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2012-05-10 11:20:00 AM  
Eagles with 13 wins???

That would be great, but I highly doubt we do better than 10 wins.

You have to count on Vick being out for 3 or 4 games with an injury.
 
2012-05-10 11:28:09 AM  

lmxloco: lmxloco: INeedAName: Can someone explain to me how this works, never really payed attention to numbers and sports gambling.

The numbers are basically the adjusted score after the game is over. So for mainstreet62's example, 1.5 points would be added to the Giants final score. If the Giants win after the 1.5 points are added, then whoever bet on them would win the bet. That's why he considers it easy money, because the Giants should win most of their games...giving them points just makes it sweeter.

At least, that's how I've always been told it works, I only do friendly wagers on games.

And to add to that, if the first team has a (+#) then Vegas expects them to be behind at the end. The larger the #, the more Vegas expects them to lose by. On the flip side a (-#) would mean Vegas expects them to be ahead at the end. The larger the #, the more Vegas expects them to win by.

If you have sure things, bet now because as teams show their true selves over the course of the season, these odds will change, making some of the bets closer than they might be now.


And you usually get 3 pts for being at home, is that true or just a thing?
 
2012-05-10 11:34:15 AM  
I read it as having the Chiefs go 7-7, then I realized I was reading it backwards.
 
2012-05-10 11:39:50 AM  

bgddy24601: LesserEvil: SharkTrager: Point spreads are not predictions.

EXACTLY.

Point spreads change as time draws closer to the game, because they are based on how people are betting... the "house" is guaranteed a certain percentage, no matter what, based on the point spread's adjustment.

Glad to see this covered.

/eventually the house always wins


Jimmy the Greek got famous for a "blown" point spread. Yet the spread did exactly what they wanted and got even money on both sides of the wager.
 
2012-05-10 11:41:45 AM  

Dear Jerk: I read it as having the Chiefs go 7-7, then I realized I was reading it backwards.


I had it upside down.
 
2012-05-10 11:45:39 AM  

INeedAName:
And you usually get 3 pts for being at home, is that true or just a thing?


3 points is a rule of thumb, some teams have more or less of a home field advantage, historically. Seahawks and Chiefs probably get 4 points.
 
2012-05-10 11:51:57 AM  
Yeesh, ya gotta lay some wood for betting on the Packers, only 4 of those games opened at under a touchdown. I suppose it helps wehn you get the AFC South, NFC West and one with the Vikings in there.

/Can't wait for O/U's
//Hard to make the Raider Over bet like last year unless they're down for 4.5
 
2012-05-10 11:52:37 AM  

TheLads69: Cincinnati Bengals (+1.5) at Washington Redskins

LOL -- I'm all over this one. 'Skins are gonna kill the Bungles



Oh man, I missed that one. Another gem.
 
2012-05-10 12:08:09 PM  
Vegas is predicting the 49ers to go (or, more accurately, predicting the betting public's expectation of the 49ers to be) 12-4, with losses @Packers, @Jets, @Saints, and @Patriots.
 
2012-05-10 12:57:28 PM  

kronicfeld: meanmutton: They do NOT want uneven payouts because casinos may be in the gambling business but they're not gamblers. Winners pay a 10% commission. The line is set so that they have an equal number of winners and losers (optimally) and then they just get to keep the 10% commission. Technically, this is called "vigorish".

Wouldn't it be more accurate that they want even overall payout on both sides of the line, not necessary an equal number of bettors?

I don't bet on sports in casinos, just on the likes of Bodog/Bovada, and very often the payouts are uneven. A gross underdog will pay off two or three to one, and a gross overdog will be -400 or something.


You're right. They want the winning money to be paid off by the losing money, with them keeping the vig.
 
2012-05-10 01:03:03 PM  

Mateorocks: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Mateorocks: Well, that's that. Certainly no chance that these lines will ever change from week to week during the season.

That's that, if you place your wager now. It locks in that spread for you.

Yeah, but it's a helluva lot easier and more precise to wait until you find out who is actually playing on a Sunday before you place a bet. You can't really just look at these spreads and determine if Cam Newton will regress this year or not, as an example.

I'm a degenerate gambler. I know these things.


