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(BusinessWeek)   The state of Ohio, apparently with a straight face, is asking us to believe that people go to Ohio voluntarily and that their tourism industry grew by $2 billion last year to reach $40 billion   (businessweek.com) divider line 222
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2012-05-11 02:28:42 PM  
It would be to my delight if Dayton could pick itself up and get going again. Truly I think it might be an IQ problem and not enough willingness to correct the lack of family and community in certain parts of town. Used to be one of the most innovative places.
 
2012-05-11 02:35:12 PM  

jonasborg: It would be to my delight if Dayton could pick itself up and get going again. Truly I think it might be an IQ problem and not enough willingness to correct the lack of family and community in certain parts of town. Used to be one of the most innovative places.


True, true... if everyone were just smarter and came from better families we could solve all kinds of problems.

Idiot.
 
2012-05-11 02:43:51 PM  

dragonchild: slayer199: Ohio is a cesspool.

It's not a cesspool; the main problem with Ohio is that their idea of "culture" is making a Domino's Pizza joint with a brick facade.


letmelaughevenharder.jpg

Cleveland is what happens when a generation of oil barons believe in both the arts and noblisse oblige.


Growing up in Cleveland I bought into some of the hype, that we weren't that cultural. This is why I looked like a snob when I visited other people's cities and was stunned when their main art museum didn't have anything from Picasso, Renoir, Monet, Degas.... I was prepared to believe we probably had a nice museum - the hall of medieval aromory alone would do that - but it took a while before I realized how good we had it.

When I worked at Joseph Beth Booksellers in Cleveland, an old-timer who'd been selling books in Cleveland for decades told me once upon a time you couldn't have a best-seller without courting the Cleveland market. We read like mo-fos. We're considered the 'geekiest' state because of all our library visits. I once wondered how so many library's I knew could be ranked as some of best in the nation. Then I got out and saw the nation.

And now, a list of Cleveland area theatres & theatre companies done almost completely off the top of my head (not counting Akron because Clevelanders never do):

Dobama
Cleveland Public Theatre
Cleveland Playhouse
The State
The Ohio
The Allen
THe Hanna
The Palace
Karamu
JCC
Beck
Geauga Lyric
Cain Park
Halle
Ensemble
The Fine Arts Association
Great Lakes Theatre Festival
Cleveland Shakespeare Festival

While some of the above are companies without a home, some are also complexes with multiple stages.

And just for kicks, let's throw in Chagrin Little Valley and Rabbit Run.

/you get bonus points in CLV if you run into Bill Watterson
//oh, and their symphony could take yours
 
2012-05-11 02:49:05 PM  

karmaceutical: jonasborg: It would be to my delight if Dayton could pick itself up and get going again. Truly I think it might be an IQ problem and not enough willingness to correct the lack of family and community in certain parts of town. Used to be one of the most innovative places.

True, true... if everyone were just smarter and came from better families we could solve all kinds of problems.

Idiot.


There has been real debate in Dayton about improving education to attract high tech industry. The manufacturing based jobs that sustained Dayton in the past have been moving away and are unlikely to return so it is thought that raising the IQ level would benefit the local economy. Furthermore, the attitude of people other cities that are declining such as Detroit or Cleveland can get pretty negative. I think it is present in Dayton a too. People stop caring as much and take less pride in their city and the overall situation just gets that much worse.

I can see how you would think the poster was an idiot based on you incorrect interpretation of his comments.
 
2012-05-11 02:52:39 PM  

K.B.O. Winston: dragonchild: slayer199: Ohio is a cesspool.

It's not a cesspool; the main problem with Ohio is that their idea of "culture" is making a Domino's Pizza joint with a brick facade.

letmelaughevenharder.jpg

Cleveland is what happens when a generation of oil barons believe in both the arts and noblisse oblige.


Growing up in Cleveland I bought into some of the hype, that we weren't that cultural. This is why I looked like a snob when I visited other people's cities and was stunned when their main art museum didn't have anything from Picasso, Renoir, Monet, Degas.... I was prepared to believe we probably had a nice museum - the hall of medieval aromory alone would do that - but it took a while before I realized how good we had it.

