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2012-05-10 01:14:06 PM  
Are they all farking high today or something?
 
2012-05-10 01:15:35 PM  
"The Republicans have earned a reputation as the 'do-nothing party' and now they want to also be the 'know-nothing party,' " said Rep. Carolyn Maloney after the vote.

Interestingly enough, here were the positions of the Know Nothing Party Platform circa 1855:
Severe limits on immigration, especially from Catholic countries
Restricting political office to native-born Americans of English and/or Scottish lineage and Protestant persuasion.
Mandating a wait of 21 years before an immigrant could gain citizenship.
Restricting public school teacher positions to Protestants.
Mandating daily Bible readings in public schools.
Restricting the sale of liquor.
Restricting the use of languages other than English.
 
2012-05-10 01:20:13 PM  

impaler: Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

Oh FFS. It's useful information. Of course Republicans are against it.


Why are we paying for it? Seems to me, it's simply another form of corporate welfare, providing marketing information to these poor-widdle-money-strapped-over-taxed small businesses like Target and IBM. Let them pay for their own community surveys on how many crappers are in my house. Some marketing firm will go all free-markety and do the survey, then sell the results to the government agencies that truly need the information.

And, the republicans are against it because, surely, there's a Senator's nephew out there with a marketing company that needs a boost. This is simply another follow-through on the GOP jobs promise.
 
2012-05-10 01:21:34 PM  
Now how the fark is the party in charge going to gerrymander their districts without accurate information?
 
2012-05-10 01:22:50 PM  
The GOP also trumpeted its dismay that some working-class households actually have more than one flush-toilet.
 
2012-05-10 01:24:08 PM  

BSABSVR: palelizard: adamgreeney: impaler: Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

Oh FFS. It's useful information. Of course Republicans are against it.

I'm shocked they would deny themselves useful information like how many poor own refrigerators. They would have a harder time vilifying them without the census.

Without the census, poor people don't exist.

No no. They exist. But it's easier to make up things that make them sound not so poor and/or lazy.

"97% of the poor people in Nancy Pelosi's district have surround sound systems and use sterling silver utensils. Prove me wrong in a way that doesn't involve a mark of the beast government survey."


Damn Pelosi and her poor people!

I heard 38% of the people on welfare rolls in her district possess BMWs and two refrigerators each--which they use to cool their McMansions by leaving the doors open all the time.
 
2012-05-10 01:24:40 PM  
If we eliminate this, we will no longer have formal statistics on wage earnings, so people will be able to more easily hide the growing income disparity.
 
2012-05-10 01:29:47 PM  

tnpir: Jesus H. Christ on a crutch, I can't take this anymore. Do you have to be clinically retarded to be a Republican member of Congress? Is that part of the screening process now? Is there a single Republican in Congress that doesn't need to have the unholy shiat kicked out of him for being stupid, evil, or more than likely both?

It's unfarkingbelievable and yet fully half this nation likes electing these idiots.


Anyone with the slightest trace of a redeeming feature gets primaried. Like Dick Lugar.
 
2012-05-10 01:30:03 PM  

Lost Thought 00: If we eliminate this, we will no longer have formal statistics on wage earnings, so people will be able to more easily hide the growing income disparity.


IRS, state, and local tax offices should give a better indication of that.

You just want to peek over the fence to marvel or get pissed off at something.
 
2012-05-10 01:31:21 PM  

imontheinternet: If you really want to get outraged about invasions of privacy by the government, your time is better spent on the Patriot Act and the like.


While people are concerned about government invasion of privacy, marketing companies often have more info on you and your community than the government does. Somehow this is ignored and when it is not it is promoted as an advantage so that people will be targeted with advertisements somewhat related to their lifestyle.

Marketing companies could probably provide a lot of the info gathered by the long census form, but it would tend to ignore or have little info on those that are not considered important markets.
 
2012-05-10 01:34:18 PM  
...and pre-1900's labor laws.
 
2012-05-10 01:34:24 PM  

palelizard: Don't Troll Me Bro!: IrateShadow: It's much easier to ignore huge subsets of the population if you don't have any data showing those subsets exist.

But if you don't know a subset exists, then how can one screech about said subset destroying the very fabric of Murika?

They're illegally hiding from a constitutionally mandated survey. They're out there and they don't want you to know. We need to mandate Patriotism Tests, where people wear armbands to indicate their loyalty. It will help out at airport screenings too. This is for our own safety.


On a recent business trip to KY I listened to an AM right-wing radio host while in the car for a bit. He was advocating "conservative tests" at the polls to make sure that only people that truly loved America were allowed to vote. Callers were calling in to give him their support. One even told him how great it was that he was there to fight against the liberal fascists. No joke.
 
