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(Onion AV Club)   Joss Whedon will not stop being Joss Whedon because The Avengers has gone to his head   (avclub.com) divider line 127
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2012-05-10 12:22:41 AM
Maybe he can afford to buy himself some hair now. Those Buffy residuals just aren't cutting it.
 
2012-05-10 01:59:25 AM
I did completely enjoyed the Avengers movie. Better than the Iron Man films, Thor Film, Hulk Film.

However, I am not a fan of his other works-due to his reliance on "Whedonism" And while they were toned down-they were still present in the Avengers.
 
2012-05-10 04:44:16 AM
The only thing that's img1.fark.net is subby.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2012-05-10 04:44:18 AM
Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...
 
2012-05-10 04:55:06 AM

wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...


Nope.
 
2012-05-10 04:59:26 AM

wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...


Whedon did a very good job at refraining from using his usual hackneyed tricks to try to give the material fake depth or self-awareness with the avengers. No insertion of his sexual fetishes, no reliance on meta-dialogue, no random character stating obvious plot points as if they're supposed to be some big reveal, and almost no inappropriate character-violating lines just for the sake of sarcasm ("glowstick of destiny" probably crossed the line, the rest was good).
 
2012-05-10 04:59:36 AM
So, if he's not going to stop being Joss Whedon, does this mean he's going to go back to directing shows that get canceled by Fox after a dozen or so episodes?
 
2012-05-10 05:00:42 AM
Lets see, I've seen all of Firefly, none of Buffy, and maybe a a half dozen episodes of Angel. Don't know what all these "Whedonism's" are that people biatch about, but I have no problem with them at all. All I know is he tells a damn fine storyteller.
 
2012-05-10 05:05:56 AM
After a weekend that saw The Avengers triumph mightily over its bitterest rival The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel

I'm not sure that the audience for a CGI-heavy superhero action movie were the same audience as for a film about a load of middle-aged British people discovering a new lease of life in rural India.

Avengers = me and my kids
Best Exotic Marigold Hotel=my mother
 
2012-05-10 05:09:31 AM

Old enough to know better: Lets see, I've seen all of Firefly, none of Buffy, and maybe a a half dozen episodes of Angel. Don't know what all these "Whedonism's" are that people biatch about, but I have no problem with them at all. All I know is he tells a damn fine storyteller.


Of all that he's done, the only one that I really like is FIREFLY, and that's
because his penchant for snarky, post modern self-aware dialog seems to fit
the milieu.

The rest of his work leaves me with the impression that he is a bit to wrapped
up in his own cleverness, though granted in a very pleasant way.
 
2012-05-10 05:22:23 AM

farkeruk: After a weekend that saw The Avengers triumph mightily over its bitterest rival The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel

I'm not sure that the audience for a CGI-heavy superhero action movie were the same audience as for a film about a load of middle-aged British people discovering a new lease of life in rural India.

Avengers = me and my kids
Best Exotic Marigold Hotel=my mother


You must be new here.
 
2012-05-10 05:32:17 AM

Old enough to know better: Lets see, I've seen all of Firefly, none of Buffy, and maybe a a half dozen episodes of Angel. Don't know what all these "Whedonism's" are that people biatch about, but I have no problem with them at all. All I know is he tells a damn fine storyteller.


...and he's one of the few who doesn't let "shipping" ruin a story. Usually, of course, this is by way of killing off someone, but still...
 
2012-05-10 05:42:19 AM

farkeruk: After a weekend that saw The Avengers triumph mightily over its bitterest rival The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel

I'm not sure that the audience for a CGI-heavy superhero action movie were the same audience as for a film about a load of middle-aged British people discovering a new lease of life in rural India.

Avengers = me and my kids
Best Exotic Marigold Hotel=my mother


images.starcraftmazter.net
 
2012-05-10 05:58:30 AM
...whom no one will probably call "Josh" anymore, unless it's deliberately to be a dick...

