Mock26: wedding vegetables: Bath salts can get you high? I thought they were just something to fill out gift sets for ladies you don't really know but for some reason are compelled to buy a gift for.

No, they cannot not. But, to get around bans on selling synthetic drugs that can be used to get high they are sometimes labeled as bath salts.

Ah, thanks. I'm out of the loop on what kids are getting gorked on these days.

Digitalstrange: Mock26: wedding vegetables: Bath salts can get you high? I thought they were just something to fill out gift sets for ladies you don't really know but for some reason are compelled to buy a gift for.

No, they cannot not. But, to get around bans on selling synthetic drugs that can be used to get high they are sometimes labeled as bath salts.

Laugh if you want but I was a little confused too..

I was not laughing. I was being helpful.

ows: and its owner, John B. O'Keefe of Frackville, Schuylkill County.

frackville? SCHUYKILL??

Yeah, in Pennsylvania. Not that far from Centralia (You know, road-melting, town-abandoning, underground coal fire Centralia).

LavenderWolf: LavenderWolf: SDRR: LavenderWolf: untaken_name: LavenderWolf: untaken_name: goatleggedfellow: If you legalize it and label it properly, the guy would have no case.

Oh, the wonders of the black market drug formulations.

Considering that it's already labeled "Not for human consumption", he shouldn't have a case now. If you ask me, it's only because the US has about 3/4 of the world's lawyers that this is even going anywhere to start with.

Putting a sticker on a jug of gasoline saying "This product is a bath salt" doesn't make it a bath salt.

Even when used as drugs, you aren't supposed to ingest the "bath salts", as a poster above described. Deliberate misuse of a product isn't the fault of the person who is deliberately misusing it? What? It said "not for human consumption" right on the goddamn label. If the employee specifically told the customer to ignore the label and consume the product, MAYBE you'd have a point. But that isn't what happened.

These products are not intended to be used as bath salts, despite the warnings. Just because people are stupid doesn't mean we should allow people to prey on them freely. The store owners know perfectly well what the products are actually for, generally would know of the dangers of consuming them, know the products are falsely labelled, and know that the purchasers will consume them as drugs, and not use them as "bath salts."

They are intended to be used as "legal" drugs. They are intended to be snorted, smoked, or ingested in other ways as drugs. Placing a label saying otherwise doesn't make it so. Developing a code under which you covertly refer to drugs being sold doesn't magically make it not drugs. Even if you make it similar to another product.

If someone is stupid enough to snort shiat labeled bath salts and has not fit for human consumption right on the label, I say more power to 'em.

Darwin FTW!

Would you like the government to come wipe your ass for you too?

If you think that should be official policy of ...

Right, because some idiot ingesting something clearly marked "do not ingest" is exactly the same as shooting people with a sniper rifle to take their shiat.

Did you do some bath salts recently by any chance? You should read labels better.

So now we can legally assume what someone or some company has intended? When did we become such incredible prognosticators?

I would assume the same thing given the circumstances of this case, but the law doesn't work that way. We can't make assumptions about someone's intentions, we have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Where is personal responsibility? The stuff is legal, it has a warning label, and even if owner did assume he was going to ingest it that doesn't make him responsible. This is so farking stupid.

A Terrible Human: LavenderWolf: Do you actually not go to convenience stores, ever? Or do you live in such an upper-class area that you've never been to a convenience store around poor drug users?

Lol most of the poor drug users I know don't even farking bother with bath salts,synthetic cannabis or research chemicals because they cost MORE than the real shiat.

For example,before the ban in my county,I could buy 1 gram of synthetic cannabis for $16-25 a gram or I could buy real pot for $5 a gram. At those prices I'll just stick with the real shiat.

Most of these type of drugs are being used by high school kids, because in their mind since they are legal they aren't doing anything wrong, and people who get tested regularly for illegal drugs.

AbbeySomeone: Lol. Somebody stole a big packet of those seeds off my porch which pissed me off. I guess if one of the neighbor kids ends up in the psych ward we'll know who did it,
What is this bath salt stuff made out of anyhow? It it like meth?


It won't be funny when they ask that kid where he got them from and he tells them off your porch, then you end up getting sued for negligence by his parents. Seriously.

