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2012-05-10 09:37:00 AM

wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...


I've seen both Avengers and Cabin in the Woods. I have to say, in both instances, I couldn't find the Xander or Willow characters for once. And, although one of the characters ends up dying (like in every Whedon story ever), the death isn't entirely meaningless & Fury uses it to motivate the team (or manipulate them, depending on how you look at it).
 
2012-05-10 09:42:14 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Stop bringing up Buffy the Vampire Slayer as watchable.


aka "Stop liking stuff that I don't like."
 
2012-05-10 09:44:04 AM

ununcle: At this point he can say whatever the fark he wants


One could almost say the sky's the limit, and you can't take that away form him.
 
2012-05-10 09:50:18 AM

FeedTheCollapse: SockMonkeyHolocaust: The surprise twist in both the Avengers and Cabin in the Woods was that they were actually watchable to people other than Whedon apologists.

I want to see both of these movies, but was hesitant solely on the Whedon connection. It's nice to see the praise isn't restricted solely to his fanboys.


I didn't even know Cabin in the Woods was a Whedon movie until I saw the credits in the beginning. I went to see it because it had a 90% on Rottentomatoes. And it was every bit as good as the critics said it would be. Most fun horror movie ever.

I was cautiously optimistic about Avengers only because so much could go wrong. You've got 7 or 8 main cast members and still need a bunch of CGI. But he pulled it off. Avengers is by far the best comic book movie so far. Blows the doors off The Dark Knight and I love Nolan. But most importantly, it's a good movie. It's not a mindless popcorn flick--it's actually a well-told story. I'm not saying it's Schindler's List or Citizen Kane, but it's not Transformers or Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull.
 
2012-05-10 10:03:00 AM

Carth: Seth'n'Spectrum: Carth: Titan AE.

Titan AE was no low point. I had no idea he was involved in that, but I loved that film.

It was horribly marketed and enjoyable but commercially a huge failure. At least it convinced Fox to stop making animated films.


www.picgifs.com

What?
 
2012-05-10 10:08:55 AM

chewielouie: Carth: Seth'n'Spectrum: Carth: Titan AE.

Titan AE was no low point. I had no idea he was involved in that, but I loved that film.

It was horribly marketed and enjoyable but commercially a huge failure. At least it convinced Fox to stop making animated films.

[www.picgifs.com image 288x288]

What?


They revived Fox Animation Studios in 2009. After Titan AE they shut it down for nearly a decade.
 
2012-05-10 10:09:36 AM

bill4935: When talking about superhero movies that are more than eye candy, he mentions James Gunn, direction of "The Specials" but that movie was kinda slow and indie and I couldn't really get into it after 1/2 an hour.

Anyone seen it? Reasons I should give it another go?



/Wasp is such a perfect fit for Whedon, she starts out a sidekick who later matures and becomes the leader who tells Cap what to do - and her main power is becoming more insignificant and helpless, but she has a secret kickass power that is literally the exact opposite. He showed a lot of restraint when he decided not to shoehorn her in somewhere.


He'd also need to have added Ant Man so there'd be someone to keep her in line and tell her when to shut her whore mouth and make Thor a sandwich.
 
2012-05-10 10:12:42 AM

Carth: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Carth: SockMonkeyHolocaust: The surprise twist in both the Avengers and Cabin in the Woods was that they were actually watchable to people other than Whedon apologists.

Because Toy Story, Speed, Roseanne and Buffy were such niche movies and shows?

OK, so he's palatable when he has a team of other writers reining him in... oh wait, he has a slew of other movies he made that are insufferable. Really? FIVE writers on Toy Story and you want to credit him with anything on it? That's Kevin Smithian levels of terrible.

Stop bringing up Buffy the Vampire Slayer as watchable. It was dumb and you people who thought it was good were 10 years old when it was on. It's literally your generation's Twin Peaks without a tenth of the cultural impact (I apologize if you are older and just have the mentality of a 10 year old and are easily entertained).

