm getting a kick because I used Linux most of the time and to sync my iPods and that update pretty much made me have to reboot into Windows(or install a Windows VM) and use iTunes. That was the point when I got rid of my iPods and stopped using anymore Apple products. Even after they fixed it(or it worked around, I don't remember which) I didn't go back.

It's one thing when they slightly change the protocol and it takes a few weeks for third party people to get things up and running again, but in this instance, Apple went way out their way to break things for everyone else instead of the usual incidental breaking. That was a pretty big "f*ck you" from Apple and has made my wary of their products ever since.

/csb
 
2012-05-11 12:05:14 PM

rico567: Yeah, I got an e-mail this morning telling me (I certainly didn't know) that I am a co-plaintiff in this suit. It generously gives instructions if I want to opt out.

Several questions:

1. Are most of these class-action suits stemming from actual complaints, or are they just cooked up by the burgeoning number of legal firms specializing in this type of litigation?

2. Are these suits now becoming the biggest gold mine ever for tort lawyers?

3. Has any plaintiff in one of these suits ever received more than $1.43 in settlement?


All of your questions are pretty much addressed up-thread. Its not about recovery, its about punishment of bad acts and deterring future bad acts.
 
2012-05-11 12:06:10 PM
The article says, "basically the dispute is over an old update to iPod software that prevents any program that isn't iTunes from adding music to your device."

I got a "you are party to this class action" email concerning this, since I bought an iPod. It says something completely different:

"The lawsuit claims that Apple violated federal and state laws by issuing software updates in 2006 for its iPod that prevented iPods from playing songs not purchased on iTunes."

I took this to indicate it is talking about the iTunes Music Store (by the use of the word "purchased").

Both scenarios make no sense, so I looked at the web page of the attorneys bringing this case.

"The Firm represents iPod purchasers who challenged Apple's use of iPod software and firmware updates to prevent consumers who purchased music from non-Apple sources from playing it on their iPods. Apple's conduct resulted in monopolies in the digital music and portable digital music player markets and enabled the company to charge inflated prices for millions of iPods."

Emphasis is mine, because it agrees with the e-mail I received and highlights the basic flaw in this case, namely that they're full of shiat. You've always been able to put any mp3 on an iPod. The songs don't have to come from Apple. I filled mine up with music I ripped from CDs I owned before the iPod was invented.
 
2012-05-11 12:06:33 PM

bsharitt: Apple went way out their way to break things for everyone else instead of the usual incidental breaking


Did Apple ever promise you you'd be able to use software other than iTunes to put music on your iPod?
 
2012-05-11 12:06:54 PM

JackieRabbit: In the last two years, I have received no less than six notices that I am a member of a class action. That's more than the rest of my life in total. I just toss them, since the suits are usually trivial. I actually received a notice of a settlement in one case. I could claim my $12 share by providing proof that I was a valid member of the class. I could do this providing a notarized copy of my original bill of sale -- for an appliance I had purchased in the year 1990. Yeah, right. The probability that any class members had this documentation after 18 years is near zero, which means the lawyers get to keep anything that remained unclaimed after the 12 month limitation on filing a claim.


So, you didn't do anything, you believe you weren't owed anything, and in some cases you get some free money, but in others, you don't get anything.

Probably best if the class action suit never occurred, because then you wouldn't do anything, wouldn't have been owed anything, and definitely wouldn't get anything.
 
2012-05-11 12:07:27 PM

Kar98: Teiritzamna: Yup, lets make sure companies don't need to keep their word or follow the rules - as long as those bastard lawyers don't get paid for the work they did!

What promise? Here is the original press release from the first ever iPod, and even there it says you'll have to use iTunes. Apple never promised otherwise. At least now you don't have to have a Mac with a Firewire port to be able to use it anymore.


This isn't a promise suit, this is a rules suit. Just because a company says it will do something that by law it cannot do doesn't mean that it gets to do it.
 
2012-05-11 12:11:29 PM

Leeds: Earpj: Kar98:
You drag all the songs from wherever they are now into iTunes, after making sure iTunes is set to copy and organize content.

I tried that. It's not working. Maybe I don't have iTunes set up correctly...I'm gonna mess with it again. Maybe I can figure it out.

What format is it? I don't think fruit-products allow windows music files to play on them.


Try exporting the music data to a memory stick and then have itunes upload it from that. It was years ago, but I'm pretty sure this is how I got my data from Windows into Itunes on my Mac.
 
2012-05-11 12:12:08 PM

MacWizard: Both scenarios make no sense, so I looked at the web page of the attorneys bringing this case.