I thought that was the *only* reason he was called "Josh".
 
2012-05-10 07:01:11 AM

farkeruk: Best Exotic Marigold Hotel=my mother


I actually really want to see that, but I'm a huge fan of Dame Judi and Bill Nighy.
 
2012-05-10 07:06:25 AM

Jim_Callahan: wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...

Whedon did a very good job at refraining from using his usual hackneyed tricks to try to give the material fake depth or self-awareness with the avengers. No insertion of his sexual fetishes, no reliance on meta-dialogue, no random character stating obvious plot points as if they're supposed to be some big reveal, and almost no inappropriate character-violating lines just for the sake of sarcasm ("glowstick of destiny" probably crossed the line, the rest was good).


Those things you call "hackneyed tricks" others call "fun". And in the world without hipsters (far, far away from Fark) people actually enjoy and actively seek out fun.

/Proud as hell of Joss
//Whoodathunk a third-generation Hollywood writer would make something of himself in the business
 
2012-05-10 07:11:52 AM
At this point he can say whatever the fark he wants. Well,, he can't insult Trevon Martin but other then that!!!
 
2012-05-10 07:12:01 AM

wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...


Nope. There's no plot.
 
2012-05-10 07:14:00 AM

moothemagiccow: Nope. There's no plot.


We obviously watched two different movies.

Or you're being sarcastic.

I can't tell anymore.
 
2012-05-10 07:18:26 AM
When talking about superhero movies that are more than eye candy, he mentions James Gunn, direction of "The Specials" but that movie was kinda slow and indie and I couldn't really get into it after 1/2 an hour.

Anyone seen it? Reasons I should give it another go?



/Wasp is such a perfect fit for Whedon, she starts out a sidekick who later matures and becomes the leader who tells Cap what to do - and her main power is becoming more insignificant and helpless, but she has a secret kickass power that is literally the exact opposite. He showed a lot of restraint when he decided not to shoehorn her in somewhere.
 
2012-05-10 07:19:17 AM
I thought the best thing about the Avengers was Black Widow. The Hulk and Ironman was kind of meh. Loki was boring and Cap and Thor looked like gay pals. I feel especially cool sharing that.

/Just kidding. Best comic book movie ever.
/This movie rocked
 
2012-05-10 07:20:23 AM

ryarger: Jim_Callahan: wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...

Whedon did a very good job at refraining from using his usual hackneyed tricks to try to give the material fake depth or self-awareness with the avengers. No insertion of his sexual fetishes, no reliance on meta-dialogue, no random character stating obvious plot points as if they're supposed to be some big reveal, and almost no inappropriate character-violating lines just for the sake of sarcasm ("glowstick of destiny" probably crossed the line, the rest was good).

Those things you call "hackneyed tricks" others call "fun".


There's just not enough of these "others" to keep a show on the air anymore.

/buffy/angel full DVD boxsets owner
//watched and enjoyed all of Dollhouse
///aint watched Firefly yet
 
2012-05-10 07:20:43 AM

bill4935: he decided not to shoehorn her in somewhere.


Since she's a part of the team, it wouldn't be shoehorning. She COULD have been the audience perspective character.
 
2012-05-10 07:21:48 AM

rynthetyn: So, if he's not going to stop being Joss Whedon, does this mean he's going to go back to directing shows that get canceled by Fox after a dozen or so episodes?


I seriously doubt that.
 
2012-05-10 07:22:05 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: aint watched Firefly yet


Do it. Take ya less than a day.
 
2012-05-10 07:23:28 AM

PizzaJedi81: bill4935: he decided not to shoehorn her in somewhere.

Since she's a part of the team, it wouldn't be shoehorning. She COULD have been the audience perspective character.


The movie was full to the brim with characters for us non-comic book geeks. Let us digest this and then see how it goes.
 
2012-05-10 07:26:21 AM

ununcle: rynthetyn: So, if he's not going to stop being Joss Whedon, does this mean he's going to go back to directing shows that get canceled by Fox after a dozen or so episodes?

