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(Some Guy Who Believes)   Obama is the "small government president." No, he says so himself. So you just know it's true   (sayanythingblog.com) divider line 135
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2012-05-10 12:39:44 PM
Facts are just not on the Repubs side.

Every Contard in this thread got owned and kept going. They must love punishment.
 
2012-05-10 12:39:51 PM
More fitting than the "food stamp president," any way.

/but don't you dare call them racist!
 
2012-05-10 12:43:32 PM

thomps: X-boxershorts: thomps: colon_pow: birchman: colon_pow: obamacare is a great example of His small governmentyness.

I thought Obamacare was a handout to the private insurance industry? Fark really needs an LOLWUT button.

oh, did i get that wrong? the government forcing every american to participate in obama's healthcare program is a small government solution?

LOLWUTEVER

i don't participate in obama's healthcare program yet>. oh f*ck, am i no longer an american?

Most of it goes live in 2014. Just figured I'd give you a reality check.

If by American you mean well informed and reality based policy discussions, then, no. You haven't been an American for some time.

we go single-payer in 2014? well hot damn


Moron, that's not what the conservative Heritage Foundation Health Care reform plan that the 111th congress passed and Obama signed into law does.
 
2012-05-10 12:45:10 PM

quatchi: Liberals don't want big government per se.

As a rule liberals want efficient government, fair government, sane government.

Never heard a liberal in my life advocate growing government just for the sake of it yet in the minds of so many deluded conservative folks it is an undeniable truth that this is what liberals really think.

You can see them here in this thread.

The trolls who are coming here loaded for bear (they think) firmly convinced that this meme they've heard repeated their entire lives is true despite it being patently incorrect.

Sometime I think that maybe just maybe if you point this kind of thing out to them often enough that something inside them will snap and they will instantly review their entire derp narrative with more narrowed eyes and actual independent thought and finally see that they've been being lied to for long about oh so much.

Then I laugh at myself for being so gosh darn silly.

Then I usually go get a coffee. I like coffee.

/Also turtles.




The boiled-down truth from that is much simpler: all modern Western political parties want the lowest taxes and smallest government required for a civilised society to function. The sole difference is what people class as "civilised".
 
2012-05-10 12:46:28 PM

Scerpes: DarwiOdrade: Scerpes: horrendous economy

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See how stupid you are?

You might want to take a look at the financial realities facing state and local governments.



Wait, so now the Federal Government controls state and local government's decision to lower their tax rate? Or are you not understanding that reducing the federal revenue stream means fewer monies going to the states. I don't get this.
 
2012-05-10 12:46:35 PM

indylaw: It's no more a lie than Republicans proclaiming that they are libertarians and that they support freedom.


Indeed, the early Pualites had always held a deep resentment of the ever growing military police state, much like their progressive brethren. The primary difference, as I see it, between the two factions is the progressive side does believe in a strong social safety net and rational regulations.
 
2012-05-10 12:49:58 PM

Scerpes: God's Hubris: Bush increased government payroll, Obama has decreased it. So, yeah.

So then Obama really did lay off all of the cops and firefighters that has led to the reduction in state and local government spending?



What part of federal government (the part Obama is responsible for) are you not getting?
 
2012-05-10 12:51:42 PM

Scerpes: DarwiOdrade: So then you're completely ignoring the fact that Democratic states are hammering local governments. Fair enough.

Well since you're completely ignoring the fact that Obama has no control over what states do with their budgets, I figured it was only fair.

Not ignoring that at all. All I said is that the Obama years have not been kind to state and local governments.


You're also blaming Obama. How is this Obama's fault?
 
2012-05-10 12:51:46 PM

X-boxershorts: thomps: X-boxershorts: thomps: colon_pow: birchman: colon_pow: obamacare is a great example of His small governmentyness.

I thought Obamacare was a handout to the private insurance industry? Fark really needs an LOLWUT button.

oh, did i get that wrong? the government forcing every american to participate in obama's healthcare program is a small government solution?

LOLWUTEVER

i don't participate in obama's healthcare program yet>. oh f*ck, am i no longer an american?

