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2012-05-11 08:27:10 AM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-11 08:30:50 AM  
Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.
 
2012-05-11 08:52:54 AM  
Oh Microsoft, just when I thought you were all grown up and had gotten over these kinds of adolescent antics.
 
2012-05-11 09:20:29 AM  

cman: This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.


Oh well, that makes it OK then...
 
2012-05-11 09:21:32 AM  
It's my party, I can do what I want!
 
2012-05-11 09:22:29 AM  
cdn2.digitaltrends.com
 
2012-05-11 09:22:40 AM  
I'm sure the DoJ will be VERY interested in this.

Is their new motto going to be "Microsoft: Just try to stop us now!"
 
2012-05-11 09:23:33 AM  

cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.


You can get other browsers for the iPad. I've got Opera on mine.
 
2012-05-11 09:23:42 AM  

cman: This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.


Well, sure, the most important thing is to control the next generation of computers and the next generation of the Internet. This is why tablet and smartphone software is toy-like and restrictive. Microsoft, Apple, and Google are in a race to dumb down the users and capture their habits and thinking. There will be no help from the DOJ this time.
 
2012-05-11 09:23:54 AM  

cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.


And how does that make it not anymore anti-competitive?
 
2012-05-11 09:24:33 AM  

Generation_D: Oh Microsoft, just when I thought you were all grown up and had gotten over these kinds of adolescent antics.


Apple came along and perfected Microsoft's bonehead strategy for them, so now Microsoft is going to steal it back?

And just like with Apple's stuff, it doesn't matter. It'll be broken on day one and you'll be able to sideload whatever you want.
 
2012-05-11 09:24:51 AM  
The Metro UI is actually driven by the browser engine. If they want to offer a fast and reliable UI they will need control over it. Let them whine all they want but I'm glad Microsoft is doing this. You can still put your own browser in, it just won't run the main UI of the operating system.

I don't see anyone whining that Chromebooks won't load a separate browser, or iOS, or Android.

Get over it.
 
2012-05-11 09:26:03 AM  
As a non-programmer, I guess I can't understand why Chrome and Firefox can't just write versions of the software that will work on ARM. They have versions for both Windows and Mac, right? Can someone explain why that wouldn't work?
 
2012-05-11 09:26:04 AM  
Too late, Microsoft. Android beat you to the tablet/phone market a couple of years ago.
 
2012-05-11 09:26:19 AM  
Not to mention that the other browser makers are able to create "Metro" browsers. They just won't have access to the "classic" Windows architecture and API's.
 
2012-05-11 09:26:26 AM  

cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.


Oh, well then. That totally makes it OK.

/it's not OK
 
2012-05-11 09:26:59 AM  
This just in: Windows Phone runs Internet Explorer, Android runs Chrome, iOS runs Safari.

WindowsRT is the new name for WP. Get over it.
 
2012-05-11 09:27:09 AM  

Silverstaff: cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.

You can get other browsers for the iPad. I've got Opera on mine.


You can get other browsers on the the iPad/iPhone as long as the rendering is done on a remote server(like Opera) or the "browser" is just a skin for Safari. No other native browsers allowed.
 
2012-05-11 09:27:18 AM  
MS has been watching Apple for the last 5 years and come to the understanding that the world has changed since the 1990s. The US gov't won't do a thing.
 
2012-05-11 09:27:43 AM  

Warlordtrooper: cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.

And how does that make it not anymore anti-competitive?


legislators, judges and department personnel are too unsophisticated to realize what's going on.
 
2012-05-11 09:28:40 AM  

cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.


Did cman read the whole article? Including the part where it was stated that ARM chips are expected to be used in laptop and desktop systems as well, and that they were already being used in servers?

\guess not
 
2012-05-11 09:28:52 AM  

cman: This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.


You can put other browsers on iProducts. And, some of the other browsers have better features than Safari.
 
2012-05-11 09:30:17 AM  

cman: This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.


Yay! Collusion rules!
/probably not collusion
 
2012-05-11 09:30:48 AM  
legislators, judges and department personnel are too unsophisticated to realize what's going on.

Now we know Steve Ballmer's Fark name. This has been Microsoft's position from day 1.
 
