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2012-05-10 07:15:43 AM

Rasraf Mekerk: This is why I don't prescribe narcotic pain meds. If your pain is that bad then you need to see a pain specialist.

/doctor


No WONDER we have all these pain clinics around Florida!
 
2012-05-10 07:17:30 AM

NewportBarGuy: Because doctors are weak sacks of sh*t, unable to either follow protocol in prescribing meds, or following up to see if the course is even working.

jjwars1: There's a reason we invaded Afghanistan, the worlds #1 producer of opiates used in painkillers

Bzzzzt! Wrong... Pharmaceutical heroin is much cheaper and cleaner.

I can't wait to see the sales numbers for Zohydro. We've basically legalized heroin. Let's stop f*cking around here and admit that we have legalized hardcore drugs and pretend it's legal by using pharmacology. Yet, marijuana is still illegal and will kill all the children.

I'd venture to bet that many of the same people who are vehemently anti-pot are consistently 4-7 days early on their refill for Oxy or vicodin. F*cking hypocritical assholes.

It's hysterical, really. We're fighting the Drug War and running a multi-billion business in those very same meds, but with a doctor and a prescription pad. Don't give me the chronic pain crap. I know the ones who are on it for fused discs and such. I know it has a legitimate use, but the hypocrisy of the argument on drugs we have is just ridiculous.

We can't have an honest discussion about anything in this country. Ahhhh... F*ck it. I'm just going to put my 401(k) on Zohydro and let it ride!


Heroine is opiate based. All effective prescription painkillers are opiate based like morphine, Vicodin, oxy, etc.
 
2012-05-10 07:17:55 AM
because Obama!
 
2012-05-10 07:19:21 AM
Because Medicare Part D?
 
2012-05-10 07:20:18 AM

NewportBarGuy: Because doctors are weak sacks of sh*t, unable to either follow protocol in prescribing meds, or following up to see if the course is even working.

jjwars1: There's a reason we invaded Afghanistan, the worlds #1 producer of opiates used in painkillers

Bzzzzt! Wrong... Pharmaceutical heroin is much cheaper and cleaner.

I can't wait to see the sales numbers for Zohydro. We've basically legalized heroin. Let's stop f*cking around here and admit that we have legalized hardcore drugs and pretend it's legal by using pharmacology. Yet, marijuana is still illegal and will kill all the children.

I'd venture to bet that many of the same people who are vehemently anti-pot are consistently 4-7 days early on their refill for Oxy or vicodin. F*cking hypocritical assholes.

It's hysterical, really. We're fighting the Drug War and running a multi-billion business in those very same meds, but with a doctor and a prescription pad. Don't give me the chronic pain crap. I know the ones who are on it for fused discs and such. I know it has a legitimate use, but the hypocrisy of the argument on drugs we have is just ridiculous.

We can't have an honest discussion about anything in this country. Ahhhh... F*ck it. I'm just going to put my 401(k) on Zohydro and let it ride!


Zohydro is also opiate based BTW, so bzzz wrong. ;-)
 
2012-05-10 07:22:06 AM
Because the American left does 80% of the world's whining.
 
2012-05-10 07:27:22 AM
FTFA: "Mr Elassar served three years in jail robbing a bank"

I didn't know they had bank robbing as an activity in prison!

/ Also, geez... if you can't close the deal in three years, just get out of the bank, man, 'cause it's over.
 
2012-05-10 07:29:04 AM

bunner: RDixon: We don't use 80% of the world's pain killers.

But it said so on the internet.


80% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
 
2012-05-10 07:29:50 AM
 
2012-05-10 07:32:02 AM
1. Because life's a drag.
2. Because there's a pill for everything.
3. Because, just because.
 
2012-05-10 07:32:24 AM
Zombie nation.
 
2012-05-10 07:32:34 AM

bunner: Marine1: jjwars1: There's a reason we invaded Afghanistan, the worlds #1 producer of opiates used in painkillers, and it wasn't to get the bad guys.

Conspiracy, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

Any time you see yourself smirking and thinking "conspiracy theory", just say "business plan" instead. You'd be amazed at how much less tinfoil hatty things look.


And that's what makes it a conspiracy theory.

Here's why we went to Afghanistan: Al Qaeda attacks us. Al Qaeda is led by Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden is in Afghanistan along with his posse, being tolerated by the Taliban government. Ta-da.
 
2012-05-10 07:33:52 AM

HoozierDaddy: bunner: RDixon: We don't use 80% of the world's pain killers.

But it said so on the internet.

80% of all statistics are made up on the spot.


