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2012-05-09 08:58:01 PM  
10 votes:
On one side we have a guy who never thought twice about sending thousands of Americans and other coalition forces into Iraq to go after someone who had not attacked us while abandoning the search for the guy who did.

To the GOP? Hero.

On the other side we have the guy who resumed the hunt for the guy who DID attack us, found him, weighed the risks and worked with the military to devise a plan, sent in a small efficient team to do the job and killed the motherfarker.

To the GOP? Grandstanding coward.


I don't generally like to debase myself by resorting to broad-brush strokes of lowbrow commenting, but Republicans are farking stupid.
2012-05-09 09:03:35 PM  
5 votes:
Can we please arrest these assholes for misleading an entire nation to war on false evidence?
2012-05-10 12:03:02 AM  
4 votes:
George W. Bush lied. Thousands of Americans, allies, and Iraqis died.

/Fark Republicans.
//They're what makes American wrong.
2012-05-09 11:58:31 PM  
4 votes:
There was a debate. It was between the oil executives over who got what field,
2012-05-10 03:10:09 AM  
3 votes:
So I'm supposed to think that Powell is less of a POS because of this? Powell can (and should) DIAF as he is just as guilty as any of the Bush criminals.

Powell sold his soul to the right (for next to nothing), now he desperately wants it back. The dumbshiat should have known that his bargain was one that couldn't be undone.
2012-05-10 02:23:55 AM  
3 votes:
Fark you Powell you farking tool. Like it now or not, the fact remains that you sold your soul along with the rest of them to go to war. Burn in hell with the rest of them.
2012-05-10 12:03:45 AM  
3 votes:
I remember watching his speech to the UN and thinking that he was the last Republican I respected... and that was over because I knew he was lying. The moment when it happened is etched in my brain. The way things have been going, he'll likely be the last Republican I ever had respect for too.

I was pretty sure we were going to be taken to war with Iraq the first time I heard 9/11 and Saddam or Iraq mentioned in the same sentence by the Bush admin.
2012-05-09 11:41:29 PM  
3 votes:

The Why Not Guy: vossiewulf: Not that anyone misses Saddam

No, but I miss three of the thousands of people who lost their lives in Iraq, and as a taxpayer I miss the hundreds of billions squandered.


Trillions are thousands of billions.
2012-05-09 11:36:59 PM  
3 votes:

vossiewulf: Not that anyone misses Saddam


No, but I miss three of the thousands of people who lost their lives in Iraq, and as a taxpayer I miss the hundreds of billions squandered.
2012-05-09 08:59:44 PM  
3 votes:
Why don't these people all just go somewhere and kill themselves to silence the screams of all the people they killed for no reason and stop writing books about it?
2012-05-10 09:39:48 AM  
2 votes:
He sold out and lied for the Bush administration so that his son could get the top spot with the FCC. And it worked, as his son has gone on to a lifetime of top plutocratic positions within the government. The Bush administration did the same thing with former Joints Chief of Staff Richard Meyers, who rolled over and played dead for them, letting that farktard Rumsfeld run the war and occupation of Iraq without objection, so that his niece could chosen over more qualified people to a top position with the newly created Department of Homeland Security.

But then again Colin Powell has a history of being a lying bastard. During the Vietnam war he was THE key player for the government in attempting to cover up the My Lai massacre. Something which everyone conveniently forgot because of what he did for the nation during Desert Storm against Iraq, keeping the politicians off of Schwarzkopf and insisting on building a coalition.

Would he have been a good president? I don't know, but he certainly would have continued being a tool of the military industrial complex. There would be no debate on whether to go to war against Iran with him, we would have already done it.
2012-05-10 08:26:11 AM  
2 votes:

Mart Laar's beard shaver: He's hardly an innocent, or a victim.