Oh, you like to WIN bets. Me too. I'm all for that. :)
 
2012-05-10 01:16:26 PM  

buckeyebrain: FTFA: As I sit here typing (yes, you are allowed to bring your computers and iPads into the book)

Since when?!?!?! Nevada gambling regulations prohibit the use of cell phones, or other communication devices in sports books, at least they have for the 10-ish times I've been to Vegas (though it may have changed in the last two years, hence my question).

Once, I was playing a poker tournament at Caesars Palace, and was on a break. Stepped outside of the poker room to email dinner plans with a friend and got harassed by a rent-a-cop because of this rule.

/CSB


Ban was lifted in August 2008
 
2012-05-10 01:25:07 PM  

buckeyebrain: FTFA: As I sit here typing (yes, you are allowed to bring your computers and iPads into the book)

Since when?!?!?! Nevada gambling regulations prohibit the use of cell phones, or other communication devices in sports books, at least they have for the 10-ish times I've been to Vegas (though it may have changed in the last two years, hence my question).

Once, I was playing a poker tournament at Caesars Palace, and was on a break. Stepped outside of the poker room to email dinner plans with a friend and got harassed by a rent-a-cop because of this rule.

/CSB


I've never totally got it for sports books in this day and age. I imagine most of the calls/texts would be people line shopping or at worst a blogger posting the current lines.
 
2012-05-10 01:31:57 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: buckeyebrain: FTFA: As I sit here typing (yes, you are allowed to bring your computers and iPads into the book)

Since when?!?!?! Nevada gambling regulations prohibit the use of cell phones, or other communication devices in sports books, at least they have for the 10-ish times I've been to Vegas (though it may have changed in the last two years, hence my question).

Once, I was playing a poker tournament at Caesars Palace, and was on a break. Stepped outside of the poker room to email dinner plans with a friend and got harassed by a rent-a-cop because of this rule.

/CSB

I've never totally got it for sports books in this day and age. I imagine most of the calls/texts would be people line shopping or at worst a blogger posting the current lines.


The original fear was someone acting as a middle man and taking bets for people out of state, etc.
 
2012-05-10 01:39:27 PM  

meanmutton: The original fear was someone acting as a middle man and taking bets for people out of state, etc.


As opposed to the guy who takes his buddies' money and lays it down for them? Hopefully Christie helps end the federal strangehold on this so we can stop worrying about building mansions in Costa Rica and the Caymans for these offshore putzes. The same ones that are hard to trust because you never know when the Justice Department is going to see how long their reach is and shut them down.
 
2012-05-10 01:41:46 PM  
Factoring in that these arent predictions and the betting lines ever evolving, the Jaguars arent favored for a single game.

/ugh long year
//which college player for #1 overall pick next year?
 
2012-05-10 01:49:46 PM  

cleveoh: Browns Season Ticket holder for 25 years. Gave 'em up at the end of last season.

No regrets so far.

Not expecting to have any.


I'm 100% certain that Wheedan will take the Brown's to the Superbowl.

And by that i mean drop the Cosby kids off at the pool.
 
2012-05-10 02:09:54 PM  
This is the easiest future wagering in the history of the world. Get 528k and bet every underdog on the board. Or if you want to have lower out of pocket, take 10-12 of the last Home Dogs for weeks 11-16.

These lines will change drastically. The lines are always weighted heavier for the favorite because people love to bet the "perceived" better team. Its not a prediction of the outcome of the game. Its a "price" that is inflated due to multiple variables, but its always inflated for the favorite.
 
2012-05-10 02:53:18 PM  
Meh, they've got the Bear at 9-6. Sounds about right, actually.

They still need an upgrade at DT.
 
2012-05-10 03:07:24 PM  

meanmutton: Guelph35: So which team should I bet against now so when they fall apart during the season I can bet on them and have some 7-point middles?

Eagles


Not wise. The Eagles were terrible last year and won their final 4 games. They are notorious for starting off slow, finishing the regular season strong, and blowing it in the playoffs. Other things to consider, Andy Reid has losing opening day record and has never lost a game after a regular season bye week (of course he failed after the playoff bye week).

/Still a fan though.
//Wonders if the people thinking that the Redskins are going to crush the Bengals watched the Bengals at all last year, or even noticed that they were in the playoffs.
 
