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2012-05-10 08:36:10 PM  
But three years after a jury convicted her in a conspiracy to smuggle at least a ton of cocaine on tour buses from Mexico to Houston,

Smuggling, huh? I'm not so sure I feel sorry for her. Wait, I know I don't.
 
2012-05-10 08:37:45 PM  
FTFA: Castillo maintains her innocence, saying she was tricked into unknowingly helping transport drugs and money for a big trafficker in Mexico. But she refused to plead guilty and went to trial.

She has always maintained her innocence, yet refused to plead guilty. What a crazy broad!
 
2012-05-10 08:38:34 PM  
The punishments for cocaine have always been harsh, that's why it's so farking expensive. And she tried to smuggle a ton of it. Sucks to be you grandma.
 
2012-05-10 08:38:55 PM  
Ignoring everything else is the sexism inherent in criticizing her sentence.

This is a 56 year old woman -- think Madonna's age.

But oh no, instead of complaining about the sentence it's all "grandmother".

If this were a man, think Tom Hank's age, would we be complaining about the life sentence of the poor grandfather?
 
2012-05-10 08:40:59 PM  

Bondith: Life? For a grandma? It's not like it's going to be that long...


She's 56 years old. What's not long? 20, 30 years?

I know some women, grandmothers at 40. Why is this headlined "grandmother"!?
 
2012-05-10 08:44:41 PM  
All you dipshiats saying "Oh, she played the game she should do the time blah blah blah" are missing the essential point here. Well, points.

1. She would have been offered a plea bargain IF she had had something to "trade", but she didn't. So she gets life in prison.
2. Other thugs and killers, who did MUCH MUCH worse than just transport coke DID have something to "trade"--so they're getting the deal this old lady couldn't make.
3. Even the prosecutor admits that you have to play the system to get your out of jail free card.

Cardenas once led one of Mexico's most powerful syndicates and created the Zetas gang. He pleaded guilty in Houston and is to be released by 2025. He'll be 57.

So, think of that as you're heaping scorn on this old lady who turned a blind eye to the drugs on her bus. She'll never be getting out of prison, and apparently you think that's AOK--but the head of the Zetas cartel will be out of prison in about ten years, and younger then than she is now, and ready to get back to work, because he had "information to trade." Yay the American judicial system!
 
2012-05-10 08:44:46 PM  
With a system this much out of balance we need to punish those who made the laws for cruelty to humanity.
 
2012-05-10 08:46:14 PM  
SN1987a goes boom: But three years after a jury convicted her in a conspiracy to smuggle at least a ton of cocaine on tour buses from Mexico to Houston,

Smuggling, huh? I'm not so sure I feel sorry for her. Wait, I know I don't.


No, no. You don't understand. If It wasn't for the evil industrial-pharmaceutical conspiracy to keep all drugs illegal, this woman would have done nothing wrong. If only they'd legalize everything, then all crime would magically disappear!
 
2012-05-10 08:46:53 PM  

Nadie_AZ: So we set up a system to prevent poor people from bettering themselves.

Then we set up a system to arrest people who get desperate to provide for their families. all the kids they keep having because they won't use contraception.

Then we up the budget of the Private Prison Industry.

 
2012-05-10 08:49:35 PM  
As an occasional cocaine indulger who has the disposable income and the luck of having a skin color that keep serious legal troubles a distant threat, I applaud your sacrifice grandma!

The next rail is for you.
 
2012-05-10 08:50:09 PM  
I know a woman who was a granny at 32.

A tone of cocaine.

When she was caught.

Yeah, I don't believe her.
 
2012-05-10 08:52:31 PM  

Gyrfalcon: All you dipshiats saying "Oh, she played the game she should do the time blah blah blah" are missing the essential point here. Well, points.1. She would have been offered a plea bargain IF she had had something to "trade", but she didn't. So she gets life in prison.2. Other thugs and killers, who did MUCH MUCH worse than just transport coke DID have something to "trade"--so they're getting the deal this old lady couldn't make.3. Even the prosecutor admits that you have to play the system to get your out of jail free card.


It's reasonable to be both upset that prosecutors play sentencing games and be okay with providing a harsh sentence to this woman in jail for conspiracy to transport a literal ton of cocaine.

I don't see these as conflicting ideas.
 
2012-05-10 08:54:10 PM  

Silly Jesus: 1. Drug laws are asinine.
2. Grandma is an idiot.
3. Sentence is too harsh.


Done. Now the rest of you STFU.
 
2012-05-10 08:58:05 PM  
Just to clarify this for the people who hit the snooze button when their conscience went off:

Even if she is guilty, life without parole is unjust for what she did

We are committing a bigger crime against her than she did against us.
 