Most of it goes live in 2014. Just figured I'd give you a reality check.

If by American you mean well informed and reality based policy discussions, then, no. You haven't been an American for some time.

we go single-payer in 2014? well hot damn

Moron, that's not what the conservative Heritage Foundation Health Care reform plan that the 111th congress passed and Obama signed into law does.


what does it do then, that will require me and every american system to "participate in obama's healthcare program?"
 
2012-05-10 12:52:27 PM

thomps: X-boxershorts: thomps: X-boxershorts: thomps: colon_pow: birchman: colon_pow: obamacare is a great example of His small governmentyness.

I thought Obamacare was a handout to the private insurance industry? Fark really needs an LOLWUT button.

oh, did i get that wrong? the government forcing every american to participate in obama's healthcare program is a small government solution?

LOLWUTEVER

i don't participate in obama's healthcare program yet>. oh f*ck, am i no longer an american?

Most of it goes live in 2014. Just figured I'd give you a reality check.

If by American you mean well informed and reality based policy discussions, then, no. You haven't been an American for some time.

we go single-payer in 2014? well hot damn

Moron, that's not what the conservative Heritage Foundation Health Care reform plan that the 111th congress passed and Obama signed into law does.

what does it do then, that will require me and every american system to "participate in obama's healthcare program?"


american citizen, not system.

/no good at the multitasking
 
2012-05-10 12:52:54 PM

MyRandomName: FlashHarry: For the first time in 40 years, the government sector of the American economy has shrunk during the first three years of a presidential administration.

40 years. that means he's even more of a "small-governement president" than the most exalted one, saint jesus reagan.

Federal spending up. Local and state down... Obama gets credit for the state decreases? Oh... Didn't realize he was personally involved in state legislatures.



Talk to Scerpes. He seems to think Obama is.
 
2012-05-10 12:56:32 PM

colon_pow: obamacare is a great example of His small governmentyness.


You mean Federal Romneycare? That's a good talking point!
 
2012-05-10 01:02:02 PM

God's Hubris: Scerpes: God's Hubris: Bush increased government payroll, Obama has decreased it. So, yeah.

So then Obama really did lay off all of the cops and firefighters that has led to the reduction in state and local government spending?


What part of federal government (the part Obama is responsible for) are you not getting?


I get that Obama is responsible for FEDERAL spending. A number of farkers here have suggested that Obama is responsible for reducing the size of government - through the reduction of state and local government. The only possible impact he has had on state and local government has been the economy that has savaged those governments. If they want to claim he's responsible for reducing the size of state and local government, they must accept that it's because of his economy.

Unless it's still Bush's economy...I guess then maybe Bush should be getting credit for reducing the size of state and local government over the last 3 years.
 
2012-05-10 01:03:50 PM

DarwiOdrade: Scerpes: DarwiOdrade: So then you're completely ignoring the fact that Democratic states are hammering local governments. Fair enough.

Well since you're completely ignoring the fact that Obama has no control over what states do with their budgets, I figured it was only fair.

Not ignoring that at all. All I said is that the Obama years have not been kind to state and local governments.

You're also blaming Obama. How is this Obama's fault?


Is it still Bush's economy? So then he should get credit for the shrinking state and federal governments, right?
 
2012-05-10 01:07:33 PM

Scerpes: DarwiOdrade: Scerpes: DarwiOdrade: So then you're completely ignoring the fact that Democratic states are hammering local governments. Fair enough.

Well since you're completely ignoring the fact that Obama has no control over what states do with their budgets, I figured it was only fair.

Not ignoring that at all. All I said is that the Obama years have not been kind to state and local governments.

You're also blaming Obama. How is this Obama's fault?

Is it still Bush's economy? So then he should get credit for the shrinking state and federal governments, right?


I don't see how shrinking the state and local governments at the expense of jobs is worthy of credit, but if you must, yes, give it to Bush.
 
2012-05-10 01:07:34 PM

kronicfeld: birchman: Good thing that's not true, we all know that Obama took our deficit free booming economy and completely destroyed it with his out of control spending on, well, new things and stuff that were all his idea!