2012-05-10 03:10:35 PM  
looks like the toughest games for the Packers is the NY giants (obvious) the Houstan Texans (Wtf?) and the Detriot Lions (Divisional game adjustment)

Can we say Playoffs!

Playoffs?
 
2012-05-10 03:19:19 PM  

This Looks Fun: Hectropolis: This Looks Fun: So, the Vikes predicted to win 3? Helloooo long season.

No, as others have tried to point out, the line is set to get folks to bet equally on both teams. If there's too many bets put on one team or another they have to adjust the spread to get things to even out. Ideally they want Peter to pay Paul and vice versa without them having to cover any losses from too many people betting on one team. They're in it to collect the vig from both parties in the transaction.

/Though a 3 win season is probably a best case scenario
//Sköl new stadium?

Ah, so let me talk this out... the line is really where they see the majority of BETS (not necessarily points) going? And to keep the bets even they adjust the line? Where does their profit come from then?


The vig (short for vigorish). If you see a spread favoring one team or another, usually beside it you will see a + or - next to a number. The 'favorite' is usually listed as something like -110, meaning in order to win $100 on this bet, you have to put up $110. The extra $10 is the vig, which you are indirectly paying the house in order to facilitate the bet.
 
2012-05-10 03:30:25 PM  

root88: meanmutton: Guelph35: So which team should I bet against now so when they fall apart during the season I can bet on them and have some 7-point middles?

Eagles

Not wise. The Eagles were terrible last year and won their final 4 games. They are notorious for starting off slow, finishing the regular season strong, and blowing it in the playoffs. Other things to consider, Andy Reid has losing opening day record and has never lost a game after a regular season bye week (of course he failed after the playoff bye week).

/Still a fan though.
//Wonders if the people thinking that the Redskins are going to crush the Bengals watched the Bengals at all last year, or even noticed that they were in the playoffs.


I'm wondering if this season could end up different for the Eagles. Reid and Vick are definitely gone after this year if the Eagles fail to go deep into the playoffs and everyone knows it. I wonder how much he'll be able to keep the team together if they are out of it early again this year. It's a much different animal this year than any other time in Reid's tenure as his job is actually on the line for the first time.
 
2012-05-10 03:36:19 PM  

Hectropolis: The vig (short for vigorish). If you see a spread favoring one team or another, usually beside it you will see a + or - next to a number. The 'favorite' is usually listed as something like -110, meaning in order to win $100 on this bet, you have to put up $110. The extra $10 is the vig, which you are indirectly paying the house in order to facilitate the bet.


Damn that shiat's confusing. Sometimes I feel like I'm wasting my computer science degree by only being marginally good at math. Then again, having done well in Calc, I'm also sometimes convinced that gambling isn't math. Either way, definitely not a gambler. Thanks for the explanations though (I also always wondered about the -110 thing).
 
2012-05-10 03:39:57 PM  
I feel like revealing spreads this early really opens up the door for middle bets from savvy gamblers.

There are a few trends that are easy to spot... home teams seem generally over-favored (home teams should only win about 60% of the games over the course of the season). Preseason favorites, even unproven teams, are being treated very favorably also.

It's not even about winning the bets, really.... any game where it looks like the line will likely move is a great vehicle for profit.
 
2012-05-10 03:46:25 PM  

mr.doctor: Dolphin


Dolphins were doing much better in the 2nd half of last year, so they may be able to take some momentum forward. Don't count them out, they are always tough.
 
2012-05-10 04:05:08 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: It's a much different animal this year than any other time in Reid's tenure as his job is actually on the line for the first time.


True. It's weird - I would not want to play the eagles because I feel like they are such a dangerous team. But it's hard to pencil them in for a playoff spot because it's a competitive division looking to be as tough or tougher this year than it was last year. Redskins could be better. Giants - even though they won the SB should be a good bet improve as far as regular season record goes. Cowboys - should be better. And the Eagles look ripe to improve after the way they finished and the potential of a healthy vick for a full season..

wild card : Doesn't seem like they could all get better. Someone is gonna fark up.
 
2012-05-10 04:16:11 PM  

kronicfeld: mainstreet62: Hahahahaha ONLY 1.5? Easiest money in the world!

Ah, offseason hubris.


Keep talking.

The last mediocre season we had, we won the Super Bowl.
 
