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(USA Today)   Nationals' Stephen Strasburg Strasburgs 13, including 7 in a row, is now 3 -0, with 51 Strasburgs, and an Earned Strasburg Average of 1.64   (usatoday.com) divider line 49
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2012-05-11 09:47:19 AM
Yes, what's his Strasburg over replacement Strasburg rating?
 
2012-05-11 10:01:06 AM

WTF Indeed: Yes, what's his Strasburg over replacement Strasburg rating?


He's at a 0.0 since Strasburg can't out-Strasburg Strasburg. It's just that mostly everybody else is at a negative Strasburg over replacement Strasburg.

Anyways, I've been saying for a couple of years that the Nationals were going to become a contender and it would be weird to see them switch places with the Phillies. But I didn't expect it to start happening so soon.
 
2012-05-11 10:41:05 AM
Hines Ward threw out the first pitch last night. HE could have struck out 10+ Pirates.
 
2012-05-11 10:44:52 AM
Didn't Strasburg recently get traded to the Bryce Harpers?
 
2012-05-11 10:48:43 AM

FreakinB: WTF Indeed: Yes, what's his Strasburg over replacement Strasburg rating?

He's at a 0.0 since Strasburg can't out-Strasburg Strasburg. It's just that mostly everybody else is at a negative Strasburg over replacement Strasburg.

Anyways, I've been saying for a couple of years that the Nationals were going to become a contender and it would be weird to see them switch places with the Phillies. But I didn't expect it to start happening so soon.


Strasburg versus Ditka, who wins?
 
2012-05-11 10:50:30 AM
How long until he blows his arm out?
 
2012-05-11 10:53:32 AM

machoprogrammer: How long until he blows his arm out?


Negative two years.
 
2012-05-11 10:55:29 AM
So I guess using the word "Strasburg" in every context is now the replacement for the word "Favre".

/BRETT FAVRE!
 
2012-05-11 10:58:46 AM
I hear tell that Eric Hosmer.....is currently struggling at the plate but hopefully can turn it around soon.
 
2012-05-11 11:02:16 AM
Why no love for StL's Lance Lynn?
6-0 - 1.4 ERA - 8.6K/9 93.8 LOB
 
2012-05-11 11:07:12 AM

Deep Blue: Why no love for StL's Lance Lynn?
6-0 - 1.4 ERA - 8.6K/9 93.8 LOB



That is not sustainable. He is still having a great season.
 
2012-05-11 11:22:46 AM

Deep Blue: Why no love for StL's Lance Lynn?
6-0 - 1.4 ERA - 8.6K/9 93.8 LOB


Subby tried to phone in a headline about Lynn but got Strasburg instead.
 
2012-05-11 11:27:41 AM

machoprogrammer: How long until he blows his arm out?


I thought I read something about him working with trainers to tweak his pitching motion -- anyone seen video of him lately?

/no video at work
 
2012-05-11 11:29:58 AM

ChrisDe: Didn't Strasburg recently get traded to the Bryce Harpers?


lol
 
2012-05-11 11:35:59 AM
images.wikia.com
 
2012-05-11 11:47:25 AM
Alright, you kids can talk about your Strasburgs and your Harpers all you want. Anyone with actual sense and appreciation for the game can tell you that Adam LaRoche is easily the greatest sportsman in the history of Western civilization, which is why the Nationals are off to a great start.
 
2012-05-11 11:52:15 AM

Killer Cars: Alright, you kids can talk about your Strasburgs and your Harpers all you want. Anyone with actual sense and appreciation for the game can tell you that Adam LaRoche is easily the greatest sportsman in the history of Western civilization, which is why the Nationals are off to a great start.


He's been a godsend in my fantasy league for the $1 he cost me, that's for sure.

jayhawk88: I hear tell that Eric Hosmer.....is currently struggling at the plate but hopefully can turn it around soon.


Moustakas has been good though. Yeah I'm making this whole post about my fantasy team, but I'm very happy with him so far.
 
2012-05-11 12:03:52 PM
Ryan Dempster is 0-1 with a 1.03 era and 38 innings pitched. that's a lovely Cubs bullpen.
 