Soul Glo and fro picks.


You just reminded me of when Eddie Murphy predicted the 2007 Giants v Packers NFC Championship game.

/That was the last time I cried over a sporting event.
 
2012-05-10 01:09:12 PM

Scerpes: DarwiOdrade: Scerpes: DarwiOdrade: So then you're completely ignoring the fact that Democratic states are hammering local governments. Fair enough.

Well since you're completely ignoring the fact that Obama has no control over what states do with their budgets, I figured it was only fair.

Not ignoring that at all. All I said is that the Obama years have not been kind to state and local governments.

You're also blaming Obama. How is this Obama's fault?

Is it still Bush's economy? So then he should get credit for the shrinking state and federal governments, right?


It has nothing to do with Bush, dumbass. Stop conflating the federal budget and state/local budgets. How is Obama responsible when he has no control over how states spend their money?
 
2012-05-10 01:10:57 PM

DarwiOdrade: Scerpes: DarwiOdrade: Scerpes: DarwiOdrade: So then you're completely ignoring the fact that Democratic states are hammering local governments. Fair enough.

Well since you're completely ignoring the fact that Obama has no control over what states do with their budgets, I figured it was only fair.

Not ignoring that at all. All I said is that the Obama years have not been kind to state and local governments.

You're also blaming Obama. How is this Obama's fault?

Is it still Bush's economy? So then he should get credit for the shrinking state and federal governments, right?

It has nothing to do with Bush, dumbass. Stop conflating the federal budget and state/local budgets. How is Obama responsible when he has no control over how states spend their money?


I'm perfectly willing to accept that, but then let's not give Obama credit for reducing the size of government.
 
2012-05-10 01:23:49 PM
I'll never understand why Republicans think making more people unemployed in a time of high unemployment is not only a good thing, but the only measure that should be taken to combat a recession.
 
2012-05-10 01:24:06 PM

thomps: thomps: X-boxershorts: thomps: X-boxershorts: thomps: colon_pow: birchman: colon_pow: obamacare is a great example of His small governmentyness.

I thought Obamacare was a handout to the private insurance industry? Fark really needs an LOLWUT button.

oh, did i get that wrong? the government forcing every american to participate in obama's healthcare program is a small government solution?

LOLWUTEVER

i don't participate in obama's healthcare program yet>. oh f*ck, am i no longer an american?

Most of it goes live in 2014. Just figured I'd give you a reality check.

If by American you mean well informed and reality based policy discussions, then, no. You haven't been an American for some time.

we go single-payer in 2014? well hot damn

Moron, that's not what the conservative Heritage Foundation Health Care reform plan that the 111th congress passed and Obama signed into law does.

what does it do then, that will require me and every american system to "participate in obama's healthcare program?"

american citizen, not system.

/no good at the multitasking


The individual mandate. You most have health insurance.
 
2012-05-10 01:39:50 PM
To all the obama supporters:
It seems that he has done no wrong, and whilte it doesn't speak for all, it seems from the comments here that he has done everything perfectly. What are your complaints? He certainly is not perfect, but the GOP is so far out of touch that it is hard not to take their critics seriously. Just wondering what staunch obama supporters have to say.


/our gov is broken on both sides
//sick of bipartisan BS
 
2012-05-10 01:40:32 PM

X-boxershorts: thomps: thomps: X-boxershorts: thomps: X-boxershorts: thomps: colon_pow: birchman: colon_pow: obamacare is a great example of His small governmentyness.

I thought Obamacare was a handout to the private insurance industry? Fark really needs an LOLWUT button.

oh, did i get that wrong? the government forcing every american to participate in obama's healthcare program is a small government solution?

LOLWUTEVER

i don't participate in obama's healthcare program yet>. oh f*ck, am i no longer an american?

Most of it goes live in 2014. Just figured I'd give you a reality check.

If by American you mean well informed and reality based policy discussions, then, no. You haven't been an American for some time.

we go single-payer in 2014? well hot damn

Moron, that's not what the conservative Heritage Foundation Health Care reform plan that the 111th congress passed and Obama signed into law does.

what does it do then, that will require me and every american system to "participate in obama's healthcare program?"

american citizen, not system.