2012-05-10 04:26:52 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: Meh, they've got the Bear at 9-6. Sounds about right, actually.

They still need an upgrade at DT.


I don't know about that. They need DT depth, but Melton was good last year and should get better this year (he only started playing DT 3 years ago). Paea is still an unknown, but showed some flashes as a run stuffer last year.
 
2012-05-10 05:22:12 PM  
Taking a look at my Detroit Lions:


St. Louis Rams (+9.5) at Detroit Lions-W
Detroit Lions (+3.5) at San Francisco 49ers-L
Detroit Lions (-1) at Tennessee Titans-W
Minnesota Vikings (+9) at Detroit Lions-W
Detroit Lions (+4.5) at Philadelphia Eagles-L
Detroit Lions (+2.5) at Chicago Bears-L
Seattle Seahawks (+6.5) at Detroit Lions-W
Detroit Lions (-4.5) at Jacksonville Jaguars-W
Detroit Lions (-3.5) at Minnesota Vikings-W
Green Bay Packers (-3) at Detroit Lions-L
Houston Texans (+2.5) at Detroit Lions-W
Indianapolis Colts (+9.5) at Detroit Lions-W
Detroit Lions (+7.5) at Green Bay Packers-L
Detroit Lions (-1.5) at Arizona Cardinals-W
Atlanta Falcons (+4) at Detroit Lions-W
Chicago Bears (NO LINE POSTED) at Detroit Lions

Based on this line, this gives the Lions a 10-6 (at worst, depending on the results of the week 17 Bears game) record. I'm not sure I'd give the Rams game +9.5, or the first Vikings game +9, and giving the Colts game +9.5 *this* early is asking for trouble.
 
2012-05-10 05:34:21 PM  
And some other observations:

Week 2
Arizona Cardinals (+13) at New England Patriots-Ouch.

Week 4:
Cleveland Browns (+10) at Baltimore Ravens-This line holds up, there gonna be some butthurt Browns fans.

Week 6:
Green Bay Packers (-1.5) at Houston Texans-They expect the Titans to play the Packers this close??? Really???

Week 8:
Jacksonville Jaguars (+14) at Green Bay Packers-HOLY BLOWOUT, Batman!

Week 9:
Arizona Cardinals (+13) at Green Bay Packers-Yet *another* blowout by the Packers? Back-to-back? At home?

Week 11:
Indianapolis Colts (+14) at New England Patriots-Are they *seriously* thinking that Luck will suck so badly that the Colts will end up being legally murdered in Foxboro?

Week 13:
Minnesota Vikings (+13.5) at Green Bay Packers-*Sigh* Muh ViQueens, muh poh, poh ViQueens.
 
2012-05-10 05:35:20 PM  
Week 6:
Green Bay Packers (-1.5) at Houston Texans-They expect the Titans Texans to play the Packers this close??? Really??? (ooopsie)
 
2012-05-10 05:47:03 PM  

JohnBigBootay: wild card : Doesn't seem like they could all get better. Someone is gonna fark up.


Not to mention that there are three good teams in the NFC North, a couple in the South, and a couple in the West.
 
2012-05-10 05:48:15 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Week 6:
Green Bay Packers (-1.5) at Houston Texans-They expect the Titans to play the Packers this close??? Really???


-1.5 on the road is saying that the Packers are the better team. The Texans are a solid squad, you didn't pay attention for the past couple of years if you think they're a joke.
 
2012-05-10 08:23:13 PM  

IAmRight: ClavellBCMI: Week 6:
Green Bay Packers (-1.5) at Houston Texans-They expect the Titans to play the Packers this close??? Really???

-1.5 on the road is saying that the Packers are the better team. The Texans are a solid squad, you didn't pay attention for the past couple of years if you think they're a joke.


It's not that I think they are a joke, I just don't expect that game to be that close. I would have gone -2.5, maybe -3.
 
