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2012-05-10 04:58:04 PM  
That's harsh.
 
2012-05-10 04:58:30 PM  
From the article, it sounds to me like she made herself willfully ignorant of the smuggling. Not feeling much sympathy, despite my pro-legalization stance
 
2012-05-10 05:02:30 PM  
Le sigh

If only we could give this kind of punishment to first time child sex offenders.

/too damned harsh? You damned right!
 
2012-05-10 05:03:31 PM  
Here in PA, carrying paraphernalia is 5 times more harsh than having a small bag of weed.

Those prisons aren't going to fill themselves, you know. And Correction Corporation of America's CEO is expecting his fat bonus. So suck it up, little campers, we have to have inmates in those cells.
 
2012-05-10 05:03:48 PM  
So we set up a system to prevent poor people from bettering themselves.

Then we set up a system to arrest people who get desperate to provide for their families.

Then we up the budget of the Private Prison Industry.
 
2012-05-10 05:04:15 PM  
That's a lot of coke, grandma.
 
2012-05-10 05:05:07 PM  

Nadie_AZ: So we set up a system to prevent poor people from bettering themselves.

Then we set up a system to arrest people who get desperate to provide for their families.

Then we up the budget of the Private Prison Industry.


How was Alex Jones's broadcast today? Did he start talking about the aliens again?
 
2012-05-10 05:05:34 PM  
They punish you if you don't take the deal.
 
2012-05-10 05:07:13 PM  

Revek: They punish you if you don't take the deal.


Not if you have a spare $100k to spend on lawyers, they don't.
 
2012-05-10 05:13:35 PM  

cman: Nadie_AZ: So we set up a system to prevent poor people from bettering themselves.

Then we set up a system to arrest people who get desperate to provide for their families.

Then we up the budget of the Private Prison Industry.

How was Alex Jones's broadcast today? Did he start talking about the aliens again?


It's amazing the stuff he says. Wait, who is Alex Jones?
 
2012-05-10 05:15:38 PM  

Nadie_AZ: cman: Nadie_AZ: So we set up a system to prevent poor people from bettering themselves.

Then we set up a system to arrest people who get desperate to provide for their families.

Then we up the budget of the Private Prison Industry.

How was Alex Jones's broadcast today? Did he start talking about the aliens again?

It's amazing the stuff he says. Wait, who is Alex Jones?


Everything you said in that statement is something that Alex Jones says on a consistant manner. This is his website Link
 
2012-05-10 05:15:48 PM  
I don't even think she did anything, beyond conspiracy. Thats a shiat ton of blow but life in prison for conspiring to smuggle!? This is disgusting.
 
2012-05-10 05:38:07 PM  
It certainly seems disproportionate. Then again, a metric ton of crack is not exactly the baggie of weed that I imagined when I first read the headline. Granny was into some serious shiat and got caught. Does she deserve life in prison? No. Is she innocent? Fark no.
 
2012-05-10 05:42:28 PM  

cman: Nadie_AZ: cman: Nadie_AZ: So we set up a system to prevent poor people from bettering themselves.

Then we set up a system to arrest people who get desperate to provide for their families.

Then we up the budget of the Private Prison Industry.

How was Alex Jones's broadcast today? Did he start talking about the aliens again?

It's amazing the stuff he says. Wait, who is Alex Jones?

Everything you said in that statement is something that Alex Jones says on a consistant manner. This is his website Link


Yikes!
 
2012-05-10 05:58:17 PM  

ArkAngel: From the article, it sounds to me like she made herself willfully ignorant of the smuggling. Not feeling much sympathy, despite my pro-legalization stance


Come on, life w/o parole? She gets the same punishment as a guy in a non-death penalty state who kills and eats his entire family?
 
2012-05-10 06:04:06 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Revek: They punish you if you don't take the deal.

Not if you have a spare $100k to spend on lawyers, they don't.


They seized the cash they found, right?
 
2012-05-10 06:13:47 PM  

Mugato: ArkAngel: From the article, it sounds to me like she made herself willfully ignorant of the smuggling. Not feeling much sympathy, despite my pro-legalization stance

Come on, life w/o parole? She gets the same punishment as a guy in a non-death penalty state who kills and eats his entire family?


Not saying that she deserves the sentence, but the headline is trying to make me feel sympathy for this "poor old woman caught in a web of deceit". Then the article reads like she willingly turned a blind eye to an obviously fake business.
 
2012-05-10 06:42:50 PM  
Well, we can't be soft on crime, now can we conservatives?

You people are the ones who gave us this. Why are you so offended about it now? Didn't expect it would ever be applied to anyone except black people?
 
2012-05-10 06:46:34 PM  

GAT_00: Well, we can't be soft on crime, now can we conservatives?