2012-05-11 12:42:55 PM
Plus he seems to have a penchant for slapping doubles and last night he even took one for the team. But I cringe every time he throws the ball. Darwin did not design arms to do that.
 
2012-05-11 12:45:06 PM

FreakinB: Yeah I'm making this whole post about my fantasy team, but I'm very happy with him so far.


That gives me a little pang of longing. I miss fantasy baseball in April and May but by the time the dog days get here I will hopefully remember that it had gotten to the point where fantasy baseball had started to feel like a part time job come July.
 
2012-05-11 12:47:43 PM

Brother_Mouzone: Ryan Dempster is 0-1 with a 1.03 era and 38 innings pitched. that's a lovely Cubs bullpen.


Somewhere, Matt Cain is chuckling.

The first time through the Pirates' lineup for Strasburg, before he reverted to merely "very good" for his remaining 3 IP:
Single, double play, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout.

Then again: Pittsburgh's team OBP is .279, the worst in MLB by 10 points. They like making outs.
 
2012-05-11 12:53:05 PM

yequalsy: Plus he seems to have a penchant for slapping doubles and last night he even took one for the team. But I cringe every time he throws the ball. Darwin did not design arms to do that.


In addition to that whole pitching thing, Strasburg is slugging .538 so far. (4-for-13 with 3 2B)

A lot of young pitchers can hit-- they're often star hitters in HS/college, and it isn't until they go pro that their routine shifts and their hitting atrophies. Most of them can't hit majors-level breaking stuff, but if you can hit well enough to make opposing pitchers throw breaking balls (upping their pitch count, drawing some walks), you're doing your job just fine.
 
2012-05-11 12:55:28 PM

machoprogrammer: How long until he blows his arm out again?


+/- 16 Months

Kid is really becoming a better "pitcher"... hope he can continue it. Because his arm can't take much more "throwing".
 
2012-05-11 01:11:02 PM
What an annoying headline.
 
2012-05-11 01:16:24 PM

ChrisDe: Didn't Strasburg recently get traded to the Bryce Harpers?


More like Bryce Harper got called up to the Strasburgs.
 
2012-05-11 01:17:34 PM
he's on a 160 inning limit this year. even if the Nats are in a pennant chase. even if the Nats make the playoffs.

while no team can afford to go without him, the Nats have other horses.

strasburg
gio
J zimmerman
edwin jackson
detwiler
------

but then they also have two other horses on the sidelines:

chien ming wang (4-3 4.04 in 2011)
john lannan (10-13 3.70 in 2011)
 
2012-05-11 01:20:18 PM

Rwa2play: More like Bryce Harper got called up to the Strasburgs.


Between Harper and Strasburg, which one is Maverick and Iceman?
 
2012-05-11 01:29:34 PM

Killer Cars: Rwa2play: More like Bryce Harper got called up to the Strasburgs.

Between Harper and Strasburg, which one is Maverick and Iceman?


Dunno, but it's nice to see the Washington Ovechkins out on the ice at the same time as the Harper-Strasburgs. Maybe someday the Ovechkins, the Walls and the Harper-Strasburgs will have games during the same week.

// unlikely, the Wizards will always suck
 
2012-05-11 01:31:50 PM

SlothB77: he's on a 160 inning limit this year.


That right there is gonna be a problem. 32 starts at 5 innings a start? The bullpen will be dead-armed in August.
 
2012-05-11 01:36:29 PM

FriarReb98: SlothB77: he's on a 160 inning limit this year.

That right there is gonna be a problem. 32 starts at 5 innings a start? The bullpen will be dead-armed in August.


or 23 by 7. Number of games Strasburg starts in September: 0.
 
2012-05-11 01:59:41 PM

SlothB77: FriarReb98: SlothB77: he's on a 160 inning limit this year.

That right there is gonna be a problem. 32 starts at 5 innings a start? The bullpen will be dead-armed in August.

or 23 by 7. Number of games Strasburg starts in September: 0.


Either way it's not good.
 
2012-05-11 02:11:49 PM

FriarReb98: SlothB77: FriarReb98: SlothB77: he's on a 160 inning limit this year.