2012-05-10 09:01:30 PM  

docbenspock: but over the spank of years it is unbelievable


How many years is a spank?
 
2012-05-10 09:05:44 PM  
1 ton of blow... subby don't be a retard
 
2012-05-10 09:08:11 PM  
"But three years after a jury convicted her in a conspiracy to smuggle at least a ton of cocaine on tour buses from Mexico to Houston, the 56-year-old first-time offender is locked up for life - without parole."

That sounds like a completely life-in-jail worthy crime. Cocaine is not marijuana people. That shiat is dangerous, and there's a good reason we make it illegal. To say nothing of who she would be selling that kind of load to. Gangs most likely. She probably helped fund enough murders to deserve twice what she got.
 
2012-05-10 09:12:32 PM  

ignacio: That sounds like a completely life-in-jail worthy crime. Cocaine is not marijuana people. That shiat is dangerous, and there's a good reason we make it illegal. To say nothing of who she would be selling that kind of load to. Gangs most likely. She probably helped fund enough murders to deserve twice what she got.


Coke should certainly be legal, and if helping Gangs is a life in prison-able offense then pretty much anyone who supports the war on drugs in any meaningful fashion should be incarcerated for life, since said gangs would not exist without ridiculous prohibition.
 
2012-05-10 09:13:47 PM  

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: All you dipshiats saying "Oh, she played the game she should do the time blah blah blah" are missing the essential point here. Well, points.1. She would have been offered a plea bargain IF she had had something to "trade", but she didn't. So she gets life in prison.2. Other thugs and killers, who did MUCH MUCH worse than just transport coke DID have something to "trade"--so they're getting the deal this old lady couldn't make.3. Even the prosecutor admits that you have to play the system to get your out of jail free card.

It's reasonable to be both upset that prosecutors play sentencing games and be okay with providing a harsh sentence to this woman in jail for conspiracy to transport a literal ton of cocaine.

I don't see these as conflicting ideas.


They're not--but everyone is concentrating on blaming granny for being stupid, and ignoring the fact that at the same time she was locked up for life for smuggling her ton of coke, a metric ass-ton of other dealers, smugglers and cartel warlords cut their deals and will be out to deal, smuggle, and cut off heads while this old woman is still rotting in prison.

Why no outrage for the fact which I pointed out, that Zeta-kingpin Oscar Cardenas, currently in prison in Houston, cut his deal with the same federal prosecutor who sent the granny to jail for life, and will be OUT in 2025, at the tender age of 57, and head straight back to Mexico to play with his Zeta buddies? Better to let the cooperators go free? Is Cardenas going to "learn his lesson" or something? (yeah right) Or do we just buy into the idea that gaming the system is good and not having something to "deal" with is bad so you should suffer for it?
 
2012-05-10 09:20:24 PM  
lilplatinum: ignacio: That sounds like a completely life-in-jail worthy crime. Cocaine is not marijuana people. That shiat is dangerous, and there's a good reason we make it illegal. To say nothing of who she would be selling that kind of load to. Gangs most likely. She probably helped fund enough murders to deserve twice what she got.

Coke should certainly be legal, and if helping Gangs is a life in prison-able offense then pretty much anyone who supports the war on drugs in any meaningful fashion should be incarcerated for life, since said gangs would not exist without ridiculous prohibition.


What?

WHAT?

Uh, Gangs have existed long, long before the prohibition on drugs. Before cocaine, it was alcohol. Before alcohol, it was because you weren't the same shade of white protestant as the white catholic in power.

Gangs will continue to exist as long as violent men crave power.
 
2012-05-10 09:27:09 PM  

BronyMedic: Uh, Gangs have existed long, long before the prohibition on drugs. Before cocaine, it was alcohol. Before alcohol, it was because you weren't the same shade of white protestant as the white catholic in power.

Gangs will continue to exist as long as violent men crave power.


Gangs certainly will never go away as a concept, but they are certainly strengthened through idioitic laws that create gigantic black markets and by the imbeciles who support said laws. These gangs in particular are absolutely direct products of prohibition, hell the entire framework of North American organized crime was kicked into hyperdrive by organized crime.

Prohibition enables these organizations to thrive and gain far more power than they would have in their shiatty little ghettos normally.
 
2012-05-10 09:28:39 PM  

ArkAngel: From the article, it sounds to me like she made herself willfully ignorant of the smuggling. Not feeling much sympathy, despite my pro-legalization stance


Yup. She accepted the money, she turned a blind eye to what was really going on.

