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2012-05-11 10:46:07 AM

BioStormX: I have no intention of upgrading from 7 to 8. 7 works too perfectly for me to bother with the cost of upgrade, especially with them forcing the metro UI down my throat. I don't want to have to install third party mods and crap just to have the simple start menu back.


You mean like windows 7? Only way I have found to get the simple start menu back is through 3rd party software. Other than that and you can't click your browser in the task bar to open a second browser I like it. I preferred the old task bar.
 
2012-05-11 10:46:46 AM

cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.


Actually no, its going to be an App store like system for Metro where you have a number of apps to choose from which will run on any Windows 8 device. If Microsoft isn't allowing other browsers in ARM they aren't allowing other browsers in Metro apps. So this affects anyone who wishes to primarily stay in the Metro interface, which many businesses might, as it is safer from a virus standpoint. Apple locked out competing browsers at first in iOS, then they changed their stance, hopefully Microsoft will change, but I doubt it.
 
2012-05-11 10:49:01 AM

Hand Banana: xalres: Gothnet: Keeping other companies' software, whatever it is, off the tablet or away from the 'good' API calls could turn out to be illegal also, if it can be shown that this was done to edge out the competition.

I'm curious as to why this is such a big issue now that MS is talking about doing it. Apple and Google have been doing this with their phones and tablets for years now and nobody's really been talking about how anti-competitive they're being.

Basically no one has a monopoly on phones and tablets. That's why legally Microsoft can do this, even though everyone will scream about it while happily using Apple products who do the same thing. Microsoft became the villain when they abused their desktop OS monopoly back in the day and they are still seen as evil by many people.

Which is sad because companies like Apple and Google have been far more evil lately than Microsoft but hardly anyone cares.


OK, I can see the argument for Apple considering that their "walled garden" is vendor lock-in on a scale MS could only dream of, but what the hell has Google done that ranks on the same scale as Microsoft?
 
2012-05-11 10:49:22 AM

Millennium: Spawn_of_Cthulhu: As a non-programmer, I guess I can't understand why Chrome and Firefox can't just write versions of the software that will work on ARM. They have versions for both Windows and Mac, right? Can someone explain why that wouldn't work?

The chip isn't the problem. Both Firefox and Chrome can be compiled to run on ARM chips. The problem here is the operating system.

Right now, Windows and Mac don't actually try to block other browsers from running. It sounds like WinRT 8 might do this, though. When an OS is actively trying to stop you from running, getting around those blocks can become a big problem.


They mentioned Win32 libraries. These allow low level programming which makes a program faster and smaller. If they do not expose these (or something LIKE them) then writing something like a browser would be pretty close to impossible (at least not a browser anyone would want to use or could fit on their machine).

The current development framework MS is pushing is dot net, which is a rip off of Java. It's a good framework for small to medium stuff (business junk like I write where performance does not matter) but since it is never actually compiled (or compiled every-single-time-the app-runs) it will get destroyed by a native application performance-wise.
 
2012-05-11 10:51:32 AM
Like making FORD use a Chevy parts. Dont like it? MAke your own damn operating system!!
 
2012-05-11 10:52:07 AM

mothak: I have no interest in doing complex modelling or detailed spreadsheets using a tablet in the foreseeable future. Something tells me that you don't use a computer at work for anything more than email and fark.


You understand the idea is to make tablets dock with other peripherals, right? It's already happening. Look at the Transformer line from Asus. You can dock to a clamshell keyboard with touchpad, attach a mouse if you want, output via HDMI to a monitor/TV with Office support. VM solutions are springing up such as PlayOn's mobile desktop that let you use a full Office suite. Think tanks like Gartner are even playing up this trending as "[blank] as a service" gets more prevalence in the market.

It's not a certainty that desktops are going to die in the near future, for sure. But to say they will never go away as the dominant computing platform shows a severe lack of forecasting.
 
2012-05-11 10:52:43 AM

Joe Blowme: Like making FORD use a Chevy parts. Dont like it? MAke your own damn operating system!!


