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		Defense Department Joint Forces Staff College advocates 'total war' on Islam using "the historical precedents of Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki" to Makkah and Medinah (wired.com)		156
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unlikely		2012-05-11 08:57:22 AM

Yes, incinerate civilians. THAT won't bring the entire world down on our heads.

Jebus Slaves		2012-05-11 09:03:17 AM

Maybe if they spent more time rubbing one out they wouldn't fantasize about rubbing out a bunch of other people

Generation_D		2012-05-11 09:20:53 AM

Ya know, that part of the country still refers to the West as "crusaders." Referencing 1000 years ago's mistaken attempt at genocidal invasion.

Nothing like fueling their own holy war fan-fic with some of your own, you miserable neocon traitors.

Weaver95		2012-05-11 09:33:48 AM

unlikely: Yes, incinerate civilians. THAT won't bring the entire world down on our heads.

I think most of the world is looking at this country and wondering WTF is wrong with us.

This About That		2012-05-11 09:39:29 AM

This guy is not the only far-right nut case in the military, either. If you haven't found something to terrify you about our future, there is a candidate.

unlikely		2012-05-11 09:49:00 AM

Weaver95: unlikely: Yes, incinerate civilians. THAT won't bring the entire world down on our heads.

I think most of the world is looking at this country and wondering WTF is wrong with us.

Yes... but this would take it from "WTF" to "Okay, time to put down the rabid dog" and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have a hard time building coalition, as it were.

hubiestubert		2012-05-11 10:18:20 AM

How about the Commies? HOW DOES HE FEEL ABOUT THE COMMIE MENACE?

quickdraw		2012-05-11 10:31:05 AM

hubiestubert: How about the Commies? HOW DOES HE FEEL ABOUT THE COMMIE MENACE?

lol!

I just dont understand why anyone looks at the crusades and thinks "that's a good idea!" At least pattern yourself after Alexander the Great.

DammitIForgotMyLogin		2012-05-11 10:44:20 AM

Generation_D: Ya know, that part of the country still refers to the West as "crusaders." Referencing 1000 years ago's mistaken attempt at genocidal invasion.

Nothing like fueling their own holy war fan-fic with some of your own, you miserable neocon traitors.

I wonder why they might think that

Pants full of macaroni!!		2012-05-11 10:48:25 AM

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher		2012-05-11 10:49:01 AM

Boy, a religious war right about now sounds fantastic. There is nothing like showing we've all moved forward as a species like an attempt to wipe out an entire group of people based on their religion and culture. This should be super exciting too now that we can add nukes into the mix.

LineNoise		2012-05-11 10:49:43 AM

You do realize that things that are taught in war college classes aren't actual operative plans. Its like when we draw up plans to invade canada and such. It is only an exercise as to how you could use your forces.

Edsel		2012-05-11 10:49:55 AM

Islam is a violent religion bent on destruction! That's why in order to fight them, we need to lay entire cities and countries to waste and exterminate millions of innocent civilians - to show how non-violent and peaceful we are.

janzee		2012-05-11 10:50:15 AM

Hey wait... Medina is a nice neighborhood. Bill Gates lives there...

Cheron		2012-05-11 10:50:20 AM

So option A is ethnic cleansing?

thecpt		2012-05-11 10:50:33 AM

Oh I've been waiting for the next total war game!

Snowflake Tubbybottom		2012-05-11 10:50:34 AM

Just think of it as today's mutually assured destruction without it being all atomicy on our soil.

TheShavingofOccam123		2012-05-11 10:50:51 AM

Army Lt. Col. Matthew A. Dooley

Remember that name. God forbid Romney gets elected, I believe we will see the first full bird colonel serving as Army Chief of Staff. You heard it here first.

/CBS cares
/Balls

discgolfguru		2012-05-11 10:52:11 AM

Weaver95: unlikely: Yes, incinerate civilians. THAT won't bring the entire world down on our heads.

I think most of the world is looking at this country and wondering WTF is wrong with us.

I often think of America as a really fat girl in a skimpy outfit. She goes out in public, proud of her appearance, and when others question her choices, she walks on, confident in the fact that she looks damn sexy and that everyone else is just jealous.

fluffy2097		2012-05-11 10:52:17 AM

Well. If that's the case...

