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2012-05-10 02:34:03 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I'm not going to trash Romney for his Mormonism or what his grandfather believed/practiced.

There are plenty of more germane things to trash Romney about without having to muck about in his religion.

Even when his defense of marriage is rooted in his religion?

Interesting.


Where he gets it from is irrelevant to the discussion. You can critique his defense of traditional marriage without slamming his religion; it's a fallacy of distribution (if I remember my logic correctly).
 
2012-05-10 02:38:30 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: You can critique his defense of traditional marriage without slamming his religion


How so? His idea of traditional marriage comes from his religion.
 
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2012-05-10 02:41:13 PM  

Aarontology: vpb: Wow, that's ignorant. So whatever rednecks do becomes part of Protestantism?

They are Protestant Christians. Obama is a Protestant Christian. Therefore, according to the logic expressed in this thread, Obama agrees with everything they do in the name of their faith.

Why the different standards?


Nice straw man, but Joseph Smith is the guy that founded Mormonism, not some random Mormon. Sort of like Jesus Christ was not some ordinary random Christian. So according the logic that is actually in this thread, if you are a Mormon then you probably believe in the teachings of Joseph Smith.

Or maybe you didn't know that Joseph Smith was the one who taught that Polygamy was a Divine commandment?
 
2012-05-10 02:42:59 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: cameroncrazy1984: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I'm not going to trash Romney for his Mormonism or what his grandfather believed/practiced.

There are plenty of more germane things to trash Romney about without having to muck about in his religion.

Even when his defense of marriage is rooted in his religion?

Interesting.

Where he gets it from is irrelevant to the discussion. You can critique his defense of traditional marriage without slamming his religion; it's a fallacy of distribution (if I remember my logic correctly).


Technically I don't see it as a fallacy. It's not a statement of necessity. You can critique without it. But cameron wasn't saying you must use it in your critique.

I think it's highly relevant, because it it stands in stark contrast to our Constitution and the separation clause. And he's running for chief defender of the Constitution and all that it stands for. Not just the parts he likes.
 
2012-05-10 02:44:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: You can critique his defense of traditional marriage without slamming his religion

How so? His idea of traditional marriage comes from his religion.


For starters --

what_now: A more damning claim for Romney: "Human being in 2012 is opposed to marriage equality, for no damn reason anyone can figure out".

 
2012-05-10 02:48:18 PM  

vpb: Nice straw man, but Joseph Smith is the guy that founded Mormonism, not some random Mormon. Sort of like Jesus Christ was not some ordinary random Christian. So according the logic that is actually in this thread, if you are a Mormon then you probably believe in the teachings of Joseph Smith.


You do know that the Bible is the Holy Book for Christians, right? And that part of being a Christian is believing in the Bible. Just like part of being a Mormon is listening to the teachings of Joseph Smith

This is pretty basic theology, man. And the Bible clearly states in Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination" And we all know that's not the only

You know, believing the teaching of the Bible and all that.

So tell me. Why do you hold Mitt Romney to a different standard than President Obama when it comes to commands of their faith? Is it merely because of political partisanship or something like straight up teabagger-esque religious bigotry?
 
2012-05-10 02:55:30 PM  

Aarontology: vpb: Nice straw man, but Joseph Smith is the guy that founded Mormonism, not some random Mormon. Sort of like Jesus Christ was not some ordinary random Christian. So according the logic that is actually in this thread, if you are a Mormon then you probably believe in the teachings of Joseph Smith.

You do know that the Bible is the Holy Book for Christians, right? And that part of being a Christian is believing in the Bible. Just like part of being a Mormon is listening to the teachings of Joseph Smith

This is pretty basic theology, man. And the Bible clearly states in Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination" And we all know that's not the only

So tell me. Why do you hold Mitt Romney to a different standard than President Obama when it comes to commands of their faith? Is it merely because of political partisanship or something like straight up teabagger-esque religious bigotry?


But, according to many readings of the New Testament, Leviticus doesn't apply to Christians, so Obama not following that rule doesn't mean he's not following Christ.
Where's the similar teaching in the Book of Mormon that says that Smith's teachings don't apply to Mormons?
 
2012-05-10 02:56:29 PM  
I think a better line of attack is to simply point out that while as governor of MA, Mittens voluntarily signed at least 189 marriage licenses for gay couples.