"The Firm represents iPod purchasers who challenged Apple's use of iPod software and firmware updates to prevent consumers who purchased music from non-Apple sources from playing it on their iPods. Apple's conduct resulted in monopolies in the digital music and portable digital music player markets and enabled the company to charge inflated prices for millions of iPods."

Emphasis is mine, because it agrees with the e-mail I received and highlights the basic flaw in this case, namely that they're full of shiat. You've always been able to put any mp3 on an iPod. The songs don't have to come from Apple. I filled mine up with music I ripped from CDs I owned before the iPod was invented.


Additional limitation. You can't, say, purchase music on the Zune store (with PlaysFerSure(TM) DRM!), and load it on your iPod.

But yes, this is a stupid suit. It's like suing Sony because your PS3 won't play a game you purchased on XBL, or suing Barnes and Noble because the ebook you purchased from Amazon with Kindle-DRM can't be read by your Nook.
 
2012-05-11 12:13:43 PM

HI-FYE: Earpj: Ok. Question...How do I add music from my Windows media player thingy to my iTunes? I just got my son a new (to him) iPod from a pawn shop, and most of my songs aren't in iTunes on this computer. Home Sharing isn't working, I can't figure it out.


Place IPod on a hard surface.
Strike IPod several times with a large hammer.
Uninstall ITunes and all 374 pieces of software that installed with ITunes.
Buy something else. Anything else!

Problem solved.


I would, but the boy likes it. Ipods are the only Apple things in my house.
 
2012-05-11 12:13:43 PM
I love my Sansa Fuze, it plays FLAC too...refurb from a crappy online company.

Fark Apple. They were cool in the 80s. Now, not so much.
 
2012-05-11 12:15:29 PM

JackieRabbit: That way, they get to pocket a few million, while the class members get something like $1.85 or an iTunes store credit that'll be just enough to buy a couple of songs.


I'll take a check, thank you.

thumbs.anyclip.com
 
2012-05-11 12:15:41 PM

Kar98: bsharitt: Apple went way out their way to break things for everyone else instead of the usual incidental breaking

Did Apple ever promise you you'd be able to use software other than iTunes to put music on your iPod?


It's very rare that companies go so far out of their way to annoy customers so it wasn't something I considered at the time of purchase. But like I said I got rid of the iPods and avoid Apple products on all future gadget purchases, so problem solved. Of now that Jobs is dead, I might take a second look in a few years if "paranoid control freak" aura has faded from Apple by then. They make some nice things, but not nice enough to take the chance that I might be forced to use their really garbage stuff(iTunes) to use the nice things.
 
2012-05-11 12:15:54 PM

Theaetetus: But yes, this is a stupid suit. It's like suing Sony because your PS3 won't play a game you purchased on XBL, or suing Barnes and Noble because the ebook you purchased from Amazon with Kindle-DRM can't be read by your Nook.


And what is essential to realize is that just because a particular suit is stupid does not mean that a right to sue is stupid.

/i know you weren't Theae, but i figured it was gonna be the next round of arguments indicating that all class actions are therefore evil and dumb, so i felt like being prophylactic
//condoms!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-05-11 12:17:09 PM
JackieRabbit

The Class Action Fairness Act is supposed to make attorney's fees related to benefit to consumers in cases that are primarily interstate. Lawyers can't enrich themselves by negotiating a bunch of coupons that will never be redeemed. The CAFA followed a case where lawyers left some class members with negative recovery after fees were deducted.

The problem with these mass class actions is they are useless for class members and the lawyers are basically acting as private attorneys general. But real attorneys general do not profit personally from their cases (that would be unethical) and they have an electorate watching them to deter gross abuse of prosecutorial discretion.
 
2012-05-11 12:19:32 PM
I have a Samsung Galaxy Note, which I love. After playing around with several iphones I realize they are just an ipod touch guts with a crap phone added on and put into an extra fragile case.

I won an Ipod touch in a raffle a while back. It pretty much sucks, but when it stopped charging I called applecare and had probably the best customer service experience I have had in a long time. Their products suck but the service seems good. I don't have it back yet, so there is still plenty of opportunity to screw it up.
 
2012-05-11 12:23:44 PM

ZAZ: basically acting as private attorneys general.


Well that's the point.

ZAZ: deter gross abuse of prosecutorial discretion


The best way to deter frivolous suits is that the suing lawyers are basically on spec - they don't get any money at all and end up in the hole if they bring a stupid suit.* Now i don't want to protect plaintiff's lawyers, as my job is to kick them in the nards, but generally the worst that can be said about most class actions is that they are brought more for those bad acts that cost the most money (i.e. lead to the best damages) than those bad acts that suck the most.