Nobody's going to stop me from dropping a Chevy engine into a Ford. Your analogy is broken.
 
2012-05-11 10:53:08 AM

MindStalker: Apple locked out competing browsers at first in iOS, then they changed their stance, hopefully Microsoft will change, but I doubt it.


Apple's default stance is anti-competitive - they'll lock out browsers until someone threatens. They'll lock out Google Voice, until someone threatens a suit. They'll ban publishers, and open it up when the insulted party dies.

Eventually someone is going to get pissed off enough that a policy change isn't going to be enough, and they'll demand past damages.

Eventually a government agency will have enough evidence that this is a pattern of behavior and act against it.
 
2012-05-11 10:53:30 AM

HeartBurnKid: OK, I can see the argument for Apple considering that their "walled garden" is vendor lock-in on a scale MS could only dream of, but what the hell has Google done that ranks on the same scale as Microsoft?


The recent Wi-Fi snooping thing comes to mind. Also their cloud storage service where they put in the terms of use that they own everything you upload and can do whatever they want with it (not sure if they ever changed that after the outcry). Google is a marketing company, they exist for the sole purpose of harvesting your personal information and selling it.
 
2012-05-11 10:55:10 AM
Microsoft learned it monopolitistic anti-competitive practices from the best.

www.aerojockey.com
 
2012-05-11 10:57:56 AM
Given that Windows 8 is going to be a failure that makes Microsoft Bob look like a runaway blockbuster, I don't think this is going to be a problem.
 
2012-05-11 10:58:45 AM

Skyfrog: Based on what I've seen of Windows 8 so far I'll probably be sticking with 7 until they kill off support for it. That will be a very long time, and by then I bet Linux will be so good it won't matter anymore.


LOL don't hold your breath. The linux-heads have been saying that for 20 years and it's still behind in terms of being usable on a desktop.

I agree about win7 though. No reason to look at win8 at all as it's very well done, doesn't get in the way and just works.
 
2012-05-11 10:58:48 AM

JackieRabbit: I'll bet you still have a rotary phone because those newfangled touch-tone phones are just stripped down junk bought by chumps.

Full-sized desktops and laptops are what is going to die. They will not be needed in five to 10 years. Apple and others are already working on tablets that will wirelessly integrate with peripherals so that they can serve as desktops. In fact, Apple's about 90% there already. iPad is a prototype of things to come.


No, my wife made me by an Android. It's okay. I can't see desktops ever really going away because why wouldn't a computer perform better with all that space? It's really keen (I guess) that you can cram a computer into something small but could you not cram MORE into a desktop? And make it user upgradable? With lots of fans and heat sinks to keep the heat down on high performance hardware?
 
2012-05-11 10:58:57 AM

Hand Banana: HeartBurnKid: OK, I can see the argument for Apple considering that their "walled garden" is vendor lock-in on a scale MS could only dream of, but what the hell has Google done that ranks on the same scale as Microsoft?

The recent Wi-Fi snooping thing comes to mind. Also their cloud storage service where they put in the terms of use that they own everything you upload and can do whatever they want with it (not sure if they ever changed that after the outcry). Google is a marketing company, they exist for the sole purpose of harvesting your personal information and selling it.


What ever happened to the old Google? You know, the one that lived by the motto "don't be evil."
 
2012-05-11 11:03:18 AM

HeartBurnKid: Joe Blowme: Like making FORD use a Chevy parts. Dont like it? MAke your own damn operating system!!

Nobody's going to stop me from dropping a Chevy engine into a Ford. Your analogy is broken.


Doesnt matter, if ford set up theior cars to not work with a chevy you cant sue them for it. THINK, its what your brain is for dude
 
2012-05-11 11:03:30 AM

HeartBurnKid: Hand Banana: xalres: Gothnet: Keeping other companies' software, whatever it is, off the tablet or away from the 'good' API calls could turn out to be illegal also, if it can be shown that this was done to edge out the competition.

