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2012-05-11 11:59:06 AM
let's kill all the violent people!
 
2012-05-11 12:01:14 PM
Snarfangel: ...9/11, and multiply that by 100.

There would be unrelenting tragedy on all sides.


You mean.... 91,100?
 
2012-05-11 12:02:42 PM
Do these people even realize that they are the western version of extreme islamists. Kill them all, because we don't like their sky wizard and its teachings is the same exact argument bin Laden was making.

War mongers gonna war monger, I guess. Somebody should really tell these guys what Wall Street and the banks are up to these days. At least point their violent tendencies in the right direction.
 
2012-05-11 12:03:04 PM
Magnanimous_J: thecpt: Oh I've been waiting for the next total war game!

I really hope they do Rome II. I still play Rome: Total War.

Empires was too clunky for me. Maybe Ancient Greece could be cool too.


Not to thread jack but have you tried Shogun 2? Still play Rome and Empire but yea clunky is the right word even though I want to love it.

And the way to win against religious fanatics is trough education and bringing them out of poverty.
 
2012-05-11 12:04:24 PM
Well tonight guess ill be playing Total War
 
2012-05-11 12:09:10 PM
TheShavingofOccam123: And what is tragic is someone could start a world jihad with a video camera, a Koran, a full bladder and a full bowel. And if you replaced the Koran with the American flag, I'm pretty sure, with the proper promotion, someone could start a religious war in the US.

I'm pretty sure shiatting and pissing on the American flag would be considered satire in the united states.

Now if you pissed and shiat on a Bible... All bets are off.
 
2012-05-11 12:16:24 PM
JRoo: Are we going to exterminate the Jews after that?

Nah, we'll stop with the mooslims. We can just haggle with the Jews over the cost of gas then. At least you can negotiate with them.

/You do realize that in every major shooting battle on the planet right, one or both sides are mooslims, right?
 
2012-05-11 12:17:13 PM
This is way overblown. This Lt. col is certainly a tool, but I guarantee you that the people sitting in his class were almost as likely to find him a tool as any of us here on Fark.
 
2012-05-11 12:20:10 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
The good senator from Wisconsin supports getting rid of all these anti-American ideas.
 
2012-05-11 12:20:46 PM
imontheinternet: Do these people even realize that they are the western version of extreme islamists. Kill them all, because we don't like their sky wizard and its teachings is the same exact argument bin Laden was making.

War mongers gonna war monger, I guess. Somebody should really tell these guys what Wall Street and the banks are up to these days. At least point their violent tendencies in the right direction.


I doubt if the majority of people who hate muslims do so because they do not like their sky wizard. I
 
2012-05-11 12:23:47 PM
Gets my vote
 
2012-05-11 12:27:54 PM
If we're unwilling to wage a war, we shouldn't be in one. The Lt. Col is right, but not for the reasons people think.
 
2012-05-11 12:32:35 PM
fluffy2097: TheShavingofOccam123: And what is tragic is someone could start a world jihad with a video camera, a Koran, a full bladder and a full bowel. And if you replaced the Koran with the American flag, I'm pretty sure, with the proper promotion, someone could start a religious war in the US.

I'm pretty sure shiatting and pissing on the American flag would be considered satire in the united states.

Now if you pissed and shiat on a Bible... All bets are off.


If you piss and shiat on a Bible, you get money from the National Endowment of the Arts.

/totally the same as a religious war
//because, uh... people profit from wars, and you profit from the Bible, that's the ticket
 
2012-05-11 12:34:43 PM
Tatterdemalian: fluffy2097: TheShavingofOccam123: And what is tragic is someone could start a world jihad with a video camera, a Koran, a full bladder and a full bowel. And if you replaced the Koran with the American flag, I'm pretty sure, with the proper promotion, someone could start a religious war in the US.

I'm pretty sure shiatting and pissing on the American flag would be considered satire in the united states.

Now if you pissed and shiat on a Bible... All bets are off.

If you piss and shiat on a Bible, you get money from the National Endowment of the Arts.

/totally the same as a religious war
//because, uh... people profit from wars, and you profit from the Bible, that's the ticket


Thats it! We wont kill them. There is no money in it.
 
