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2012-05-10 03:31:31 AM

Zizzowop: "You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt." -Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.


How have I never seen this before?

Awesome.

I do live in doubt. I doubt mankind can pull it's collective head out of it's ass and stop trying to describe the sciences and even just education as a faith in some insane attempt to return to the stone ages.

Why?

Those people tend to want to push onto society ways of life because some book told a parable about it, or more simply, because "god said so".

Be it the refusal of science/education, or actual laws governing people, it's not beneficial to society as a whole. Can quite directly cause discomfort and even loss of life though negligence.
 
2012-05-10 03:32:40 AM

Tatsuma: omnibus_necanda_sunt: Oh, and I bash Orthodox Judaism just as much as Christianity and Islam. In fact, I probably know more about world religions than Richard Dawkins,

Yet I am going to bet you know almost nothing about Orthodox Judaism.


Sure he does. Wait a second while he checks out Wikipedia and copypastas some obscure terms.
 
2012-05-10 03:35:06 AM

ununcle: Aigoo: I'm a Christian and I have to say that this guy has a point. I've literally been thrown out of churches because I think abortion should be legal, I don't give a damn who you marry or sleep with (because 1 - free will and 2 - glass houses+stones=me bleeding to death from my own stupidity and asshattery on both points), believe all scientific theory should be taught as just that: theory, and firmly believe the "prosperity gospel" (as well as the Rapture) is flat-out nonsense designed to rip people off and fatten the coffers.

I won't try to convince any non-Christians that I'm right, and I will do everything in my power to respect others' beliefs. By the same token, I admit that there are times I'd appreciate the same courtesy. It is unnecessary to be deliberately offensive wh

What kind of abortion? There's a bunch of different kinds.


In the most technical terms: Termination of pregnancy by removal/expulsion of the embryo/fetus prior to viability. In Roe v Wade, SCOTUS set this point at as early as 24 weeks, leaving the states the ability to regulate more specifically without trampling on the mother's rights (ask TX and OK women how that's working out for them...).

For my personal beliefs, no. I would not get an abortion myself. But that doesn't mean I have any right to tell anyone else what to do, or to ask anyone else to apply my personal choices and beliefs to their lives. My faith is not so fragile that it cannot handle being questioned or disagreed with. ;)
 
2012-05-10 03:48:45 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: xaveth: Trashy: Obvious tag on hiatus?

THIS. Nothing more irritating than a farking atheist's arrogance.

Nothing more dangerous than a Christian's arrogance. The Republican party is an excellent example.


What a small world you both live in.

Christian or atheist, atheist or christian; two facets of a large, irregular polyhedron with many, many more to chose from and not all of those faces are dissimilar.

That's the cool thing about living in a country where Christianity is a very minor cult: you can really see how different religion can be. In Japan, you've got something like 90 percent of the population as atheists 350 days a year and paytopray Buddhists or Animists the other 15.25 days.
 
2012-05-10 03:52:42 AM

pecosdave: Truth is atheist have committed genocide in the name of their religion.


I see you're too ignorant / stupid to tell the difference between communism and atheism.
 
2012-05-10 03:55:43 AM

pecosdave: Religiously Hitler was a bit of a naturalist, I'm not sure if there's an actual label for his beliefs but they actually have a lot in common with modern new-age and naturalist movements.


Hitler was a good little christian. His hatred of Jews came from christianity. In fact, before the [not going to threadjack by mentioning this], christianity was the driving force behind the persecution of jews. Christians have a 1500+ year long tradition of persecuting jews. All Hitler did was continue the tradition.

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2012-05-10 03:58:26 AM

pecosdave: Neo Atheism is actually creating a culture than can be manipulated in the same way various religious groups have been vulnerable to manipulation in the past.


Atheism is the absence of belief in gods. (plural, cuz there are thousands of gods to believe in)

That's all it is, really.
 
2012-05-10 04:07:32 AM

Ace Rimmer: Religion is for telling us why.


Which religion?

Maybe you meant philosophy?
 
2012-05-10 04:11:05 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Keizer_Ghidorah: AverageAmericanGuy: Keizer_Ghidorah: AverageAmericanGuy: Defeated: Evolution is Fact.

Evolution is a theory. It's just an explanation to explain reality and subject to revision and replacement.

A fact would be something immutable and provably true. Evolution meets neither criteria.

*looks at the various breeds of dog, the bacteria that have become resistant to antibiotics, the finches of Galapagos, the different types of fancy goldfish, and the rest of the living world*

Hmm, looks real to me. What do you want, a Pokemon-like evolution process to happen in front of your eyes?