/no good at the multitasking

The individual mandate. You most have health insurance.


which is not at all equivalent to requiring every american to participate in obama's healthcare program... but that's fine, i'm just an uninformed moron.
 
2012-05-10 01:47:38 PM

X-boxershorts: The individual mandate. You most have health insurance.


Oh you must mean the tax benefit you get if you choose to have health insurance. How are they forcing you to do something exactly?
 
2012-05-10 01:53:06 PM

DarwiOdrade: Stop conflating the federal budget and state/local budgets. How is Obama responsible when he has no control over how states spend their money?


The conflating was started by some posters that put up a graph that showed total governmental spending is down vs gdp. The graph also stated that federal spending is up and state and local spending is down. And all of this as a confirmation that Obama is the small government president that has led to less govt spending. You just cannot explain that.
 
2012-05-10 02:33:32 PM

birchman: X-boxershorts: The individual mandate. You most have health insurance.

Oh you must mean the tax benefit you get if you choose to have health insurance. How are they forcing you to do something exactly?


Even though it does give tax credits to business for providing health insurance, as well as a tax break for low earning purchasers of health insurance, it is still a mandate and pretty much requires 100% citizen involvement in the health insurance markets.

Something that Thomps wasn't quite grasping.
 
2012-05-10 02:33:37 PM

Scerpes: I'm perfectly willing to accept that, but then let's not give Obama credit for reducing the size of government.


Saiga410: The conflating was started by some posters that put up a graph that showed total governmental spending is down vs gdp. The graph also stated that federal spending is up and state and local spending is down. And all of this as a confirmation that Obama is the small government president that has led to less govt spending. You just cannot explain that.


Can't we give Obama credit for having fewer federal employees per capita? Isn't that a valid measure of "smaller government"?
 
2012-05-10 02:36:44 PM

X-boxershorts: birchman: X-boxershorts: The individual mandate. You most have health insurance.

Oh you must mean the tax benefit you get if you choose to have health insurance. How are they forcing you to do something exactly?

Even though it does give tax credits to business for providing health insurance, as well as a tax break for low earning purchasers of health insurance, it is still a mandate and pretty much requires 100% citizen involvement in the health insurance markets.

Something that Thomps wasn't quite grasping.


so your definition of "obama's healthcare program" is now defined as the broader health insurance markets?
 
2012-05-10 02:42:05 PM

thomps: X-boxershorts: birchman: X-boxershorts: The individual mandate. You most have health insurance.

Oh you must mean the tax benefit you get if you choose to have health insurance. How are they forcing you to do something exactly?

Even though it does give tax credits to business for providing health insurance, as well as a tax break for low earning purchasers of health insurance, it is still a mandate and pretty much requires 100% citizen involvement in the health insurance markets.

Something that Thomps wasn't quite grasping.

so your definition of "obama's healthcare program" is now defined as the broader health insurance markets?


Now you're just trolling. It's the Heritage Foundation's health care reform program.
 
2012-05-10 02:48:20 PM

X-boxershorts: thomps: X-boxershorts: birchman: X-boxershorts: The individual mandate. You most have health insurance.

Oh you must mean the tax benefit you get if you choose to have health insurance. How are they forcing you to do something exactly?

Even though it does give tax credits to business for providing health insurance, as well as a tax break for low earning purchasers of health insurance, it is still a mandate and pretty much requires 100% citizen involvement in the health insurance markets.

Something that Thomps wasn't quite grasping.

so your definition of "obama's healthcare program" is now defined as the broader health insurance markets?

Now you're just trolling. It's the Heritage Foundation's health care reform program.


i'm not trolling at all. you called me an uninformed moron for disputing the claim that "the government [is] forcing every american to participate in obama's healthcare program." you've clearly backed off of that, but apparently still aren't quite grasping that.
 
2012-05-10 02:54:12 PM

thomps: X-boxershorts: thomps: X-boxershorts: birchman: X-boxershorts: The individual mandate. You most have health insurance.