2012-05-11 01:03:00 PM
jjhinnola: Generation_D: Ya know, that part of the country still refers to the West as "crusaders." Referencing 1000 years ago's mistaken attempt at genocidal invasion.

Nothing like fueling their own holy war fan-fic with some of your own, you miserable neocon traitors.

Well, ok... But can we at least get Constantinople back?


Sorry. Istanbul was Constantinople, now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople.

\been a long time gone, Constantinople...
 
2012-05-11 01:05:00 PM
DavidVincent: High fences make for for good neighbors.

That's why I bought a house beside a pawn shop that sells bongs.
 
2012-05-11 01:09:33 PM
Tatterdemalian: If you piss and shiat on a Bible, you get money from the National Endowment of the Arts.

Piss Christ was supported by the national endowment of the arts wasn't it...
That was made back in the 80's too.

The photo was destroyed with a screwdriver by Christians though.

you know what? If that's a Christian holy war, bring it on.
 
2012-05-11 01:12:23 PM
DocTravesty: jjhinnola: Generation_D: Ya know, that part of the country still refers to the West as "crusaders." Referencing 1000 years ago's mistaken attempt at genocidal invasion.

Nothing like fueling their own holy war fan-fic with some of your own, you miserable neocon traitors.

Well, ok... But can we at least get Constantinople back?

Sorry. Istanbul was Constantinople, now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople.

\been a long time gone, Constantinople...


Why did Constantinople get the works?
 
2012-05-11 01:14:04 PM
JRoo: DocTravesty: jjhinnola: Generation_D: Ya know, that part of the country still refers to the West as "crusaders." Referencing 1000 years ago's mistaken attempt at genocidal invasion.

Nothing like fueling their own holy war fan-fic with some of your own, you miserable neocon traitors.

Well, ok... But can we at least get Constantinople back?

Sorry. Istanbul was Constantinople, now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople.

\been a long time gone, Constantinople...

Why did Constantinople get the works?


That's nobodies business but the Turks.
 
2012-05-11 01:17:00 PM
Julie Cochrane:
[sigh]

The Problem With Islam (TM) is that it's an absolute, indisputable, unalterable article of faith that before Judgment Day happens, their religion is going to take over the whole entire world "until religion is only for Allah."

They absolutely believe that eventually, someday, when Allah wills it, their religion will take over the whole damn world.

Where you get moderate Muslims is that moderate Muslims put that belief in the context of: "Someday that will happen, nobody knows when, Inshallah."

Where you get an extremist, jihadi movement of Muslims is when a bunch of the farks decide: "And it's starting to happen! These are the times! We're Going To Take Over The World Real Soon Now!!!! (inshallah)"
[edit for space]

THIS.

Too many American hippie-peace types shooting their mouths off here, with no idea what they're talking about. This guy Dooley is a bloodthirsty asshat, if he thinks wiping out a billion-plus people is the answer. But make NO mistake: Islam is founded on the idea of Islam ruling the world. They can't be talked out of that, they aren't going to reform, and there is no reasoning with this belief. So go hold hands and sing Kum ba ya with a different group; Islam is NOT interested.

Islam is involved in almost every armed conflict in the world, and it's been that way for decades. Folks, this is not an accident. Our government allowing the military to be used as the good squad for a bunch of globalist industrialists may be (is) fueling most of the motivation of Islam to attack "the West," but there will always be muslims somewhere trying to kill or subjugate all non-muslims. It's just the way that religion is wired. Them's the facts. Have a nice day.
 
2012-05-11 01:22:42 PM
DocTravesty: jjhinnola: Generation_D: Ya know, that part of the country still refers to the West as "crusaders." Referencing 1000 years ago's mistaken attempt at genocidal invasion.

Nothing like fueling their own holy war fan-fic with some of your own, you miserable neocon traitors.

Well, ok... But can we at least get Constantinople back?

Sorry. Istanbul was Constantinople, now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople.

\been a long time gone, Constantinople...


Why, pray tell, did Constantinople get the works?
 
2012-05-11 01:23:42 PM
And then those of us who are very, very stupid wonder why the Iranians think they need nukes. They'd be stupid not to have them.
 
