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(Bloomberg)   No one wants Facebook stock   (bloomberg.com) divider line 85
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2012-05-11 08:13:39 AM
Yes, it's 2012 and Facebook is popular. Everyone is on it. And in 5 years from now, very possible everyone could still have an account but never use it.
 
2012-05-11 08:15:35 AM
Doesn't anyone remember the dot com bubble?!
 
2012-05-11 08:15:47 AM
Zuckerberg will be selling carnations on the freeway offramp.
 
2012-05-11 08:16:02 AM
But..but.. I thought Facebook stock demand was HOT HOT HOT:(
 
2012-05-11 08:18:43 AM
Even if it blows up huge, I would feel dirty making money on it. So pass.
 
2012-05-11 08:19:00 AM
Someone is eventually going to create something as functional as facebook, only with an emphasis on privacy, and facebook will go the way of myspace overnight.
 
2012-05-11 08:20:12 AM

jiaxiaobo: Yes, it's 2012 and Facebook is popular. Everyone is on it. And in 5 years from now, very possible everyone could still have an account but never use it.


brainlordmesomorph: Doesn't anyone remember the dot com bubble?!


Jake Havechek: Zuckerberg will be selling carnations on the freeway offramp.


Careful guys, you'll have Zuckerberg's resident ball lickers in here asking what market research you've done to come to that conclusion.

And they don't take "logical thinking" as an aswer.

/this IPO and subsequent fall of Facebook is gonna be HILARIOUS to watch
 
2012-05-11 08:22:38 AM

Jake Havechek: Zuckerberg will be selling carnations on the freeway offramp.


I'm kinda hoping he ends up desperate enough to sell his organs. And loses track of them.

/Whoops!
//I know, kinda unlikely
 
2012-05-11 08:22:56 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Someone is eventually going to create something as functional as facebook, only with an emphasis on privacy, and facebook will go the way of myspace overnight.


You think Facebook users, who post every detail of their life online, give a shiat about privacy?
 
2012-05-11 08:24:06 AM

The Muthaship: Even if it blows up huge, I would feel dirty making money on it. So pass.


Sell short. Especially if they're right and it ends up less institutional and more retail. If that is true there will be a pop, and then a POP!
 
2012-05-11 08:24:07 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Someone is eventually going to create something as functional as facebook, only with an emphasis on privacy, and facebook will go the way of myspace overnight.


Unfortunately it will be a paid service (they can't make money if they can't sell ads or information) which means that people will not choose to use it.
 
2012-05-11 08:24:33 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Someone is eventually going to create something as functional as facebook, only with an emphasis on privacy, and facebook will go the way of myspace overnight.


There's no money to be made in privacy (in this kind of service). The people who really care about privacy have it already by not signing up for the product, and the money to be made is off advertising and/or harvesting personal data for that advertising.

Facebook will most likely go the way of MySpace sooner or later, but it won't be privacy (or lack there of), causing it.
 
2012-05-11 08:24:53 AM
Those poor fools. Only a two-and-a-half billion dollar increase in sales this year? FOOLS. ALL OF THEM.
 
2012-05-11 08:25:25 AM

Jake Havechek: Zuckerberg will be selling carnations on the freeway offramp.


The only thing I'd buy from a guy on an offramp is soft pretzels.
 
2012-05-11 08:28:06 AM

TheHumanCannonball: J. Frank Parnell: Someone is eventually going to create something as functional as facebook, only with an emphasis on privacy, and facebook will go the way of myspace overnight.

There's no money to be made in privacy (in this kind of service). The people who really care about privacy have it already by not signing up for the product, and the money to be made is off advertising and/or harvesting personal data for that advertising.

Facebook will most likely go the way of MySpace sooner or later, but it won't be privacy (or lack there of), causing it.


What's that quote? Giving up freedom for a little security and you'll have neither? People give up privacy so easily for convenience and sharing baby photos.
 
2012-05-11 08:34:48 AM
I guess the Obvious tag is off taking a leak.

TheHumanCannonball: Facebook will most likely definitely go the way of MySpace sooner or later, but it won't be privacy (or lack there of), causing it.


FTFY. Facebook will be one of those stocks one buys, holds until the price peak, and then dumps. When the big investors do this, they will do so electronically and by the time the schmuck, small market players can respond, it will be too late.
 
2012-05-11 08:35:54 AM
Social Media IPOs busts are going to be the new dot com bust.

Because I definitely want something in my portfolio that produces nothing, charges its main customer base nothing, and makes its money by selling spamvertisements to their userbase and constantly producing bad press by encroaching on their privacy? That's a solid long-term strategy.