Yay! A Schuylkill County tag! Frackville, the place off 81 with the mall and the prison!
Nirvana's Closet is a head shop. Hell, I used to be able to buy weed there. Store owner knew exactly what this guy was going to be doing with what he bought. I don't think he should be sued, but the only reason he stocked the stuff was because people get high off it.

/coal region represent, yo.

Rincewind53: Yeah... he's going to win. U.C.C. says that you can be liable for selling things that are inherently dangerous, even if you warn people. "Bath salts" are drugs designed for ingestion, no matter how they're labeled, and the store owners knew that.

The UCC says that the seller must make warnings accountable for "foreseeable misuse" and the law also says that criminal activity is by definition never foreseeable, except when talking about guns or explosives. Since there is a federal statute making it a crime to misuse over the counter substances to get high, the buyer does not have a claim here.

ongbok: Most of these type of drugs are being used by high school kids, because in their mind since they are legal they aren't doing anything wrong, and people who get tested regularly for illegal drugs.

I had to show my id before I could buy the synthetics I got before the ban and there was a big ass sign saying you must be 18 to buy it. shiat I have to tell the clerk my birth date at most places before I can buy cough syrup.

He knew what he was doing, I have no sympathy. I get that legal incense stuff, and if something bad happens, I will blame myself. As for the store, depends on what else they sell. If a store sells bongs, pipes, "system cleaner", screens, scales, baggies... and bath salts, they know 100% for a fact those aren't actual bath salts. You may not be able to 100% prove that, since we can't scan the thoughts of the sellers, but it's practically air-tight conjecture, and would be enough to convince a jury.

That being said, I love that we live in the "most free" country in the world, where nature itself is illegal.

blipponaut: So now we can legally assume what someone or some company has intended? When did we become such incredible prognosticators?

I would assume the same thing given the circumstances of this case, but the law doesn't work that way. We can't make assumptions about someone's intentions, we have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Where is personal responsibility? The stuff is legal, it has a warning label, and even if owner did assume he was going to ingest it that doesn't make him responsible. This is so farking stupid.

When we talk about "personal reponsibility" in this country, we only mean it's you're fault if you're poor or losing in life. Everything else, you can't be trusted to make your own decisions, and we need to do it for you and regulate your life, and somehow do it with a smaller government at that.

America! Where you can sue about any stupid ol' thing and get a news story about it, generating predictable outrage, and then when it gets summarily dismissed there is no interest and no follow-up.

kim jong-un: Take Q-tips, everyone KNOWS that you stick them in your ears, but the label clearly says do not do that. Should the makers of Q-tips be liable for eardrum damage?


if they were marketed as great for sticking in your ears, they probably would be.

kim jong-un: Take Q-tips, everyone KNOWS that you stick them in your ears, but the label clearly says do not do that. Should the makers of Q-tips be liable for eardrum damage?


My energy drink says not to have more than 2 in a 4 hour period. If I drink 3 of them in 4 hours, can I be arrested?

wedding vegetables: untaken_name: wedding vegetables: Bath salts can get you high? I thought they were just something to fill out gift sets for ladies you don't really know but for some reason are compelled to buy a gift for.

Why did you think there were so many Bed, Bath, and Beyonds in bad neighborhoods? OPEN YOUR EYES, MAN.

I guess I thought the "beyond" part was kitchen gadgets. I see now I was mistaken.

Nah. They added 'Beyond' to the name because, way in the back, just past the 'Clearance' section, each store contains a portal to Hell.

stonicus: He knew what he was doing, I have no sympathy. I get that legal incense stuff, and if something bad happens, I will blame myself. As for the store, depends on what else they sell. If a store sells bongs, pipes, "system cleaner", screens, scales, baggies... and bath salts, they know 100% for a fact those aren't actual bath salts. You may not be able to 100% prove that, since we can't scan the thoughts of the sellers, but it's practically air-tight conjecture, and would be enough to convince a jury.

That being said, I love that we live in the "most free" country in the world, where nature itself is illegal.

That is exactly what this store sells along with blacklight posters, Phish t-shirts, etc. I used to frequent one of their stores.