Sure, he did it while mouthing support for "traditional marriage", but I think we can all agree actions speak louder than words.

In comparison, how many gay marriage licenses has Obama issued? That's right: zero. When you put aside the rhetoric, only one of these two men has actually acted to destroy traditional marriage, and it ain't Obama.
 
2012-05-10 02:59:33 PM  

Theaetetus: But, according to many readings of the New Testament, Leviticus doesn't apply to Christians, so Obama not following that rule doesn't mean he's not following Christ.


1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a]:

The New Testament isn't much better.

Theaetetus: Where's the similar teaching in the Book of Mormon that says that Smith's teachings don't apply to Mormons?


One doesn't exist as far as I know. Where's the similar teaching that says Christians don't have to follow the New Testament?
 
2012-05-10 03:10:18 PM  

what_now: Somacandra: anti-Mormon bigot brigade

1) Did Mitt Romney use his status as a Mormon missionary to avoid service in Vietnam, yes or no?
2) Was the official policy of the Mormon church discriminatory toward black people until the 1970s, yes or no?


I love that asking straight questions make him run. It's easier to just yell "bigot" and run than defend the indefensible apparently.
 
2012-05-10 03:13:52 PM  

Aarontology: Theaetetus: But, according to many readings of the New Testament, Leviticus doesn't apply to Christians, so Obama not following that rule doesn't mean he's not following Christ.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a]:

The New Testament isn't much better.

Theaetetus: Where's the similar teaching in the Book of Mormon that says that Smith's teachings don't apply to Mormons?

One doesn't exist as far as I know. Where's the similar teaching that says Christians don't have to follow the New Testament?


Paul never even met Jesus, so he cant really speak for the guy. Also, much of the immorality he spoke against at Corinth involved rape, using services as places to fornicate and act hedonistic, and then try to validate those acts through christ. He spoke harshly because they were so incredibly out of control.

Most of what Paul said is, in my opinion, suspect and clouded with context we tend to ignore now.
 
2012-05-10 03:15:52 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I'm not going to trash Romney for his Mormonism or what his grandfather believed/practiced.

There are plenty of more germane things to trash Romney about without having to muck about in his religion.


To a point. The religious issues do not pre-occupy me at all except for the fact that Mormons don't fight wars. I think people should at least be aware that Romney if commander in chief will make decisions that will impact other people's children but neither his own nor those of his fellow Mormons.
 
2012-05-10 03:19:07 PM  
I'm not a Romney supporter by any means, but criticizing his view because of his grandfather is weak sauce.

Most of us have had grandparents that did or said or believed things we disagree with. My one grandmother was a bitter racist. My Italian great-grandmother was illiterate, believed in witchcraft, and cast the evil eye on people. That shouldn't reflect upon me.

What our grandparents do should not reflect upon us.
Just because Romney, whom we disagree with, says something, we shouldn't use his family background against him. Instead, let's use the sh*t he's actually done and said.
 
2012-05-10 03:21:48 PM  

Aarontology: Theaetetus: But, according to many readings of the New Testament, Leviticus doesn't apply to Christians, so Obama not following that rule doesn't mean he's not following Christ.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a]:

The New Testament isn't much better.

Theaetetus: Where's the similar teaching in the Book of Mormon that says that Smith's teachings don't apply to Mormons?

One doesn't exist as far as I know. Where's the similar teaching that says Christians don't have to follow the New Testament?


Well, you could look at the very next lines:
6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

But you're right... Nothing like that exists in the Book of Mormon. Accordingly, a Mormon would have to condemn explicit teachings of Smith, which state that they must accept polygamy or be damned:
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines-
2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.
3 Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.
4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.
 
2012-05-10 03:23:22 PM  
This is stupid. Mitt isn't in a polygamous marriage. How does his family history mean anything?
 
2012-05-10 03:25:43 PM  

Endrick: "I'm going to stay focused on jobs," Boehner replied, before abruptly leaving the stage.

And by jobs, he means....?


footjobs from young boys, probably
 
2012-05-10 03:25:55 PM  

shivashakti: What our grandparents do should not reflect upon us.


They don't. They reflect on his argument that we need to hold on to this because it's been an unchangeable tradition. The fact that its his actual grandfather just makes it more delicious.
 