No thanks.
 
2012-05-11 08:39:13 AM
No one in their right mind would buy IPO stock of a company for which there are so many unknows, and for which those unknowns appear to change on a daily basis. Especially on ewhich is garnering talk of such large figures. That big an offering surrounding that much instability is a recipe for disaster. I predict a whole lot of people who buy IPO Facebook will lose their shirts...even the short sellers stand a chance at getting screwed on this.

Oh, and brainlordmesomorph, the answer is no. Well, they remember it, but they ignore it. The mantra of the stock market is "Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance". Sadly, most investors only pay attention to that as a warning that you may not make as much money on something as others have, and they miss completely the importance of the key word "reliable", and the obvious implication that sometimes past performance is most definitely an indicator of future performance.

The second kick from a mule is not a learning experience. Facebook IPO investors will get exactly what they deserve.
 
2012-05-11 08:39:30 AM
Worth more:
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2012-05-11 08:40:04 AM

DerAppie: Unfortunately it will be a paid service (they can't make money if they can't sell ads or information) which means that people will not choose to use it.


You offer people a free trial, run lots of ads criticising facebook, and then maybe give people the choice between a pay service and ads. For $1 a month it could work.

I would do it but I don't know anything about starting an internet company. But I'm sure lots of other social networks are getting ready to take a shot at the champ. And I reckon the champ will go down after a couple of punches. Especially once I have to switch to f*cking timeline.
 
2012-05-11 08:41:35 AM
So facebook is worth the equivalent of over 100 NFL Franchises? Hmm, not buying into it sorry!
 
2012-05-11 08:41:38 AM
Zuckerberg is a cock. I can't wait to see his little empire crumble around him.
 
2012-05-11 08:45:37 AM
Yeah, sure Facebook is fun for some folks, and it capitalized on being a slightly cooler MySpace, but once it's popularity fades because something better comes along, that will be it, and shares will be as valuable as buggy whip futures.

It's a little longer lasting than a fad, but a fad it is. You can only re-invent the wheel so many times.
 
2012-05-11 08:46:04 AM

duffman13: Social Media IPOs busts are going to be the new dot com bust.

Because I definitely want something in my portfolio that produces nothing, charges its main customer base nothing, and makes its money by selling spamvertisements to their userbase and constantly producing bad press by encroaching on their privacy? That's a solid long-term strategy.

No thanks.


Heh. This. Also looking forward to see shorters taking it in the balls on this one.
 
2012-05-11 08:47:05 AM

StrangeQ: Zuckerberg is a cock. I can't wait to see his little empire crumble around him.


Back in the mid-90s people awaited with eager anticipation the imminent demise of one Bill Gates and his evil monopolistic empire.

I agree with the posters here, FB is due for a fall.

But thats not always the end of the story.

Otoh, Microsoft always did have a revenue stream that was not ad-dependent.

Now they have several.
 
2012-05-11 08:48:22 AM
IT'S A GLORIFIED MESSAGE BOARD!
 
2012-05-11 08:48:48 AM

StrangeQ: Zuckerberg is a cock. I can't wait to see his little empire crumble around him.


He will have cashed out long before this happens. He's say he wants to go on to do something different. Everyone else will be using their Facebook stock to light the fireplace.
 
2012-05-11 08:49:05 AM

brainlordmesomorph: Doesn't anyone remember the dot com bubble?!


This time is different, you have to think beyond the fundamentals.

...or something, whatever worked to sucker them in last time.

Also, for those thinking of shorting I give you Keynes: "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent."
 
2012-05-11 08:49:48 AM
You'll have an initial price rise as everybody is greedily grabbing for shares of the new hot thing. Then real investors will drop the stock at the peak since it doesn't have strong fundamental numbers. The average guy will be stuck with a stock that's valued at lets say 25% of what he bought it for. Rich get richer, poor get poorer.

Just an average day of business-as-usual for the stock market.
 
2012-05-11 08:55:13 AM
Since everyone seems to be against it, I'm for it.
 
2012-05-11 08:59:27 AM
Facebook have recently hinted at the *brilliant* strategy they are going to use to monetize all those users they have.

It's based on the premise that people who want others to see their inane babble might actually want to pay for the privilege.

Cue Ha Ha guy.

Link
 
2012-05-11 09:00:35 AM
Please I'll just use my life savings to buy his stock and then Mark will somehow steal it from me and everyone else. Then there will be a class action lawsuit against him and everyone will be forced to settle for pennies on the dollar because we can't match the money he has backing him "our money" he made using our investment.......No thank you!
 