It's 80% of the global opiate supply, meaning they aren't counting just opiate based painkillers. That includes illegal drugs like opium and heroine as well. The number has been widely cited. Do you have anything that says otherwise?
 
2012-05-10 07:35:38 AM
Interesting...notice the number one reason people go to docs for???? My guess is they are in pain. What do doctors hate the most???? Treating people who are in CHRONIC pain.......me thinks doctors need a different paradigm..........

But now that peeps are strung out...well that just is not gonna happen.
A shame really.......but pain really sucks!
 
2012-05-10 07:36:24 AM

Marine1: Here's why we went to Afghanistan: Al Qaeda attacks us. Al Qaeda is led by Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden is in Afghanistan along with his posse, being tolerated by the Taliban government. Ta-da.


That's the same reason we attacked Pakistan, right?
 
2012-05-10 07:37:23 AM

Marine1: Here's why we went to Afghanistan: Al Qaeda attacks us. Al Qaeda is led by Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden is in Afghanistan along with his posse, being tolerated by the Taliban government. Ta-da.


Any time anybody tells me "it went like THIS and there's NOTHING MORE TO IT", I get a little twitchy. It's not your fault. I read a lot of history. Carry on, sir.
 
2012-05-10 07:37:49 AM

bunner: Because we've built a damaged and damaging culture of throwing ourselves against an unfeeling stone wall, until we ache like hell, in exchange for bread?


WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER
 
2012-05-10 07:39:29 AM

untaken_name: Marine1: Here's why we went to Afghanistan: Al Qaeda attacks us. Al Qaeda is led by Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden is in Afghanistan along with his posse, being tolerated by the Taliban government. Ta-da.

That's the same reason we attacked Pakistan, right?


Well, we have been launching drone attacks into Pakistan. We also had a raid that killed Bin Laden... when he was in Pakistan.
 
2012-05-10 07:40:40 AM
Medical-Industrial complex.
 
2012-05-10 07:41:01 AM

bunner: Marine1: jjwars1: There's a reason we invaded Afghanistan, the worlds #1 producer of opiates used in painkillers, and it wasn't to get the bad guys.

Conspiracy, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

Any time you see yourself smirking and thinking "conspiracy theory", just say "business plan" instead. You'd be amazed at how much less tinfoil hatty things look.


That's the scariest thing I've ever read in my life.
 
2012-05-10 07:41:26 AM
Well damn, I'm in fairly constant pain from a horrible back, ruptured disks, pinched nerves, spasmodic muscles. But I won't take pain meds because they leave me a listless zombie. Kinda happy but no drive to do anything.

\Does booze count as a pain killer? OK, then I take pain meds daily.
 
2012-05-10 07:42:49 AM

Marine1: Here's why we went to Afghanistan: Al Qaeda attacks us. Al Qaeda is led by Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden is in Afghanistan along with his posse, being tolerated by the Taliban government. Ta-da.


Ok, but how does WTC 7 being deliberately brought down by cordite fit into all that?

/oh yeah
//went there
 
2012-05-10 07:43:07 AM
My friend's doctor is literally a drug dealer. He'll write a max quantity prescription for anything he asks for. It's rather insane, but it's a nice resource for when I tweak my back.
 
2012-05-10 07:43:27 AM

jjwars1: NewportBarGuy: Because doctors are weak sacks of sh*t, unable to either follow protocol in prescribing meds, or following up to see if the course is even working.

jjwars1: There's a reason we invaded Afghanistan, the worlds #1 producer of opiates used in painkillers

Bzzzzt! Wrong... Pharmaceutical heroin is much cheaper and cleaner.

I can't wait to see the sales numbers for Zohydro. We've basically legalized heroin. Let's stop f*cking around here and admit that we have legalized hardcore drugs and pretend it's legal by using pharmacology. Yet, marijuana is still illegal and will kill all the children.

I'd venture to bet that many of the same people who are vehemently anti-pot are consistently 4-7 days early on their refill for Oxy or vicodin. F*cking hypocritical assholes.

It's hysterical, really. We're fighting the Drug War and running a multi-billion business in those very same meds, but with a doctor and a prescription pad. Don't give me the chronic pain crap. I know the ones who are on it for fused discs and such. I know it has a legitimate use, but the hypocrisy of the argument on drugs we have is just ridiculous.

We can't have an honest discussion about anything in this country. Ahhhh... F*ck it. I'm just going to put my 401(k) on Zohydro and let it ride!

Heroine is opiate based. All effective prescription painkillers are opiate based like morphine, Vicodin, oxy, etc.