You people are the ones who gave us this. Why are you so offended about it now? Didn't expect it would ever be applied to anyone except black people?


She's hispanic right?
 
2012-05-10 07:03:13 PM  

GAT_00: Well, we can't be soft on crime, now can we conservatives?

You people are the ones who gave us this. Why are you so offended about it now? Didn't expect it would ever be applied to anyone except black people?


Somehow I don't think that conservatives are really upset over a Mexican woman going to jail for smuggling.

/Don't know if she's guilty or innocent.
 
2012-05-10 07:08:02 PM  
It's about time we got her.

/we've saved the children
 
2012-05-10 07:29:15 PM  

ArkAngel: From the article, it sounds to me like she made herself willfully ignorant of the smuggling. Not feeling much sympathy, despite my pro-legalization stance


this is what I was thinking
smuggling a ton of coke? LOL
and your complaint is that you had nothing to trade? ROFL
 
2012-05-10 07:32:18 PM  

namatad: and your complaint is that you had nothing to trade? ROFL


Not quite. The complaint is that people who do far worse than this woman, but DO have something to trade, get light sentences. If life without parole is the sentence, then it should be unilaterally applied to everyone. But that won't happen because there needs to be loopholes for the rich, the privileged, and a way to gain intelligence without resorting to more controversial methods (aka torture and interrogation).
 
jvl
2012-05-10 07:41:32 PM  
She was "tricked" into helping smuggle a ton of coke? Hope you like prison food grandma.
 
2012-05-10 07:43:29 PM  
All the justice you can afford.
 
2012-05-10 07:48:49 PM  
A ton? I wonder if it was uncut and super pure...I mean, I wouldn't know about such things.
 
2012-05-10 07:50:07 PM  
As much as I agree that the criminal justice system is really farked up, for some reason I don't think the case of a lady trying to smuggle a ton of drugs is going to be the flashpoint to begin change. This isn't like she got 20 years for having an ounce of grass. She chose poorly.
 
2012-05-10 07:52:42 PM  
It's hard to take the side of someone who conspired to move half a ton of cocaine.

/Jail is for law breakers
//Who you are should not matter. Peasants and kings should be seen the same by the law.
 
2012-05-10 07:53:12 PM  

skinink: As much as I agree that the criminal justice system is really farked up, for some reason I don't think the case of a lady trying to smuggle a ton of drugs is going to be the flashpoint to begin change. This isn't like she got 20 years for having an ounce of grass. She chose poorly.


Gotta go with this. I'm not exactly broken up about it.
 
2012-05-10 07:53:40 PM  
If the UK is the Nanny State, then the US is the Police State. Your 'justice' system is f*cked in the head.
 
2012-05-10 07:53:44 PM  
DNRTFA.

She was probably sentenced for Possession Of Excessive Melanin.
 
2012-05-10 07:55:31 PM  
OK, I was totally ready to get outraged by poor granny going to jail for a blunt on her person but come on! A ton of cocaine?!

That is 2000 to 2204 (if metric ton) pounds of cocaine! 1000 kgs for you Canadian farkers! 157 stone to you UK residents.

That is literally a shiat ton of cocaine.

I'm sorry but unless she is really unlucky, I doubt this was her first time. God only knows how many tons this lady has single-handedly trafficked.
She had it coming.
 
2012-05-10 07:56:42 PM  
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R E V E N U E !
 
2012-05-10 07:56:53 PM  

cman: Le sigh

If only we could give this kind of punishment to first time child sex offenders.

/too damned harsh? You damned right!


Such a proposal would be protested by the Catholic church as a violation of religious freedom.
 
2012-05-10 07:57:00 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Here in PA, carrying paraphernalia is 5 times more harsh than having a small bag of weed.

Those prisons aren't going to fill themselves, you know. And Correction Corporation of America's CEO is expecting his fat bonus. So suck it up, little campers, we have to have inmates in those cells.


How else are we supposed to maintain our #1 status?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-10 07:58:22 PM  

Revek: They punish you if you don't take the deal.


What I find shiatty is she was probably scared to say anything but they still will brag about putting a drug trafficker away for decades.

The drug war is bullshiat, and both political parties are guilty of adding to this bullshiat.
 
2012-05-10 07:58:25 PM  

fluffy2097: It's hard to take the side of someone who conspired to move half a ton of cocaine.

/Jail is for law breakers
//Who you are should not matter. Peasants and kings should be seen the same by the law.


She should get the same sentence as the bankers.
 
2012-05-10 07:59:43 PM  
The justice system is broken. The justice industry is making money hand over fist.
 
2012-05-10 08:00:39 PM  
1. Drug laws are asinine.
2. Grandma is an idiot.
3. Sentence is too harsh.
 
2012-05-10 08:01:02 PM  

docbenspock: OK, I was totally ready to get outraged by poor granny going to jail for a blunt on her person but come on! A ton of cocaine?!