Buffy won a few and was nominated for a bunch of Emmys. If critical acclaim, awards, and ratings don't make the show watchable what other objective metric is there?

In Toy Story Joss is credited with the script rewrite that turned it into a cohesive film after it had been mangled by two other writers. A slew of other movies? Which ones do you think were so terrible to earn your scorn? The low points of his career look like Alien Resurrection and Titan AE.




Ah, what's the point. Ignore him. He clearly has no sense, no taste, and is being a bit of a mewling quim. If his opinion of Joss's work is so low, why the fark would I care what that guy thinks? You know he's awesome, I know he's awesome. Let us do the dance of joy.
 
2012-05-10 10:14:59 AM

Old enough to know better: Lets see, I've seen all of Firefly, none of Buffy, and maybe a a half dozen episodes of Angel. Don't know what all these "Whedonism's" are that people biatch about, but I have no problem with them at all. All I know is he tells a damn fine storyteller.


When you watch more of his work you start to notice that he falls back onto familiar themes, occasionally to the point where it can get in the way of the story he is trying to tell. As someone who is a fan of a lot of his work, and thinks he tells a damn good story sometimes, I don't care for some of the Whedonisms because it seems kind of lazy and I think he's can do better than just to fall back into comfortable grooves.

The Avengers was awesome and he did a great job balancing a large cast of characters.
 
2012-05-10 10:45:58 AM
i697.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-10 10:51:45 AM

wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...


No, he left the Wasp out.

/Still a bit irked about that.
 
2012-05-10 10:53:26 AM
Wow, a lot of Whedon hate on here.

He must be very successful then.
 
2012-05-10 10:55:05 AM

bill4935:

/Wasp is such a perfect fit for Whedon, she starts out a sidekick who later matures and becomes the leader who tells Cap what to do - and her main power is becoming more insignificant and helpless, but she has a secret kickass power that is literally the exact opposite. He showed a lot of restraint when he decided not to shoehorn her in somewhere.


Shoehorn, schmo-horn, she was one of the founding members.
 
2012-05-10 10:57:16 AM
I think more people should use "then" when they mean "than". Seriously.
 
2012-05-10 10:58:37 AM

wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...


Yes.
m.cdn.blog.hu
 
2012-05-10 11:01:23 AM
Coulson either: dead, alive, or memory patterns have been copied and he'll return as Vision
 
2012-05-10 11:06:05 AM

LucklessWonder: [i697.photobucket.com image 100x100]


Is that the dance of joy or the other one?
 
2012-05-10 11:09:48 AM

texdent: Coulson either: dead, alive, or memory patterns have been copied and he'll return as Vision


Maybe he'll return as a hologram with an H on his forehead.
 
2012-05-10 11:09:49 AM

texdent: Coulson either: dead, alive, or memory patterns have been copied and he'll return as Vision


SPOILERS:



I've become more convinced that he's either not dead or is going to get upgrades/become Vision. Whedon admitted in an interview that it was not his, but Marvel's plan to kill Coulson in the Avengers in order to raise the stakes. I find it unlikely that they would remove one of their more popular characters from future movies though, since they won't even do that in their comicbooks. I don't think we actually saw him die onscreen either, and in comicbook properties, even if you see them die, they probably aren't dead. I'm guessing they've got a real dilemma with Coulson because he became very popular with fans, and may be popular enough to have his own movie even, but how do you do that with someone who doesn't actually have superpowers? They have Black Widow for that anyway. I'm interested to see where they go with it. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the upgraded version of him in the post-credit sequence of Iron Man 3. Hell, the Extremis storyline that they are adapting could even be used to give him some level of powers, and it would be interesting to see how he handles super powers given how laid back he is, and how much he has to put up with out of prima donnas like Thor and Stark.
 