4.bp.blogspot.com

I like how a bunch of the Bush administration has come out with books trying to wash their hands of the whole thing. The thing is any one of them could have gone to the media and exposed what was happening. Hell, they could have done it in a speech instead of going through their talking points. Career suicide? Maybe, but something tells me they could have found work somewhere. Would you give up your job to keep 5000 people alive? If not, you're a greedy piece of human garbage. I hope all these officials go down in the history books as manufacturing a war that got a lot of good people killed, no matter how many books they write to the contrary.
2012-05-10 01:37:36 AM  
2 votes:
"It Worked For Me" = "I got mine." All those uncounted thousands of casualties? F*** em.

There is a special rung in hell for these f****ers.
2012-05-10 12:32:07 AM  
2 votes:
He adds: "I get mad when bloggers accuse me of lying -- of knowing the information was false. I didn't."

Tell that to all the families of dead service members of your BS war you lying piece of shiat. That you were too busy to check your facts or question the BS they fed you.
2012-05-10 12:23:29 AM  
2 votes:

Dutch Pilsner: Love me some PNAC


Ah PNAC, the right wing world order institution that Tea Baggers pretend what the left is trying to create.

I would love to sit down with a Tea Bagger and see how they ignore the cognitive dissonance that they support this organization which seems to be the complete opposite of what they actually believe in.
2012-05-10 12:15:41 AM  
2 votes:
mycatbirdseat.com
2012-05-10 12:05:57 AM  
2 votes:
"I get mad when bloggers accuse me of lying -- of knowing the information was false. I didn't."

NO, YOU FATUOUS MORON, IT'S THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER DOING THE MINIMUM DUE DILIGENCE. congratulations, you've maintained plausible deniability, you worthless prevaricating bureaucrat, you Sergeant Schulz who "knew nothing, I know Nothing!"
2012-05-09 11:53:20 PM  
2 votes:
How can you debate something in the Cheney administration when it was decided a decade earlier that they were going to invade? Let's not kid ourselves, aside from obsolete and ineffective chemical weapons leftover from the war with Iran, there were no WMDs. The war was started to give lots of no-bid contracts to Haliburton and so Dubya could get Hussein after daddy failed.
2012-05-09 11:50:04 PM  
2 votes:
fta: "By then, the President did not think war could be avoided," Powell writes. "He had crossed the line in his own mind, even though the NSC [National Security Council] had never met -- and never would meet -- to discuss the decision."

Avoidable war or most avoidable war EVAR?

Bush was elected on the idea of a "humble foreign policy" and then proceeded to lie to his nation and the world in order to start a war of choice in Iraq.

At this point, whenever a Republican opens his mouth and says something that sounds remotely reasonable it's always a good idea to understand that they most likely mean the exact opposite.

They are officially the bizarro party now.

FSM help us all.
2012-05-09 11:40:25 PM  
2 votes:

vossiewulf: Not that anyone misses Saddam


Do you think he would have been able to survive the Green Revolution?
2012-05-09 11:27:51 PM  
2 votes:
Never go full retard.
2012-05-09 09:23:39 PM  
2 votes:

Ambivalence: No that's not fair. It was debated. It's just that both sides of the debate were saying the same damn thing.


Invading Iraq: Great idea, or greatest idea ever?
2012-05-09 09:21:39 PM  
2 votes:
incogman.net
2012-05-09 08:22:00 PM  
2 votes:
i lied to the UN.
2012-05-11 09:23:00 AM  
1 votes:

zarberg: It's a wee bit easier to agree to something you would normally disagree to when the information given to you is deliberately incorrect in such a way as to make you want to agree to it.


Its also foolish to trust a member of the opposition party on any subject without verifying it for yourself. Especially for a war.
I don't believe Washington has changed. Its been the same cesspool of disagreement since the days of our forefathers, and its also no secret that politicians will lie or cheat to get what they want.

If one politicians goes along with what his opponent says, pleading ignorance is not a defense. They were hired to think things through and they did so to their own satisfaction.
Because all they were thinking about then was how to get money and votes.
All they are thinking about now is how to get money and votes.

Whether a war was legal or not is irrelevant to them if they can say it was not, after they did all the paperwork themselves, and get you to buy that excuse.
Just the same as they can make an illegal war action later and tell you everything is OK because it just happened to turn out favorable this time.

