Corvus: Dutch Pilsner: Love me some PNAC

Ah PNAC, the right wing world order institution that Tea Baggers pretend what the left is trying to create.

I would love to sit down with a Tea Bagger and see how they ignore the cognitive dissonance that they support this organization which seems to be the complete opposite of what they actually believe in.

Yeah...odd how that little organization is conveniently forgotten.

If I wasn't so lazy, it'd probably be fun to troll the right wingers with some parsed out PNAC quotes.

We libtards knew and said back then that there was no justification for the war in Iraq.

But the "lamestream" media was beating the drum wars along with the Bush administration.

AdolfOliverPanties: On one side we have a guy who never thought twice about sending thousands of Americans and other coalition forces into Iraq to go after someone who had not attacked us while abandoning the search for the guy who did.

To the GOP? Hero.

On the other side we have the guy who resumed the hunt for the guy who DID attack us, found him, weighed the risks and worked with the military to devise a plan, sent in a small efficient team to do the job and killed the motherfarker.

To the GOP? Grandstanding coward.


I don't generally like to debase myself by resorting to broad-brush strokes of lowbrow commenting, but Republicans are farking stupid.

Nope, both sides are bad. I learneded that on the fark.com

"It Worked For Me" = "I got mine." All those uncounted thousands of casualties? F*** em.

There is a special rung in hell for these f****ers.

rynthetyn: JohnnyC: I remember watching his speech to the UN and thinking that he was the last Republican I respected... and that was over because I knew he was lying. The moment when it happened is etched in my brain. The way things have been going, he'll likely be the last Republican I ever had respect for too.

I didn't see the UN speech because I was in college, but I remember talking on the phone with my mom and insisting to her that if we invaded Iraq, we would be there for a decade for no real reason, and having her tell me that I hadn't seen his UN speech and if I had I'd know we needed to invade and there was no way we'd be there in a decade.

I graduated college in 2003, wandered around the world for a while, dabbled in a bunch of different things, decided to go back to grad school, and we're still dealing with Iraq.

Five bucks says your mom still supports republicans on the whole too.

Mine buys each new face's clip of the day like it came from god himself. Thankfully, since we are in michigan, even she won't have the wool pulled over her eyes by romney regarding the auto industry bailouts. So she may not vote at all this year. /sigh

rynthetyn: Smackledorfer: rynthetyn: JohnnyC: I remember watching his speech to the UN and thinking that he was the last Republican I respected... and that was over because I knew he was lying. The moment when it happened is etched in my brain. The way things have been going, he'll likely be the last Republican I ever had respect for too.

I didn't see the UN speech because I was in college, but I remember talking on the phone with my mom and insisting to her that if we invaded Iraq, we would be there for a decade for no real reason, and having her tell me that I hadn't seen his UN speech and if I had I'd know we needed to invade and there was no way we'd be there in a decade.

I graduated college in 2003, wandered around the world for a while, dabbled in a bunch of different things, decided to go back to grad school, and we're still dealing with Iraq.

Five bucks says your mom still supports republicans on the whole too.

Mine buys each new face's clip of the day like it came from god himself. Thankfully, since we are in michigan, even she won't have the wool pulled over her eyes by romney regarding the auto industry bailouts. So she may not vote at all this year. /sigh

She voted for Obama in '08, and while she hasn't been all that thrilled with him, I think she can be convinced that replacing him with Mittens is an even worse option.

Nice.

// hot like his on fire pants.

DavidVincent:


/Sees what Jews did there

DavidVincent: [mycatbirdseat.com image 500x525]

Should we blame the government?
Blame society?
Or the images on TV?
No! Blame Canada!

So I'm supposed to think that Powell is less of a POS because of this? Powell can (and should) DIAF as he is just as guilty as any of the Bush criminals.

Powell sold his soul to the right (for next to nothing), now he desperately wants it back. The dumbshiat should have known that his bargain was one that couldn't be undone.

AdolfOliverPanties: On one side we have a guy who never thought twice about sending thousands of Americans and other coalition forces into Iraq to go after someone who had not attacked us while abandoning the search for the guy who did.

To the GOP? Hero.

On the other side we have the guy who resumed the hunt for the guy who DID attack us, found him, weighed the risks and worked with the military to devise a plan, sent in a small efficient team to do the job and killed the motherfarker.

To the GOP? Grandstanding coward.


I don't generally like to debase myself by resorting to broad-brush strokes of lowbrow commenting, but Republicans are farking stupid.

Um, Obama sent a bunch of people randomly to war, too, did you forget "the surge"? US foreign policy hasn't really varied that much from president to president, even Clinton's policy was fairly similar.