I seriously doubt that.


I don't.

Tv is tv. Movies are movies. One success does not correlate to another.

/it is known
 
2012-05-10 07:42:25 AM
And now..."Doctor Horrible... In Space."

Featuring Matt Smith as Doctor Who. And the cast of "The Expendables."

Budget: 200M.
 
2012-05-10 07:55:27 AM
The surprise twist in both the Avengers and Cabin in the Woods was that they were actually watchable to people other than Whedon apologists.
 
2012-05-10 08:03:55 AM
So subby links to an article reviewing an interview rather than the interview itself?
 
2012-05-10 08:04:56 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: The surprise twist in both the Avengers and Cabin in the Woods was that they were actually watchable to people other than Whedon apologists.


I want to see both of these movies, but was hesitant solely on the Whedon connection. It's nice to see the praise isn't restricted solely to his fanboys.
 
2012-05-10 08:06:34 AM

PizzaJedi81: farkeruk: Best Exotic Marigold Hotel=my mother

I actually really want to see that, but I'm a huge fan of Dame Judi and Bill Nighy.


The Science Guy is in it?
 
2012-05-10 08:08:47 AM

PizzaJedi81: bill4935: he decided not to shoehorn her in somewhere.

Since she's a part of the team, it wouldn't be shoehorning. She COULD have been the audience perspective character.


Coulson was the audience perspective character and did a fine job.
 
2012-05-10 08:09:14 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: The surprise twist in both the Avengers and Cabin in the Woods was that they were actually watchable to people other than Whedon apologists.


Because Toy Story, Speed, Roseanne and Buffy were such niche movies and shows?
 
2012-05-10 08:10:07 AM
There's not a single thing Whedon has done that I don't adore. Call me whatever. I'mma go on being happy and enjoy stuff.
 
2012-05-10 08:18:31 AM

Lackofname: There's not a single thing Whedon has done that I don't adore. Call me whatever. I'mma go on being happy and enjoy stuff.


Well ok I take that back, some of Angel dragged, and some of the pre-Buffy stuff was eh but.
 
2012-05-10 08:20:55 AM
Loved Avengers. Don't care for his other work. Don't care if he keeps on making all that other crap that makes his fans happy, just don't fack up Avengers 2.
 
2012-05-10 08:30:38 AM
He has a big forehead.
 
2012-05-10 08:40:59 AM

Carth: SockMonkeyHolocaust: The surprise twist in both the Avengers and Cabin in the Woods was that they were actually watchable to people other than Whedon apologists.

Because Toy Story, Speed, Roseanne and Buffy were such niche movies and shows?


OK, so he's palatable when he has a team of other writers reining him in... oh wait, he has a slew of other movies he made that are insufferable. Really? FIVE writers on Toy Story and you want to credit him with anything on it? That's Kevin Smithian levels of terrible.

Stop bringing up Buffy the Vampire Slayer as watchable. It was dumb and you people who thought it was good were 10 years old when it was on. It's literally your generation's Twin Peaks without a tenth of the cultural impact (I apologize if you are older and just have the mentality of a 10 year old and are easily entertained).
 
2012-05-10 08:42:11 AM

PizzaJedi81: moothemagiccow: Nope. There's no plot.

We obviously watched two different movies.

Or you're being sarcastic.

I can't tell anymore.


Find the cube! Brilliant.
 
2012-05-10 08:46:00 AM

bill4935: When talking about superhero movies that are more than eye candy, he mentions James Gunn, direction of "The Specials" but that movie was kinda slow and indie and I couldn't really get into it after 1/2 an hour.

Anyone seen it? Reasons I should give it another go?


If you went into it expecting a superhero movie I can see why you'd be disappointed.

If you went in expecting a character study piece, as I did because the friend
who recommended it to me warned me thusly, then it plays very well.