I'm curious as to why this is such a big issue now that MS is talking about doing it. Apple and Google have been doing this with their phones and tablets for years now and nobody's really been talking about how anti-competitive they're being.

Basically no one has a monopoly on phones and tablets. That's why legally Microsoft can do this, even though everyone will scream about it while happily using Apple products who do the same thing. Microsoft became the villain when they abused their desktop OS monopoly back in the day and they are still seen as evil by many people.

Which is sad because companies like Apple and Google have been far more evil lately than Microsoft but hardly anyone cares.

OK, I can see the argument for Apple considering that their "walled garden" is vendor lock-in on a scale MS could only dream of, but what the hell has Google done that ranks on the same scale as Microsoft?


Collecting SSIDs, MAC addresses and other information (including traffic and emails from unsecured networks) from people's wireless networks as their street view cars drove past for starters. Their response was "Yeah, but we won't use that information for anything untoward, trust us."
 
2012-05-11 11:03:39 AM

GoGoGadgetLiver: I don't see anyone whining that Chromebooks won't load a separate browser, or iOS, or Android.


Because they DO. Sheesh.
 
2012-05-11 11:04:34 AM

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: As a non-programmer, I guess I can't understand why Chrome and Firefox can't just write versions of the software that will work on ARM. They have versions for both Windows and Mac, right? Can someone explain why that wouldn't work?


There is an explanation in the article, if you read it.
 
2012-05-11 11:05:11 AM

Slam Dunkz: LOL don't hold your breath. The linux-heads have been saying that for 20 years and it's still behind in terms of being usable on a desktop.


Have you actually used it recently or are you just repeating decades old complaints about it. The last time I tried it was a few years ago and it was quite usable on the desktop. What about it is giving you trouble? Just curious, because I thought it worked fine.
 
2012-05-11 11:07:09 AM

This About That: This is why tablet and smartphone software is toy-like and restrictive.


And nothing to do with battery power, smaller screens, and touch interfaces.
 
2012-05-11 11:07:50 AM
Anybody have a report from a more reliable source? I don't trust Fake News.
 
2012-05-11 11:08:22 AM
Worst case scenario - Google writes a REAL operating system (not just a glorified browser). It would be nice to have a choice other than Windows, Apple and that dysfunctional pile of ancient, unfinished garbage Unix (linux, ubuntu, on and on ad nausea).
 
2012-05-11 11:10:39 AM

Hand Banana: Slam Dunkz: LOL don't hold your breath. The linux-heads have been saying that for 20 years and it's still behind in terms of being usable on a desktop.

Have you actually used it recently or are you just repeating decades old complaints about it. The last time I tried it was a few years ago and it was quite usable on the desktop. What about it is giving you trouble? Just curious, because I thought it worked fine.


I have Ubuntu on my laptop. If you ain't a techie, it ain't happening.
 
2012-05-11 11:10:50 AM

GoGoGadgetLiver: The Metro UI is actually driven by the browser engine. If they want to offer a fast and reliable UI they will need control over it. Let them whine all they want but I'm glad Microsoft is doing this. You can still put your own browser in, it just won't run the main UI of the operating system.

I don't see anyone whining that Chromebooks won't load a separate browser, or iOS, or Android.

Get over it.


You've never owned an iphone or android phone have you?
 
2012-05-11 11:11:27 AM

spentmiles: Internet Explorer does everything that I need it to do, like my taxes and banking, reports sports scores, and even gives me new recipes to try. I don't see why anyone would need any other browser because IE seems to have everything you can imagine inside of it. I've heard that Firefox doesn't even have Bing because it is too complex to run on the Mozilla OS. And believe me, as a Federal Judge, I take all of this into consideration when I rule on these cases.


i605.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-11 11:14:14 AM

hitlersbrain: They mentioned Win32 libraries. These allow low level programming which makes a program faster and smaller. If they do not expose these (or something LIKE them) then writing something like a browser would be pretty close to impossible (at least not a browser anyone would want to use or could fit on their machine).


Actually, libraries exist to enable higher-level programming, not lower-level programming, but other than that, you've got a good point here.