DavidVincent: [mycatbirdseat.com image 500x525]

Old men with blood on their hands. Believing that they're doing the Lord's work. Believing that destruction is the path to salvation.

Jim_Callahan: Um, Obama sent a bunch of people randomly to war, too, did you forget "the surge"? US foreign policy hasn't really varied that much from president to president, even Clinton's policy was fairly similar.

But hey, Obama gets to take credit for being president when the Iraqi parliament kicked us out of the country ending the Iraq war. So there's that.

Rapmaster2000: The CEO president governed like he managed.

The only difference between Bush and Romney is Romney put companies out of business on purpose.

puffy999: Nadie_AZ: Can we please arrest these assholes for misleading an entire nation to war on false evidence?

The very fact that Cheney is so connected with at least one company that made a lot of money off of this war should basically say it all.

Of course, Oliver North has a job with Fox News, so I mean....

Not to mention all the PNAC members Bush put in place at the start of his administration. This was their intent before 9/11 ever happened. 9/11 was the perfect excuse. it's what they prayed for. their "new Pearl Harbor" their "Cassus Belli"

robmilmel: The surge was in 2007.

Oh, I know. The response I always get to the surge, the missiles in Yemen, and the general continuation of the War on Terror (tm) from liberals is b..b..but Iraq! I was just mocking them.

Too bad there is no hell even for those who have manifestly earned one.

Jim_Callahan: Um, Obama sent a bunch of people randomly to war, too, did you forget "the surge"? US foreign policy hasn't really varied that much from president to president, even Clinton's policy was fairly similar.

Obama ended the Iraq war with as much honor as one could scrape out of that clusterfark that America will continue paying for for years down the road.

As he promised.

Obama then tripled the number of troops in Afghanistan in order to bring that biatch to a more successful outcome before announcing a timeline for withdrawal.

As he promised.

Obama went into Pakistan top take out Bin Laden only informing Pakistan at the very last second what was happening.

As he promised.

The fact that both parties seem prone to military adventurism and have for decades now is not insubstantial but thinking they have the same mind set, strategy and tactics is a little bit naive.

GOP starts fights without thinking.

Democrats end fights with thinking.

The Why Not Guy: vossiewulf: Not that anyone misses Saddam

No, but I miss three of the thousands of people who lost their lives in Iraq, and as a taxpayer I miss the hundreds of billions squandered.

Don't forget the more than 100,000 Iraqis killed.

Jim_Callahan: AdolfOliverPanties: On one side we have a guy who never thought twice about sending thousands of Americans and other coalition forces into Iraq to go after someone who had not attacked us while abandoning the search for the guy who did.

To the GOP? Hero.

On the other side we have the guy who resumed the hunt for the guy who DID attack us, found him, weighed the risks and worked with the military to devise a plan, sent in a small efficient team to do the job and killed the motherfarker.

To the GOP? Grandstanding coward.


I don't generally like to debase myself by resorting to broad-brush strokes of lowbrow commenting, but Republicans are farking stupid.

Um, Obama sent a bunch of people randomly to war, too, did you forget "the surge"? US foreign policy hasn't really varied that much from president to president, even Clinton's policy was fairly similar.

The invasion of Afghanistan was at least justified as that is where Al Qaeda training was taking place.

There was absolutely no justification for the invasion of Iraq. It was completely unnecessary and cost over 100,000 lives and more than 3 trillion dollars. Plus interest that is accumulating on that today and every day.

They can say that they really believed that Iraq had WMDs, but the UN had weapons inspectors in Iraq right up until just before the invasion. Their opinion was that there was no WMDs.

All of those involved from Bush on down should be tried for mass murder.

kg2095: The Why Not Guy: vossiewulf: Not that anyone misses Saddam

No, but I miss three of the thousands of people who lost their lives in Iraq, and as a taxpayer I miss the hundreds of billions squandered.

Don't forget the more than 100,000 Iraqis killed.

And it's almost certainly more than a million if you include deaths from disease and malnutrition caused by the invasion.

That Colin Powell has no honor what so ever ansd digraced the nation he served and the uniform he once wore?

Alphax: kg2095: The Why Not Guy: vossiewulf: Not that anyone misses Saddam

No, but I miss three of the thousands of people who lost their lives in Iraq, and as a taxpayer I miss the hundreds of billions squandered.

Don't forget the more than 100,000 Iraqis killed.

And it's almost certainly more than a million if you include deaths from disease and malnutrition caused by the invasion.