2012-05-10 11:17:23 AM

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: texdent: Coulson either: dead, alive, or memory patterns have been copied and he'll return as Vision

SPOILERS:



I've become more convinced that he's either not dead or is going to get upgrades/become Vision. Whedon admitted in an interview that it was not his, but Marvel's plan to kill Coulson in the Avengers in order to raise the stakes. I find it unlikely that they would remove one of their more popular characters from future movies though, since they won't even do that in their comicbooks. I don't think we actually saw him die onscreen either, and in comicbook properties, even if you see them die, they probably aren't dead. I'm guessing they've got a real dilemma with Coulson because he became very popular with fans, and may be popular enough to have his own movie even, but how do you do that with someone who doesn't actually have superpowers? They have Black Widow for that anyway. I'm interested to see where they go with it. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the upgraded version of him in the post-credit sequence of Iron Man 3. Hell, the Extremis storyline that they are adapting could even be used to give him some level of powers, and it would be interesting to see how he handles super powers given how laid back he is, and how much he has to put up with out of prima donnas like Thor and Stark.


How do you do Vision without Wonder Man, though? I know they're making an Ant Man movie and creating the Vision (and Ultron) would be a good plot, but Marvel likes to stick with their continuity.

However, wasn't the original Human Torch on display in Iron Man 2? So they at least already have the android body somewhere.
 
2012-05-10 11:18:45 AM

someonelse: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Stop bringing up Buffy the Vampire Slayer as watchable.

aka "Stop liking stuff that I don't like."


How about stop posting about stuff you hate?

/farking trolls.
 
2012-05-10 11:20:19 AM

brigid_fitch: Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: texdent: Coulson either: dead, alive, or memory patterns have been copied and he'll return as Vision

SPOILERS:



I've become more convinced that he's either not dead or is going to get upgrades/become Vision. Whedon admitted in an interview that it was not his, but Marvel's plan to kill Coulson in the Avengers in order to raise the stakes. I find it unlikely that they would remove one of their more popular characters from future movies though, since they won't even do that in their comicbooks. I don't think we actually saw him die onscreen either, and in comicbook properties, even if you see them die, they probably aren't dead. I'm guessing they've got a real dilemma with Coulson because he became very popular with fans, and may be popular enough to have his own movie even, but how do you do that with someone who doesn't actually have superpowers? They have Black Widow for that anyway. I'm interested to see where they go with it. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the upgraded version of him in the post-credit sequence of Iron Man 3. Hell, the Extremis storyline that they are adapting could even be used to give him some level of powers, and it would be interesting to see how he handles super powers given how laid back he is, and how much he has to put up with out of prima donnas like Thor and Stark.

How do you do Vision without Wonder Man, though? I know they're making an Ant Man movie and creating the Vision (and Ultron) would be a good plot, but Marvel likes to stick with their continuity.

However, wasn't the original Human Torch on display in Iron Man 2? So they at least already have the android body somewhere.


Yes and no. He was on display, but in Captain America at the Stark Expo
 
2012-05-10 11:20:41 AM

TheManofPA: LucklessWonder: [i697.photobucket.com image 100x100]

Is that the dance of joy or the other one?


GIS claims it's the dance of joy, but it's been so long since I watched Angel, I can't speak to the accuracy.
 
2012-05-10 11:27:55 AM

brigid_fitch: Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: texdent: Coulson either: dead, alive, or memory patterns have been copied and he'll return as Vision

SPOILERS:



I've become more convinced that he's either not dead or is going to get upgrades/become Vision. Whedon admitted in an interview that it was not his, but Marvel's plan to kill Coulson in the Avengers in order to raise the stakes. I find it unlikely that they would remove one of their more popular characters from future movies though, since they won't even do that in their comicbooks. I don't think we actually saw him die onscreen either, and in comicbook properties, even if you see them die, they probably aren't dead. I'm guessing they've got a real dilemma with Coulson because he became very popular with fans, and may be popular enough to have his own movie even, but how do you do that with someone who doesn't actually have superpowers? They have Black Widow for that anyway. I'm interested to see where they go with it. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the upgraded version of him in the post-credit sequence of Iron Man 3. Hell, the Extremis storyline that they are adapting could even be used to give him some level of powers, and it would be interesting to see how he handles super powers given how laid back he is, and how much he has to put up with out of prima donnas like Thor and Stark.