Hmm. So it's a matter of Win32 libraries not existing on WinRT. Does this mean we're going to need a port of Wine to Windows?
 
2012-05-11 11:16:07 AM
www.moviefancentral.com
 
2012-05-11 11:16:51 AM

CheekyMonkey: Jument: CheekyMonkey: cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.

Did cman read the whole article? Including the part where it was stated that ARM chips are expected to be used in laptop and desktop systems as well, and that they were already being used in servers?

\guess not

You would not want to install RT on a desktop. It will be very limited. You cannot install arbitrary Win32 applications that you'd typically install on your desktop. For example, games, photo-editing software, development tools, you name it.

I've got an Android tablet that I'm pretty happy with, so I don't really care about this whole "controversy". It just kind of annoys me when someone who clearly hasn't read the whole article accuses some one else of not having read it.


Did you stop to think that perhaps when they say that laptops and desktops are "expected" to be using ARM chips that perhaps that is merely speculation and not a gospel fact? The x86 architecture is not going to go anywhere anytime soon (if ever). ARM chips just aren't robust enough to handle what a standard desktop/laptop CPU can. And for the issue of them stating that servers are using ARM chips, that's more than likely used simply for back-end, low level processing to alleviate some pressure from the main CPU; possibly to reduce power consumption as well. There is no possible way a main production server is going to rely solely on an ARM processor, it's just not going to happen. Stop acting like someone pissed in your Cheerios.
 
2012-05-11 11:17:39 AM

GoGoGadgetLiver: The Metro UI is actually driven by the browser engine. If they want to offer a fast and reliable UI they will need control over it. Let them whine all they want but I'm glad Microsoft is doing this. You can still put your own browser in, it just won't run the main UI of the operating system.

I don't see anyone whining that Chromebooks won't load a separate browser, or iOS, or Android.

Get over it.


I don't know about iOS, but I can run many different browsers on my Android device, and do.
 
2012-05-11 11:18:26 AM
My crystal ball is crying out massive losses for every OEM dumb enough to ship Windows 8. It will be transformational for the industry, and many companies will not survive the transition.
 
2012-05-11 11:22:44 AM

Hand Banana: HeartBurnKid: OK, I can see the argument for Apple considering that their "walled garden" is vendor lock-in on a scale MS could only dream of, but what the hell has Google done that ranks on the same scale as Microsoft?

The recent Wi-Fi snooping thing comes to mind. Also their cloud storage service where they put in the terms of use that they own everything you upload and can do whatever they want with it (not sure if they ever changed that after the outcry). Google is a marketing company, they exist for the sole purpose of harvesting your personal information and selling it.


You're talking about apples and oranges here. Those practices are wrong, to be sure, but we're talking about locked platforms here. Android is open to a fault.
 
2012-05-11 11:24:41 AM

Hand Banana: Slam Dunkz: LOL don't hold your breath. The linux-heads have been saying that for 20 years and it's still behind in terms of being usable on a desktop.

Have you actually used it recently or are you just repeating decades old complaints about it. The last time I tried it was a few years ago and it was quite usable on the desktop. What about it is giving you trouble? Just curious, because I thought it worked fine.


I've been using it since I was Comp Sci student 20 years ago. Every few years I give it a try again to see where it's at. It's functional, it's a great server OS, but it's a second-rate desktop experience. That's the way it's been for the last 20 years and it's not going to ever catch up because that's what it's always doing. Responding to changes in the "real" desktop OSes and trying to mimic them.
 
2012-05-11 11:25:03 AM

MindStalker: cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.

Actually no, its going to be an App store like system for Metro where you have a number of apps to choose from which will run on any Windows 8 device. If Microsoft isn't allowing other browsers in ARM they aren't allowing other browsers in Metro apps. So this affects anyone who wishes to primarily stay in the Metro interface, which many businesses might, as it is safer from a virus standpoint. Apple locked out competing browsers at first in iOS, then they changed their stance, hopefully Microsoft will change, but I doubt it.