Not that I disagree with having wars. Its simply disingenuous to have two sets of standards for judging them.
2012-05-10 08:55:21 PM  
1 votes:

relaxitsjustme: A lot of Americans were on the fence about Iraq until Colin sold them on the idea of WMD because he was the one guy people felt like they could trust. Bush Co owns this one all by themselves.


The Democrats agreed to war when it was popular to do so, and disagreed when it was popular to do so.
Its nice that they found their spines in time for the 2008 election but lets not pretend that they never had a choice.
If our politicians bought into a war and ignored the supposedly obvious, because of a nice sales pitch by Powell, then they are fools.

I see no reason for you or me to apologize for fools.
2012-05-10 04:14:40 PM  
1 votes:

way south: Lunaville: way south: kg2095: They can say that they really believed that Iraq had WMDs, but the UN had weapons inspectors in Iraq right up until just before the invasion. Their opinion was that there was no WMDs.

Iraq at one point had WMD's because we paid them to buy some and they used what they bought on civilians.
So the problem here would be trusting a UN inspector when we had good reason to believe otherwise.

Saddam is one of our own dogs that bit us, just like the Taliban but with a much more powerful army. The man himself was a long standing annoyance to many and his passing isn't regrettable.
Most everyone agrees he had to go, we're just arguing about the method.

We can pretend to have only short term memory and 20/20 hindsight, which would make this look like it was entirely Bush's fault. That doesn't account for why quite a few people from both sides of the aisle agreed with it, even when they must have known the Arab spring would be coming a decade later.

/Sometimes you don't need a conspiracy to explain things.
/"It was a good idea at the time" is a perfectly defensible reason.

Are you implying that there was NO anti-war movement prior to the invasion?

There is always an anti war movement. Even for wars that most would think are easily justified, like WW2.
What I'd imply is that many of the people who say Iraq was a bad idea, especially politicians, didn't decide so until years after we were balls deep in it and there were elections to win.


Have you forgotten what life was like after 9/11? Anybody who didn't suck Bush cawk all the way down to the pubes was branded a liberal, commie-pinko, traitor. No Blood For Oil sound familiar? Scott Ritter, name ring a bell? A lot of Americans were on the fence about Iraq until Colin sold them on the idea of WMD because he was the one guy people felt like they could trust. Bush Co owns this one all by themselves.
2012-05-10 11:25:54 AM  
1 votes:
So now can we start the war crimes trials?
2012-05-10 09:58:46 AM  
1 votes:

Wheyfaring Stranger: While Powell is complicit in this tragedy, it looks like he's trying to set the record straight and call W and his cronies on their bullshiat. It doesn't buy him redemtpion -- I think Powell, like any soldier, realizes that once you've compromised your integrity, it can never be restored -- but if telling his story of how things ran off the rails helps us avoid the same mistakes in the future, then he needs to tell it.


That's not what he's doing though.

He's making money off of a book promoting his own "leadership".

ecx.images-amazon.com

This isn't a "Learn from my dreadful. unforgivable mistakes" book. It's a "Read this and you can be nearly as awesome as I am" book.
2012-05-10 08:48:22 AM  
1 votes:

Cewley: i lied to the UN.


And we're done in one.

We would have also accepted:
"We lied the country into a war"
"Our so-called 'justification' was pure bullshiat."
"Screw the soldiers. They're expendable. We'll recruit more from America's inner cities."
"Spending taxpayer money to us is like giving a hooker a welfare check on Friday night. And we're the 'fiscal conservatives.'"
2012-05-10 08:21:37 AM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-05-10 08:11:25 AM  
1 votes:

Sabyen91: leviosaurus: Given the timing, this basically means Powell is endorsing Obama again.

Good for him. He would have been the first black president, if Bush hadn't farked him over.

He had a teensy bit of responsibility for not being the first black pres.



Mrs. Powell had him by the short hairs and wouldn't let him run. The end.