That right there is gonna be a problem. 32 starts at 5 innings a start? The bullpen will be dead-armed in August.

or 23 by 7. Number of games Strasburg starts in September: 0.

Either way it's not good.


The real underlying issue is that for all the pronouncements, the "experts" are very poor at projecting pitcher longevity. It's the origin of the phrase "there is no such thing as a pitching prospect", which is probably better off as "all things equal, put all your chips in on young hitters, because they're more reliable".

People often cite the guy who wrote a huge essay on why Mark Prior fell apart, after the injuries. What they forget is that guy predicted injury on a whole lot of pitchers, and you could do pretty well picking pitchers at random and predicting arm injuries.
 
2012-05-11 02:26:49 PM

chimp_ninja: People often cite the guy who wrote a huge essay on why Mark Prior fell apart, after the injuries. What they forget is that guy predicted injury on a whole lot of pitchers, and you could do pretty well picking pitchers at random and predicting arm injuries.


I broke down his 2006 predictions in an earlier thread (the one about the Sox signing Prior). He got three guys right: Scherzer (who was still in college at the time), Prior (who had already had a rash of injuries) and Roy Oswalt, who he said would NOT get hurt (and didn't get hurt).

Every other player he mentioned as "more likely to get injured than average" was healthy for at least 3 years. Additionally, like Oswalt, he said Freddie Garcia was less likely to get hurt. He did.

Arguably, he would've done better by picking randomly.
 
2012-05-11 02:53:34 PM

DeWayne Mann: chimp_ninja: People often cite the guy who wrote a huge essay on why Mark Prior fell apart, after the injuries. What they forget is that guy predicted injury on a whole lot of pitchers, and you could do pretty well picking pitchers at random and predicting arm injuries.

I broke down his 2006 predictions in an earlier thread (the one about the Sox signing Prior). He got three guys right: Scherzer (who was still in college at the time), Prior (who had already had a rash of injuries) and Roy Oswalt, who he said would NOT get hurt (and didn't get hurt).

Every other player he mentioned as "more likely to get injured than average" was healthy for at least 3 years. Additionally, like Oswalt, he said Freddie Garcia was less likely to get hurt. He did.

Arguably, he would've done better by picking randomly.


I will now predicate that any pitcher who pitches over 150 innings this year will be hurt within 4 years.
 
2012-05-11 02:59:16 PM

DeWayne Mann: chimp_ninja: People often cite the guy who wrote a huge essay on why Mark Prior fell apart, after the injuries. What they forget is that guy predicted injury on a whole lot of pitchers, and you could do pretty well picking pitchers at random and predicting arm injuries.

I broke down his 2006 predictions in an earlier thread (the one about the Sox signing Prior). He got three guys right: Scherzer (who was still in college at the time), Prior (who had already had a rash of injuries) and Roy Oswalt, who he said would NOT get hurt (and didn't get hurt).

Every other player he mentioned as "more likely to get injured than average" was healthy for at least 3 years. Additionally, like Oswalt, he said Freddie Garcia was less likely to get hurt. He did.

Arguably, he would've done better by picking randomly.


So you really think mechanics have nothing to do with pitching health?

I think it should be common sense some deliveries are more healthy than others (i.e. keeping your elbow below the shoulders upon release point results in less strain). I saw a Baseball Tonight on Strasburg, too, and Curt Schilling (I know, I know) showed why his mechanics are no good as well.
 
2012-05-11 03:02:05 PM

bacongood: I will now predicate that any pitcher who pitches over 150 innings this year will be hurt within 4 years.


YOU NEED TO CREATE A CIRCA 1998 WEBPAGE TO SHARE YOUR AMAZING PREDICTIONS!

machoprogrammer: So you really think mechanics have nothing to do with pitching health?


I have no freaking clue what mechanics have to do with pitching health. Absolutely none. Zip. Nada.

...and neither does anybody else.
 
2012-05-11 03:33:52 PM

machoprogrammer: So you really think mechanics have nothing to do with pitching health?


I have no doubt that there's something to it. But until someone can establish a predictive track record, it's hard to say they understand it.

I think it should be common sense some deliveries are more healthy than others (i.e. keeping your elbow below the shoulders upon release point results in less strain).