2012-05-11 01:24:53 PM
Julie Cochrane: [sigh]

The Problem With Islam (TM) is that it's an absolute, indisputable, unalterable article of faith that before Judgment Day happens, their religion is going to take over the whole entire world "until religion is only for Allah."

They absolutely believe that eventually, someday, when Allah wills it, their religion will take over the whole damn world.

Where you get moderate Muslims is that moderate Muslims put that belief in the context of: "Someday that will happen, nobody knows when, Inshallah."

Where you get an extremist, jihadi movement of Muslims is when a bunch of the farks decide: "And it's starting to happen! These are the times! We're Going To Take Over The World Real Soon Now!!!! (inshallah)"

And what guys like Dooley miss is the way you get Peace with Muslims is when a group of extremist jihadis arise, you beat the absolute ever-lovin' shiat out of them, crushingly, humiliatingly, and mercislessly, as quickly and definitively as possible---and with as little collateral damage as possible.

Because what you want them to say to themselves is: "Oops. I guess Allah turned his face away and it's not Time yet. Inshallah." And for the surviving people all around to say "Inshallah" and go back to living their lives.

Not that there won't be real negotiation at that point over the end of hostilities, etc. There will be. They're not stupid. It's just that at that point you're arguing with people's reasonable minds making decisions, not their faith driving them on some kind of internal autopilot.

Anyway, this cycle repeats and repeats and repeats with extremist movements and Islam. Every once in awhile, an upstart extremist movement rises up that thinks it's about to take over the world Right Now. And the only way to get rid of it is to beat the living crap out of it and convince it it's not.

And then when the Muslims around that group figure "it's not time yet"--then you're dealing with folks who are pretty much just as peacable as anybody else--until it ...


You know that you could make the same argument about various christian sects don't you? Different groups of european christians tried repeatedly to take over the world and spread their brand of christianity between the Renaissance and the present. Resulted many colonial clashes and exterminations as well as 2 world wars. Pretty much every group of people would do the same if they have the fire power and economic clout to get away with it. Next up: Imperial China.
 
2012-05-11 01:28:36 PM
It's all about the cheese. Oil cheese, ore cheese, sea lanes cheese.
 
2012-05-11 01:28:59 PM
I do not have a problem with the Staff College presentation. Nice to know somebody's being realistic. How did we end Nazi and Japanese warlord influence? By doing exactly what the presentation talked about.

BTW, ISLAM IS NOT A RACE, THEREFORE OPPOSING ISLAM IS NOT RACIST!

Oh, all you peace loving, non-violent, rainbow and Unicorn Farkers will fight back, eventually. The Muzzies are like the Borg. They are on a mission from their God. They will not negotiate, bargain, compromise or settle. Sooner or later they WILL come after YOUR beer, boobies and bacon. And you will fight.

The longer we wait to kick their ass, the more it will cost us.

You whine and you whine about how awful the "Christianists" are, yet they are nothing compared to how aggressive the Muzzies are.

But it's wicked cool to show how enlightened and hip you are by defending the Muzzies ("they're not ALL bad"), only because the conservatives are the ones warning of the danger. If the conservatives are against it, IT MUST BE AWESOME!!!!1111!!WOOHOOOO!!!
 
2012-05-11 01:56:13 PM
If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking.
William Tecumseh Sherman

War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
William Tecumseh Sherman
 
2012-05-11 01:58:46 PM
SouthernFriedYankee:

Islam is involved in almost every armed conflict in the world, and it's been that way for decades.


Northern Ireland and Rwanda look at you quizzically....
 
2012-05-11 01:59:00 PM
fluffy2097: Giltric: Colonle insignia is an Eagle. Calling them a full bird refers to that insignia rather then the lower ranked Lt; Col which has the insignia of an Oak leaf.

Ok, but why is this bad? I mean, I can see why this is bad in the case of Dooly, he's psychotic, but I don't see how simply having a higher ranked person is some kind of significant precedent.


As mentioned the insignia of a Colonel is an eagle. A Lt Colonel's insignia is a cluster of leaves (Oak?). A Colonel is just one rank below when you switch to stars and get called general.

The reason you clarify by saying 'full bird' is because both Lt Colonels and Colonels are called 'Colonel' when addressing or referring to them.