2012-05-10 03:27:25 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Mitt isn't in a polygamous marriage. How does his family history mean anything?


It doesn't. I'm more curious about his current beliefs on polygamy. For example, does he believe that Woodruff is "damned" and not "permitted to enter into [the Lord's] glory" as a result of his manifesto rejecting the eternal doctrine and covenant of polygamy?
 
2012-05-10 03:35:56 PM  
George Romney is dead, subby.
 
2012-05-10 03:36:37 PM  

Nadie_AZ: This is stupid. Mitt isn't in a polygamous marriage. How does his family history mean anything?


it doesn't but we've run out of things.
 
2012-05-10 03:36:44 PM  

DamnYankees: They don't. They reflect on his argument that we need to hold on to this because it's been an unchangeable tradition. The fact that its his actual grandfather just makes it more delicious.


Has Romney actually said it's been an unchangeable tradition? Or just that he believes marriage should be only between a man and a woman? Because I know I've heard the latter. I haven't yet heard the former. But it's not like I pay attention to everything Romney has said.
 
2012-05-10 03:37:24 PM  

skullkrusher: George Romney is dead, subby.


So is Reagan doesn't stop people bring bringing him up all the time.
 
2012-05-10 03:37:45 PM  
How does a constitutional ban on gay marriage at the Federal level jive with the whole 'State's Rights' argument.

/It doesn't
 
2012-05-10 03:38:28 PM  

shivashakti: DamnYankees: They don't. They reflect on his argument that we need to hold on to this because it's been an unchangeable tradition. The fact that its his actual grandfather just makes it more delicious.

Has Romney actually said it's been an unchangeable tradition?


Link

The video reruns tape from a Republican presidential candidates' debate, in which Romney said: "We should have a federal amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman," and: "Calling it marriage creates a whole host of problems for families, for the law, for the practice of religion, for education. Let me say this, 3,000 years of human history shouldn't be discarded so quickly."
 
2012-05-10 03:38:36 PM  

skullkrusher: George Romney is dead, subby.


Owns his own planet now.
 
2012-05-10 03:38:38 PM  

Carth: skullkrusher: George Romney is dead, subby.

So is Reagan doesn't stop people bring bringing him up all the time.


I don't think Reagan is running on anything either.
 
2012-05-10 03:39:04 PM  
s14.postimage.org
 
2012-05-10 03:39:15 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: George Romney is dead, subby.

Owns his own planet now.


Mormontology sounds awesome.
 
2012-05-10 03:40:10 PM  

Nadie_AZ: This is stupid. Mitt isn't in a polygamous marriage. How does his family history mean anything?


This. I would think that the majority of even the derpiest liberals and conservatives don't share ALL of the same views as their parents let alone another generation apart.
 
2012-05-10 03:40:14 PM  
For the umpeenth time by attacking gay marriage and gay adoption the GOP are not only anti-marriage but anti-family.

The fact that they parade about as self declared champions of same is quite insane.

This is gonna be a helluva toboggan ride, aint it?

*sigh*

i293.photobucket.com

/Looks like I picked the wrong election cycle to quit sniffing glue.
 
2012-05-10 03:40:15 PM  
LWhen Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite

Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual. Prof. John Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale University's history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.

A Kiev art museum contains a curious icon from St. Catherine's Monastery on Mt. Sinai in Israel. It shows two robed Christian saints. Between them is a traditional Roman 'pronubus' (a best man), overseeing a wedding. The pronubus is Christ. The married couple are both men.

Is the icon suggesting that a gay "wedding" is being sanctified by Christ himself? The idea seems shocking. But the full answer comes from other early Christian sources about the two men featured in the icon, St. Sergius and St. Bacchus, two Roman soldiers who were Christian martyrs. These two officers in the Roman army incurred the anger of Emperor Maximian when they were exposed as 'secret Christians' by refusing to enter a pagan temple. Both were sent to Syria circa 303 CE where Bacchus is thought to have died while being flogged. Sergius survived torture but was later beheaded. Legend says that Bacchus appeared to the dying Sergius as an angel, telling him to be brave because they would soon be reunited in heaven.