When I worked at Joseph Beth Booksellers in Cleveland, an old-timer who'd been selling books in Cleveland for decades told me once upon a time you couldn't have a best-seller without courting the Cleveland market. We read like mo-fos. We're considered the 'geekiest' state because of all our library visits. I once wondered how so many library's I knew could be ranked as some of best in the nation. Then I got out and saw the nation.

And now, a list of Cleveland area theatres & theatre companies done almost completely off the top of my head (not counting Akron because Clevelanders never do):

Dobama
Cleveland Public Theatre
Cleveland Playhouse
The State
The Ohio
The Allen
THe Hanna
The Palace
Karamu
JCC
Beck
Geauga Lyric
Cain Park
Halle
Ensemble
The Fine Arts Association
Great Lakes Theatre Festival
Cleveland Shakespeare Festival

While some of the above are companies without a home, some are also complexes with multiple stages.

And just for kicks, let's throw in Chagrin Little Valley and Rabbit Run.

/you get bonus points in CLV if you run into Bill Watterson
//oh, and their symphony could take yours


This ... well said post, sir.
 
gg
2012-05-11 02:54:42 PM  
Gulper Eel 2012-05-11 09:14:49 AM
Anybody know if US 62 still has latrine-style rest areas?


Those have been gone for a while, but the artesian well is still flowing!

/displaced Holmes Countian
 
2012-05-11 03:04:18 PM  

ZAZ: I used to go the the Origins gaming con in Columbus.

Other than that, it's drive-through country.


Ok, why we never get that shiat in Cleveland?

/this city sucks.
//cleveland don't rock.
 
2012-05-11 03:36:36 PM  
79th & Carnegie baby

cdn.localeats.com

Link
 
2012-05-11 04:06:46 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Intoxoman: I went to Cleveland for a couple Browns games (buddy lived there) back in the 90's. Had fun in the area called The Flats which is pretty much a bar area. We had a great time but no farking way I'd live there. Most of Cleveland just looks pretty depressing.

Their main export is crippling depression. Obligatory.


And Flats is a Scooby-Doo ghost town.
 
2012-05-11 04:25:30 PM  

gg: Gulper Eel 2012-05-11 09:14:49 AM
Anybody know if US 62 still has latrine-style rest areas?

Those have been gone for a while, but the artesian well is still flowing!

/displaced Holmes Countian


Oh, darn. Those places really put the 'drop' in 'dropping a deuce'.
 
2012-05-11 04:45:29 PM  

gojirast: Pants full of macaroni!!: Intoxoman: I went to Cleveland for a couple Browns games (buddy lived there) back in the 90's. Had fun in the area called The Flats which is pretty much a bar area. We had a great time but no farking way I'd live there. Most of Cleveland just looks pretty depressing.

Their main export is crippling depression. Obligatory.

And Flats is a Scooby-Doo ghost town.


Complete with meddling kids?
 
2012-05-11 05:02:33 PM  
Comeblowus, also known as Cowlumbus. I sure like living here better than the other 'C' cities.

And Cedar Point is well worth the trip, when you head up to the lake.
 
2012-05-11 05:09:24 PM  
I'd love to make a pilgrimage to Skatopia in Rutland, OH

a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

blog.photoshelter.com
 
2012-05-11 05:11:52 PM  
I'm surprised by the lack of love for Jeni's Ice Cream - Lime Cardamom for the win.
 
2012-05-11 05:46:18 PM  

Burr: kukukupo: Those are just off the top of my head. But that's o.k. - keep thinking Ohio sucks. Chances are, we don't want you here anyway.

Pretty much sums up my attitude about Ohio bashers.

I live in the SE part...


Howdy, neighbor!
 
2012-05-11 07:59:58 PM  

stevejovi: Burr: kukukupo: Those are just off the top of my head. But that's o.k. - keep thinking Ohio sucks. Chances are, we don't want you here anyway.

Pretty much sums up my attitude about Ohio bashers.

I live in the SE part...

Howdy, neighbor!


*walks outside pantsless*
*Pees off porch*
*waves*

Howdy!
 