2012-05-11 12:01:13 AM  
OK, Lets do this - not for gambiling purposes - I am no expert, but I want to be a wizard

WEEK 1

Dallas Cowboys (+3) at New York Giants
Indianapolis Colts (+9.5)
at Chicago Bears
Philadelphia Eagles (-7) at Cleveland Browns
Buffalo Bills (+5.5) at New York Jets
Washington Redskins (+9.5) at New Orleans Saints
New England Patriots (-6.5) at Tennessee Titans
Jacksonville Jaguars (+4) at Minnesota Vikings
Miami Dolphins (+6) at Houston Texans
St. Louis Rams (+9.5) at Detroit Lions
Atlanta Falcons (PICK) at Kansas City Chiefs
San Francisco 49ers (+6.5)
at Green Bay Packers
Carolina Panthers (+3) at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Seattle Seahawks (+2) at Arizona Cardinals
Pittsburgh Steelers (+2)
at Denver Broncos
Cincinnati Bengals (+7) at Baltimore Ravens
San Diego Chargers (PICK) at Oakland Raiders

WEEK 2

Chicago Bears (+7.5) at Green Bay Packers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (+9)
at New York Giants
New Orleans Saints (-2.5) at Carolina Panthers
Arizona Cardinals (+13) at New England Patriots
Minnesota Vikings (+2.5) at Indianapolis Colts
Baltimore Ravens (+3.5) at Philadelphia Eagles
Kansas City Chiefs (+2.5)
at Buffalo Bills
Oakland Raiders (+3.5) at Miami Dolphins
Cleveland Browns (+7) at Cincinnati Bengals
Houston Texans (-5.5)
at Jacksonville Jaguars
Dallas Cowboys (+1.5) at Seattle Seahawks
Washington Redskins (PICK) at St. Louis Rams
New York Jets (+4.5) at Pittsburgh Steelers
Tennessee Titans (+6) at San Diego Chargers
Detroit Lions (+3.5) at San Francisco 49ers
Denver Broncos (+2.5)
at Atlanta Falcons

WEEK 3

New York Giants (PICK) at Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (+7) at Dallas Cowboys
St. Louis Rams (+7.5)
at Chicago Bears
San Francisco 49ers (-4.5) at Minnesota Vikings
Detroit Lions (-1) at Tennessee Titans
Cincinnati Bengals (+1.5) at Washington Redskins
Kansas City Chiefs (+7)
at New Orleans Saints
New York Jets (+1) at Miami Dolphins
Buffalo Bills (-1) at Cleveland Browns
Jacksonville Jaguars (+3.5) at Indianapolis Colts
Philadelphia Eagles (-3)
at Arizona Cardinals
Atlanta Falcons (+3.5) at San Diego Chargers
Houston Texans (PICK) at Denver Broncos
Pittsburgh Steelers (-3)
at Oakland Raiders
New England Patriots (-1.5) at Baltimore Ravens
Green Bay Packers (-6)
at Seattle Seahawks

WEEK 4

Cleveland Browns (+10) at Baltimore Ravens
New England Patriots (-5.5) at Buffalo Bills
Tennessee Titans (+7.5)
at Houston Texans
San Diego Chargers (-1) at Kansas City Chiefs
Minnesota Vikings (+9) at Detroit Lions
Carolina Panthers (+4.5)
at Atlanta Falcons
Seattle Seahawks (-1) at St. Louis Rams
San Francisco 49ers (+1) at New York Jets
Miami Dolphins (+2.5) at Arizona Cardinals
Oakland Raiders (+7)
at Denver Broncos
Cincinnati Bengals (-2.5) at Jacksonville Jaguars
New Orleans Saints (+7) at Green Bay Packers
Washington Redskins (+1)
at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
New York Giants (+4) at Philadelphia Eagles
Chicago Bears (+3) at Dallas Cowboys

WEEK 5

Arizona Cardinals (+1) at St. Louis Rams
Atlanta Falcons (-1.5) at Washington Redskins
Philadelphia Eagles (+1) at Pittsburgh Steelers
Green Bay Packers (-9.5) at Indianapolis Colts
Cleveland Browns (+9.5)
at New York Giants
Tennessee Titans (PICK) at Minnesota Vikings
Miami Dolphins (+2.5) at Cincinnati Bengals
Baltimore Ravens (-3) at Kansas City Chiefs
Seattle Seahawks (+3.5)
at Carolina Panthers
Chicago Bears (-3) at Jacksonville Jaguars
Denver Broncos (+7) at New England Patriots
Buffalo Bills (+7.5)
at San Francisco 49ers
San Diego Chargers (+4) at New Orleans Saints
Houston Texans (PICK) at New York Jets