While the pairing of saints, particularly in the early Christian church, was not unusual, the association of these two men was regarded as particularly intimate. Severus, the Patriarch of Antioch (AD 512 - 518) explained that, "we should not separate in speech they [Sergius and Bacchus] who were joined in life". This is not a case of simple "adelphopoiia." In the definitive 10th century account of their lives, St. Sergius is openly celebrated as the "sweet companion and lover" of St. Bacchus. Sergius and Bacchus's close relationship has led many modern scholars to believe they were lovers. But the most compelling evidence for this view is that the oldest text of their martyrology, written in New Testament Greek describes them as "erastai," or "lovers". In other words, they were a male homosexual couple. Their orientation and relationship was not only acknowledged, but it was fully accepted and celebrated by the early Christian church, which was far more tolerant than it is today.
 
2012-05-10 03:40:19 PM  

Aarontology: Obama is a Protestant Christian. Clearly he hates homosexuals and supports North Carolina's ban on homosexual marriage, as well as the more misogynistic policies advocated by other Protestant Christians.

This thread has told me that if someone is a member of a faith, they believe wholeheartedly every single aspect of that faith.

Now, isn't it offensive that President Obama, hates homosexuals and women so much?


If Obama gave 10% of his salary to a christian sect in which he was a high ranking member. I would think he would believe in every single aspect of that faith. Or that he was just a retard.
 
2012-05-10 03:40:58 PM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: George Romney is dead, subby.

Owns his own planet now.

Mormontology sounds awesome.


I agree. Out of all the interpretations of heaven, theirs is most appealing.

Evangelical heaven sounds terribly boring.
 
2012-05-10 03:41:09 PM  
Polygamy was fine in bible times and there are chapters in the bible dictating how it is suppose to function.
Where in the bible does it say that polygamy is wrong?
 
2012-05-10 03:41:10 PM  
Ugh. Ed Gillespie. Just looking at the pic of that guy in TFA makes my stomach turn. Hearing his voice is like having Satan himself whispering in your ear.
 
2012-05-10 03:41:15 PM  

Mr.Tangent: Nadie_AZ: This is stupid. Mitt isn't in a polygamous marriage. How does his family history mean anything?

This. I would think that the majority of even the derpiest liberals and conservatives don't share ALL of the same views as their parents let alone another generation apart.


3 generations apart in this case.
 
2012-05-10 03:41:24 PM  

Aarontology: Obama is a Protestant Christian. Clearly he hates homosexuals and supports North Carolina's ban on homosexual marriage, as well as the more misogynistic policies advocated by other Protestant Christians.

This thread has told me that if someone is a member of a faith, they believe wholeheartedly every single aspect of that faith.

Now, isn't it offensive that President Obama, hates homosexuals and women so much?


Except that Protestant isn't one particular sect, but an umbrella term for any sect that split off from the Catholic church. So nice try.

/you'd have more of a point if you brought up the Rev. Wright stuff
 
2012-05-10 03:41:36 PM  

DamnYankees: shivashakti: What our grandparents do should not reflect upon us.

They don't. They reflect on his argument that we need to hold on to this because it's been an unchangeable tradition. The fact that its his actual grandfather just makes it more delicious.


To be fair, marriage in the US has, in fact, been a marriage between one man and one woman as recognized by law. I am unaware of any instance where polygamy was allowed in any state.
 
2012-05-10 03:42:56 PM  

lockers: DamnYankees: shivashakti: What our grandparents do should not reflect upon us.

They don't. They reflect on his argument that we need to hold on to this because it's been an unchangeable tradition. The fact that its his actual grandfather just makes it more delicious.

To be fair, marriage in the US has, in fact, been a marriage between one man and one woman as recognized by law. I am unaware of any instance where polygamy was allowed in any state.


But Romney didn't cite American tradition. He says "3,000 years of tradition".
 
2012-05-10 03:43:06 PM  

lockers: DamnYankees: shivashakti: What our grandparents do should not reflect upon us.

They don't. They reflect on his argument that we need to hold on to this because it's been an unchangeable tradition. The fact that its his actual grandfather just makes it more delicious.

To be fair, marriage in the US has, in fact, been a marriage between one man and one woman as recognized by law. I am unaware of any instance where polygamy was allowed in any state.


It wasn't made illegal until about the mid 19th century. Utah actually went to war with the government over it.
 
2012-05-10 03:43:17 PM  
i149.photobucket.com
This is goin' be a long loud stupid election campaign, man.
 