2012-05-11 08:14:40 PM  
The best thing to ever come out of Ohio...

blogs.trb.com

Of course being from Michigan I'm automatically inclined to dislike Ohio. But I secretly don't! Amongst the other attractions listed above, I'll add driving the Lincoln Highway. So far, I've driven it from Lima eastward all the way thru WV and into Somerset County, PA. It's a great way to see the real America and I wouldn't have it any other way! Link
 
2012-05-11 08:30:17 PM  
Ah, the state that's "hi" in the middle and round on both ends... I have had cause to visit a few times. Oberlin, Toledo, Yellow Springs, Columbus.

Had a girlfriend at Oberlin, and visited her over a Labor Day weekend. She & her friends took me to an awesome former quarry/swimming hole in Russia Twp. Supposedly only college Seniors went there.

Toledo was a shiathole, but I knew some people there and they had us hang out for a weekend. They ran an anarchist community center with loads of old video-game systems. There was a decent Middle-Eastern fast-food joint with good falafel.

Yellow Springs is gorgeous, friendly enough and on a human scale. Had friends who went to Antioch. Pizza Ha-Ha was pretty scrumptious. Glen Helen -- the location of the Yellow Spring -- is fun to traipse around in with all its ridges, gullies and woods.

Columbus has this part called German Village. Cobblestone streets, vintage houses... totally charming. Played a gig at Little Brother's once.

Other than that, Ohio is just an obligatory hunk of geography to pass through on the way east.
 
2012-05-11 08:48:19 PM  

nucular bum: Ah, the state that's "hi" in the middle and round on both ends... I have had cause to visit a few times. Oberlin, Toledo, Yellow Springs, Columbus.

Had a girlfriend at Oberlin, and visited her over a Labor Day weekend. She & her friends took me to an awesome former quarry/swimming hole in Russia Twp. Supposedly only college Seniors went there.

Toledo was a shiathole, but I knew some people there and they had us hang out for a weekend. They ran an anarchist community center with loads of old video-game systems. There was a decent Middle-Eastern fast-food joint with good falafel.

Yellow Springs is gorgeous, friendly enough and on a human scale. Had friends who went to Antioch. Pizza Ha-Ha was pretty scrumptious. Glen Helen -- the location of the Yellow Spring -- is fun to traipse around in with all its ridges, gullies and woods.

Columbus has this part called German Village. Cobblestone streets, vintage houses... totally charming. Played a gig at Little Brother's once.

Other than that, Ohio is just an obligatory hunk of geography to pass through on the way east.



Ok, Yellow Springs is pretty awesome and so is hiking the gorge.

The worst margarita I have ever tasted was from what was supposedly one of Toledo's best Mexican restaurants. I don't get how Oberlin expects anyone to visit unless they build a hotel or something, not that I would particularly care to go back. Vermilion is a nice little town with a couple decent eateries but bland in comparison to a lot of other vacation towns. Columbus has a pretty nice mall. If I had to stay in Ohio I'd probably give Cincinnati a try. The river front is nice although better on the Kentucky side.
 
2012-05-12 12:26:20 AM  

Lubejewski:
I lived in Dayton from March 2009 until the end of 2011 but do not recall exactly when NCR left.


The reason I bring NCR up:
NCR just left for Georgia right when you got there. They were one of the companies that defined Dayton for a good 125 years of its history(1884-2009). Their departure was sort of like renaming Dayton "some city in Montgomery County" since it took a lot out of the city.

What Art Modell is to Cleveland folks, Georgia's Economic Development department is to Daytonians(such as myself). Both are considered unwelcome parties in their respective parts of Ohio. One does not simply sneak out with 125 years of history out the door, brag about it on the headquarters building, and expect that people will take well to it.



Also, I'm way, way ahead of you on the whole job thing. I work for the federal government and am in a position where I could eventually get a position in almost any big city in the county I want if I'm willing to wait for an opening. Also, I am all but guaranteed a very nice job in Fort Worth, the city I would most like to move to at this point in my life. My boss is working on getting me a temporary detail down there at the end of the summer. Either way I will be forced to leave Cleveland at the end of September unless I go off Per Diem and start paying for my own living expenses. (Not gonna happen) Being able live off my Per Diem and save every penny of my paycheck is the only reason I am still here. I just like to make the most of where ever I am currently living and Cleveland seems to be the only place where I have had this much trouble.