Err, no. Look up synthetic opiates, like fentanyl. They aren't based on the natural opiate structure at all.
 
2012-05-10 07:46:56 AM

BrainyBear: bunner: Because we've built a damaged and damaging culture of throwing ourselves against an unfeeling stone wall, until we ache like hell, in exchange for bread?

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER


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2012-05-10 07:47:21 AM

Marine1: untaken_name: Marine1: Here's why we went to Afghanistan: Al Qaeda attacks us. Al Qaeda is led by Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden is in Afghanistan along with his posse, being tolerated by the Taliban government. Ta-da.

That's the same reason we attacked Pakistan, right?

Well, we have been launching drone attacks into Pakistan. We also had a raid that killed Bin Laden... when he was in Pakistan.


Yeah, that's kind of my point, Sparky.

Why didn't we invade Pakistan like we did Afghanistan, given that (as YOU mentioned) we eventually found him there? Why did we invade Afghanistan when a surgical strike could have accomplished the goal you said was our goal in Afghanistan (as evidenced by the Pakistan raid)?

In other words, you're saying that we needed to start a 10-year undeclared war to kill Bin Laden, but we didn't kill him in that country, and we didn't invade the country we DID kill him in, and this still somehow makes perfect sense to you?
 
2012-05-10 07:48:31 AM
because weed is illegal?
 
2012-05-10 07:49:25 AM

miss diminutive: Marine1: Here's why we went to Afghanistan: Al Qaeda attacks us. Al Qaeda is led by Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden is in Afghanistan along with his posse, being tolerated by the Taliban government. Ta-da.

Ok, but how does WTC 7 being deliberately brought down by cordite fit into all that?

/oh yeah
//went there


Lulz
 
2012-05-10 07:50:50 AM

LoneCoon: bunner: Marine1: jjwars1: There's a reason we invaded Afghanistan, the worlds #1 producer of opiates used in painkillers, and it wasn't to get the bad guys.

Conspiracy, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

Any time you see yourself smirking and thinking "conspiracy theory", just say "business plan" instead. You'd be amazed at how much less tinfoil hatty things look.

That's the scariest thing I've ever read in my life.


When you move things around a trillion at a time, when you can support or dismantle entire nation states to suit your interests, when you've rigged the game to the point where all the hard wealth flows in one direction, there's not much left to do, other than play the Monopoly game on that level.

You can't just sit around and pretend you're all worked up about things and you're trying to create jobs and make progress. You're already set, sorted and jacked into the beast at a level beyond your wildest dreams.

Everything is already divvied up, tagged and most of it is in your pocket. It's just a matter of which leviathan gets the last bite.

There really is a big club and we ain't in it. And it's business. Pure and simple. It's the scale that defies description. but know this. NOTHING happens ANYWHERE without moving money around. All this flag waving, and moral imperative and patriotic malarkey is what keeps people dying for bread crumbs. And that's good business, too if you have the loaf of bread the crumbs are falling from.
 
2012-05-10 07:51:52 AM
because we have the best health care system in the world.

We also consume a large percentage of cancer drugs, MRI machines and other miracles of modern medicine.

/And it will all end when it changes from excellent to "not covered" to "prohibited." The inevitable Obama legacy.
 
2012-05-10 07:53:17 AM

Marine1: untaken_name: Marine1: Here's why we went to Afghanistan: Al Qaeda attacks us. Al Qaeda is led by Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden is in Afghanistan along with his posse, being tolerated by the Taliban government. Ta-da.

That's the same reason we attacked Pakistan, right?

Well, we have been launching drone attacks into Pakistan. We also had a raid that killed Bin Laden... when he was in Pakistan.


I don't get the Pakistan thing either marine1. That's where Osama was actually hiding while we were blowing up caves in Afghani. Even the US Gov. beleives the Pakistan government was aware of his location.
 
2012-05-10 07:55:03 AM

Chimperror2: because we have the best health care system in the world.

We also consume a large percentage of cancer drugs, MRI machines and other miracles of modern medicine.

/And it will all end when it changes from excellent to "not covered" to "prohibited." The inevitable Obama legacy.


Seriously? So, if only the rich can afford medicine, that rocks, but if the poor start getting a crack at health care, we'll all be slaves to some fat, gray cow behind a desk saying "DENIED", unlike now, when insurance companies happily pay off on health care plans they sell?
 
2012-05-10 07:57:46 AM
Maybe it's my 60 hour work week? Fark off and lemme have my "dooner's little helpers". Also, don't they sell codeine without prescription OTC in every other country in the world besides America? USA USA USA
 
2012-05-10 07:59:03 AM

Chimperror2: because we have the best health care system in the world.

