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(Huffington Post)   The GOP now wants pre-1790s census surveys to go with their pre-1960s health care system, pre-1930s finance laws, and pre-1900s campaigning rules   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2012-05-10 05:15:21 PM  
3 votes:

ole prophet: What?


Was I unclear? You are a stupid person. You post stupid things on this site routinely and consistently . You display an utter inability to understand how things work and substitute loud drivel instead. You are bad and you should feel bad, but you;re not quite smart enough to feel bad about the stupidity you inject into conversation.
2012-05-10 12:58:59 PM  
3 votes:
Willfull ignorance is the very core of Conservative thought.
2012-05-10 12:44:29 PM  
3 votes:

make me some tea: Why don't we just abolish the Census altogether? By their logic, the whole thing is an intrusion on our privacy, is it not?


Possibly, but a Constitutionally-required one
2012-05-10 11:54:30 AM  
2 votes:
what does this have to do with creating jobs?
2012-05-11 06:14:12 AM  
1 vote:

Huggermugger: I've seen this coming for awhile now. Ironically, the first people I heard it from were teabagger relatives from Tennessee who located me on a genealogy website from census records. The usual cognitive dissonance - census records are just fine for THEM to use, but damn the government for asking the questions in the first place.


Um. Not unless you're, like, a hundred years old, they didn't. The 1940 census has just been released in the past couple of weeks. I'm retired and I'm not on there.

/life-long resident of the South
//life-long extra-liberal Democrat
///almost life-long semi-pro genealogist
2012-05-10 05:10:05 PM  
1 vote:

qorkfiend: natmar_76: Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

What the **** is wrong with you, Republicans?

Well, I gotta kinda agree with the GOP on this one. Why is that a question on the census survey?


Now you know.

All questions

lotus: I'm not a republican, but I'm with the GOP on this one. The census bureau has been calling me now, quarterly, for about 4 years. They spend an hour asking me questions. INTRUSIVE questions, about my savings, checking, retirement accounts, what I think of my neighborhood, how much my utility bills are, etc. If I ignore their phone calls, they come to my house or have actually called my parents (I assume they found them through the phone book) looking for me. They tell me I have no choice, and that I have to answer their questions by law.

The census needs to be scaled way back to what it was intended to be. A count of the population (and I'm fine with including demographics in there) once every 10 years.


And the census is just that, the 2010 census was 10 questions, and two of those are contact information for any followup if needed. The problem is that the name, Census Bureau, is really a misnomer. They are basically the statistical agency for the US. They perform hundreds of surveys that are unrelated to the census. That's not to say you have to agree with them performing all those surveys, but they aren't really related to the census in any appreciable manner.
2012-05-10 03:45:17 PM  
1 vote:

tnpir: Is there a single Republican in Congress that doesn't need to have the unholy shiat kicked out of him for being stupid, evil, or more than likely both?


Bob Dold, maybe? Though his support for the Ryan Budget and a few other issues still leaves him in need of a horsewhipping....

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Interestingly enough, here were the positions of the Know Nothing Party Platform circa 1855:

Severe limits on immigration, especially from Catholic countries
Restricting political office to native-born Americans of English and/or Scottish lineage and Protestant persuasion.
Mandating a wait of 21 years before an immigrant could gain citizenship.
Restricting public school teacher positions to Protestants.
Mandating daily Bible readings in public schools.
Restricting the sale of liquor.
Restricting the use of languages other than English.


Those do sound familiar.

Lost Thought 00: If we eliminate this, we will no longer have formal statistics on wage earnings, so people will be able to more easily hide the growing income disparity.


Sounds a plausible motive; though there's still IRS returns. Still, probably more people would fall off the radar.

qorkfiend: Why is that a question on the census survey?


Because they're curious about the fraction that still says "0".
2012-05-10 02:27:36 PM  
1 vote:
They just hate long forms, don't they?
2012-05-10 02:21:15 PM  
1 vote:

qorkfiend: natmar_76: Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

What the **** is wrong with you, Republicans?

Well, I gotta kinda agree with the GOP on this one. Why is that a question on the census survey?


Because it could be useful information to have. Sort of like how scientists collect as much data as possible when observing something, even if they haven't yet figured out whether some of that data will be useful to their research. It's just something to put on the books in case you ever need to refer to it when writing or arguing legislation. Nothing more, nothing less.
2012-05-10 02:17:46 PM  
1 vote:

ole prophet: HairBolus: ole prophet: The census is rather pointless. Hospital records, birth certificates, SSN cards, IDs can be just as accurate ways to get a snap shot of population.

Wow, are you really coming out in favor of a Total Information Awareness type project where a government agency is set up to combine info from all existing databases? Such as from Motor Vehicles, property records, etc? And one where people who don't exists in such records really don't exist?

There are fail safes to protect anonymity.

The states and local governments could just hand over numbers instead of names to the Feds it would make you feel better.