Obviously, though, you didn't last long enough to see Padget Brewster in her
bra, which is always a plus for any movie.

www1.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2012-05-10 08:52:25 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Carth: SockMonkeyHolocaust: The surprise twist in both the Avengers and Cabin in the Woods was that they were actually watchable to people other than Whedon apologists.

Because Toy Story, Speed, Roseanne and Buffy were such niche movies and shows?

OK, so he's palatable when he has a team of other writers reining him in... oh wait, he has a slew of other movies he made that are insufferable. Really? FIVE writers on Toy Story and you want to credit him with anything on it? That's Kevin Smithian levels of terrible.

Stop bringing up Buffy the Vampire Slayer as watchable. It was dumb and you people who thought it was good were 10 years old when it was on. It's literally your generation's Twin Peaks without a tenth of the cultural impact (I apologize if you are older and just have the mentality of a 10 year old and are easily entertained).


Buffy won a few and was nominated for a bunch of Emmys. If critical acclaim, awards, and ratings don't make the show watchable what other objective metric is there?

In Toy Story Joss is credited with the script rewrite that turned it into a cohesive film after it had been mangled by two other writers. A slew of other movies? Which ones do you think were so terrible to earn your scorn? The low points of his career look like Alien Resurrection and Titan AE.
 
2012-05-10 08:56:09 AM

PizzaJedi81: farkeruk: Best Exotic Marigold Hotel=my mother

I actually really want to see that, but I'm a huge fan of Dame Judi and Bill Nighy.


Great cast, really, but it looks like standard tourist porn. "Let's go to India and learn about ourselves!" You know, Eat Drink Pray Woman or whatever that Julia Roberts thing was in the past couple of years.
 
2012-05-10 09:13:12 AM
Whedonisms huh? Well, maybe we can let Michael Bay take a crack at Avengers 2 then.
 
2012-05-10 09:14:00 AM

Carth: Titan AE.


Titan AE was no low point. I had no idea he was involved in that, but I loved that film.
 
2012-05-10 09:15:04 AM

Lackofname: some of the pre-Buffy stuff was eh but.


Buffy Season 6 was a little more then eh. It put me off the show completely...but then again, Whedon wasn't involved in that season much at all.
 
2012-05-10 09:18:57 AM

Seth'n'Spectrum: Carth: Titan AE.

Titan AE was no low point. I had no idea he was involved in that, but I loved that film.


It was horribly marketed and enjoyable but commercially a huge failure. At least it convinced Fox to stop making animated films.
 
2012-05-10 09:20:18 AM

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: Lackofname: some of the pre-Buffy stuff was eh but.

Buffy Season 6 was a little more then eh. It put me off the show completely...but then again, Whedon wasn't involved in that season much at all.


Bunnies. It must bunnies.
/or maybe midgets
 
2012-05-10 09:21:59 AM

Carth: It was horribly marketed and enjoyable but commercially a huge failure. At least it convinced Fox to stop making animated films.


Ah okay, so a different flavor of fail entirely from Alien Resurrection.
 
2012-05-10 09:27:30 AM

ryarger: Jim_Callahan: wee: Does Avengers also have the ubiquitous waifish, slightly damaged yet inwardly complex female character that has a deep, dark secret but also an inner power that can only be unleashed if he plot needs it?

I haven't seen the movie, just asking...

Whedon did a very good job at refraining from using his usual hackneyed tricks to try to give the material fake depth or self-awareness with the avengers. No insertion of his sexual fetishes, no reliance on meta-dialogue, no random character stating obvious plot points as if they're supposed to be some big reveal, and almost no inappropriate character-violating lines just for the sake of sarcasm ("glowstick of destiny" probably crossed the line, the rest was good).

Those things you call "hackneyed tricks" others call "fun". And in the world without hipsters (far, far away from Fark) people actually enjoy and actively seek out fun.

/Proud as hell of Joss
//Whoodathunk a third-generation Hollywood writer would make something of himself in the business


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