* Especially in the era of Iqbal and Twombly, which have made frivolous class actions that much harder to bring.
 
2012-05-11 12:25:06 PM

Razzed:
Try exporting the music data to a memory stick and then have itunes upload it from that. It was years ago, but I'm pretty sure this is how I got my data from Windows into Itunes on my Mac.


oohh..Good idea. I'll try that. Thank you.
 
2012-05-11 12:25:39 PM

Theaetetus: Additional limitation. You can't, say, purchase music on the Zune store (with PlaysFerSure(TM) DRM!), and load it on your iPod.

But yes, this is a stupid suit. It's like suing Sony because your PS3 won't play a game you purchased on XBL, or suing Barnes and Noble because the ebook you purchased from Amazon with Kindle-DRM can't be read by your Nook.


iTunes software has been around since years before the iPod and any DRM scheme. It was designed as an mp3 player for the Mac and originally, that was the only format it supported. It never played Windows media files of any variety.
 
2012-05-11 12:26:16 PM
I've toyed with the idea of using software other than itunes to manage my 120GB ipod classic. But it's just not worth it to me to switch. Podcast are integrated seamlessly and I really like itunes U. The only problem I've ever noticed is album art gets screw up sometimes (I noticed a few days ago all my Sun Ra album art was changed to the logo of a podcast I listen to).

Also, there's something to be said about Apple overcharging for it's hardware, but I don't feel that that applies to the ipod classic. A $250 list price ($230 on Amazon) for the 160 GB version is completely reasonable, imo.

/btw, my ipod is the only apple product I've ever owned
 
2012-05-11 12:29:42 PM

trippdogg: Clearly they didn't read the fine print of their purchase agreement. Anyone who purchases an Apple product automatically releases the company from liability of any type - it's under the "Idiots who succumb to marketing hype and buy over-priced products get what the deserve" clause.


I only bought the Nano because there was quite literally no other comparable product. :( I had an 8GB Creative Zen, that allowed you to stick SD cards in, but some asshole pushed me into a display case at a store, and the LCD display ended up all cracked. It was out of warranty, and at this point, they didn't even sell the players anymore. I could have gone with a Sony 8GB player, or a cheap Coby or a Sandisk (which my mother had one of, and it froze constantly), but again, they were either cheap and crappy, and if I was going to be buying a new MP3 player, I wanted one with a decent size capacity. I paid the same price for my 16GB Nano that I paid for the Zen, so to me, it wasn't really that expensive.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is for people, I mean, how often do people swap out music? I haven't hooked my Nano into iTunes since 2010. MP3 players aren't exactly the best device to be listening to music on anyways. If you really have a farkton of music, like me, the size of the player still won't matter. I went with a 16GB so I'd spend less time farking around with what I wanted on the player. I just think people are whining over nothing. iTunes is a piece of shiat, but seriously, there are plenty of ways to avoid it, or rarely use it.

Theaetetus: MacWizard:
or suing Barnes and Noble because the ebook you purchased from Amazon with Kindle-DRM can't be read by your Nook.


I read Kindle books on my Nook all the time. :) It did take about 20 minutes or so to do so, because I had to root and install CM7 on my Nook, and then download the Kindle app, and then find some kindle books to read, but I do read Kindle books on my Nook.
 
2012-05-11 12:30:46 PM

Farktastic: I have a Samsung Galaxy Note, which I love. After playing around with several iphones I realize they are just an ipod touch guts with a crap phone added on and put into an extra fragile case.


No phone will ever have as decent sound, battery life and degree of sturdiness as the Nokia 3310 and its variations. Hell, you could pound nails in with it and use it to open beer bottles. Battery lasted two freaking weeks, and voices sounded like the people you were talking with were standing right next to you.
 
2012-05-11 12:33:23 PM

alowishus: Also, there's something to be said about Apple overcharging for it's hardware


Not if you get many more years of use out of it and then still can reap a good chunk of change for it.

Sold my six and a half year old Mac mini the other day and still got $250 for it, a third of its original price tag.
 
2012-05-11 12:36:11 PM

ZAZ: Or you can do nothing and wait for the tiny checks to (maybe) roll in

More likely a 50 cent credit in the iTunes store.


Heh. That's exactly what I was going to predict as a payout.
 
2012-05-11 12:36:20 PM
I don't know if there is a company I have a greater love/hate relationship with than Apple. I had an iPod touch that would fall in the scope of this lawsuit, and they swore up and down that it didn't have a bluetooth chip in it, despite it's obvious inclusion from teardowns. Then they released an iOS update (charging iPod users for it) and magically - bluetooth.