Gig103: namatad: and your complaint is that you had nothing to trade? ROFL

Not quite. The complaint is that people who do far worse than this woman, but DO have something to trade, get light sentences. If life without parole is the sentence, then it should be unilaterally applied to everyone. But that won't happen because there needs to be loopholes for the rich, the privileged, and a way to gain intelligence without resorting to more controversial methods (aka torture and interrogation).


Yeah, the usual game is to trade a lighter sentence for rolling over on the guy above you. For the cops working their way up the drug ladder this is a good system. Unfortunately, it fails very badly with the people on the edge of the drug trade that don't know anything.
 
2012-05-10 09:29:46 PM  
The reason prosecutors and the police cut deals with suspects is so that they can more effectively incarcerate more dangerous, more numerous or more prolific criminals. Many (but not all) of the more heavy criminals mentioned gave up information and testimony that led to more effective prosecution and more jail time for many, many other criminals. The argument that "she is only screwed because she has nothing to trade" is true, but very misleading. If she had something to trade and she traded it, theoretically, a more dangerous or more prolific criminal would be facing more charges and more time in her stead.

Considering how she was right smack in the middle of this, my guess is she did have information to trade but elected not to. (Just a guess on my part).
 
2012-05-10 09:31:35 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Why no outrage for the fact which I pointed out, that Zeta-kingpin Oscar Cardenas, currently in prison in Houston, cut his deal with the same federal prosecutor who sent the granny to jail for life, and will be OUT in 2025, at the tender age of 57, and head straight back to Mexico to play with his Zeta buddies? Better to let the cooperators go free? Is Cardenas going to "learn his lesson" or something? (yeah right) Or do we just buy into the idea that gaming the system is good and not having something to "deal" with is bad so you should suffer for it?


I think it's perfectly reasonable to be outraged by that, but I tend to think that's a different article, a different thread.

I know squat about drugs and distribution, but what ignacio says sounds reasonable, "Gangs most likely. She probably helped fund enough murders to deserve twice what she got."

If she was given a life sentence because someone in her minivan had 3oz of coke and was going to sell it, I could understand the outrage about her sentence.

If she really is a "manager" as the article says, in the transport of 1 ton of coke, then well, to hell with her.

(I'm not typically fond of managers in most cases, anyway)
 
2012-05-10 09:33:56 PM  
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Fark her.
 
2012-05-10 09:36:13 PM  
A *ton* of cocaine?
 
2012-05-10 09:39:34 PM  
This judicial opinion is related to her appeal: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/09-20361/09- 20361.0.wpd-2011-02-10.pdf?1301275282

TLDR: There is no way in hell she didn't know she was trafficking cocaine. Read the facts.
 
2012-05-10 09:39:37 PM  
I wonder if the jury even knew they could have prevented this.
 
2012-05-10 09:50:16 PM  

KidneyStone: My sister melted her brain on coke in the late 70's and went from a good person to a mental mess because of it.

Anyone dealing in coke in any way can die in a goddam fire.


Countless people through the history of the civilization (and I bet many relatives of people in this thread) have "melted their brains" on alcohol, I wonder do you wish immolation on every brewer, distiller, bartender, bodega owner, and gas station clerk as well?
 
2012-05-10 09:56:46 PM  
meh fark her, drug dealers are parasites. The sentence could not be harsh enough.

like pedophiles they should be lined up against a wall 5minutes after trial and shot, or whatever that states capital punishment is. It should be televised as well, sorta like american idol. call it American Criminal.

I dont know about you, but that would deter me from commiting crimes.
 
2012-05-10 10:06:36 PM  

KidneyStone: My sister melted her brain on coke in the late 70's and went from a good person to a mental mess because of it.

Anyone dealing in coke in any way can die in a goddam fire.

Screw granny. She knew what she was doing. I hope she dies cold, lonely and alone. Or on fire, lonely and alone. Either way works for me


Who rustled your farking jimmies? So, because your sister was a dumb coont, other people who can handle their shiat deserve to die cold/on fire and alone? Sack the fark up, your sister made her choices. That is no reason to wish ill on another person unless they were shoveling coke up her nose against her will. It's this level of emotional crap that keeps draconian laws on the books that harm way more people than the occasional coke-head. People in power prey on your handwringing to help keep "scary" drugs illegal.

Jesus Christ, some people wouldn't be able to wipe their asses without the government making sure it was safe. Their not doing this for anyone's protection. Nobody buys that line of bullshiat anymore.
 
2012-05-10 10:16:50 PM  

BronyMedic: SN1987a goes boom: But three years after a jury convicted her in a conspiracy to smuggle at least a ton of cocaine on tour buses from Mexico to Houston,

Smuggling, huh? I'm not so sure I feel sorry for her. Wait, I know I don't.