Even at a million, it would mean that it cost me (taxpayer) 3 million dollars each to kill those Goddamn goatherds. The Crips would have happily done it for $500 ea.
Dumbasses.

kg2095: They can say that they really believed that Iraq had WMDs, but the UN had weapons inspectors in Iraq right up until just before the invasion. Their opinion was that there was no WMDs.

Iraq at one point had WMD's because we paid them to buy some and they used what they bought on civilians.
So the problem here would be trusting a UN inspector when we had good reason to believe otherwise.

Saddam is one of our own dogs that bit us, just like the Taliban but with a much more powerful army. The man himself was a long standing annoyance to many and his passing isn't regrettable.
Most everyone agrees he had to go, we're just arguing about the method.

We can pretend to have only short term memory and 20/20 hindsight, which would make this look like it was entirely Bush's fault. That doesn't account for why quite a few people from both sides of the aisle agreed with it, even when they must have known the Arab spring would be coming a decade later.

/Sometimes you don't need a conspiracy to explain things.
/"It was a good idea at the time" is a perfectly defensible reason.

Well if it wasn't for the international media and the non mainstream american media americans would still be scratching their heads about the Iraq war. Mainstream american media had its head well and truly embedded up the republican ass.

DjangoStonereaver: [www.myfacewhen.net image 170x128]

Obvious even to him.

Apropos of nothing: Found on Mr. Romero's Wikipedia page:

On December 7, 2009, Drew Curtis discovered Romero's Facebook fan page, which led Ric to ask the Farkers that joined his new Facebook page to donate to the Spark of Love Toy Drive, which subsequently resulted in 582 online donations totaling $13,659.20 (as of December 16, 2009). Romero thanked the Fark community on the news for their donations, and recognized his status as a Farkism, also reporting the "breaking news" that, "Water is Wet."

Mr. Romero's alright by me.

Yup. Anyone who can take a joke in good stride and give one back is a mensch.

Remember how thousands of people all over the world took to the streets to ask that the US not go into Iraq?

I wrote to my Congress reps to say "don't go to war on my account."

The desire to make a daddy proud and make warmongers rich was apparently too strong to overcome.

Nadie_AZ: Can we please arrest these assholes for misleading an entire nation to war on false evidence?

Sure. After the military industrial complex and their cronies in DC are done pinning medals on them for being so Ameritastic.

/What's that on the ground?
//That's just a dead American soldier. Step over it.

way south: That doesn't account for why quite a few people from both sides of the aisle agreed with it, even when they must have known the Arab spring would be coming a decade later.

Wut?

Philip Francis Queeg: way south: That doesn't account for why quite a few people from both sides of the aisle agreed with it, even when they must have known the Arab spring would be coming a decade later.

Wut?

A jab at people wondering why we just didn't let nature take its course for Iraq.
Obviously there's no way to know when that would happen, if ever.

/Not like a man who gasses his opponents will let himself be voted out of office.

alternate tune: Remember how thousands of people all over the world took to the streets to ask that the US not go into Iraq?

I wrote to my Congress reps to say "don't go to war on my account."

The desire to make a daddy proud and make warmongers rich was apparently too strong to overcome.

I signed petitions, and even wrote a personal email to p­r­esident­esu­o­he­t­ihwgov. No reply at all to the latter, they might have stopped checking it when the Clinton staff left, for all I could tell.

sweetmelissa31: Ambivalence: No that's not fair. It was debated. It's just that both sides of the debate were saying the same damn thing.

Invading Iraq: Great idea, or greatest idea ever?

It will only take a few months and pay for itself! What's not to love?

Sabyen91: leviosaurus: Given the timing, this basically means Powell is endorsing Obama again.

Good for him. He would have been the first black president, if Bush hadn't farked him over.

He had a teensy bit of responsibility for not being the first black pres.


Mrs. Powell had him by the short hairs and wouldn't let him run. The end.

But Powell is a self-serving bastard. Anytime you would see a "senior White House source" quoted in the run-up to the war, it was Powell holding one of his "off the record" confabs.

He's hardly an innocent, or a victim.

Mart Laar's beard shaver: He's hardly an innocent, or a victim.



I like how a bunch of the Bush administration has come out with books trying to wash their hands of the whole thing. The thing is any one of them could have gone to the media and exposed what was happening. Hell, they could have done it in a speech instead of going through their talking points. Career suicide? Maybe, but something tells me they could have found work somewhere. Would you give up your job to keep 5000 people alive? If not, you're a greedy piece of human garbage. I hope all these officials go down in the history books as manufacturing a war that got a lot of good people killed, no matter how many books they write to the contrary.

Let's not forget how America, as a nation, popped a boner over pictures of Hussein's dead sons and over Hussein's own execution.

We should all be ashamed of ourselves. Deeply, deeply ashamed.