2012-05-10 01:35:18 PM  
Not to be overly rude to the House Republicans but since when have they EVER cared about privacy?
 
2012-05-10 01:39:02 PM  

ole prophet: The census is rather pointless. Hospital records, birth certificates, SSN cards, IDs can be just as accurate ways to get a snap shot of population.


Wow, are you really coming out in favor of a Total Information Awareness type project where a government agency is set up to combine info from all existing databases? Such as from Motor Vehicles, property records, etc? And one where people who don't exists in such records really don't exist?
 
2012-05-10 01:39:44 PM  
The Constitution isn't a book of holy commandments passed by divine fiat, folks.
 
2012-05-10 01:42:19 PM  

imontheinternet: The fewer facts you have, the more truth you can manufacture.

 
2012-05-10 01:42:34 PM  
I've seen this coming for awhile now. Ironically, the first people I heard it from were teabagger relatives from Tennessee who located me on a genealogy website from census records. The usual cognitive dissonance - census records are just fine for THEM to use, but damn the government for asking the questions in the first place.
 
2012-05-10 01:42:54 PM  
They could probably save a lot of money by just repealing the entire 20th century
 
2012-05-10 01:44:36 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: palelizard: Don't Troll Me Bro!: IrateShadow: It's much easier to ignore huge subsets of the population if you don't have any data showing those subsets exist.

But if you don't know a subset exists, then how can one screech about said subset destroying the very fabric of Murika?

They're illegally hiding from a constitutionally mandated survey. They're out there and they don't want you to know. We need to mandate Patriotism Tests, where people wear armbands to indicate their loyalty. It will help out at airport screenings too. This is for our own safety.

On a recent business trip to KY I listened to an AM right-wing radio host while in the car for a bit. He was advocating "conservative tests" at the polls to make sure that only people that truly loved America were allowed to vote. Callers were calling in to give him their support. One even told him how great it was that he was there to fight against the liberal fascists. No joke.


Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Democrat Party?
 
2012-05-10 01:45:32 PM  
I need the hulk's hand to face palm this shiat. The census is too intrusive but telling me who to marry and what I can do with my vagina is just hunkydory... I am at the point where I just want to go up to anyone with a GOP bumper sticker wait for them in the parking lot and slap them in the face or Baker Act them. It only takes two competent people who think you are a danger... and any two people can clearly see anyone at this point who takes the GOP seriously is a farkin danger.
 
2012-05-10 01:46:32 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: But if you don't know a subset exists, then how can one screech about said subset destroying the very fabric of Murika?


You know they exist because you can feel the oppression in your gut. All you need is for Fox News to show you the true face of the enemy.
 
2012-05-10 01:47:07 PM  

HairBolus: ole prophet: The census is rather pointless. Hospital records, birth certificates, SSN cards, IDs can be just as accurate ways to get a snap shot of population.

Wow, are you really coming out in favor of a Total Information Awareness type project where a government agency is set up to combine info from all existing databases? Such as from Motor Vehicles, property records, etc? And one where people who don't exists in such records really don't exist?


There are fail safes to protect anonymity.

The states and local governments could just hand over numbers instead of names to the Feds it would make you feel better.
 
2012-05-10 01:52:09 PM  

Bungles: The Constitution isn't a book of holy commandments passed by divine fiat, folks.


DIAF, heretic.
 
2012-05-10 01:53:23 PM  
Pre-discovery-of-fire scientific knowledge.
 
2012-05-10 01:53:49 PM  

ole prophet: HairBolus: ole prophet: The census is rather pointless. Hospital records, birth certificates, SSN cards, IDs can be just as accurate ways to get a snap shot of population.

Wow, are you really coming out in favor of a Total Information Awareness type project where a government agency is set up to combine info from all existing databases? Such as from Motor Vehicles, property records, etc? And one where people who don't exists in such records really don't exist?

There are fail safes to protect anonymity.

The states and local governments could just hand over numbers instead of names to the Feds it would make you feel better.


Non-answer. Then again, you are supremely stupid, so I'm not exactly shocked.
 
2012-05-10 01:54:29 PM  
Will someone please health of the next generation of policy analysts whose job will be to sell all the missing information to policy makers?

How else is Newt supposed to pay off his campaign debt?
 
2012-05-10 01:57:22 PM  

Bungles: The Constitution isn't a book of holy commandments passed by divine fiat, folks.


I love that everyone has their favorite amendments but could give a fark about the others.
 
2012-05-10 01:58:39 PM  

BSABSVR: ole prophet: HairBolus: ole prophet: The census is rather pointless. Hospital records, birth certificates, SSN cards, IDs can be just as accurate ways to get a snap shot of population.