2012-05-10 03:44:09 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: George Romney is dead, subby.

Owns his own planet now.

Mormontology sounds awesome.

I agree. Out of all the interpretations of heaven, theirs is most appealing.

Evangelical heaven sounds terribly boring.


"The band in heaven
they play my favorite song.
Play it one more time.
Play it all night long."

/Got older.
/They stopped making sense.
 
2012-05-10 03:44:18 PM  

Carth: lockers: DamnYankees: shivashakti: What our grandparents do should not reflect upon us.

They don't. They reflect on his argument that we need to hold on to this because it's been an unchangeable tradition. The fact that its his actual grandfather just makes it more delicious.

To be fair, marriage in the US has, in fact, been a marriage between one man and one woman as recognized by law. I am unaware of any instance where polygamy was allowed in any state.

It wasn't made illegal until about the mid 19th century. Utah actually went to war with the government over it.


I don't think that's accurate. It's always been illegal. The Mormons made war because the left America in order to live polygamously, then the US went and annexed the territory they moved to.

I could be wrong about that, but I think that's how it went.
 
2012-05-10 03:44:30 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: LWhen Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite

Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual. Prof. John Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale University's history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.

A Kiev art museum contains a curious icon from St. Catherine's Monastery on Mt. Sinai in Israel. It shows two robed Christian saints. Between them is a traditional Roman 'pronubus' (a best man), overseeing a wedding. The pronubus is Christ. The married couple are both men.

Is the icon suggesting that a gay "wedding" is being sanctified by Christ himself? The idea seems shocking. But the full answer comes from other early Christian sources about the two men featured in the icon, St. Sergius and St. Bacchus, two Roman soldiers who were Christian martyrs. These two officers in the Roman army incurred the anger of Emperor Maximian when they were exposed as 'secret Christians' by refusing to enter a pagan temple. Both were sent to Syria circa 303 CE where Bacchus is thought to have died while being flogged. Sergius survived torture but was later beheaded. Legend says that Bacchus appeared to the dying Sergius as an angel, telling him to be bra ...


I like that very much.
 
2012-05-10 03:48:31 PM  
"Romney will actively push for a constitutional amendment to take away the right of states to voluntarily extend marriage equality to same-sex couples."

Good luck with that whole "getting 2/3rds of the states to ratify it" thing.

Douchebag.
 
2012-05-10 03:48:46 PM  

DamnYankees: lockers: DamnYankees: shivashakti: What our grandparents do should not reflect upon us.

They don't. They reflect on his argument that we need to hold on to this because it's been an unchangeable tradition. The fact that its his actual grandfather just makes it more delicious.

To be fair, marriage in the US has, in fact, been a marriage between one man and one woman as recognized by law. I am unaware of any instance where polygamy was allowed in any state.

But Romney didn't cite American tradition. He says "3,000 years of tradition".


Am I missing something, tradition isn't even in the article. Was it in the video or is that a quote from somewhere else?
 
2012-05-10 03:49:50 PM  

Old enough to know better: "Romney will actively push for a constitutional amendment to take away the right of states to voluntarily extend marriage equality to same-sex couples."

Good luck with that whole "getting 2/3rds of the states to ratify it" thing.

Douchebag.


It would be fun to watch the "states rights" people support it, if nothing else.
 
2012-05-10 03:49:54 PM  
Stop it.

There is no reason to believe that Romney's grandfather was a polygamist. Yes there were polygamist Mormons but there is no evidence of Romney's grandfather being married to more than one person.

This is a pretty dumb way to attack Romney but the fact that it isn't based on reality makes it downright embarrassing and far more damaging to the people who use it than to Romney.
 
2012-05-10 03:50:03 PM  

lockers: Am I missing something, tradition isn't even in the article. Was it in the video or is that a quote from somewhere else?


Link

The video reruns tape from a Republican presidential candidates' debate, in which Romney said: "We should have a federal amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman," and: "Calling it marriage creates a whole host of problems for families, for the law, for the practice of religion, for education. Let me say this, 3,000 years of human history shouldn't be discarded so quickly."
 
2012-05-10 03:50:29 PM  
What is marriage being "defended" from? How is it being harmed or damaged by allowing same-sex marriage? Where can that damage be shown in states and countries where same-sex marriage is legal?
 
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