We also consume a large percentage of cancer drugs, MRI machines and other miracles of modern medicine.

/And it will all end when it changes from excellent to "not covered" to "prohibited." The inevitable Obama legacy.


I want in on this best health care system in the world thing....oh wait I don't have insurance and can't afford it so I'm screwed.
 
2012-05-10 08:01:23 AM
Same reason why we eat all of the food.

Because we buy them.

People who can't buy painkillers can't ingest them. We can buy them, so we get to ingest them. Doesn't mean we deserve it more, it just means that we have the ability. If you were in a wheelchair, would you think those kids down the road playing soccer are doing so maliciously? No, they're just more fortunate and are going to enjoy it. They can't help your legs, though they do try to include you. It's just that while they have this tremendous gift, that gift isn't large enough to drag you up close to their level without dragging them down to yours. Asking for a leg up is great, asking someone to trade places with you isn't.
 
2012-05-10 08:02:35 AM

Chimperror2: because we have the best health care system in the world.


I'm not so sure creating a generation of addicts counts as health care.
 
2012-05-10 08:05:39 AM
Insurance companies take money from you, in order to pay for things when you need them to, and pay from a pool that's large enough to keep them profitable when they have to pay. They have entire floors of people who are paid to try and make sure they never have to pay a penny for the stuff they promised to pay for when they took your money. Insurance companies are largely deadbeats and the fact that they control most of what is supposed to be medicine means that medicine is largely not about medicine. Ta da.
 
2012-05-10 08:06:23 AM
Because it's painful being an American. Duh!
 
2012-05-10 08:06:31 AM
It's pretty easy to understand why we use so damn many, anybody who has to take them or uses them for recreational purposes after awhile develops a tolerance. With the street value of opiates becoming so high it becomes a tempting source of income for retired folks or those on limited income to make money. It's hard for a monkey to sell banna's though.

Anyone who has ever been addicted to painkillers knows what hell is like when withdrawl hits. I fell 30 ft onto concrete when i was younger and the doctors passed out those things like candy to me, eventually I was getting prescribed 75 mcg patches and oxycodone to deal with pain.
 
2012-05-10 08:09:31 AM

ChubbyTiger: jjwars1: NewportBarGuy: Because doctors are weak sacks of sh*t, unable to either follow protocol in prescribing meds, or following up to see if the course is even working.

jjwars1: There's a reason we invaded Afghanistan, the worlds #1 producer of opiates used in painkillers

Bzzzzt! Wrong... Pharmaceutical heroin is much cheaper and cleaner.

I can't wait to see the sales numbers for Zohydro. We've basically legalized heroin. Let's stop f*cking around here and admit that we have legalized hardcore drugs and pretend it's legal by using pharmacology. Yet, marijuana is still illegal and will kill all the children.

I'd venture to bet that many of the same people who are vehemently anti-pot are consistently 4-7 days early on their refill for Oxy or vicodin. F*cking hypocritical assholes.

It's hysterical, really. We're fighting the Drug War and running a multi-billion business in those very same meds, but with a doctor and a prescription pad. Don't give me the chronic pain crap. I know the ones who are on it for fused discs and such. I know it has a legitimate use, but the hypocrisy of the argument on drugs we have is just ridiculous.

We can't have an honest discussion about anything in this country. Ahhhh... F*ck it. I'm just going to put my 401(k) on Zohydro and let it ride!

Heroine is opiate based. All effective prescription painkillers are opiate based like morphine, Vicodin, oxy, etc.

Err, no. Look up synthetic opiates, like fentanyl. They aren't based on the natural opiate structure at all.


All the drugs I've mentioned are opiate based including the semi-synthetic opiates. What you are talking about is a fully synthetic drug which is not nearly as effective as opiate based painkillers. They are a different class. Anyways, I'm not sure how we got on this topic.

I thought you were replying to my comment saying "there's a reason we invaded Afghanistan...." The US consumes 80% of the world's opiate supply which includes all opiate based painkillers and illegal opiate based drugs. That doesn't count synthetic pills which are in their own class, and widely known to be not as effective in most patients.
 
2012-05-10 08:10:31 AM

AbbeySomeone: Rasraf Mekerk: This is why I don't prescribe narcotic pain meds. If your pain is that bad then you need to see a pain specialist.

/doctor

Physicians like you are the reason so many of us see alternative practitioners, and get better.


Because he's responsible and doesn't simply hand out scripts like he was working the counter at McDonalds?