Good to see that. That's the only non-permanent work I'd want to do, given the greatly lessened desire to send work offshore. Dayton's good for someone that has a security clearance with the cheap cost of living; otherwise you're better off somewhere that has the respect for workers that Dayton once had.

The only good thing of Dayton is that Rep. Mike Turner is covering our part of Ohio in the US House of Representatives. He is doing well for being a moderate(aside from defense, where he is solidly GOP). He keeps Wright-Patterson open in Dayton, and thus keeps the city from turning into a Youngstown.

(In addition, Sen. Sherrod Brown is doing well for Ohio - for making sure the entirety of Ohio doesnt get shipped to the PRC save for the land and non-businessfolk. That is something that Mandell cant say, who would rather betray Ohioans as well as US citizens in general.)
 
2012-05-12 12:10:02 PM  

sethstorm: Lubejewski:
I lived in Dayton from March 2009 until the end of 2011 but do not recall exactly when NCR left.


The reason I bring NCR up:
NCR just left for Georgia right when you got there. They were one of the companies that defined Dayton for a good 125 years of its history(1884-2009). Their departure was sort of like renaming Dayton "some city in Montgomery County" since it took a lot out of the city.

What Art Modell is to Cleveland folks, Georgia's Economic Development department is to Daytonians(such as myself). Both are considered unwelcome parties in their respective parts of Ohio. One does not simply sneak out with 125 years of history out the door, brag about it on the headquarters building, and expect that people will take well to it.



Also, I'm way, way ahead of you on the whole job thing. I work for the federal government and am in a position where I could eventually get a position in almost any big city in the county I want if I'm willing to wait for an opening. Also, I am all but guaranteed a very nice job in Fort Worth, the city I would most like to move to at this point in my life. My boss is working on getting me a temporary detail down there at the end of the summer. Either way I will be forced to leave Cleveland at the end of September unless I go off Per Diem and start paying for my own living expenses. (Not gonna happen) Being able live off my Per Diem and save every penny of my paycheck is the only reason I am still here. I just like to make the most of where ever I am currently living and Cleveland seems to be the only place where I have had this much trouble.

Good to see that. That's the only non-permanent work I'd want to do, given the greatly lessened desire to send work offshore. Dayton's good for someone that has a security clearance with the cheap cost of living; otherwise you're better off somewhere that has the respect for workers that Dayton once had.

The only good thing of Dayton is that Rep. Mike Turner is covering our ...



Not sure I would blame the state of Georgia for NCR leaving Ohio. NCR was raped by AT&T. They were never the same after that.

/left Ohio in 84. Never going back.
 
2012-05-13 12:11:59 AM  

jonasborg: It would be to my delight if Dayton could pick itself up and get going again. Truly I think it might be an IQ problem and not enough willingness to correct the lack of family and community in certain parts of town. Used to be one of the most innovative places.

Thank Rhine "Fancy Hat" McLin for undoing Turner's generally appreciated turnaround and plumbing depths deeper than Clay Dixon's own failures. That, and she was asleep at the wheel while a large part of history was being packed up for Georgia.

I'm not confident in Dayton turning around; the only progress is tied to the University of Dayton and their contacts in WPAFB. If you attend Wright State, you're considered a second class citizen; if you're accepted to UD, you get to walk all over the city. Once UD is relegated to being a mere partner(as they were when NCR was around), as opposed to them playing the city like a fiddle, I can see the city turning around.

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: Not sure I would blame the state of Georgia for NCR leaving Ohio. NCR was raped by AT&T. They were never the same after that.

/left Ohio in 84. Never going back.


I know all too well of AT&T's role; they were responsible for the first exodus, which had sent more than a few folks over(including a family I still know quite well). They took a company that did well by its own employees, their families and customers - then chewed it up.

Georgia's "Economic Development" department is the one that offered an undisclosed $60 million deal to secure the second and final exodus. That state knew how much was on the line and didnt want a passionate Dayton population to know about what was going on.

In short, AT&T did the first exodus and Georgia's government did the second. In neither case would NCR be to blame - for they acted with the information given to them.

/Had a ringside seat to the action in Dayton
//Got to know Old River when it had a pool, not an odd soccer field
 
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