How do you do Vision without Wonder Man, though? I know they're making an Ant Man movie and creating the Vision (and Ultron) would be a good plot, but Marvel likes to stick with their continuity.

However, wasn't the original Human Torch on display in Iron Man 2? So they at least already have the android body somewhere.


I guess if they do it they'll have to start showing some of the other, as yet unseen, Avenger members. I have no idea how close to continuity they'll stay with all of this. The whole background for Ultron/Vision/Human Torch/Wonder Man etc. makes my head hurt. I've seen Vision/Coulson thrown around online recently, and it seems like the best fit they have for existing team members that we know about. I guess they could just give him sort of new powers and code name no one has ever seen and make an entire new superhero from scratch. I think I prefer that to everything else since it is been quite awhile since Marvel has made an entire new hero that could be successful.

I would think that Ultron is going to have to appear sooner or later since he is a major Avengers villain, and they'll have to have someone to fight after Thanos.
 
2012-05-10 11:28:05 AM
AV club comments are worse than youtube comments.
 
2012-05-10 11:46:08 AM
I guess if they do it they'll have to start showing some of the other, as yet unseen, Avenger members. I have no idea how close to continuity they'll stay with all of this. The whole background for Ultron/Vision/Human Torch/Wonder Man etc. makes my head hurt. I've seen Vision/Coulson thrown around online recently, and it seems like the best fit they have for existing team members that we know about. I guess they could just give him sort of new powers and code name no one has ever seen and make an entire new superhero from scratch. I think I prefer that to everything else since it is been quite awhile since Marvel has made an entire new hero that could be successful.

I would think that Ultron is going to have to appear sooner or later since he is a major Avengers villain, and they'll have to have someone to fight after Thanos.


I think they can do Vision with only making some nods to the comics. Comics fans are going to realize that Marvel is not really a comics company anymore. It's an IP content farm. Joss Whedon, Bryan Singer and Chris Nolan figured it out. If you make the right nods to the comics without actually adapting any of them, you please enough people, and the only pissed off folks are the increasingly insignificant and shrinking body of comics fanboys.
 
2012-05-10 12:16:55 PM

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: I would think that Ultron is going to have to appear sooner or later since he is a major Avengers villain, and they'll have to have someone to fight after Thanos.


How about each other? Avengers 3: Civil War.
 
2012-05-10 12:18:40 PM
Just have it segway into Marvel Zombies.
 
2012-05-10 12:24:51 PM

The Martian Manhandler: wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...

Yes.
[m.cdn.blog.hu image 450x266]


Yeah, but does he look good in a dress?
 
2012-05-10 12:31:32 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Carth: SockMonkeyHolocaust: The surprise twist in both the Avengers and Cabin in the Woods was that they were actually watchable to people other than Whedon apologists.

Because Toy Story, Speed, Roseanne and Buffy were such niche movies and shows?

OK, so he's palatable when he has a team of other writers reining him in... oh wait, he has a slew of other movies he made that are insufferable. Really? FIVE writers on Toy Story and you want to credit him with anything on it? That's Kevin Smithian levels of terrible.

Stop bringing up Buffy the Vampire Slayer as watchable. It was dumb and you people who thought it was good were 10 years old when it was on. It's literally your generation's Twin Peaks without a tenth of the cultural impact (I apologize if you are older and just have the mentality of a 10 year old and are easily entertained).


I find it interesting you referenced Twin Peaks because to me, Joss is kinda like Chris Carter. Rabid fans divided on everything.
 
2012-05-10 12:39:38 PM

Subliterati: Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: I would think that Ultron is going to have to appear sooner or later since he is a major Avengers villain, and they'll have to have someone to fight after Thanos.

How about each other? Avengers 3: Civil War.


Well, I suppose the only place to go after Thanos would be down...
 