So if Mr. Jones was a Lt Colonel, you would say "I just spoke to Colonel Jones" and people might ask "full bird?" And you would respond, "no, still an O-5"

An O-6 (Colonel) is a much bigger person in terms of responsibility and authority, so when someone starts off by saying "full bird" they are implying that this guy is basically the boss for whatever specific group or area is being discussed.

When you get to the 'General' officer level you tend to be more in the policy level of military authority. O6s tend to be the guys who implement/enact policy.

(Very gross approximation)
 
2012-05-11 02:36:29 PM
aphyd: DavidVincent: High fences make for for good neighbors.

That's why I bought a house beside a pawn shop that sells bongs.


Long way to go...but I went there with you.
 
2012-05-11 02:50:45 PM
ObscureNameHere: SouthernFriedYankee:

Islam is involved in almost every armed conflict in the world, and it's been that way for decades.


Northern Ireland and Rwanda look at you quizzically....


Go ask Mr. Google to define almost for you, mm'kay?
 
2012-05-11 02:57:35 PM
Islam is a far cry from the religion of peace. Check out religionofpeace.org
Knowing the dark list no one would have a problem claiming Christians are crazy or violent. I think there are those extremists in both religions.
But the military tactics insult our sensibilities.
 
2012-05-11 03:12:37 PM
Generals and Majors

Generals and Majors ah ah
they're never too far
from battlefields so glorious
out in a world of their own
They'll never come down
till once again victorious

Generals and Majors always
seem so unhappy 'less they got a war

Generals and Majors ah ah
like never before are tired of being actionless.

Calling
Generals and Majors everywhere
Calling
your World War III is drawing near

Generals and Majors ah ah
They're never too far
away from men who made the grade
out in a world of their own
They'll never come down
until the battle's lost or made

Generals and Majors ah ah
like never before, are tired of being in the shade.
 
2012-05-11 03:18:37 PM
quickdraw: hubiestubert: How about the Commies? HOW DOES HE FEEL ABOUT THE COMMIE MENACE?

lol!

I just dont understand why anyone looks at the crusades and thinks "that's a good idea!" At least pattern yourself after Alexander the Great.


I'm trying to pattern myself after Diogenes, who, when Alexander the Great approached and offered the old man anything he wanted simply asked for him to step aside and quit blocking the sunlight.
 
2012-05-11 03:22:51 PM
DEATH TO ALL FANATICS!!!
 
2012-05-11 03:31:08 PM
This....thing....should be cashiered!
 
2012-05-11 03:33:05 PM
There IS a bunch of religious fanatics who really DO need to be eradicated but they are not in the middle east and they are not Muslim. They're home grown, dumb as shiat, American redneck scum. See them at your next tea-bagger/republican rally. I'm not SAYING you should mow them down with a large vehicle of some sort...
 
2012-05-11 03:46:45 PM
I believe we should kill every mooslem on the planet. Then move on to chinks,gooks,sand worms,darkies,micks,kikes,wops,dot wearers,rag heads,spicks,injuns and finally whitey.
Did I mention I am a virus called hate and I come from my father,the devil.
 
2012-05-11 03:47:04 PM
Hang down your head boy... Hang down your head and die.
 
2012-05-11 04:17:18 PM
SouthernFriedYankee: ObscureNameHere: SouthernFriedYankee:

Islam is involved in almost every armed conflict in the world, and it's been that way for decades.


Northern Ireland and Rwanda look at you quizzically....

Go ask Mr. Google to define almost for you, mm'kay?


;)
Vietnam War, Falkand Islands War, Grenada Incident, Korean War, Bay of Pigs Invasion also are curious where the 'most' line gets drawn...

/sorry, did I break some 'WHARRGGBLLL!' in process?

// I will concede your point when focused on the last 20 years since Gulf War 1.
 
2012-05-11 04:18:33 PM
We need to manufacture some new enemies, as these ones are getting a little stale and boring.
 
2012-05-11 04:39:12 PM
Julie Cochrane: [sigh]

The Problem With Islam (TM) is that it's an absolute, indisputable, unalterable article of faith that before Judgment Day happens, their religion is going to take over the whole entire world "until religion is only for Allah."

They absolutely believe that eventually, someday, when Allah wills it, their religion will take over the whole damn world.

Where you get moderate Muslims is that moderate Muslims put that belief in the context of: "Someday that will happen, nobody knows when, Inshallah."