WEEK 6

Pittsburgh Steelers (-1.5) at Tennessee Titans
Oakland Raiders (+6.5) at Atlanta Falcons
Kansas City Chiefs (PICK) at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Indianapolis Colts (+7.5) at New York Jets
Cincinnati Bengals (-2) at Cleveland Browns
Detroit Lions (+4.5)
at Philadelphia Eagles
St. Louis Rams (+4.5) at Miami Dolphins
Dallas Cowboys (+5.5)
at Baltimore Ravens
Buffalo Bills (+2.5) at Arizona Cardinals
New England Patriots (-6) at Seattle Seahawks
New York Giants (+3) at San Francisco 49ers
Minnesota Vikings (+4) at Washington Redskins
Green Bay Packers (-1.5)
at Houston Texans
Denver Broncos (+2.5) at San Diego Chargers

WEEK 7

Seattle Seahawks (+7) at San Francisco 49ers
Washington Redskins (+7)
at New York Giants
Arizona Cardinals (+1) at Minnesota Vikings
Dallas Cowboys (+1) at Carolina Panthers
New Orleans Saints (-4) at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Green Bay Packers (-9.5) at St. Louis Rams
Baltimore Ravens (+3) at Houston Texans
Cleveland Browns (+3) at Indianapolis Colts
Tennessee Titans (+3.5) at Buffalo Bills
New York Jets (+8)
at New England Patriots
Jacksonville Jaguars (+5.5) at Oakland Raiders
Pittsburgh Steelers (-1.5)
at Cincinnati Bengals
Detroit Lions (+2.5) at Chicago Bears

WEEK 8

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (+3) at Minnesota Vikings
Jacksonville Jaguars (+14)
at Green Bay Packers
Miami Dolphins (+4.5) at New York Jets
San Diego Chargers (-3.5)
at Cleveland Browns
Indianapolis Colts (+6) at Tennessee Titans
New England Patriots (-11) at St. Louis Rams
Atlanta Falcons (+6.5) at Philadelphia Eagles
Carolina Panthers (+4) at Chicago Bears
Seattle Seahawks (+6.5) at Detroit Lions
Washington Redskins (+7)
at Pittsburgh Steelers
Oakland Raiders (+4) at Kansas City Chiefs
New York Giants (+2.5) at Dallas Cowboys
New Orleans Saints (+2.5) at Denver Broncos
San Francisco 49ers (-3)
at Arizona Cardinals

WEEK 9

Kansas City Chiefs (+5.5) at San Diego Chargers
Carolina Panthers (+1) at Washington Redskins
Arizona Cardinals (+13)
at Green Bay Packers
Detroit Lions (-4.5) at Jacksonville Jaguars
Chicago Bears (-1) at Tennessee Titans
Denver Broncos (PICK) at Cincinnati Bengals
Baltimore Ravens (-5.5) at Cleveland Browns
Buffalo Bills (+7) at Houston Texans
Miami Dolphins (-1) at Indianapolis Colts
Minnesota Vikings (+5.5)
at Seattle Seahawks
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (+4.5) at Oakland Raiders
Pittsburgh Steelers (+3) at New York Giants
Dallas Cowboys (+2.5)
at Atlanta Falcons
Philadelphia Eagles (+2.5) at New Orleans Saints

WEEK 10

Indianapolis Colts (+3) at Jacksonville Jaguars
Denver Broncos (PICK) at Carolina Panthers
San Diego Chargers (-3) at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tennessee Titans (+3.5)
at Miami Dolphins
Buffalo Bills (+11.5) at New England Patriots
Oakland Raiders (+8) at Baltimore Ravens
New York Giants (PICK) at Cincinnati Bengals
Atlanta Falcons (+5.5) at New Orleans Saints
Detroit Lions (-3.5) at Minnesota Vikings
New York Jets (+1.5) at Seattle Seahawks
Dallas Cowboys (+4.5) at Philadelphia Eagles
St. Louis Rams (+9) at San Francisco 49ers
Houston Texans (+1)
at Chicago Bears
Kansas City Chiefs (+7) at Pittsburgh Steelers