Actually no, it's going to be for Windows Classic. Here, I'll help.

FTA:

"prohibits any browser but Internet Explorer from running the classic Windows desktop."

The MetroUI and Windows Classic are two separate things. And from a business standpoint, MetroUI would be a productivity abortion. There's a reason major corporations aren't using iPads and Android tablets for data creation. For data consumption, tablets can't be beat (cost wise). But if you want your workers to actually work, a slick MetroUI, iOS, Android system isn't going to do it.
 
2012-05-11 11:26:22 AM

HeartBurnKid: Hand Banana: HeartBurnKid: OK, I can see the argument for Apple considering that their "walled garden" is vendor lock-in on a scale MS could only dream of, but what the hell has Google done that ranks on the same scale as Microsoft?

The recent Wi-Fi snooping thing comes to mind. Also their cloud storage service where they put in the terms of use that they own everything you upload and can do whatever they want with it (not sure if they ever changed that after the outcry). Google is a marketing company, they exist for the sole purpose of harvesting your personal information and selling it.

You're talking about apples and oranges here. Those practices are wrong, to be sure, but we're talking about locked platforms here. Android is open to a fault.


Evil practices are evil, it doesn't have to involve locking platforms. So because Android is open you are ok with all the other crap that Google does?
 
2012-05-11 11:26:36 AM

Millennium: Hmm. So it's a matter of Win32 libraries not existing on WinRT. Does this mean we're going to need a port of Wine to Windows?


Pretty sure it's more along the lines of Metro Apps being restricted to an API subset, and MS not allowing non-Metro apps onto the system from third parties, in WinRT.

Also, sorry, it's pedantic but..... Wine isn't going to help, it only runs on x86 hardware. It implements a lot of windows interfaces and runs windows programs, but it's not a CPU emulator. For instance you can't run it on linux on arm, sparc, itanium etc.
 
2012-05-11 11:30:31 AM
Don't really care about the browser much, as long as it doesn't constantly redirect me to Bing - what a sack of crap that is.

Except for their attitude, their ineptitude, and their bloated slug of what they call code slammed out by the 10,000 monkeys they have locked in a room, I have no issues with MSoft.
 
2012-05-11 11:31:04 AM

Gothnet: Millennium: Hmm. So it's a matter of Win32 libraries not existing on WinRT. Does this mean we're going to need a port of Wine to Windows?

Pretty sure it's more along the lines of Metro Apps being restricted to an API subset, and MS not allowing non-Metro apps onto the system from third parties, in WinRT.

Also, sorry, it's pedantic but..... Wine isn't going to help, it only runs on x86 hardware. It implements a lot of windows interfaces and runs windows programs, but it's not a CPU emulator. For instance you can't run it on linux on arm, sparc, itanium etc.


It can run on any platform that it is ported to.

http://wiki.winehq.org/ARM
 
2012-05-11 11:32:22 AM

Hand Banana: Gothnet: Millennium: Hmm. So it's a matter of Win32 libraries not existing on WinRT. Does this mean we're going to need a port of Wine to Windows?

Pretty sure it's more along the lines of Metro Apps being restricted to an API subset, and MS not allowing non-Metro apps onto the system from third parties, in WinRT.

Also, sorry, it's pedantic but..... Wine isn't going to help, it only runs on x86 hardware. It implements a lot of windows interfaces and runs windows programs, but it's not a CPU emulator. For instance you can't run it on linux on arm, sparc, itanium etc.

It can run on any platform that it is ported to.


Nevermind, I misread your post. You're right it would not be able to run x86 apps on ARM.
 
2012-05-11 11:33:27 AM

Hand Banana: HeartBurnKid: Hand Banana: HeartBurnKid: OK, I can see the argument for Apple considering that their "walled garden" is vendor lock-in on a scale MS could only dream of, but what the hell has Google done that ranks on the same scale as Microsoft?

The recent Wi-Fi snooping thing comes to mind. Also their cloud storage service where they put in the terms of use that they own everything you upload and can do whatever they want with it (not sure if they ever changed that after the outcry). Google is a marketing company, they exist for the sole purpose of harvesting your personal information and selling it.