Oh you must mean the tax benefit you get if you choose to have health insurance. How are they forcing you to do something exactly?

Even though it does give tax credits to business for providing health insurance, as well as a tax break for low earning purchasers of health insurance, it is still a mandate and pretty much requires 100% citizen involvement in the health insurance markets.

Something that Thomps wasn't quite grasping.

so your definition of "obama's healthcare program" is now defined as the broader health insurance markets?

Now you're just trolling. It's the Heritage Foundation's health care reform program.

i'm not trolling at all. you called me an uninformed moron for disputing the claim that "the government [is] forcing every american to participate in obama's healthcare program." you've clearly backed off of that, but apparently still aren't quite grasping that.


Almost nobody participates...yet.

The bulk of it doesn't go live till 2014. That's the moron part.
 
2012-05-10 02:56:17 PM

X-boxershorts: thomps: X-boxershorts: thomps: X-boxershorts: birchman: X-boxershorts: The individual mandate. You most have health insurance.

Oh you must mean the tax benefit you get if you choose to have health insurance. How are they forcing you to do something exactly?

Even though it does give tax credits to business for providing health insurance, as well as a tax break for low earning purchasers of health insurance, it is still a mandate and pretty much requires 100% citizen involvement in the health insurance markets.

Something that Thomps wasn't quite grasping.

so your definition of "obama's healthcare program" is now defined as the broader health insurance markets?

Now you're just trolling. It's the Heritage Foundation's health care reform program.

i'm not trolling at all. you called me an uninformed moron for disputing the claim that "the government [is] forcing every american to participate in obama's healthcare program." you've clearly backed off of that, but apparently still aren't quite grasping that.

Almost nobody participates...yet.

The bulk of it doesn't go live till 2014. That's the moron part.


so you agree with me, awesome. best friends forever.
 
2012-05-10 02:57:36 PM

thomps: X-boxershorts: thomps: X-boxershorts: thomps: X-boxershorts: birchman: X-boxershorts: The individual mandate. You most have health insurance.

Oh you must mean the tax benefit you get if you choose to have health insurance. How are they forcing you to do something exactly?

Even though it does give tax credits to business for providing health insurance, as well as a tax break for low earning purchasers of health insurance, it is still a mandate and pretty much requires 100% citizen involvement in the health insurance markets.

Something that Thomps wasn't quite grasping.

so your definition of "obama's healthcare program" is now defined as the broader health insurance markets?

Now you're just trolling. It's the Heritage Foundation's health care reform program.

i'm not trolling at all. you called me an uninformed moron for disputing the claim that "the government [is] forcing every american to participate in obama's healthcare program." you've clearly backed off of that, but apparently still aren't quite grasping that.

Almost nobody participates...yet.

The bulk of it doesn't go live till 2014. That's the moron part.

so you agree with me, awesome. best friends forever.


Oooh, Manly {HUGS}
 
2012-05-10 03:18:44 PM

DarwiOdrade: Can't we give Obama credit for having fewer federal employees per capita? Isn't that a valid measure of "smaller government"?


If defined that way and with the information that I have seen... Yes Obama has led to smaller governement.
 
2012-05-10 04:37:49 PM

Scerpes: DarwiOdrade: Scerpes: DarwiOdrade: Scerpes: DarwiOdrade: So then you're completely ignoring the fact that Democratic states are hammering local governments. Fair enough.

Well since you're completely ignoring the fact that Obama has no control over what states do with their budgets, I figured it was only fair.

Not ignoring that at all. All I said is that the Obama years have not been kind to state and local governments.

You're also blaming Obama. How is this Obama's fault?

Is it still Bush's economy? So then he should get credit for the shrinking state and federal governments, right?

It has nothing to do with Bush, dumbass. Stop conflating the federal budget and state/local budgets. How is Obama responsible when he has no control over how states spend their money?

I'm perfectly willing to accept that, but then let's not give Obama credit for reducing the size of government.



You're a pedantic prick. Obama can take credit for reducing the size of FEDERAL government.
 
2012-05-10 08:53:47 PM
The Republican party is the "small government party." No, they say so themselves. So you just know it's true
 
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