2012-05-10 12:53:52 PM
Gee subby, how could anyone let the highest grossing opening weekend and non-stop rave reviews ever go to their head? How undeserved is that ego of his?
 
2012-05-10 01:21:50 PM

BattleFrenchie28: Subliterati: Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: I would think that Ultron is going to have to appear sooner or later since he is a major Avengers villain, and they'll have to have someone to fight after Thanos.

How about each other? Avengers 3: Civil War.

Well, I suppose the only place to go after Thanos would be down...


The only way to stop Thanos is to bring in Squirrel girl

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2012-05-10 01:22:36 PM

Jim_Callahan: wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...

Whedon did a very good job at refraining from using his usual hackneyed tricks to try to give the material fake depth or self-awareness with the avengers. No insertion of his sexual fetishes, no reliance on meta-dialogue, no random character stating obvious plot points as if they're supposed to be some big reveal, and almost no inappropriate character-violating lines just for the sake of sarcasm ("glowstick of destiny" probably crossed the line, the rest was good).


SPOILER WARNING

Actually, he had one of those when Agent Coulson died. His last words were that someone needed to die to make it seem like a big enough threat (to that extent, I can't remember exactly.) It was meta, but it worked because Coulson would say something like that in his final moments. He was always dedicated to the job.
 
2012-05-10 01:32:41 PM
Oh no! More crappy sci-fi musicals.
 
2012-05-10 01:53:57 PM

Lackofname: Lackofname: There's not a single thing Whedon has done that I don't adore. Call me whatever. I'mma go on being happy and enjoy stuff.

Well ok I take that back, some of Angel dragged, and some of the pre-Buffy stuff was eh but.


Agreed and the post FOX Buffy wasn't as good as FOX though some of my favorite single episodes are there.. Once More With Feeling being one of them.

The other thing I love about Joss is when people were biatching about Buffy's dialog being a crutch he went and wrote Hush..the only episode if I recall to get an Emmy nomination.
 
2012-05-10 02:35:49 PM

tartie_pants: Agreed and the post FOX Buffy wasn't as good as FOX though some of my favorite single episodes are there.. Once More With Feeling being one of them.


Buffy never aired on FOX.
 
2012-05-10 02:50:04 PM

Subliterati: Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: I would think that Ultron is going to have to appear sooner or later since he is a major Avengers villain, and they'll have to have someone to fight after Thanos.

How about each other? Avengers 3: Civil War.


or Secret Wars
 
2012-05-10 02:50:48 PM

germ78: Oh no! More crappy sci-fi musicals.


I chuckle every time.
 
2012-05-10 02:59:38 PM

Jim_Callahan: wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...

Whedon did a very good job at refraining from using his usual hackneyed tricks to try to give the material fake depth or self-awareness with the avengers. No insertion of his sexual fetishes, no reliance on meta-dialogue, no random character stating obvious plot points as if they're supposed to be some big reveal, and almost no inappropriate character-violating lines just for the sake of sarcasm ("glowstick of destiny" probably crossed the line, the rest was good).


I didn't think the "glowstick of destiny" was out of line for Tony Stark at all ("Clench up, Legolas", "Sorry you spent so much time as a Capsicle", "Point Break" - all pretty much the same smart-ass Stark wit). A better example of your point would be the Galaga joke (actually the end of that joke, not the Tony Stark line).
 
2012-05-10 03:01:09 PM

wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...


No, Kitty Pryde is not in this movie.
 
2012-05-10 03:15:02 PM

KiplingKat872: bill4935:

/Wasp is such a perfect fit for Whedon, she starts out a sidekick who later matures and becomes the leader who tells Cap what to do - and her main power is becoming more insignificant and helpless, but she has a secret kickass power that is literally the exact opposite. He showed a lot of restraint when he decided not to shoehorn her in somewhere.

Shoehorn, schmo-horn, she was one of the founding members.


And the most consistently active member in the team's history.
 
2012-05-10 03:18:05 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Jim_Callahan: wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...