I guess Iran really DOES need a nuclear deterrent.

/I remember when America was the good guy :(

CygnusDarius		2012-05-11 10:52:42 AM

unlikely: Weaver95: unlikely: Yes, incinerate civilians. THAT won't bring the entire world down on our heads.

I think most of the world is looking at this country and wondering WTF is wrong with us.

Yes... but this would take it from "WTF" to "Okay, time to put down the rabid dog" and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have a hard time building coalition, as it were.

Not if the US threatens the world to bomb key nations if they rally against them.

/Like a drunken pyscho ex
//With a gun
///Italian
////And a redhead, just to up the crazy

Red Shirt Blues		2012-05-11 10:52:49 AM

Approves!

The Stealth Hippopotamus		2012-05-11 10:53:04 AM

Well, do you want to win or drag this out for another couple of centuries?

Jake Havechek		2012-05-11 10:53:25 AM

Didn't Hitler try "total war"? Didn't work out so well for him.

Rapmaster2000		2012-05-11 10:53:44 AM

"We have now come to understand that there is no such thing as 'moderate Islam,'" Dooley noted in a July 2011 presentation (.pdf), which concluded with a suggested manifesto to America's enemies. "It is therefore time for the United States to make our true intentions clear. This barbaric ideology will no longer be tolerated. Islam must change or we will facilitate its self-destruction."

So it must change... but it can't change. Great logic work there, Delbert.

HotWingConspiracy		2012-05-11 10:54:00 AM

So how exactly do we bring christians to heel in this country? They've hijacked everything and are apparently planning on a Neo Crusades with our money and blood.

fluffy2097		2012-05-11 10:54:51 AM

Cheron: So option A is ethnic cleansing?

NO! that would be highly immoral and wrong.

We are going to kill EVERYONE, and let Jesus Christ Our Lord And Savior (TM)(R)(C)(All rights Reserved), sort them out.

/The innocent will just get into Heaven sooner. Nothing wrong with that.

Yellow Beard		2012-05-11 10:55:24 AM

LineNoise: You do realize that things that are taught in war college classes aren't actual operative plans. Its like when we draw up plans to invade canada and such. It is only an exercise as to how you could use your forces.

To be fair, didn't only the Salvation Army draw up that plan?

Giltric		2012-05-11 10:55:40 AM

It's refreshing to see a course offered that doesn't teach you to hate America, but rather how to be hated.

SnarfVader		2012-05-11 10:56:14 AM

This is why we can't have nice things!

Seriously, this guy is appalling and needs to be marched out of the military pronto. Guys like this also believe a military coup is inevitable and for the greater good.

fluffy2097		2012-05-11 10:56:36 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: full bird colonel

I'm not a military person. What does this mean?

SnarfVader		2012-05-11 10:58:14 AM

fluffy2097: TheShavingofOccam123: full bird colonel

I'm not a military person. What does this mean?

The emblem for a Colonel (and Captain in the Navy) is an eagle.

jso2897		2012-05-11 10:58:27 AM

discgolfguru: Weaver95: unlikely: Yes, incinerate civilians. THAT won't bring the entire world down on our heads.

I think most of the world is looking at this country and wondering WTF is wrong with us.

I often think of America as a really fat girl in a skimpy outfit. She goes out in public, proud of her appearance, and when others question her choices, she walks on, confident in the fact that she looks damn sexy and that everyone else is just jealous.

So, you're saying we are the collective equivalent of "Tanning Mom"?

DavidVincent		2012-05-11 10:59:09 AM

Rapmaster2000: "We have now come to understand that there is no such thing as 'moderate Islam,'" Dooley noted in a July 2011 presentation (.pdf), which concluded with a suggested manifesto to America's enemies. "It is therefore time for the United States to make our true intentions clear. This barbaric ideology will no longer be tolerated. Islam must change or we will facilitate its self-destruction."

So it must change... but it can't change. Great logic work there, Delbert.

High fences make for for good neighbors. Let's mind our own bidness.
Its too late for Europe. They let too many in.