But Powell is a self-serving bastard. Anytime you would see a "senior White House source" quoted in the run-up to the war, it was Powell holding one of his "off the record" confabs.

He's hardly an innocent, or a victim.
2012-05-10 08:00:08 AM  
1 votes:

alternate tune: Remember how thousands of people all over the world took to the streets to ask that the US not go into Iraq?

I wrote to my Congress reps to say "don't go to war on my account."

The desire to make a daddy proud and make warmongers rich was apparently too strong to overcome.


I signed petitions, and even wrote a personal email to pr­es­ide­nt[nospam-﹫-backwards]e­su­o­he­ti­hw*go­v. No reply at all to the latter, they might have stopped checking it when the Clinton staff left, for all I could tell.
2012-05-10 07:33:03 AM  
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Can we please arrest these assholes for misleading an entire nation to war on false evidence?


Sure. After the military industrial complex and their cronies in DC are done pinning medals on them for being so Ameritastic.

/What's that on the ground?
//That's just a dead American soldier. Step over it.
2012-05-10 07:32:32 AM  
1 votes:
Remember how thousands of people all over the world took to the streets to ask that the US not go into Iraq?

I wrote to my Congress reps to say "don't go to war on my account."

The desire to make a daddy proud and make warmongers rich was apparently too strong to overcome.
2012-05-10 07:30:13 AM  
1 votes:
Well if it wasn't for the international media and the non mainstream american media americans would still be scratching their heads about the Iraq war. Mainstream american media had its head well and truly embedded up the republican ass.
2012-05-10 07:16:25 AM  
1 votes:
That Colin Powell has no honor what so ever ansd digraced the nation he served and the uniform he once wore?
2012-05-10 07:05:39 AM  
1 votes:

kg2095: The Why Not Guy: vossiewulf: Not that anyone misses Saddam

No, but I miss three of the thousands of people who lost their lives in Iraq, and as a taxpayer I miss the hundreds of billions squandered.

Don't forget the more than 100,000 Iraqis killed.


And it's almost certainly more than a million if you include deaths from disease and malnutrition caused by the invasion.
2012-05-10 06:20:26 AM  
1 votes:

The Why Not Guy: vossiewulf: Not that anyone misses Saddam

No, but I miss three of the thousands of people who lost their lives in Iraq, and as a taxpayer I miss the hundreds of billions squandered.


Don't forget the more than 100,000 Iraqis killed.
2012-05-10 06:06:49 AM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Um, Obama sent a bunch of people randomly to war, too, did you forget "the surge"? US foreign policy hasn't really varied that much from president to president, even Clinton's policy was fairly similar.


Obama ended the Iraq war with as much honor as one could scrape out of that clusterfark that America will continue paying for for years down the road.

As he promised.

Obama then tripled the number of troops in Afghanistan in order to bring that biatch to a more successful outcome before announcing a timeline for withdrawal.

As he promised.

Obama went into Pakistan top take out Bin Laden only informing Pakistan at the very last second what was happening.

As he promised.

The fact that both parties seem prone to military adventurism and have for decades now is not insubstantial but thinking they have the same mind set, strategy and tactics is a little bit naive.

GOP starts fights without thinking.

Democrats end fights with thinking.
2012-05-10 05:35:33 AM  
1 votes:

puffy999: Nadie_AZ: Can we please arrest these assholes for misleading an entire nation to war on false evidence?

The very fact that Cheney is so connected with at least one company that made a lot of money off of this war should basically say it all.

Of course, Oliver North has a job with Fox News, so I mean....


Not to mention all the PNAC members Bush put in place at the start of his administration. This was their intent before 9/11 ever happened. 9/11 was the perfect excuse. it's what they prayed for. their "new Pearl Harbor" their "Cassus Belli"
2012-05-10 05:28:00 AM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: The CEO president governed like he managed.


The only difference between Bush and Romney is Romney put companies out of business on purpose.
2012-05-10 04:13:24 AM  
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Can we please arrest these assholes for misleading an entire nation to war on false evidence?