You're talking about apples and oranges here. Those practices are wrong, to be sure, but we're talking about locked platforms here. Android is open to a fault.

Evil practices are evil, it doesn't have to involve locking platforms. So because Android is open you are ok with all the other crap that Google does?


No, but we're discussing locked platforms here. That is the subject of this thread; that Microsoft is locking down their platform. Again, we're talking about apples, and you're talking about oranges.
 
2012-05-11 11:33:53 AM

Drasancas: The problem is that of a monopoly. To do so on the desktop/laptop OS would essentially establish one, outside of the tiny Mac/Linux shares.

Doing so on one of their little devices doesn't. There's so many tablet devices available, it's not funny.


This bears repeating. Microsoft doesn't have anywhere near a monopoly on mobile devices like it does on desktops and notebooks.
 
2012-05-11 11:34:28 AM
Imagine if the NT branch of Windows was never conceived where we'd be at.. I loved NT4 and laughed at my friends for years and years who were suffering with Windows 95, 98, and Me. While I was going weeks without rebooting on NT4 or Win2k.
 
2012-05-11 11:35:51 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: This bears repeating. Microsoft doesn't have anywhere near a monopoly on mobile devices like it does on desktops and notebooks.


And it probably won't unless you like attaching a car battery to your cell phones.

/nothing worse than repeating bears
 
2012-05-11 11:37:30 AM

HeartBurnKid: Hand Banana: HeartBurnKid: Hand Banana: HeartBurnKid: OK, I can see the argument for Apple considering that their "walled garden" is vendor lock-in on a scale MS could only dream of, but what the hell has Google done that ranks on the same scale as Microsoft?

The recent Wi-Fi snooping thing comes to mind. Also their cloud storage service where they put in the terms of use that they own everything you upload and can do whatever they want with it (not sure if they ever changed that after the outcry). Google is a marketing company, they exist for the sole purpose of harvesting your personal information and selling it.

You're talking about apples and oranges here. Those practices are wrong, to be sure, but we're talking about locked platforms here. Android is open to a fault.

Evil practices are evil, it doesn't have to involve locking platforms. So because Android is open you are ok with all the other crap that Google does?

No, but we're discussing locked platforms here. That is the subject of this thread; that Microsoft is locking down their platform. Again, we're talking about apples, and you're talking about oranges.


No, I was saying that companies like Apple and Google are routinely doing things just as underhanded as Microsoft ever did back in the old days, and you're being an Android fanboy and trying deny that your precious Google does anything wrong with your apples and oranges nonsense.
 
2012-05-11 11:40:47 AM
Valve's Gabe Newell Talks Linux Steam Client, Source Engine
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfn u deln&num=1

"Valve and Gabe Newell's interest in Linux goes beyond what would be expected of any normal game company, but Valve is certainly a unique beast. Listening to Gabe Newell talk about Linux for hours made me wonder whether he was a former ex-Microsoft employee (where he actually did work in his pre-Valve days in the 90's) or the director of the Linux Foundation. His level of Linux interest and commitment was incredible while his negativity for Windows 8 and the future of Microsoft was stunning. In fact, as soon as I return to my office this weekend I plan to try out Windows 8 simply to see if it's as bad as Gabe state"

Bottom line, M$ is cutting their own throat. They have just driven away their most important developer, and he's a Linux fan. Where the games go, the users will follow. I only use Win7 for two things, games and Blu-ray, and I can buy a cheap blu-ray player if the game devs start doing everything in OpenGL/OpenCL.
 
2012-05-11 11:40:53 AM

HatMadeOfAss: CheekyMonkey: Jument: CheekyMonkey: cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.

Did cman read the whole article? Including the part where it was stated that ARM chips are expected to be used in laptop and desktop systems as well, and that they were already being used in servers?

\guess not

You would not want to install RT on a desktop. It will be very limited. You cannot install arbitrary Win32 applications that you'd typically install on your desktop. For example, games, photo-editing software, development tools, you name it.