That is 2000 to 2204 (if metric ton) pounds of cocaine! 1000 kgs for you Canadian farkers! 157 stone to you UK residents.

That is literally a shiat ton of cocaine.

I'm sorry but unless she is really unlucky, I doubt this was her first time. God only knows how many tons this lady has single-handedly trafficked.
She had it coming.


The problem is that it wasn't all at once, they don't say how long but it appears to be over a few years.
 
2012-05-10 08:04:57 PM  
Oh well. Play you pay. No sympathy here.
 
2012-05-10 08:05:31 PM  

Humean_Nature: It certainly seems disproportionate. Then again, a metric ton of crack is not exactly the baggie of weed that I imagined when I first read the headline. Granny was into some serious shiat and got caught. Does she deserve life in prison? No. Is she innocent? Fark no.


I have to agere. This isn't the injustice of locking up an elderly woman who smokes pot to treat her glaucoma. This woman thought she had enough plausible deniable to continue smuggling busloads of cocaine into the country. She didn't.
 
2012-05-10 08:05:57 PM  
"In 2010, of 1,766 defendants prosecuted for federal drug offenses in the Southern District of Texas - a region that reaches from Houston to the border - 93.2 percent pleaded guilty rather than face trial, according to the U.S. government. Of the defendants who didn't plead not guilty, 10 defendants were acquitted at trial. Also, 82 saw their cases dismissed."

Im really not sure which direction the article is trying to take us. 93.2% of people plead guilty... and of the remaining cases that people took to trial, 77% of people got off. Oh, and grandma helped smuggle thousands of pounds of cocaine and got caught and will now die in prison.

So... uh... whats the point here?
 
2012-05-10 08:09:17 PM  
Life? For a grandma? It's not like it's going to be that long...
 
2012-05-10 08:10:39 PM  

ArkAngel: Mugato: ArkAngel: From the article, it sounds to me like she made herself willfully ignorant of the smuggling. Not feeling much sympathy, despite my pro-legalization stance

Come on, life w/o parole? She gets the same punishment as a guy in a non-death penalty state who kills and eats his entire family?

Not saying that she deserves the sentence, but the headline is trying to make me feel sympathy for this "poor old woman caught in a web of deceit". Then the article reads like she willingly turned a blind eye to an obviously fake business.


I don't know, if somebody were running an obviously fake business under my nose, I'd want to know as little about it as possible to shield myself from consequences. Nothing wrong with that. The less details the better.
 
2012-05-10 08:13:42 PM  
Now that Obama is going into "Ignore what I've actually done for the last 3.5 years and listen to me make campaign promises again" mode on gay marriage, maybe we can get him to pull back his escalation of the drug war back to Bush II levels. Until Mid November at least.
 
2012-05-10 08:17:15 PM  
cman:
Nadie_AZ: So we set up a system to prevent poor people from bettering themselves.

Then we set up a system to arrest people who get desperate to provide for their families.

Then we up the budget of the Private Prison Industry.

How was Alex Jones's broadcast today? Did he start talking about the aliens again?


Are you saying that his post isn't accurate?
 
2012-05-10 08:20:25 PM  

Alonjar: "In 2010, of 1,766 defendants prosecuted for federal drug offenses in the Southern District of Texas - a region that reaches from Houston to the border - 93.2 percent pleaded guilty rather than face trial, according to the U.S. government. Of the defendants who didn't plead not guilty, 10 defendants were acquitted at trial. Also, 82 saw their cases dismissed."

Im really not sure which direction the article is trying to take us. 93.2% of people plead guilty... and of the remaining cases that people took to trial, 77% of people got off. Oh, and grandma helped smuggle thousands of pounds of cocaine and got caught and will now die in prison.

So... uh... whats the point here?


I will wager the bulk of the dismissals are pot tickets issued by newbe possum cops.
 
2012-05-10 08:21:49 PM  
You know how best to avoid the inconsistencies of our legal system? Don't try to smuggle a ton of cocaine across the border. It's worked really well for me.
 
2012-05-10 08:26:17 PM  

steamingpile: docbenspock: OK, I was totally ready to get outraged by poor granny going to jail for a blunt on her person but come on! A ton of cocaine?!

That is 2000 to 2204 (if metric ton) pounds of cocaine! 1000 kgs for you Canadian farkers! 157 stone to you UK residents.

That is literally a shiat ton of cocaine.

I'm sorry but unless she is really unlucky, I doubt this was her first time. God only knows how many tons this lady has single-handedly trafficked.
She had it coming.

The problem is that it wasn't all at once, they don't say how long but it appears to be over a few years.


If that is the case, it compounds her guilt. Willful ignorance is a bad excuse the first time but over the spank of years it is unbelievable.
 
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