The very fact that Cheney is so connected with at least one company that made a lot of money off of this war should basically say it all.

Of course, Oliver North has a job with Fox News, so I mean....
2012-05-10 03:25:41 AM  
1 votes:

DavidVincent: [mycatbirdseat.com image 500x525]


Old men with blood on their hands. Believing that they're doing the Lord's work. Believing that destruction is the path to salvation.
2012-05-10 02:39:51 AM  
1 votes:

DavidVincent: [mycatbirdseat.com image 500x525]


Should we blame the government?
Blame society?
Or the images on TV?
No! Blame Canada!
2012-05-10 02:38:05 AM  
1 votes:

DavidVincent:


www.babble.com
/Sees what Jews did there
2012-05-10 02:19:52 AM  
1 votes:

Corvus: He adds: "I get mad when bloggers accuse me of lying -- of knowing the information was false. I didn't."

Tell that to all the families of dead service members of your BS war you lying piece of shiat. That you were too busy to check your facts or question the BS they fed you.


Funny, one of Powell's deputies, Wilkenson, I think, quoted Powell as saying "this is bullshiat" before he presented it at the U.N.
2012-05-10 01:07:03 AM  
1 votes:
We libtards knew and said back then that there was no justification for the war in Iraq.

But the "lamestream" media was beating the drum wars along with the Bush administration.
2012-05-10 12:17:20 AM  
1 votes:
2012-05-10 12:10:47 AM  
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: "I get mad when bloggers accuse me of lying -- of knowing the information was false. I didn't."


If he wasn't lying it was intentional (willful) ignorance... either way, he still lost all respect I had for him prior to that.
2012-05-09 11:49:59 PM  
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: On one side we have a guy who never thought twice about sending thousands of Americans and other coalition forces into Iraq to go after someone who had not attacked us while abandoning the search for the guy who did.

To the GOP? Hero.

On the other side we have the guy who resumed the hunt for the guy who DID attack us, found him, weighed the risks and worked with the military to devise a plan, sent in a small efficient team to do the job and killed the motherfarker.

To the GOP? Grandstanding coward.


I don't generally like to debase myself by resorting to broad-brush strokes of lowbrow commenting, but Republicans are farking stupid.


Also, under Obama, we toppled a dictator that was killing his own citizens without alienating the entire planet AND without a single US casualty.
2012-05-09 11:43:49 PM  
1 votes:

Sabyen91: Tats survived it.


Yes, sadly.

Though it was amusing to watch him recently try to explain how the election of a Socialist prime minister in France was going to lead to the death or expulsion of the French Jewry.
2012-05-09 11:31:43 PM  
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: I don't generally like to debase myself by resorting to broad-brush strokes of lowbrow commenting, but Republicans are farking stupid EVIL.


Fixed that for you.

The Republicans aren't even part of the United States anymore.
2012-05-09 11:19:54 PM  
1 votes:
Nice people don't vote Republican.
2012-05-09 10:28:17 PM  
1 votes:
The CEO president governed like he managed.
2012-05-09 09:07:03 PM  
1 votes:
I was in my car when I heard the final SCOTUS ruling on the election, and I actually said out loud "better get packing those bags Saddam, because he IS going to find a way." That group would have justified an invasion on the basis of stopping Saddam counterfeiting Gucci handbags, if necessary. Not that anyone misses Saddam, but what was obvious to anyone who knew much of anything was that they were completely delusional about what would follow. Hitler on a codeine-fueled visit to cloud cuckoo land delusional.
2012-05-09 08:38:02 PM  
1 votes:
No that's not fair. It was debated. It's just that both sides of the debate were saying the same damn thing.

It's kind of hard to debate a foregone conclusion. And it'll happen again because no one got in trouble this last time. Everyone who made the same idiot predictions are still out there making more idiot predictions.
2012-05-09 08:30:33 PM  
1 votes:
"That vial did not contain anthrax. It was Bush's semen. I was, in fact, his b*tch."
 
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