WEEK 11

Miami Dolphins (+2.5) at Buffalo Bills
Philadelphia Eagles (-3.5) at Washington Redskins
Green Bay Packers (-3) at Detroit Lions
Arizona Cardinals (+6)
at Atlanta Falcons
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (+6) at Carolina Panthers
Cleveland Browns (+7.5) at Dallas Cowboys
New York Jets (-3) at St. Louis Rams
Indianapolis Colts (+14) at New England Patriots
Jacksonville Jaguars (+10.5) at Houston Texans
Cincinnati Bengals (+2.5) at Kansas City Chiefs
New Orleans Saints (-3) at Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers (+3.5) at Denver Broncos
Baltimore Ravens (+3) at Pittsburgh Steelers
Chicago Bears (+4.5) at San Francisco 49ers

WEEK 12

Houston Texans (+2.5) at Detroit Lions
Washington Redskins (+6)
at Dallas Cowboys
New England Patriots (-5) at New York Jets
Oakland Raiders (+4.5)
at Cincinnati Bengals
Pittsburgh Steelers (-6) at Cleveland Browns
Buffalo Bills (-1) at Indianapolis Colts
Tennessee Titans (-1)
at Jacksonville Jaguars
Denver Broncos (+1) at Kansas City Chiefs
Minnesota Vikings (+7.5)
at Chicago Bears
Atlanta Falcons (-2.5) at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Seattle Seahawks (+3)
at Miami Dolphins
Baltimore Ravens (+1) at San Diego Chargers
San Francisco 49ers (+3.5) at New Orleans Saints
St. Louis Rams (+3.5) at Arizona Cardinals
Green Bay Packers (-3) at New York Giants
Carolina Panthers (+7) at Philadelphia Eagles

WEEK 13

New Orleans Saints (+2.5) at Atlanta Falcons
Seattle Seahawks (+5.5) at Chicago Bears
Minnesota Vikings (+13.5)
at Green Bay Packers
San Francisco 49ers (-5.5) at St. Louis Rams
Arizona Cardinals (+6.5) at New York Jets
Carolina Panthers (+3) at Kansas City Chiefs
Indianapolis Colts (+9.5)
at Detroit Lions
Jacksonville Jaguars (+5.5) at Buffalo Bills
New England Patriots (-6.5) at Miami Dolphins
Houston Texans (-3)
at Tennessee Titans
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (+8.5) at Denver Broncos
Pittsburgh Steelers (+3) at Baltimore Ravens
Cleveland Browns (+4.5) at Oakland Raiders
Cincinnati Bengals (+5.5)
at San Diego Chargers
Philadelphia Eagles (-1) at Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants (-2.5) at Washington Redskins

WEEK 14

Denver Broncos (-1.5) at Oakland Raiders
Baltimore Ravens (-3.5) at Washington Redskins
Kansas City Chiefs (-1.5) at Cleveland Browns
San Diego Chargers (+3.5) at Pittsburgh Steelers
Tennessee Titans (PICK) at Indianapolis Colts
New York Jets (-3.5)
at Jacksonville Jaguars
Chicago Bears (-2.5) at Minnesota Vikings
Atlanta Falcons (+1) at Carolina Panthers
Philadelphia Eagles (-5.5) at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
St. Louis Rams (+6) at Buffalo Bills
Dallas Cowboys (+1)
at Cincinnati Bengals
Miami Dolphins (+7) at San Francisco 49ers
New Orleans Saints (+2.5) at New York Giants
Arizona Cardinals (+4)
at Seattle Seahawks
Detroit Lions (+7.5) at Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans (+6.5) at New England Patriots

WEEK 15

Cincinnati Bengals (+7) at Philadelphia Eagles
Green Bay Packers (-3) at Chicago Bears
New York Giants (+1.5) at Atlanta Falcons
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (+10) at New Orleans Saints
Minnesota Vikings (+3) at St. Louis Rams
Washington Redskins (-1) at Cleveland Browns
Jacksonville Jaguars (+7.5) at Miami Dolphins
Denver Broncos (+3.5) at Baltimore Ravens
Indianapolis Colts (+10.5)
at Houston Texans
Detroit Lions (-1.5) at Arizona Cardinals
Carolina Panthers (+5.5) at San Diego Chargers
Seattle Seahawks (+3.5) at Buffalo Bills
Pittsburgh Steelers (+1.5)
at Dallas Cowboys
Kansas City Chiefs (+2.5) at Oakland Raiders
San Francisco 49ers (+6.5)
at New England Patriots
New York Jets (PICK) at Tennessee Titans