/Okay, not even worth a CSB
 
2012-05-11 12:39:02 PM
brusimm.com
 
2012-05-11 12:40:21 PM

Teiritzamna: Ah! One of those arguments that companies should be exempt from the legal system because hey, if they do bad things, we just don't buy their products! Also we don't need any government regulation for the same reason! Libertarian corporatist paradise for all!


I'm specifically talking about these useless class action lawsuits where 99+% of the "class" don't give a shiat about the issue, not all laws across the board. If it was a class consisting of "people who lost an arm because your company's circular saw exploded while they were using it" then it would be a different matter.
 
2012-05-11 12:42:58 PM

BohemianGraham: trippdogg: Clearly they didn't read the fine print of their purchase agreement. Anyone who purchases an Apple product automatically releases the company from liability of any type - it's under the "Idiots who succumb to marketing hype and buy over-priced products get what the deserve" clause.

I only bought the Nano because there was quite literally no other comparable product. :( I had an 8GB Creative Zen, that allowed you to stick SD cards in, but some asshole pushed me into a display case at a store, and the LCD display ended up all cracked. It was out of warranty, and at this point, they didn't even sell the players anymore. I could have gone with a Sony 8GB player, or a cheap Coby or a Sandisk (which my mother had one of, and it froze constantly), but again, they were either cheap and crappy, and if I was going to be buying a new MP3 player, I wanted one with a decent size capacity. I paid the same price for my 16GB Nano that I paid for the Zen, so to me, it wasn't really that expensive.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is for people, I mean, how often do people swap out music? I haven't hooked my Nano into iTunes since 2010. MP3 players aren't exactly the best device to be listening to music on anyways. If you really have a farkton of music, like me, the size of the player still won't matter. I went with a 16GB so I'd spend less time farking around with what I wanted on the player. I just think people are whining over nothing. iTunes is a piece of shiat, but seriously, there are plenty of ways to avoid it, or rarely use it.

Theaetetus: MacWizard:
or suing Barnes and Noble because the ebook you purchased from Amazon with Kindle-DRM can't be read by your Nook.

I read Kindle books on my Nook all the time. :) It did take about 20 minutes or so to do so, because I had to root and install CM7 on my Nook, and then download the Kindle app, and then find some kindle books to read, but I do read Kindle books on my Nook.


I have Calibre setup with all the DRM stripping plug ins so I take the DRM'd file that was downloaded from the Adobe Digital editions(for Google books, or other stores that use stock Adobe DRM) or the PC Kindle/Nook program and import it into Calibre where the DRM is automatically stripped. I then can then side load the books onto any eReader and Calibre can pretty much convert the files to any format I need.
 
2012-05-11 12:43:10 PM
I figure that if Apple loses, I will get a check for about a dollar.

The lawyers on both sides will get millions,

Apple will charge me ten dollars more for each of my next 5 Apple products.

Net result for Apple: a wash
Net result for the lawyers: ass money
Net result to me -$49.

Why do the lawyers want my $49?
Bastages
 
2012-05-11 12:43:17 PM

Ivo Shandor: Teiritzamna: Ah! One of those arguments that companies should be exempt from the legal system because hey, if they do bad things, we just don't buy their products! Also we don't need any government regulation for the same reason! Libertarian corporatist paradise for all!

I'm specifically talking about these useless class action lawsuits where 99+% of the "class" don't give a shiat about the issue, not all laws across the board. If it was a class consisting of "people who lost an arm because your company's circular saw exploded while they were using it" then it would be a different matter.


"People who lost an arm" would be damaged enough that they would bring suit on their own, so there's really no need for a class action, by definition.
Or, are you suggesting that they shouldn't be able to bring suit? Lose an arm, only get to sue if you can find a whole group of similarly injured people?
 
2012-05-11 12:43:40 PM
If we follow the "logic" of some people on here, I should be able to sue Microsoft if I can't use iTunes to add music to a Zune.* How dare they expect me to use the software they provided with the device?

And then I'll sue Ford because putting a Chevy engine in the car voids the warranty.

*Just an example. I don't have a Zune.
 
2012-05-11 12:45:43 PM

Ivo Shandor: Teiritzamna: Ah! One of those arguments that companies should be exempt from the legal system because hey, if they do bad things, we just don't buy their products! Also we don't need any government regulation for the same reason! Libertarian corporatist paradise for all!

I'm specifically talking about these useless class action lawsuits where 99+% of the "class" don't give a shiat about the issue, not all laws across the board. If it was a class consisting of "people who lost an arm because your company's circular saw exploded while they were using it" then it would be a different matter.