Wow, are you really coming out in favor of a Total Information Awareness type project where a government agency is set up to combine info from all existing databases? Such as from Motor Vehicles, property records, etc? And one where people who don't exists in such records really don't exist?

There are fail safes to protect anonymity.

The states and local governments could just hand over numbers instead of names to the Feds it would make you feel better.

Non-answer. Then again, you are supremely stupid, so I'm not exactly shocked.


What? Who the fark are you?
 
2012-05-10 02:14:08 PM  
Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

What the **** is wrong with you, Republicans?
 
2012-05-10 02:14:22 PM  

scarmig: I agree with the Republicans on this.

Also, since we had family members who were locked in internment camps, their farms stolen, and their wives and children tossed on the street based on the information collected by these surveys, I might be biased.


If only there were some sort of system by which citizens could choose leaders they trust based on their merits and get rid of leaders who violate that trust. Then we could avoid such abuses!
 
2012-05-10 02:15:27 PM  

natmar_76: Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

What the **** is wrong with you, Republicans?


Well, I gotta kinda agree with the GOP on this one. Why is that a question on the census survey?
 
2012-05-10 02:17:46 PM  

ole prophet: HairBolus: ole prophet: The census is rather pointless. Hospital records, birth certificates, SSN cards, IDs can be just as accurate ways to get a snap shot of population.

Wow, are you really coming out in favor of a Total Information Awareness type project where a government agency is set up to combine info from all existing databases? Such as from Motor Vehicles, property records, etc? And one where people who don't exists in such records really don't exist?

There are fail safes to protect anonymity.

The states and local governments could just hand over numbers instead of names to the Feds it would make you feel better.


Being that the primary reason for the census is to apportion representation, we need to know, in addition to how people there, where they live (info not available by looking at birth, hospital and SSN records). State and local governments would have too big an incentive "overestimate" their population to just take their word for it.
 
2012-05-10 02:18:26 PM  

The Name: scarmig: I agree with the Republicans on this.

Also, since we had family members who were locked in internment camps, their farms stolen, and their wives and children tossed on the street based on the information collected by these surveys, I might be biased.

If only there were some sort of system by which citizens could choose leaders they trust based on their merits and get rid of leaders who violate that trust. Then we could avoid such abuses!



Note: That is exactly what they did, and by the majority of the day, the system worked fine.

Never allow human rights to come to a democratic vote. Humanity always loses,
 
2012-05-10 02:18:55 PM  
I'm not a republican, but I'm with the GOP on this one. The census bureau has been calling me now, quarterly, for about 4 years. They spend an hour asking me questions. INTRUSIVE questions, about my savings, checking, retirement accounts, what I think of my neighborhood, how much my utility bills are, etc. If I ignore their phone calls, they come to my house or have actually called my parents (I assume they found them through the phone book) looking for me. They tell me I have no choice, and that I have to answer their questions by law.

The census needs to be scaled way back to what it was intended to be. A count of the population (and I'm fine with including demographics in there) once every 10 years.
 
2012-05-10 02:21:15 PM  

qorkfiend: natmar_76: Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

What the **** is wrong with you, Republicans?

Well, I gotta kinda agree with the GOP on this one. Why is that a question on the census survey?


Because it could be useful information to have. Sort of like how scientists collect as much data as possible when observing something, even if they haven't yet figured out whether some of that data will be useful to their research. It's just something to put on the books in case you ever need to refer to it when writing or arguing legislation. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
2012-05-10 02:21:59 PM  

ole prophet: Bungles: The Constitution isn't a book of holy commandments passed by divine fiat, folks.

I love that everyone has their favorite amendments but could give a fark about the others.


I'm a huge fan of the third. I don't want soldiers all up in my shiat. Last time I had to quarter troops, they were all over the place, breaking stuff, making a mess, etc. Bulls in a china shop, man. Motherfarking bulls. in. a. china. shop.
 
2012-05-10 02:27:36 PM  
They just hate long forms, don't they?
 
2012-05-10 02:37:09 PM  

lotus: I'm not a republican, but I'm with the GOP on this one. The census bureau has been calling me now, quarterly, for about 4 years. They spend an hour asking me questions. INTRUSIVE questions, about my savings, checking, retirement accounts, what I think of my neighborhood, how much my utility bills are, etc. If I ignore their phone calls, they come to my house or have actually called my parents (I assume they found them through the phone book) looking for me. They tell me I have no choice, and that I have to answer their questions by law.

The census needs to be scaled way back to what it was intended to be. A count of the population (and I'm fine with including demographics in there) once every 10 years.




You should do what I do. "Sir I'm from the census --"

Fark you, last time any of us answered your farking questions we got thrown in a concentration camp.

"[blink] No sir, I have this photocopied statement that guarantees the privacy of your information."