Being that the primary reason for the census is to apportion representation, we need to know, in addition to how people there, where they live (info not available by looking at birth, hospital and SSN records). State and local governments would have too big an incentive "overestimate" their population to just take their word for it.
2012-05-10 01:45:32 PM  
1 vote:
I need the hulk's hand to face palm this shiat. The census is too intrusive but telling me who to marry and what I can do with my vagina is just hunkydory... I am at the point where I just want to go up to anyone with a GOP bumper sticker wait for them in the parking lot and slap them in the face or Baker Act them. It only takes two competent people who think you are a danger... and any two people can clearly see anyone at this point who takes the GOP seriously is a farkin danger.
2012-05-10 01:42:34 PM  
1 vote:
I've seen this coming for awhile now. Ironically, the first people I heard it from were teabagger relatives from Tennessee who located me on a genealogy website from census records. The usual cognitive dissonance - census records are just fine for THEM to use, but damn the government for asking the questions in the first place.
2012-05-10 01:34:24 PM  
1 vote:

palelizard: Don't Troll Me Bro!: IrateShadow: It's much easier to ignore huge subsets of the population if you don't have any data showing those subsets exist.

But if you don't know a subset exists, then how can one screech about said subset destroying the very fabric of Murika?

They're illegally hiding from a constitutionally mandated survey. They're out there and they don't want you to know. We need to mandate Patriotism Tests, where people wear armbands to indicate their loyalty. It will help out at airport screenings too. This is for our own safety.


On a recent business trip to KY I listened to an AM right-wing radio host while in the car for a bit. He was advocating "conservative tests" at the polls to make sure that only people that truly loved America were allowed to vote. Callers were calling in to give him their support. One even told him how great it was that he was there to fight against the liberal fascists. No joke.
2012-05-10 01:22:50 PM  
1 vote:
The GOP also trumpeted its dismay that some working-class households actually have more than one flush-toilet.
2012-05-10 01:15:35 PM  
1 vote:
"The Republicans have earned a reputation as the 'do-nothing party' and now they want to also be the 'know-nothing party,' " said Rep. Carolyn Maloney after the vote.

Interestingly enough, here were the positions of the Know Nothing Party Platform circa 1855:
Severe limits on immigration, especially from Catholic countries
Restricting political office to native-born Americans of English and/or Scottish lineage and Protestant persuasion.
Mandating a wait of 21 years before an immigrant could gain citizenship.
Restricting public school teacher positions to Protestants.
Mandating daily Bible readings in public schools.
Restricting the sale of liquor.
Restricting the use of languages other than English.
2012-05-10 01:14:06 PM  
1 vote:
Are they all farking high today or something?
2012-05-10 01:11:44 PM  
1 vote:

palelizard: adamgreeney: impaler: Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

Oh FFS. It's useful information. Of course Republicans are against it.

I'm shocked they would deny themselves useful information like how many poor own refrigerators. They would have a harder time vilifying them without the census.

Without the census, poor people don't exist.


No no. They exist. But it's easier to make up things that make them sound not so poor and/or lazy.

"97% of the poor people in Nancy Pelosi's district have surround sound systems and use sterling silver utensils. Prove me wrong in a way that doesn't involve a mark of the beast government survey."
2012-05-10 01:11:23 PM  
1 vote:

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: scarmig: I agree with the Republicans on this.

Also, since we had family members who were locked in internment camps, their farms stolen, and their wives and children tossed on the street based on the information collected by these surveys, I might be biased.

I can't really get particularly upset on this one either. The census can be used for good and bad, and when used for bad, well, maybe its just better that the government knows less.

However, this is ultimately silly. When the NSA and similar agencies can record and store all of our electronic communications, the idea that the census is some massive invasion of privacy is just more Republican attempts to do nothing while looking like they're doing something. I would also guess, that like their insistence that funding for public television, public radio and Planned Parenthood, this really isn't going to save much money at all. It plays to their base though, at least around here. I remember as a kid my dad refused to let the census guy on the property, and there are plenty of people around here that put census takers on the same level as tax collectors and Jehovah's witnesses.


Agreed. There are bigger fish to fry than the ACS.
2012-05-10 01:10:35 PM  
1 vote:

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: However, this is ultimately silly. When the NSA and similar agencies can record and store all of our electronic communications, the idea that the census is some massive invasion of privacy is just more Republican attempts to do nothing while looking like they're doing something.


Exactly. The government's shadier sides use some very scary intelligence-gathering techniques, but lumping the census in with them is ridiculous. The census is transparent, and the data is readily available.

If you really want to get outraged about invasions of privacy by the government, your time is better spent on the Patriot Act and the like.
2012-05-10 01:10:02 PM  
1 vote:
attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

Ah, this is all part of the Republicans War on low flush toilets.

I'm not kidding
2012-05-10 01:09:25 PM  
1 vote:

Guidette Frankentits: quatchi: To the Dark Ages if ya let them.

[abortionrestrictionlaws]


Gawdammitsomuch, the Handmaid's Tale is NOT a DIY How-To-Guide!