The sound of the ocean seems real, but it is just my brain's interpretation of the vibrations of the air. Most solid matter looks solid but is almost completely empty space.

What looks real to you does not make something the truth.

But something many people see, many people study, and many people analyze makes it more truthful than an ancient book that's the only source of something. We have countless evidence of adaptation and evolution, nothing of God's supposed miracles. If God created everything, he did a piss-poor job of it.

You sound like an angry, backslidden ex-Christian.

I'll pray for you to come back to the Lord.


I was never with the Lord.

ununcle: Keizer_Ghidorah: But something many people see, many people study, and many people analyze makes it more truthful than an ancient book that's the only source of something. We have countless evidence of adaptation and evolution, nothing of God's supposed miracles. If God created everything, he did a piss-poor job of it.

The age old answer for a faith in a higher power. How bad he (Or she) farked up.


It's a tale as old as civilization and repeated in the mythology of every single one of them, along with how gods create everything, man is the most special and amazing of their creations, man does something to mess up, gods go ballistic and inflict horrible punishments upon man for all eternity.
 
2012-05-10 04:11:11 AM
Just because I can't see or hear your friends doesn't mean I'm crazy, it means you are ... take your meds.

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2012-05-10 04:22:30 AM

Aigoo: In the most technical terms: Termination of pregnancy by removal/expulsion of the embryo/fetus prior to viability. In Roe v Wade, SCOTUS set this point at as early as 24 weeks, leaving the states the ability to regulate more specifically without trampling on the mother's rights (ask TX and OK women how that's working out for them...).

For my personal beliefs, no. I would not get an abortion myself. But that doesn't mean I have any right to tell anyone else what to do, or to ask anyone else to apply my personal choices and beliefs to their lives. My faith is not so fragile that it cannot handle being questioned or disagreed with. ;)


It's not about faith being fragile and it's not about woman. It's about people letting people kill babys.
 
2012-05-10 04:28:04 AM

ununcle: It's not about faith being fragile and it's not about woman. It's about people letting people kill babys.




Well we can all agree babies are evil and need to be killed, the 24 week limit is simply there to make sure we don't lallygag around the place and get it done fast.
 
2012-05-10 04:32:03 AM

ununcle: Christians are elected president because the US is a predominantly Christian nation. It was founded on Christian principals...


True for the first part.

For the second? What Christian principles, exactly?
Freedom of religion? The First Amendment is the exact bloody opposite of the first Commandment. Please reconcile this for us.
 
2012-05-10 04:34:41 AM

Gothnet: Well we can all agree babies are evil and need to be killed, the 24 week limit is simply there to make sure we don't lallygag around the place and get it done fast.


There are even helpful signs on where to do it.
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2012-05-10 04:37:45 AM

Uncle Tractor: Atheism is the absence of belief in gods. (plural, cuz there are thousands of gods to believe in)

That's all it is, really.


Or you could just say creator. That's the main ingredient. Rather then focus on the fact that many people believe in many gods, why not just come out and say you just do not believe in a higher power? Do you really have such a lack of faith in your own empty rootless belief that you find it imperative to throw subtle insults to people who don't feel the same way? O look,,, I just did the same thing. O well,, Fighting fire.
 
2012-05-10 04:40:46 AM

0Icky0: True for the first part.

For the second? What Christian principles, exactly?
Freedom of religion? The First Amendment is the exact bloody opposite of the first Commandment. Please reconcile this for us.


I'm not sure what you're asking. Was the US not founded on Christian Principles?
 
2012-05-10 04:42:28 AM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Real equations are not language specific. Try that same thing with a Chinese Bible and see how far you get.


I did, and all it said was "Free crab rangoon for all delivery orders over $30".
 
2012-05-10 04:42:48 AM

ununcle: I'm not sure what you're asking. Was the US not founded on Christian Principles?


I asked you to name these Christian principals.

And then to reconcile the First Amendment with the first Commandment.
 
2012-05-10 04:46:08 AM

Gothnet: ununcle: It's not about faith being fragile and it's not about woman. It's about people letting people kill babys.



Well we can all agree babies are evil and need to be killed, the 24 week limit is simply there to make sure we don't lallygag around the place and get it done fast.



24 weeks is farking sickening. Is that the threshold? We're farking doomed. Why not just kill the kid when you get sick of changing a diaper?
 
2012-05-10 04:47:59 AM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Unfortunately atheists insists on pushing their faith on everyone else through public education.


That's almost as bad as those women that keep forcing people to suck their dicks.
 