Fano		2012-05-11 10:59:29 AM

We will make a desert... more deserty and call it peace

This text is now purple		2012-05-11 10:59:39 AM

quickdraw: hubiestubert: How about the Commies? HOW DOES HE FEEL ABOUT THE COMMIE MENACE?

lol!

I just dont understand why anyone looks at the crusades and thinks "that's a good idea!" At least pattern yourself after Alexander the Great.

They accomplished most of their goals.

1. Took the fight from Europe to Africa/Asia
2. Partially united the fragmented, smaller European monarchies
3. Sent their unemployed mercenaries somewhere else

jjhinnola		2012-05-11 11:00:23 AM

darwinsmonkey		2012-05-11 11:00:30 AM

So it goes.

pag1107		2012-05-11 11:00:37 AM

Smile, nod and quietly transfer that guy to permanent command of a johnny detail.

discgolfguru		2012-05-11 11:00:47 AM

jso2897: So, you're saying we are the collective equivalent of "Tanning Mom"?

Nah, tanning mom had a sense of humor about herself.

TheShavingofOccam123		2012-05-11 11:01:01 AM

LineNoise: You do realize that things that are taught in war college classes aren't actual operative plans.

You're right. Some of it is racist propaganda meant to poison the troops and their officers.

"We have now come to understand that there is no such thing as 'moderate Islam,'" Dooley noted in a July 2011 presentation

One of the reasons why our high echelon officers in WWII didn't believe the rumors
about Nazi extermination programs was the terrible propaganda issued against Germany in WWI.

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Giltric		2012-05-11 11:01:26 AM

fluffy2097: TheShavingofOccam123: full bird colonel

I'm not a military person. What does this mean?

Colonle insignia is an Eagle. Calling them a full bird refers to that insignia rather then the lower ranked Lt; Col which has the insignia of an Oak leaf.

Forced Perspective		2012-05-11 11:01:26 AM

Islam has already declared total war on the West. The only question is whether the west will fight back. So far, it's not looking good.

jso2897		2012-05-11 11:01:40 AM

discgolfguru: jso2897: So, you're saying we are the collective equivalent of "Tanning Mom"?

Nah, tanning mom had a sense of humor about herself.

Well, we have Joe Biden.

liam76		2012-05-11 11:01:59 AM

I got no problem saying Islam has problem with fundamentalism (there is no major non-fundamentalist branch) and with extremism. But it is farking retarded to think you can fix it with war. It is even more retarded to think you are any better than their extremists if you think it is ok to try and do so.

gaslight		2012-05-11 11:02:57 AM

So few people are capable of thinking strategically generally, it's not surprising that one finds a similar constraint in the military. Okay, let's say we give this guy a magic wand and he gets to wage total unlimited war, with no budgetary constraints. Okay, then what? Well, you have one third of the world against you and your friends will be embarrassed to be seen with you. How, exactly, is this in the long term interests of the US?

They may be shunting this guy into a corner writing idiot reports about impossible strategies because he'shiat his Peter Principle limit.

cgraves67		2012-05-11 11:03:27 AM

I'm not against Sherman-style total war as a means to an end, but fer gods' sakes, we aren't at war with Islam!

aagrajag		2012-05-11 11:05:33 AM

discgolfguru: Weaver95: unlikely: Yes, incinerate civilians. THAT won't bring the entire world down on our heads.

I think most of the world is looking at this country and wondering WTF is wrong with us.

I often think of America as a really fat girl in a skimpy outfit. She goes out in public, proud of her appearance, and when others question her choices, she walks on, confident in the fact that she looks damn sexy and that everyone else is just jealous.

I always anthropomorphised the US as Nelson Muntz: fat, ugly and stupid, but can totally kick your ass.

So we generally just mind our own business and hope you choose some other kid to beat up at recess.

Xythero		2012-05-11 11:05:41 AM

FTFA: "Some of these actions offered for consideration here will not be seen as 'political correct' in the eyes of many," Dooley adds. "Ultimately, we can do very little in the West to decide this matter, short of waging total war."

I love how genocide is not "political correct." Like its on par with calling Chinese people Oriental.