No, no. You don't understand. If It wasn't for the evil industrial-pharmaceutical conspiracy to keep all drugs illegal, this woman would have done nothing wrong. If only they'd legalize everything, then all crime would magically disappear!


Logically, if nothing is illegal, it is impossible to commit a crime. But I like your snark.
 
2012-05-10 10:22:04 PM  
In her defense, how could she have known that selling drugs in America was a bad idea that could have serious repercussions? I mean really!
 
2012-05-10 10:23:35 PM  

Silly Jesus: 1. Drug laws are asinine.
2. Grandma is an idiot.
3. Sentence is too harsh.


It's all right here, folks.
 
2012-05-10 10:28:42 PM  
The penalty doesn't really fit the crime, but it is a crime none the less that she choose to do. No one forced her. Id like to see her get out just so we don't have to spend tax money on her jail time.
 
2012-05-10 10:37:41 PM  

fluffy2097: It's hard to take the side of someone who conspired to move half a ton of cocaine.

/Jail is for law breakers
//Who you are should not matter. Peasants and kings should be seen the same by the law.


Well, if you look at the situation there was only the 1/4ton of cocaine that arrived at the station.

/and that was cut
 
2012-05-10 10:54:56 PM  
Regional cocaine distributor gets harsh sentence. Gosh, let me break out the tiny violin.

Having said that, a life sentence does seem a bit off for this non-violent crime. Sounds like some federal prosecutor was trying to set an example. Let her out in 15 years. Debt to society served.
 
2012-05-10 11:00:53 PM  

Forced Perspective: This judicial opinion is related to her appeal: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/09-20361/09- 20361.0.wpd-2011-02-10.pdf?1301275282

TLDR: There is no way in hell she didn't know she was trafficking cocaine. Read the facts.


It's even worse than I thought. I figured maybe she had figured out what was going on but looked the other way. From that opinion, it seems that she was deeply ingrained.

Fark her.
 
2012-05-11 12:47:44 AM  

Forced Perspective: This judicial opinion is related to her appeal: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/09-20361/09- 20361.0.wpd-2011-02-10.pdf?1301275282

TLDR: There is no way in hell she didn't know she was trafficking cocaine. Read the facts.


Yeah. That's knowledge, not even willful blindness.

ArkAngel: Forced Perspective: This judicial opinion is related to her appeal: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/09-20361/09- 20361.0.wpd-2011-02-10.pdf?1301275282

TLDR: There is no way in hell she didn't know she was trafficking cocaine. Read the facts.

It's even worse than I thought. I figured maybe she had figured out what was going on but looked the other way. From that opinion, it seems that she was deeply ingrained.

Fark her.


Yeah, that was my thought, also. From the initial article I figured she was one of the certainly-should-have-known cases but what the court wrote is damning.
 
2012-05-11 01:04:08 AM  

SwingDancer: meh fark her, drug dealers lawmakers are parasites. The sentence could not be harsh enough.

like pedophiles they should be lined up against a wall 5minutes after trial and shot, or whatever that states capital punishment is. It should be televised as well, sorta like american idol. call it American Criminal.

I dont know about you, but that would deter me from commiting crimes.


Fixed that for you.
Though I do not agree with lining people up for summary execution. That's too totalitarian for my tastes.

Seriously, you need to pull your head out of your ass and wake up, this is no longer the 80's.
 
2012-05-11 01:38:33 AM  
I saw the granny headline and thought "set for life." I saw her age ans thought, "maybe not," but still:
She was in her 50s when convicted. If we're going to be "equal," we'd let her out in 2025. She'd be 69.
Her ultimate career highlight was either:
1: So desperate for a job she is willing to believe that most passengers and packages everywhere carry drugs; or
2. A low status, high viz participant in the drug trade.
Neither of these offer much in the way of re-entry programs or retirement packages if you aren't "family."
Let's assume she has other salable skills; it's still not easy to reinvent your career when your are 69 and a convicted felon.

So maybe this was a humanitarian gesture by the courts.
She was just granted food, shelter, clothing, activities and family visitation time for life. Maybe it came a decade or two earlier than she'd bargained for, but it's a bargain many seniors are considering. Her bus just got short-tripped.
 
2012-05-11 01:39:41 AM  
Golly Gee...
If all college edumacated twatwaffles and mothers little helper hollywoood scabs didn't want coke in the first place (like say... your last fukhead president) you wouldn't have people like this taking the fall for you and doing life with pedos and killers.

Go have your hypocritical triple martini and think about your past and your future vote.

... and quit being ignorant!
 