But see that really wouldn't need to be a class action now would it? As long as companies can screw you or flout their responsibilities, but in ways that are relatively small per customer, without CAs there is pretty much nothing to stop them beyond massive expensive government regulation.

/not to argue with a guy who is "either a certified genius or an authentic wacko"
 
2012-05-11 12:48:31 PM

bsharitt: I have Calibre setup with all the DRM stripping plug ins so I take the DRM'd file that was downloaded from the Adobe Digital editions(for Google books, or other stores that use stock Adobe DRM) or the PC Kindle/Nook program and import it into Calibre where the DRM is automatically stripped. I then can then side load the books onto any eReader and Calibre can pretty much convert the files to any format I need.


I use Calibre for Microsoft Lit, and to convert all my old PDF copies of stuff like Harry Potter into ePub. I also do a lot of sideloading, I was just being smarmy for the sake of being smarmy, by saying that it's more than possible to read Kindle books on a Nook via the Kindle App, and you can directly load kindle books on there, without converting them to a format the Nook natively reads.

Besides, rooting the Nook is pretty much a piece of cake anyways, and you'd be stupid not to root it. It's also pretty much unbrickable. At least the Nook Colors were.
 
2012-05-11 12:56:17 PM

Tricky Chicken: I figure that if Apple loses, I will get a check for about a dollar.

The lawyers on both sides will get millions,

Apple will charge me ten dollars more for each of my next 5 Apple products.

Net result for Apple: a wash
Net result for the lawyers: ass money
Net result to me -$49.

Why do the lawyers want my $49?
Bastages


Ah this old chestnut:

1 Company x does something wrong
2 lawyer sues to stop wrong act
3 lawyer wins! Company punished for bad act!
4 company decides to compound previois dickery by passing the cost if their bad act to customers.

Thus obviously, its the lawyer that is the asshole.
 
2012-05-11 01:00:01 PM

Theaetetus: "People who lost an arm" would be damaged enough that they would bring suit on their own, so there's really no need for a class action, by definition.
Or, are you suggesting that they shouldn't be able to bring suit? Lose an arm, only get to sue if you can find a whole group of similarly injured people?


I'm not suggesting the latter. Basically my tests for a class action would be:
1. Is it worth suing about? If no, then drop it.
2. Are there a lot of people who are in the same situation? No - individual suit(s). Yes - class action, to settle the issue once rather than having dozens of individual trials all go over the same facts and laws and (in an ideal system...) reach the same verdict.

But I'm not a lawyer and I've now used up my 'give-a-damn' quota for this topic. I'm off to look at funny cat pictures and/or get some real work done.
 
2012-05-11 01:05:57 PM
Our 2007 something iPod was stolen from our unlocked car last year. At first I was sad. But then I realized I could uninstall iTunes permanently, and I was once again happy.
 
2012-05-11 01:19:44 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

I switched my media player to this, and I am much happier.

I have no problem syncing my iPod, and I no longer have any Apple software installed on my PC.
 
2012-05-11 01:20:10 PM

Ivo Shandor: Theaetetus: "People who lost an arm" would be damaged enough that they would bring suit on their own, so there's really no need for a class action, by definition.
Or, are you suggesting that they shouldn't be able to bring suit? Lose an arm, only get to sue if you can find a whole group of similarly injured people?

I'm not suggesting the latter. Basically my tests for a class action would be:
1. Is it worth suing about? If no, then drop it.
2. Are there a lot of people who are in the same situation? No - individual suit(s). Yes - class action, to settle the issue once rather than having dozens of individual trials all go over the same facts and laws and (in an ideal system...) reach the same verdict.


I'm Bank of America. I'll steal $10 from every account, for a net gain of billions of dollars.
1. Is it worth suing over $10? No. Dropped.

I see a flaw in your proposal.
 
2012-05-11 01:27:22 PM

Carth: Dangl1ng: Kar98: So, what's the issue then? As long as I can add content from any source to iTunes, I'm good.

Because if your OS isn't supported by iTunes, you are screwed. Using Linux, I can't update my daughter's stupid iPod that her lame ass Grandfather bought for her. I won't install iTunes just to put music on the stupid thing.

Ideally, the court should force Apple to open up the changes they made to this generation of iPods so that 3rd parties could make apps for installing music on the stupid thing.

I guessing you already tried using Floola?


Came in to say this. I'm a windows user, hate itunes, and use Floola to manage my first gen shuffle. Hell, I'm pissed I have to use the Zune software to manage my Zune...

/stop laughing, damnit.
//just replaced the battery, so it should be good for another four years.
///The zune, not the shuffle
////seriously, stop laughing
 
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