2012-05-11 09:01:49 AM
Zynga > Facebook
 
2012-05-11 09:03:01 AM

bonzeemer: But..but.. I thought Facebook stock demand was HOT HOT HOT:(


Buy and sell, Mortimer. Buy and sell.

Seriously though, it's overvalued and everyone who buys Failbook stock is going to take a bath if they don't dump it very quickly.
 
2012-05-11 09:03:17 AM
We have over 8 billion users!!!!


So your company has no growth potential?


SHUT UP YOU COCK!
 
2012-05-11 09:04:17 AM

PanicMan: You'll have an initial price rise as everybody is greedily grabbing for shares of the new hot thing. Then real investors will drop the stock at the peak since it doesn't have strong fundamental numbers. The average guy will be stuck with a stock that's valued at lets say 25% of what he bought it for. Rich get richer, poor get poorer.

Just an average day of business-as-usual for the stock market.


I see you understand. Remember the day traders? Yeah, they got played like a dime store fiddle. The stock market is like a rigged roulette table.
 
2012-05-11 09:05:30 AM
They're seeking a valuation at 24 times revenue? Just because they have people's data and photos? They get more money from selling the right to advertise then from the actual clickies through them, I can't believe they're being valued past Disney and every other real company.
 
2012-05-11 09:10:22 AM

Joafu: They're seeking a valuation at 24 times revenue? Just because they have people's data and photos?


Buy 100 shares, or we send your grandparents that photo of you drunk and making out with the "girl" you met at the bar.
 
2012-05-11 09:12:20 AM
LOL Poor Schmuckerberg! Facebook is a pox on humanity, avoid at all costs!!!
 
2012-05-11 09:15:40 AM

Joafu: They're seeking a valuation at 24 times revenue? Just because they have people's data and photos? They get more money from selling the right to advertise then from the actual clickies through them, I can't believe they're being valued past Disney and every other real company.


Seems like TRW has a whole lot more information about people and not nearly the valuation. Maybe it is the lack of vacation photos?
 
2012-05-11 09:18:04 AM

JackieRabbit: StrangeQ: Zuckerberg is a cock. I can't wait to see his little empire crumble around him.

He will have cashed out long before this happens. He's say he wants to go on to do something different. Everyone else will be using their Facebook stock to light the fireplace.


Sadly. Of course, admittedly, a lot of this is also just jealousy. But beyond that, there's just so much of the FB modus operandi that I can't stand that I really would like to see it go. Not for the networking aspects, that is something the internet should foster. But the idea that all of your online social contact should be funneled through a central nexus controled by a meglomaniac that has no problems mining and selling the users' information because most of them are to uninformed or unconcerned to really care is not something I believe we need.
 
2012-05-11 09:22:13 AM

jiaxiaobo: Yes, it's 2012 and Facebook is popular. Everyone is on it. And in 5 years from now, very possible everyone could still have an account but never use it.


Exactly. The internet is fickle.

Also, facebook keeps doing things that piss people off like tricking them to use "timeline" etc.

Facebook is like 70 years old in internet years.
 
2012-05-11 09:22:27 AM
FB stock demand is like a cross between Heisenberg's cat and midget porn.

We don't know if it's alive or dead but no one will admit they would actually want it.
 
2012-05-11 09:33:34 AM
I'm watching this with keen interest. Facebook's model (and the "new" internet in general) is different than ever before. They're not selling anything but YOU. You are the product, not the consumer. It's certainly the wave of the future, but I'm not sure it's going to be as smooth as many hope it will be.

/This was one of the big issues of the 2012 HDI conference last month. Interesting stuff
 
2012-05-11 09:37:34 AM

bonzeemer: But..but.. I thought Facebook stock demand was HOT HOT HOT:(


not not not
 
2012-05-11 09:38:46 AM
Answer: Smear campaign against Zuckburg for daring to show up in a hoodie and not bow to the Wall Street gods.
 
2012-05-11 09:39:00 AM

Hagbardr: The only thing I'd buy from a guy on an offramp is soft pretzels.


I picked up some delicious tacos from an offramp guy on my way into work this morning. They guy said they were chicken. They were fantast... uh ... wait ... back in a jiffy!
 
2012-05-11 09:41:34 AM
People thought clicking "like" meant they were buying the stock.
 
2012-05-11 09:47:11 AM
www.11points.com

In the end, it's about how much copper wiring you can get out of the building with.
 
2012-05-11 09:50:28 AM

DerAppie: Unfortunately it will be a paid service (they can't make money if they can't sell ads or information) which means that people will not choose to use it.


Just renting ad space on a website that many millions of people visit daily will make everyone involved rich. You don't have to get rabid about making as much money as possible.
 
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