2012-05-11 01:50:23 AM  

Barbecue Bob: Golly Gee...

Go have your hypocritical triple martini and think about your past and your future vote.

... and quit being ignorant!


As much as I agree with you, that sounds yummy!

Patron silver* Hypnotic liqueur*splash sour*
Cranberry *Lime garnish
http://www.seasonsofcda.com/template1internal.html (#8)
 
2012-05-11 01:54:30 AM  

docbenspock: OK, I was totally ready to get outraged by poor granny going to jail for a blunt on her person but come on! A ton of cocaine?!

That is 2000 to 2204 (if metric ton) pounds of cocaine! 1000 kgs for you Canadian farkers! 157 stone to you UK residents.

That is literally a shiat ton of cocaine.

I'm sorry but unless she is really unlucky, I doubt this was her first time. God only knows how many tons this lady has single-handedly trafficked.
She had it coming.


It's a stupid law in the first place. People should be allowed to ingest whatever they want. It's about time social conservatism was buried for good.
 
2012-05-11 02:18:46 AM  
I hate the drug war, but there is a reason laws are written to say "knowingly OR with reckless disregard".

Castillo claims she didn't know about the drug operation, but agents said she should have known something was wrong when quantities of money and drugs were repeatedly found on the coaches.

Repeatedly caught bringing in a load. Repeatedly released. Then finally charged after it had happened enough that it could be shown that she was being deliberately stupid so she could claim ignorance.

Drugs should not be illegal. However, nothing else stands out as crazy here. Old age isn't a reason to be above the law. The outrage of drug lords spending less time in is likewise not surprising: they put away enough other people by talking that the net value of their arrest is greater by allowing them to plea upon condition of being a snitch. That's pretty standard shiat. She was further offered a plea and passed on it, and then surprise had the book thrown at her.

Her chances were quitting the smuggling business the multiple other times she was caught, and fessing up to it when they finally charged her. She took one chance too many and lost.
 
2012-05-11 02:39:59 AM  
I dunno. The cartels have a way of making you comply with their requests. Yanno, with guns, murdering your family and shiat. I'd make myself way freaking willfully ignorant too. They really hate the word "no."
 
2012-05-11 02:46:31 AM  

rev. dave: SwingDancer: meh fark her, drug dealers lawmakers are parasites. The sentence could not be harsh enough.

like pedophiles they should be lined up against a wall 5minutes after trial and shot, or whatever that states capital punishment is. It should be televised as well, sorta like american idol. call it American Criminal.

I dont know about you, but that would deter me from commiting crimes.

Fixed that for you.
Though I do not agree with lining people up for summary execution. That's too totalitarian for my tastes.

Seriously, you need to pull your head out of your ass and wake up, this is no longer the 80's.


OOOH Personal insults as a way to disprove me. you doo doo head. see i can do it too. If you want to add Politicians to the mix, go ahead. but as long as they dont break the laws and prey on innocents while doing it, i think that might be a bit extreme.
 
2012-05-11 03:14:51 AM  

Smackledorfer: I hate the drug war, but there is a reason laws are written to say "knowingly OR with reckless disregard".

Castillo claims she didn't know about the drug operation, but agents said she should have known something was wrong when quantities of money and drugs were repeatedly found on the coaches.

Repeatedly caught bringing in a load. Repeatedly released. Then finally charged after it had happened enough that it could be shown that she was being deliberately stupid so she could claim ignorance.

Some drugs should not be illegal, depending on whether, on balance, criminalization or legalization yields the best net social benefit. However, nothing else stands out as crazy here. Old age isn't a reason to be above the law. The outrage of drug lords spending less time in is likewise not surprising: they put away enough other people by talking that the net value of their arrest is greater by allowing them to plea upon condition of being a snitch. That's pretty standard shiat. She was further offered a plea and passed on it, and then surprise had the book thrown at her.

Her chances were quitting the smuggling business the multiple other times she was caught, and fessing up to it when they finally charged her. She took one chance too many and lost.


This.

But note bolded modification.
 
2012-05-11 03:19:01 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Or do we just buy into the idea that gaming the system is good


When certain criminal defendants "game" the system, as you say, by handing over information which leads to the apprehension and conviction of higher value targets, yes, that sort of system gaming yields a net social benefit.


and not having something to "deal" with is bad so you should suffer for it?


She did have something to deal with. She was offered a plea deal, and she declined it.
 
2012-05-11 04:57:25 AM  
a ton of coke....... how any lives did that fark up?
how many people died during the distribution?
how many deaths attributable directly to funding the coke?

life sentence? yeah pass me the worlds smallest violin and I'll play you a tune
 
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