WEEK 16

Atlanta Falcons (+4) at Detroit Lions
Tennessee Titans (+11)
at Green Bay Packers
Oakland Raiders (+4.5) at Carolina Panthers
Buffalo Bills (+3) at Miami Dolphins
Cincinnati Bengals (+6) at Pittsburgh Steelers
New England Patriots (-9) at Jacksonville Jaguars
Indianapolis Colts (+6)
at Kansas City Chiefs
New Orleans Saints (-1) at Dallas Cowboys
Washington Redskins (+9)
at Philadelphia Eagles
St. Louis Rams (+2.5) at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
New York Giants (+3.5) at Baltimore Ravens
Minnesota Vikings (+10) at Houston Texans
Cleveland Browns (+8.5) at Denver Broncos
Chicago Bears (-1) at Arizona Cardinals
San Francisco 49ers (-2.5) at Seattle Seahawks
San Diego Chargers (+2.5) at New York Jets

WEEK 17 (no lines posted)

New York Jets at Buffalo Bills
Miami Dolphins at New England Patriots
Baltimore Ravens
at Cincinnati Bengals
Cleveland Browns at Pittsburgh Steelers
Houston Texans at Indianapolis Colts
Jacksonville Jaguars
at Tennessee Titans
Philadelphia Eagles at New York Giants
Dallas Cowboys at Washington Redskins
Chicago Bears at Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
at Minnesota Vikings
Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers at New Orleans Saints
Kansas City Chiefs at Denver Broncos
Oakland Raiders
at San Diego Chargers
Arizona Cardinals at San Francisco 49ers
St. Louis Rams at Seattle Seahawks
 
2012-05-11 12:03:49 AM  
Two omissions to be corrected from above:

Week 2

New York Jets (+4.5) at Pittsburgh Steelers

Week 17

New York Jets at Buffalo Bills
 
2012-05-11 09:46:51 AM  

ClavellBCMI: It's not that I think they are a joke, I just don't expect that game to be that close. I would have gone -2.5, maybe -3.


Road games are automatically shaded 3 points for the home team. -1.5 in Houston is pretty much saying -4.5 in a neutral stadium and -7.5 if the game were in Green Bay. In that light, it makes a bit more sense.
 
2012-05-11 12:42:51 PM  
Go Packers!!!
 
2012-05-11 09:36:43 PM  

vonmatrices: OK, Lets do this - not for gambiling purposes - I am no expert, but I want to be a wizard


Really? Carolina at 3-13?

I know the last couple seasons have been pretty abysmal, but it's getting better.

I have to believe it's getting better.
 
2012-05-11 10:47:28 PM  

SourImplant: vonmatrices: OK, Lets do this - not for gambiling purposes - I am no expert, but I want to be a wizard

Really? Carolina at 3-13?

I know the last couple seasons have been pretty abysmal, but it's getting better.

I have to believe it's getting better.


Tough division, the specter of a sophomore slump by Cam, the best receiver is 33 and two years removed from asking for a trade... everything the haters are throwing around outside the division is pretty thin; they're not 13-3 but they're not 3-13 bad as these opening lines suggest.
 
2012-05-12 02:50:10 AM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: SourImplant: vonmatrices: OK, Lets do this - not for gambiling purposes - I am no expert, but I want to be a wizard

Really? Carolina at 3-13?

I know the last couple seasons have been pretty abysmal, but it's getting better.

I have to believe it's getting better.

Tough division, the specter of a sophomore slump by Cam, the best receiver is 33 and two years removed from asking for a trade... everything the haters are throwing around outside the division is pretty thin; they're not 13-3 but they're not 3-13 bad as these opening lines suggest.


Looking at my picks after a day, I only have two things to say about the Carolina Panthers,

Week 11 - I picked TB on points, not to win.
Week 12 - I may have homer'ed a bit on my Philadelphia Eagles, especially with a +7 for Carolina.

Either way, I'm sticking to my picks. I saved them on the hard drive, along with the link to the thread. Win or lose, it will always be hilarious.
 
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