He's not the kind of doctor that is the problem.
 
2012-05-10 08:12:30 AM

untaken_name: Marine1: untaken_name: Marine1: Here's why we went to Afghanistan: Al Qaeda attacks us. Al Qaeda is led by Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden is in Afghanistan along with his posse, being tolerated by the Taliban government. Ta-da.

That's the same reason we attacked Pakistan, right?

Well, we have been launching drone attacks into Pakistan. We also had a raid that killed Bin Laden... when he was in Pakistan.

Yeah, that's kind of my point, Sparky.

Why didn't we invade Pakistan like we did Afghanistan, given that (as YOU mentioned) we eventually found him there? Why did we invade Afghanistan when a surgical strike could have accomplished the goal you said was our goal in Afghanistan (as evidenced by the Pakistan raid)?

In other words, you're saying that we needed to start a 10-year undeclared war to kill Bin Laden, but we didn't kill him in that country, and we didn't invade the country we DID kill him in, and this still somehow makes perfect sense to you?


I was a little confused too, and I'm agreeing with you.
 
2012-05-10 08:19:10 AM
Just because I get allergy season 9 months out of the year resulting in migraines instead of stuffy noses like normal people...
 
2012-05-10 08:20:22 AM

NewportBarGuy: Because doctors are weak sacks of sh*t, unable to either follow protocol in prescribing meds, or following up to see if the course is even working.

jjwars1: There's a reason we invaded Afghanistan, the worlds #1 producer of opiates used in painkillers

Bzzzzt! Wrong... Pharmaceutical heroin is much cheaper and cleaner.

I can't wait to see the sales numbers for Zohydro. We've basically legalized heroin. Let's stop f*cking around here and admit that we have legalized hardcore drugs and pretend it's legal by using pharmacology. Yet, marijuana is still illegal and will kill all the children.

I'd venture to bet that many of the same people who are vehemently anti-pot are consistently 4-7 days early on their refill for Oxy or vicodin. F*cking hypocritical assholes.

It's hysterical, really. We're fighting the Drug War and running a multi-billion business in those very same meds, but with a doctor and a prescription pad. Don't give me the chronic pain crap. I know the ones who are on it for fused discs and such. I know it has a legitimate use, but the hypocrisy of the argument on drugs we have is just ridiculous.

We can't have an honest discussion about anything in this country. Ahhhh... F*ck it. I'm just going to put my 401(k) on Zohydro and let it ride!


Heroine used to be legal. It's actually a brand name from Bayer that they lost the rights to (think Aspirin). It stands for Heroic Pain Reliever I think .
 
2012-05-10 08:36:55 AM

AbbeySomeone: Physicians like you are the reason so many of us see alternative practitioners, and get better.


I have no idea what your problem is, so I won't speculate wildly on your medication habits, but I will point out that your comment at least makes it sound like you're a doctor-shopping addict and one of the reasons that people with legitimate, chronic pain have a harder time getting medicine than they should. Whether that's because that's the case or because you simply chose your words poorly, I don't know.

Pain isn't a medical problem, it's a symptom of one. Unless it's coming from an untreatable problem, you shouldn't be constantly taking medicine. Ever. For anything. And any doctor that would just prescribe you pills constantly without even offering alternative treatment or management options is not a good doctor.

/ also, we don't need to be popping 4 farking pills everytime we get a mild headache
// I'm looking at you guy across the hall from me....
/// guy goes through a bottle of Tylenol a week
 
2012-05-10 08:39:43 AM

dotSylvia: I've got a migraine that isn't responding to pansy UK painkillers. I would currently sell my soul for something stronger.


Pain killers really don't help much if the anti-migraine meds aren't working. They just end up sedating you.
 
2012-05-10 08:40:43 AM
Why do people get so uptight and moralistic at the thought of someone else getting jollies off a pill?
 
2012-05-10 08:43:07 AM

nekom: 5 posts and no Limbaugh reference? I am disappoint.


Read harder
 
2012-05-10 08:43:56 AM

bidness: Why do people get so uptight and moralistic at the thought of someone else getting jollies off a pill?


Because, Jesus, or something.
 
2012-05-10 08:44:46 AM

bidness: Why do people get so uptight and moralistic at the thought of someone else getting jollies off a pill?


Because I have to work with them? Drive with them? Pay taxes to help treat them when they get out of control or cause themselves liver or renal failure?

Why do druggies think that their actions have no consequences for anybody but themselves? When you live in a society, your actions need to be balanced against the impact they have on that society and society has every right to comment on those actions when they could have a negative impact.
 
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