2012-05-11 09:31:08 AM  
 
2012-05-11 09:31:54 AM  
Internet Explorer does everything that I need it to do, like my taxes and banking, reports sports scores, and even gives me new recipes to try. I don't see why anyone would need any other browser because IE seems to have everything you can imagine inside of it. I've heard that Firefox doesn't even have Bing because it is too complex to run on the Mozilla OS. And believe me, as a Federal Judge, I take all of this into consideration when I rule on these cases.
 
2012-05-11 09:32:11 AM  

This About That: cman: This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.

Well, sure, the most important thing is to control the next generation of computers and the next generation of the Internet. This is why tablet and smartphone software is toy-like and restrictive. Microsoft, Apple, and Google are in a race to dumb down the users and capture their habits and thinking. There will be no help from the DOJ this time.


Help from the DOJ will come when tablets rise above the level of toy. Which, given the difficulty of using productivity applications on a 10 inch screen and no keyboard or mouse, might be never.
 
2012-05-11 09:32:42 AM  

bulldg4life: cman: This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.

You can put other browsers on iProducts. And, some of the other browsers have better features than Safari.


Not exactly. You can have browser shells that still have to use the Safari rendering engine(like all the IE shells that were so popular back in the day) or they have to offload rendering to a remote server(like Opera or Skyfire). That's the reason there's no native Firefox on the iOS, other "real" browsers are allowed, so all they could make was Firefox Home to sync bookmarks and stuff.
 
2012-05-11 09:32:45 AM  
OK, the article left out some key information here that is driving this thread into a crazed frenzy.


From the Harvey Anderson Mozilla Blog
It's reported that Windows RT (the name Microsoft has given to Windows running on the ARM processor) will have two environments, a Windows Classic environment and a Metro environment for apps. However, Windows on ARM prohibits any browser except for Internet Explorer from running in the privileged "Windows Classic" environment.

I agree it's a bone headed move, but it's not necessarily banning all browsers from Windows RT, just classic mode.
 
2012-05-11 09:33:23 AM  

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: As a non-programmer, I guess I can't understand why Chrome and Firefox can't just write versions of the software that will work on ARM. They have versions for both Windows and Mac, right? Can someone explain why that wouldn't work?


They're going to have access to a much more limited API than Microsoft will, which will artificially limit their ability to put features in the browser. The browser doesn't "run on ARM", the browser runs on Windows and without access to the API, there's only so much you can do with a reasonable amount of work.

Microsoft is intentionally gimping competitor browsers by not allowing them to access all the same features as IE will be able to, is what it comes down to.

An analogy might be a house where you have two contractors working, one that's allowed to have the blueprints and one that isn't. There's nothing technically preventing the "blind" contractor from doing whatever he wants, but it's going to be a hell of a lot harder for him.
 
2012-05-11 09:34:05 AM  
The problem is that of a monopoly. To do so on the desktop/laptop OS would essentially establish one, outside of the tiny Mac/Linux shares.

Doing so on one of their little devices doesn't. There's so many tablet devices available, it's not funny.
 
2012-05-11 09:34:06 AM  

cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.


Was going to say, sounds like they're just taking another page out of Apple's playbook.
 
2012-05-11 09:36:13 AM  
i find it odd that people seem to think MS is under some kind of obligation to natively support every existing application on every OS they develop.
 
2012-05-11 09:36:28 AM  
This is less and less an issue in that IE is finally being made, kicking and screaming, into a decent browser.

But this would NOT have been the case were there not competition.
 
2012-05-11 09:36:35 AM  

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: As a non-programmer, I guess I can't understand why Chrome and Firefox can't just write versions of the software that will work on ARM. They have versions for both Windows and Mac, right? Can someone explain why that wouldn't work?


The problem isn't the code itself, but lack of access to APIs. They will probably still be able to create browsers, but they may lack features since they will be restricted to Metro, which is much more sand boxed compared to traditional win32 APIs.
 
2012-05-11 09:36:46 AM  
They're talking about WinRT, the ARM version of Win8. The desktop interface in WinRT ONLY allows you to run Microsoft-authorized software, and at this time there's only two planned: Office, and Internet Explorer. Not that the Metro interface is much better; on there, you can only run programs from Microsoft's app store. And, of course, the design spec for WinRT requires Secure Boot, which ensures that you will never be able to install a non-MS OS on there without some serious hacking.

WinRT is MS's attempt to iOS-ize Windows. I hope it fails.
 
2012-05-11 09:36:48 AM  

Silverstaff: cman: Umm, did subby RTFA?