This Is Better:

Tellingthem: hmm a store selling something that can be abused by people to get high? Never seen that before...
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Like I said, I've been to this shop several times and it's a head shop. They know exactly what's going to be done with the bath salts, just like they know people aren't going to put tobacco in a 3 foot tall glass bong with the Jerry Garcia head base they buy there and they know that people aren't going to buy "cleanser" to rid their body of traceable drugs just for the hell of it. I don't think they should be sued or held liable, but their sole reason for selling it is for people to get high, even if they never state that.

By the way, if anyone's interested, I'd be willing to sell ingredients for jenkem. I produce them myself and they're 100% organic and gauranteed fresh. Just don't use them to make jenkem because that's illegal and can be harmful.

I would like to propose the following get-rich scheme for farkers if that guy's lawsuit becomes applicable and pays off...

Every article we know is stupid, boring and a waste of time, but we read it anyhow and find out it's a waste of time. I say we sue the whichever website (readingeagle.com) that hosts articles such as these. We read it because we're addicted to fark, it might be labeled with an asinine tag, but we read it anyhow. Media outlets should already known it was wasting our time, so by that guy's logic this lawsuit should be applicable.

ajt167: Tellingthem: hmm a store selling something that can be abused by people to get high? Never seen that before...
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Like I said, I've been to this shop several times and it's a head shop. They know exactly what's going to be done with the bath salts, just like they know people aren't going to put tobacco in a 3 foot tall glass bong with the Jerry Garcia head base they buy there and they know that people aren't going to buy "cleanser" to rid their body of traceable drugs just for the hell of it. I don't think they should be sued or held liable, but their sole reason for selling it is for people to get high, even if they never state that.

Yeah, but that's the point. It's legal, with a legal use, and if they don't ever, anywhere, tell you it's okay to use it illegally, then you can't hold them accountable, because that's how the law works. We don't allow people to just hold people legally accountable because, "COME ON YOU GUYS". If you want law to prevent people from labeling this stuff as bath salts, define bath salts legally. The only question to me is whether the FDA regulates products like Vicks Shower Soothers, which seem essentially the same as these with safer chemicals. If those are under FDA purview, these should be, too, but that still wouldn't make the store liable for off label usage.

He's only sueing for 50k?

Settle that shiat and keep on trucking. Drop in the bucket compared to how much they make off bath salts.

gbv23: This Is Better:
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I've always been interested in that but never tried it.

ongbok: Most of these type of drugs are being used by high school kids, because in their mind since they are legal they aren't doing anything wrong, and people who get tested regularly for illegal drugs.

I don't want my kids smoking pot. I would SO MUCH rather my kids smoke pot than mess with any of this fake shiat.

Mr Guy: ajt167: Tellingthem: hmm a store selling something that can be abused by people to get high? Never seen that before...
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Like I said, I've been to this shop several times and it's a head shop. They know exactly what's going to be done with the bath salts, just like they know people aren't going to put tobacco in a 3 foot tall glass bong with the Jerry Garcia head base they buy there and they know that people aren't going to buy "cleanser" to rid their body of traceable drugs just for the hell of it. I don't think they should be sued or held liable, but their sole reason for selling it is for people to get high, even if they never state that.

Yeah, but that's the point. It's legal, with a legal use, and if they don't ever, anywhere, tell you it's okay to use it illegally, then you can't hold them accountable, because that's how the law works. We don't allow people to just hold people legally accountable because, "COME ON YOU GUYS". If you want law to prevent people from labeling this stuff as bath salts, define bath salts legally. The only question to me is whether the FDA regulates products like Vicks Shower Soothers, which seem essentially the same as these with safer chemicals. If those are under FDA purview, these should be, too, but that still wouldn't make the store liable for off label usage.

Oh I agree with you 100%, I just don't think anyone can really claim that the store didn't know exactly what this guy was going to do. They most certainly knew, but shouldn't be held liable.

ajt167: Oh I agree with you 100%, I just don't think anyone can really claim that the store didn't know exactly what this guy was going to do. They most certainly knew, but shouldn't be held liable.

Yeah, but that's my point. I can know. You can know. However, you still need to prove I know, and you need to prove I know that you know. You can't just say everyone knows.

You know?

Nick Nostril: Coors ?