Where you get an extremist, jihadi movement of Muslims is when a bunch of the farks decide: "And it's starting to happen! These are the times! We're Going To Take Over The World Real Soon Now!!!! (inshallah)"

And what guys like Dooley miss is the way you get Peace with Muslims is when a group of extremist jihadis arise, you beat the absolute ever-lovin' shiat out of them, crushingly, humiliatingly, and mercislessly, as quickly and definitively as possible---and with as little collateral damage as possible.

Because what you want them to say to themselves is: "Oops. I guess Allah turned his face away and it's not Time yet. Inshallah." And for the surviving people all around to say "Inshallah" and go back to living their lives.

Not that there won't be real negotiation at that point over the end of hostilities, etc. There will be. They're not stupid. It's just that at that point you're arguing with people's reasonable minds making decisions, not their faith driving them on some kind of internal autopilot.

Anyway, this cycle repeats and repeats and repeats with extremist movements and Islam. Every once in awhile, an upstart extremist movement rises up that thinks it's about to take over the world Right Now. And the only way to get rid of it is to beat the living crap out of it and convince it it's not.

And then when the Muslims around that group figure "it's not time yet"--then you're dealing with folks who are pretty much just as peacable as anybody else--until it ...


Aw...the precious wall flower is scared of the brown people...how sweet. Ladies and gentlemen! The True American (TM). So completely taken in by fear and xenophobia that she doesn't see her own farking hypocricy.
My sweet idiot, do you realize that even the most literal interpretation of Islam and the Qur'an shares the exact same view of the End of Days (whatever you want to call it) as main stream Christianity (just with Jesus fighting on a different side)? As a matter of fact is there any Abrahamic religion that does not basically say 'eventually the Messiah will return and your people will prosper' in many pointless words?
God, I hope this makes you shiat your pants every time you see a Christian, Jew or Muslim. You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite now would you?
 
2012-05-11 04:58:52 PM
Came for a Dresden Files reference. Leaving kind of satisfied.

//I Wish more Farkers were real nerds though.
 
2012-05-11 07:09:06 PM
Too easy.

Make peace, now.

Thank you.

;)
 
2012-05-11 07:10:34 PM
ObscureNameHere: SouthernFriedYankee: ObscureNameHere: SouthernFriedYankee:

Islam is involved in almost every armed conflict in the world, and it's been that way for decades.


Northern Ireland and Rwanda look at you quizzically....

Go ask Mr. Google to define almost for you, mm'kay?

;)
Vietnam War, Falkand Islands War, Grenada Incident, Korean War, Bay of Pigs Invasion also are curious where the 'most' line gets drawn...

/sorry, did I break some 'WHARRGGBLLL!' in process?

// I will concede your point when focused on the last 20 years since Gulf War 1.


They was involved, they was just schemin' tha whole time.
 
2012-05-11 07:28:43 PM
Isn't this one of those "what if" scenarios the military is always writing procedures for? They've even writen one for war with the U.K. There's probably one for dealing with Canada (bloody unlikely) and Mexico (in the realm of possibilities).
 
2012-05-11 07:32:42 PM
Confront them with annihilation, and they will then survive; plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live. When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory. -Sun Tzu

The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.-Sun Tzu

Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.-Sun Tzu

For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.-Sun Tzu

There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited.-Sun Tzu

/read him a long time ago seemed relevant
 
2012-05-11 07:38:42 PM
Put them all to the sword, God shall know his own.
 
2012-05-11 08:09:13 PM
Oldiron_79: Put them all to the sword, God shall know his own.

Considering what He did to His own son, I just bet He shall.
 
2012-05-11 09:40:13 PM
I'd probably rank Islam as #1 in "current religion incompatible with civilization's advancement" list that I don't maintain. Christianity did its best, but it was subdued a while back for the most part. Sorry guys, there's always next year.

Their culture is farked up, their countries are farked up, their region is farked up, hell even their natural environment is farked up.
Aladdin is pretty cool, though.
 
2012-05-11 10:26:46 PM
Forced Perspective: Islam has already declared total war on the West. The only question is whether the west will fight back. So far, it's not looking good.

Your handle seems appropriate.
 
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