For Desktop/laptop computers you still have a choice.

This is for the ARM variant OS designed for tablets. Like Apple, Microsoft is locking it down.

You can get other browsers for the iPad. I've got Opera on mine.


Technically, but there isn't much difference where it matters. Still no native flash or changing certain defaults. You end up using Safari much of the time anyway.

What I think is ironic is that Apple stunted its growth with the walled garden model early on, where Microsoft flourished doing the opposite. You'd hope they'd bring that theory to opening up the tablet frontier instead of copying Apples shtick.
 
2012-05-11 09:38:16 AM  

hamiltonjdavid: This just in: Windows Phone runs Internet Explorer, Android runs Chrome, iOS runs Safari.

WindowsRT is the new name for WP. Get over it.


You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. iOS and Android allow many different browsers to run on them with no problems. MS trying to claim it is because of ARM issues is simply ridiculous.
 
2012-05-11 09:38:22 AM  
Those bastards.

Can you throw operating systems into Boston Harbor?
 
2012-05-11 09:38:40 AM  
Luckily EVERYTHING Microsoft has ever and will ever do on EVERY non PC platform fails. So I'm not worried what the 139 people world wide who get a Win8 Metro phone tablet combo have to suffer. They don't know what a browser IS.
 
2012-05-11 09:38:46 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Better in every way.
 
2012-05-11 09:39:30 AM  

spentmiles: Internet Explorer does everything that I need it to do, like my taxes and banking, reports sports scores, and even gives me new recipes to try. I don't see why anyone would need any other browser because IE seems to have everything you can imagine inside of it. I've heard that Firefox doesn't even have Bing because it is too complex to run on the Mozilla OS. And believe me, as a Federal Judge, I take all of this into consideration when I rule on these cases.


Eh, not your best stuff.
 
2012-05-11 09:39:32 AM  

way south: Technically, but there isn't much difference where it matters. Still no native flash or changing certain defaults. You end up using Safari much of the time anyway.

What I think is ironic is that Apple stunted its growth with the walled garden model early on, where Microsoft flourished doing the opposite. You'd hope they'd bring that theory to opening up the tablet frontier instead of copying Apples shtick.



Every dumbass big business always gets the egghead that insists that limiting stuff somehow makes things more valuable.

How the hell these idiots still proliferate, I'd like to know.
 
2012-05-11 09:39:36 AM  
I don't use Windows (a tiny bit at work), so I don't care.

People still use Firefox? One would think that Chrome and Safari would be the end of it.
 
2012-05-11 09:39:57 AM  
Jesus do people really not understand how browsers work on their own products... looking at you iPad and iPhone people. Your browser on those devices are not real browsers, they render and hand them to the phone or they use safari. This will be the same with WindowsRT yet since MS is doing it this is a bad thing.
 
2012-05-11 09:39:58 AM  
Would somebody please explain to me why it's so f*cking important which does-the-same-damn-thing-essentially browser people use, from an economic standpoint? It's not like I cut a check to MS, Google or Mozilla.
 
2012-05-11 09:40:00 AM  
i789.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-11 09:40:52 AM  
Microsoft is pulling Microsoft anticompetitive moves, the Justice Department damned well ought to smack the crap out of them for it before they get an irreparable headlock on a market (again). "Give your competitors access to the APIs. Thank you. Go drink your juice."
 
2012-05-11 09:41:29 AM  

rob.d: MS has been watching Apple for the last 5 years and come to the understanding that the world has changed since the 1990s. The US gov't won't do a thing.


this

especially since MS started contributing large sums to both political parties, which they didn't back then. As long as the fami...um, parties get their taste there will be no problems, understand?

/posted from symbian
 
2012-05-11 09:42:13 AM  

pkellmey: hamiltonjdavid: This just in: Windows Phone runs Internet Explorer, Android runs Chrome, iOS runs Safari.

WindowsRT is the new name for WP. Get over it.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. iOS and Android allow many different browsers to run on them with no problems. MS trying to claim it is because of ARM issues is simply ridiculous.


Another clue that he's clueless is the claim that WinRT is the new name for WP. It's not. They're not based on the same kernels or the same APIs. WP7 uses the CE kernel and uses Silverlight as its main API. WinRT uses the NT kernel (the same one as Windows proper) and, while it will run Silverlight apps, its main API is HTML5.
 
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