I don't think that falls under "common sense", especially when some MLB pitchers make a career doing this.
 
2012-05-11 03:50:46 PM
Dude has been lights out to date and he's what? 24? One injury - albeit a major one - and all the sudden all the armchair experts are experts on the inverted W.
 
2012-05-11 04:07:42 PM

JohnBigBootay: Dude has been lights out to date and he's what? 24? One injury - albeit a major one - and all the sudden all the armchair experts are experts on the inverted W.


Well, in fairness, what happened was "Prior gets hurt a lot => Prior throws funny => Strasburg throws the same way => Strasburg will get injured." Then he DID get injured.

Which is still not proof that it was caused by his throwing style, but it was, at least, one correct prediction.
 
2012-05-11 04:31:30 PM
I've examined Strasburg's mechanics and imo he'll never pitch in the majors
 
2012-05-11 04:55:03 PM

DeWayne Mann: I have no freaking clue what mechanics have to do with pitching health. Absolutely none. Zip. Nada.

...and neither does anybody else.


It's that inverted "W" man. That's what's causing the problems for everyone.

Truth be told when the D-Backs drafted Trevor Bauer who has, to say the least, an unorthodox training regimen, that led to reading about the Texas Baseball Ranch (I think thats what its called) where he trained. That led to reading about Nolan Ryan's career where he became involved in biomechanics (off the top of my head could be another study) and he kept changing his delivery and pitching style to stay healthy his whole career.

/I know I'm not 100% accurate on this
 
2012-05-11 05:07:49 PM

neuroflare: Trevor Bauer


Trevor Bauer, along with Dylan Bundy, are excellent guys to watch with all this. Both guys are, according to "traditional" wisdom, giant walking injuries waiting to happen. Especially since Bundy has a borderline inverted W.

Yet both guys just mow down the competition, and have had no injury problems yet. Maybe they will. I dunno. But it's fun to watch.
 
2012-05-11 05:12:52 PM

DeWayne Mann: Which is still not proof that it was caused by his throwing style, but it was, at least, one correct prediction.


Fair enough. I just think that the correlation between guys who throw over 95 and will eventually need major surgery is already so high the extra variable is just about meaningless. We certainly need a hell of a lot more exemplars and case histories to say that any of the data is meaningful. 'Mark Prior got hurt, this guy throws like Mark Prior and he got hurt too' is the beginning of a hypothesis, not the proof.
 
2012-05-11 05:21:31 PM

JohnBigBootay: 'Mark Prior got hurt, this guy throws like Mark Prior and he got hurt too' is the beginning of a hypothesis, not the proof.


Exactly.

And there are plenty of other theories out there too. Throwing curveballs at a young enough age. Only throwing fastball/change until college. Throwing too many innings in High School. Not throwing enough innings before the majors. Long tossing. Not long tossing. Throwing too much on your non-pitching days. Not throwing enough on your off days.

And they all have SOME data to back it up.
 
2012-05-11 08:20:12 PM
Except for the word Strasburg, that was complete gibberish.

theinfosphere.org
 
2012-05-11 08:34:18 PM

Sider: Except for the word Strasburg, that was complete gibberish.

[theinfosphere.org image 640x488]


You know, it's amazing what you notice in futurama screenshots.

There's a decapodian hanging out with some sort of outer-space potato man in the top right.
 
2012-05-11 09:25:23 PM
I'm just happy the Nats are doing well.

// and the O's
// and that the Yankees are sucking
 
2012-05-12 06:26:33 AM

DeWayne Mann: Sider: Except for the word Strasburg, that was complete gibberish.

[theinfosphere.org image 640x488]

You know, it's amazing what you notice in futurama screenshots.

There's a decapodian hanging out with some sort of outer-space potato man in the top right.


Stranger: They appear to be using a left-handed catcher.
 
2012-05-12 12:20:47 PM

chimp_ninja: DeWayne Mann: Sider: Except for the word Strasburg, that was complete gibberish.

[theinfosphere.org image 640x488]

You know, it's amazing what you notice in futurama screenshots.

There's a decapodian hanging out with some sort of outer-space potato man in the top right.

Stranger: They appear to be using a left-handed catcher.


That's normal in the future.
 
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