How they manage to divide their time so efficiently between waging war on women with that type of legislation and then denying that they're waging war on women while somehow asserting that the Democrats are waging the Real War on WomenTM is a mystery to me.

See also: Bashing gays, Muslims and atheists and then claiming religious persecution.

/As a complete aside I would like to send a fond farewell to the pic in the upper right hand part of the screen of Sophia Vergaras (suddenly single, btw) and her epic cleavage and a happy hello to Michelle and Malia Obama dancing and having fun in a really great Easter Day photo.
//Not a big photog guy as a rule but that one's good enough to note.
2012-05-10 01:07:54 PM  
1 vote:

King Something: The 9 and 0 keys are right next to each other on a standard QWERTY keyboard.
People sometimes press the key adjacent to the one they wanted to press.

Full story at 11.



Do you mean 12?

Or 1~?
2012-05-10 01:02:58 PM  
1 vote:

IrateShadow: It's much easier to ignore huge subsets of the population if you don't have any data showing those subsets exist.


But if you don't know a subset exists, then how can one screech about said subset destroying the very fabric of Murika?
2012-05-10 01:02:38 PM  
1 vote:
Jesus H. Christ on a crutch, I can't take this anymore. Do you have to be clinically retarded to be a Republican member of Congress? Is that part of the screening process now? Is there a single Republican in Congress that doesn't need to have the unholy shiat kicked out of him for being stupid, evil, or more than likely both?

It's unfarkingbelievable and yet fully half this nation likes electing these idiots.
2012-05-10 01:02:20 PM  
1 vote:

scarmig: I agree with the Republicans on this.

Also, since we had family members who were locked in internment camps, their farms stolen, and their wives and children tossed on the street based on the information collected by these surveys, I might be biased.


I can't really get particularly upset on this one either. The census can be used for good and bad, and when used for bad, well, maybe its just better that the government knows less.

However, this is ultimately silly. When the NSA and similar agencies can record and store all of our electronic communications, the idea that the census is some massive invasion of privacy is just more Republican attempts to do nothing while looking like they're doing something. I would also guess, that like their insistence that funding for public television, public radio and Planned Parenthood, this really isn't going to save much money at all. It plays to their base though, at least around here. I remember as a kid my dad refused to let the census guy on the property, and there are plenty of people around here that put census takers on the same level as tax collectors and Jehovah's witnesses.
2012-05-10 01:00:26 PM  
1 vote:
It's much easier to ignore huge subsets of the population if you don't have any data showing those subsets exist.
2012-05-10 12:56:55 PM  
1 vote:

GAT_00: To be fair, the new ACS is terrible. Margins of error are too big to effectively work with. Just go back to the survey everyone every 19 years thing and stop with sampling.


wat?
2012-05-10 12:55:30 PM  
1 vote:

adamgreeney: impaler: Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

Oh FFS. It's useful information. Of course Republicans are against it.

I'm shocked they would deny themselves useful information like how many poor own refrigerators. They would have a harder time vilifying them without the census.


Without the census, poor people don't exist.
2012-05-10 12:53:52 PM  
1 vote:
I agree with the Republicans on this.

Also, since we had family members who were locked in internment camps, their farms stolen, and their wives and children tossed on the street based on the information collected by these surveys, I might be biased.
2012-05-10 12:52:33 PM  
1 vote:
Only the GOP would actively try to impair their ability to their job.
2012-05-10 12:51:18 PM  
1 vote:
Damn, was I wrong. I thought the GOP just wanted to undo the 20th Century. Did not see that coming.
2012-05-10 12:01:01 PM  
1 vote:
Pre-reformation prison systems
pre-1950's mental health facilities.
pre-1960's women
2012-05-10 11:46:17 AM  
1 vote:

impaler: Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

Oh FFS. It's useful information. Of course Republicans are against it.


I'm shocked they would deny themselves useful information like how many poor own refrigerators. They would have a harder time vilifying them without the census.
2012-05-10 11:32:33 AM  
1 vote:

RexTalionis: Anyone find it sort of funny that Rep. Daniel Webster is the one advancing the measure because it's an unconstutional intrusion by the Federal government when his namesake, Senator Daniel Webster, did so much to advance the powers of the federal government over 150 years ago?


I thought it was Daniel Webster, but it was Henry Clay who said "I'd rather be right than be President."

The current GOP seems to be taking a unintended twist on that phrase.
2012-05-10 11:18:27 AM  
1 vote:
Anyone find it sort of funny that Rep. Daniel Webster is the one advancing the measure because it's an unconstutional intrusion by the Federal government when his namesake, Senator Daniel Webster, did so much to advance the powers of the federal government over 150 years ago?
2012-05-10 11:18:00 AM  
1 vote:
I'm assuming there's some sort of CO gas leak in the House Office Buildings. That seems to be the only explanation I can come up with for their mental disfunctions.
2012-05-10 10:59:43 AM  
1 vote:
Why don't we just abolish the Census altogether? By their logic, the whole thing is an intrusion on our privacy, is it not?
 
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