I've got an Android tablet that I'm pretty happy with, so I don't really care about this whole "controversy". It just kind of annoys me when someone who clearly hasn't read the whole article accuses some one else of not having read it.

Did you stop to think that perhaps when they say that laptops and desktops are "expected" to be using ARM chips that perhaps that is merely speculation and not a gospel fact? The x86 architecture is not going to go anywhere anytime soon (if ever). ARM chips just aren't robust enough to handle what a standard desktop/laptop CPU can. And for the issue of them stating that servers are using ARM chips, that's more than likely used simply for back-end, low level processing to alleviate some pressure from the main CPU; possibly to reduce power consumption as well. There is no possible way a main production server is going to rely solely on an ARM processor, it's just not going to happen. Stop acting like someone pissed in your Cheerios.


Again, I don't really care about the whole issue. I was just busting cman's balls. Please check the website on which you are currently posting. Does it say Fark.com? If so, get a grip, and stop pretending that I pissed in your Cheerios.
 
2012-05-11 11:41:22 AM

ThreeEdgedSword: [i789.photobucket.com image 640x402]


I love it... @_@

In other news: Windows 8 sounds horrible.
 
2012-05-11 11:42:35 AM

rosebud_the_sled: Don't really care about the browser much, as long as it doesn't constantly redirect me to Bing - what a sack of crap that is.


If you're browser is redirecting you to Bing you simply don't have it set properly. Actually Bing isn't that bad, its results are usually as good as Google and in some cases better, though overall Google still has the edge. There is supposed to be a big upgrade to Bing coming soon also. Now this is for the US though, in other countries I understand that Bing really sucks.
 
2012-05-11 11:45:43 AM
Anyone stupid enough to buy an OS with that hideous Metro UI (I know! Let's make Windows look like Wired Magazine from the 1990's! That's the ticket!) deserves to get stuck with one browser.
 
2012-05-11 11:47:47 AM

Ed Grubermann: Anyone stupid enough to buy an OS with that hideous Metro UI (I know! Let's make Windows look like Wired Magazine from the 1990's! That's the ticket!) deserves to get stuck with one browser.


Well I do hate Metro, but the headline isn't true. You can use any browser you want on Metro, just not a classic Windows version on WinRT tablets. Desktops have no restriction at all.
 
2012-05-11 11:49:42 AM

CheekyMonkey: HatMadeOfAss: CheekyMonkey: Jument: CheekyMonkey: cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.

Did cman read the whole article? Including the part where it was stated that ARM chips are expected to be used in laptop and desktop systems as well, and that they were already being used in servers?

\guess not

You would not want to install RT on a desktop. It will be very limited. You cannot install arbitrary Win32 applications that you'd typically install on your desktop. For example, games, photo-editing software, development tools, you name it.

I've got an Android tablet that I'm pretty happy with, so I don't really care about this whole "controversy". It just kind of annoys me when someone who clearly hasn't read the whole article accuses some one else of not having read it.

Did you stop to think that perhaps when they say that laptops and desktops are "expected" to be using ARM chips that perhaps that is merely speculation and not a gospel fact? The x86 architecture is not going to go anywhere anytime soon (if ever). ARM chips just aren't robust enough to handle what a standard desktop/laptop CPU can. And for the issue of them stating that servers are using ARM chips, that's more than likely used simply for back-end, low level processing to alleviate some pressure from the main CPU; possibly to reduce power consumption as well. There is no possible way a main production server is going to rely solely on an ARM processor, it's just not going to happen. Stop acting like someone pissed in your Cheerios.

Again, I don't really care about the whole issue. I was just busting cman's balls. Please check the website on which you are currently posting. Does it say Fark.com? If so, get a grip, and stop pretending that I pissed in your Cheerios.


Don't like getting called out and subsequently proven wrong? It sucks being wrong. You should stop doing it.

/Be sure to look behind you as you backpedal
//Wouldn't want you to fall
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