I don't think you understand. It was the government that misused the information, and that it just a piece of paper. It doesn't hold anyone responsible. I'm not answering your questions.

"I"ll go to your neighbor and get the answers from him."

Well, I sure hope my neighbor respects me enough to tell you to go fark yourself.


/csb
 
2012-05-10 02:38:42 PM  
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"I nicked the census man"
 
2012-05-10 03:24:22 PM  
I wish that the GOP would just come out and try to change the voting laws so that only white, property-owning men can vote and stop beating around the bush.
 
2012-05-10 03:27:14 PM  
The Air Force didn't exist when the Constitution was ratified, so were gonna have to pull the plug on that, too.
 
2012-05-10 03:27:52 PM  
The notion of cognitive dissonance presumes the existence of cognitive function.
 
2012-05-10 03:31:21 PM  

meat0918: They just hate long forms, don't they?


*applause.gif*
 
2012-05-10 03:45:17 PM  

tnpir: Is there a single Republican in Congress that doesn't need to have the unholy shiat kicked out of him for being stupid, evil, or more than likely both?


Bob Dold, maybe? Though his support for the Ryan Budget and a few other issues still leaves him in need of a horsewhipping....

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Interestingly enough, here were the positions of the Know Nothing Party Platform circa 1855:

Severe limits on immigration, especially from Catholic countries
Restricting political office to native-born Americans of English and/or Scottish lineage and Protestant persuasion.
Mandating a wait of 21 years before an immigrant could gain citizenship.
Restricting public school teacher positions to Protestants.
Mandating daily Bible readings in public schools.
Restricting the sale of liquor.
Restricting the use of languages other than English.


Those do sound familiar.

Lost Thought 00: If we eliminate this, we will no longer have formal statistics on wage earnings, so people will be able to more easily hide the growing income disparity.


Sounds a plausible motive; though there's still IRS returns. Still, probably more people would fall off the radar.

qorkfiend: Why is that a question on the census survey?


Because they're curious about the fraction that still says "0".
 
2012-05-10 05:10:05 PM  

qorkfiend: natmar_76: Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

What the **** is wrong with you, Republicans?

Well, I gotta kinda agree with the GOP on this one. Why is that a question on the census survey?


Now you know.

All questions

lotus: I'm not a republican, but I'm with the GOP on this one. The census bureau has been calling me now, quarterly, for about 4 years. They spend an hour asking me questions. INTRUSIVE questions, about my savings, checking, retirement accounts, what I think of my neighborhood, how much my utility bills are, etc. If I ignore their phone calls, they come to my house or have actually called my parents (I assume they found them through the phone book) looking for me. They tell me I have no choice, and that I have to answer their questions by law.

The census needs to be scaled way back to what it was intended to be. A count of the population (and I'm fine with including demographics in there) once every 10 years.


And the census is just that, the 2010 census was 10 questions, and two of those are contact information for any followup if needed. The problem is that the name, Census Bureau, is really a misnomer. They are basically the statistical agency for the US. They perform hundreds of surveys that are unrelated to the census. That's not to say you have to agree with them performing all those surveys, but they aren't really related to the census in any appreciable manner.
 
2012-05-10 05:15:21 PM  

ole prophet: What?


Was I unclear? You are a stupid person. You post stupid things on this site routinely and consistently . You display an utter inability to understand how things work and substitute loud drivel instead. You are bad and you should feel bad, but you;re not quite smart enough to feel bad about the stupidity you inject into conversation.
 
2012-05-10 06:47:23 PM  
The GOP's 1990s health care system looks an awful lot like the democrats' 2010s health care system.
 
2012-05-10 09:25:03 PM  
Once the census is abolished then they only have to get rid of the USGS and the Dept. of Transportation and we can revert to premodern isolationism.

FFS, the US Census is vital infrastructure for planning and provides a base for countless business growth applications. farkING GOOGLE MAPS is built on census road data.

These asshats are seriously trying to dismantle our nation.
 
2012-05-11 01:49:15 AM  

make me some tea: Why don't we just abolish the Census altogether? By their logic, the whole thing is an intrusion on our privacy, is it not?


Because Constitution.
 
2012-05-11 06:14:12 AM  

Huggermugger: I've seen this coming for awhile now. Ironically, the first people I heard it from were teabagger relatives from Tennessee who located me on a genealogy website from census records. The usual cognitive dissonance - census records are just fine for THEM to use, but damn the government for asking the questions in the first place.


Um. Not unless you're, like, a hundred years old, they didn't. The 1940 census has just been released in the past couple of weeks. I'm retired and I'm not on there.

/life-long resident of the South
//life-long extra-liberal Democrat
///almost life-long semi-pro genealogist
 
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