/DRTFA

High Fructose Corn Syrup?

Mr Guy: ajt167: Oh I agree with you 100%, I just don't think anyone can really claim that the store didn't know exactly what this guy was going to do. They most certainly knew, but shouldn't be held liable.

Yeah, but that's my point. I can know. You can know. However, you still need to prove I know, and you need to prove I know that you know. You can't just say everyone knows.

You know?

I...think...so?
Here's how I feel - a place can sell whatever they like for whatever reason. If a person decides to buy it (assuming all warnings are known to the customer), then if they harm themselves with the product, it's on them, not the seller. If they're harming other people, then it could fall on the seller, like a guy in a gun shop stating he's buying the gun to kill a bunch of people.

He would sue if they DIDN'T sell it to them claiming it was none of their business what he was doing with a product he bought legally. Just shoot any lawyer willing to represent him. It will be a good start.

CheekyMonkey: Nah. They added 'Beyond' to the name because, way in the back, just past the 'Clearance' section, each store contains a portal to Hell.

Coffee ejected forcefully out the nose!
Thankfully, reflexively turned head and saved keyboard.
Cyborg indeed!.
:-D

yeah. good luck with that, asshole.

The store should be sued, but the money should go to the GOVERNMENT, which can then use it to help pay for the addicted guy's medical bills. The moron himself shouldn't benefit in any way.

I don't understand those who smoke this poison when they are "out of the real stuff." That's a huge red flag that you have substance abuse issues. Your days of being a happy stoner are gone, because now you're just another addict. Do you drink aftershave when you run out of beer? You people make normal potheads look bad. Shame on you.

HectorSchwartz: I don't understand those who smoke this poison when they are "out of the real stuff." That's a huge red flag that you have substance abuse issues. Your days of being a happy stoner are gone, because now you're just another addict. Do you drink aftershave when you run out of beer? You people make normal potheads look bad. Shame on you.

I'm pretty sure the fact that it is "legal" and doesnt show up on drug tests are the main reasons people use the stuff over traditional pot.

I've never done that bathsalt crap. But I did get messed up for weeks off of some Chinese crap herbal energy pills. Mood was all messed up, and I had weird twitches for a while even after it wore off. It worked though I tell ya what. Kept you awake like coke but not high. I forget what was in them, I actually forget a lot of stuff now days, so maybe it did some minor brain damage. Watch out for those supplements. Not that FDA approved stuff can't fark you up too. But at least you have someone to sue, and likely wouldn't be the only one.

Mad Mark: Interesting stories in the link. I sure don't have any urge to try this stuff after i've read about it. We had a guy here a couple a years ago die in police custody after using it. The found him naked walking around a park babbling to himself. It took several cops to subdue him. It sounded like a PCP deal to me. The autopsy revealed he burned up - his body overheated. Sounds like fun.

Hyperthermia. Good times. Just like hypothermia. Lack of the body's ability to regulate temperature. You need to be taking some serious amounts of central nervous system depressants to shut down homeostasis absent other causes like dehydration or exposure. And to maintain consciousness while doing that many drugs is the mark of some serious tolerance and addiction. There's a reason that PCP, aka horse, was outlawed in even veterinary medicine.

HectorSchwartz: I don't understand those who smoke this poison when they are "out of the real stuff." That's a huge red flag that you have substance abuse issues. Your days of being a happy stoner are gone, because now you're just another addict. Do you drink aftershave when you run out of beer? You people make normal potheads look bad. Shame on you.

Which poison were you referring to?

"Bath Salts" seem to be some serious nasty. "Incense" on the other hand, seems to work pretty well the same as the real stuff, so long as you keep the quantities low. I actually can't get "the real stuff" any more, so a gram of "incense" once a year is a treat.

Hmm so why dont drug dealers get sued more often ?

you know what? These convenience stores should be held accountable for this shiat. I'm sick of them selling this crap and pretending to be just "providing what the public wants" it's a copout, like those flower tubes they used to sell for people to make crack pipes out of. The store guys are just as complicit, really. I don't blame the idiot, half the blame goes to the crack head store. I think us citizens ought to seriously get back to what we were like in the old days and tar and feather these store owners for turning our neighborhoods into magnets for bums and weirdos.

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