Whedon did a very good job at refraining from using his usual hackneyed tricks to try to give the material fake depth or self-awareness with the avengers. No insertion of his sexual fetishes, no reliance on meta-dialogue, no random character stating obvious plot points as if they're supposed to be some big reveal, and almost no inappropriate character-violating lines just for the sake of sarcasm ("glowstick of destiny" probably crossed the line, the rest was good).

I didn't think the "glowstick of destiny" was out of line for Tony Stark at all ("Clench up, Legolas", "Sorry you spent so much time as a Capsicle", "Point Break" - all pretty much the same smart-ass Stark wit). A better example of your point would be the Galaga joke (actually the end of that joke, not the Tony Stark line).


Stark's lines may not fit that description, but I feel like Thor suddenly shifting gears from "He's still Asgardian and still my brother" to the "He's adopted" line when they're discussing getting information out of Loki definitely does. That reaction didn't seem to fit his character at all.
 
2012-05-10 03:19:25 PM

Neeek: KiplingKat872: bill4935:

/Wasp is such a perfect fit for Whedon, she starts out a sidekick who later matures and becomes the leader who tells Cap what to do - and her main power is becoming more insignificant and helpless, but she has a secret kickass power that is literally the exact opposite. He showed a lot of restraint when he decided not to shoehorn her in somewhere.

Shoehorn, schmo-horn, she was one of the founding members.

And the most consistently active member in the team's history.


I wouldn't be surprised if Wasp is introduced in the Ant Man movie.
 
2012-05-10 03:23:25 PM

soporific: SPOILER WARNING

Actually, he had one of those when Agent Coulson died. His last words were that someone needed to die to make it seem like a big enough threat (to that extent, I can't remember exactly.)


His last sentence was "They were always going to need something to". He died before finishing the line, which I imagine would have been "avenge".
 
2012-05-10 03:31:00 PM

brigid_fitch: You've got 7 or 8 main cast members and still need a bunch of CGI. But he pulled it off.


Whedon does ensemble very, very well. I would say it's one of his major strengths. And extra kudos goes to him because he managed to pull that off without being in control of casting.
 
2012-05-10 03:31:16 PM

HalEmmerich:
Stark's lines may not fit that description, but I feel like Thor suddenly shifting gears from "He's still Asgardian and still my brother" to the "He's adopted" line when they're discussing getting information out of Loki definitely does. That reaction didn't seem to fit his character at all.


That came right after "He killed 80 people in two days" though.

That took it from "He's a punk, but he's my brother" to "My brother is Ted Bundy and I probably aught to distance myself from that."
 
2012-05-10 03:31:22 PM

Neeek: soporific: SPOILER WARNING

Actually, he had one of those when Agent Coulson died. His last words were that someone needed to die to make it seem like a big enough threat (to that extent, I can't remember exactly.)

His last sentence was "They were always going to need something to". He died before finishing the line, which I imagine would have been "avenge".


He does in fact start saying 'avenge' before trailing off.
 
2012-05-10 03:34:46 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: PizzaJedi81: bill4935: he decided not to shoehorn her in somewhere.

Since she's a part of the team, it wouldn't be shoehorning. She COULD have been the audience perspective character.

Coulson was the audience perspective character and did a fine job.


So Whedon is telling the audience to drop dead? Nice.
 
2012-05-10 03:35:20 PM

Rent Party: HalEmmerich:
Stark's lines may not fit that description, but I feel like Thor suddenly shifting gears from "He's still Asgardian and still my brother" to the "He's adopted" line when they're discussing getting information out of Loki definitely does. That reaction didn't seem to fit his character at all.

That came right after "He killed 80 people in two days" though.

That took it from "He's a punk, but he's my brother" to "My brother is Ted Bundy and I probably aught to distance myself from that."


True enough, but I feel like something expressing grudging acceptance that he's gone off the deep end would be more fitting then the response that had him give, especially given Thor seems to make it pretty clear he doesn't care that he's not technically related, he still views him as his brother.
 
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