2012-05-10 04:53:53 AM

0Icky0: First Amendment


If you look at the founding fathers you'd see most were christian as were most of the colonist. The 1st amendment was to protect against the many denominations. Most of the settlers were fleeing religious persecution themselves. But I'm quite sure you knew that already.
 
2012-05-10 05:00:19 AM

ununcle: Aigoo: In the most technical terms: Termination of pregnancy by removal/expulsion of the embryo/fetus prior to viability. In Roe v Wade, SCOTUS set this point at as early as 24 weeks, leaving the states the ability to regulate more specifically without trampling on the mother's rights (ask TX and OK women how that's working out for them...).

For my personal beliefs, no. I would not get an abortion myself. But that doesn't mean I have any right to tell anyone else what to do, or to ask anyone else to apply my personal choices and beliefs to their lives. My faith is not so fragile that it cannot handle being questioned or disagreed with. ;)

It's not about faith being fragile and it's not about woman. It's about people letting people kill babys.


Is that somehow worse than allowing people to kill fully grown humans?

Tell me, was King David - a murderer - a man after God's own heart or not? Don't beat me over the head with your Bible, son, unless you've actually sat down and read it first. I have, several times, and far more importantly, I actually do what it says. It says there is one sin that is unforgivable, and abortion isn't it. Neither is any of the garbage I hear coming out of so-called Christians' mouths that people are apparently going to burn in hell for.

While we're on the subject, no, this nation was not founded entirely on Christian principles. Go read a history book. Many of the founding fathers, including Thomas Jefferson, were Deists. Not Christians. In point of fact, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington supported the religious freedom of all faiths, including Islam.

God gave man a brain with the intent that he should use it to reason with. I suggest you attempt to do so.

My pastor taught me years ago something that remains always in the forefront of my mind: "the number one reason so many reject Christianity is the conduct of believers."

Ghandi said it better: "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
 
2012-05-10 05:02:53 AM

ununcle: 0Icky0: First Amendment

If you look at the founding fathers you'd see most were christian as were most of the colonist. The 1st amendment was to protect against the many denominations. Most of the settlers were fleeing religious persecution themselves. But I'm quite sure you knew that already.


Sorry.
The First Amendment was based on the Virginia Act for Religion Freedom. It wasn't only about Christian denominations. See what Jefferson says about it:

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan (Muslim), the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

And this protection is exactly opposite of what the first Commandment demands.

And you still haven't listed these "Christian principles" that the US was founded upon.
 
2012-05-10 05:09:48 AM

ununcle: 24 weeks is farking sickening. Is that the threshold? We're farking doomed. Why not just kill the kid when you get sick of changing a diaper?


Doomed?

Why? Is someone going to take account of all this at the end of time? I know there are some old folk legends about that, but they've turned out to have about as much truth to them as leprechauns with pots of gold.
 
2012-05-10 05:11:08 AM

Aigoo: ununcle: Aigoo: In the most technical terms: Termination of pregnancy by removal/expulsion of the embryo/fetus prior to viability. In Roe v Wade, SCOTUS set this point at as early as 24 weeks, leaving the states the ability to regulate more specifically without trampling on the mother's rights (ask TX and OK women how that's working out for them...).

For my personal beliefs, no. I would not get an abortion myself. But that doesn't mean I have any right to tell anyone else what to do, or to ask anyone else to apply my personal choices and beliefs to their lives. My faith is not so fragile that it cannot handle being questioned or disagreed with. ;)

It's not about faith being fragile and it's not about woman. It's about people letting people kill babys.

Is that somehow worse than allowing people to kill fully grown humans?

Tell me, was King David - a murderer - a man after God's own heart or not? Don't beat me over the head with your Bible, son, unless you've actually sat down and read it first. I have, several times, and far more importantly, I actually do what it says. It says there is one sin that is unforgivable, and abortion isn't it. Neither is any of the garbage I hear coming out of so-called Christians' mouths that people are apparently going to burn in hell for.

While we're on the subject, no, this nation was not founded entirely on Christian principles. Go read a history book. Many of the founding fathers, including Thomas Jefferson, were Deists. Not Christians. In point of fact, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington supported the religious freedom of all faiths, including Islam.

God gave man a brain with the intent that he should use it to reason with. I suggest you attempt to do so.

My pastor taught me years ago something that remains always in the forefront of my mind: "the number one reason so many reject Christianity is the conduct of believers."

Ghandi said it better: "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so ...


For one, I never said abortion was unforgivable. If I did or implied it I retract it. Secondly, you sound like a person after my own heart as I to have read the book cover to cover several times and despise most so called Christians. I was just pointing out,,, Ah fark it. I'm drunk and going to bed. Good night and god bless.
 
2012-05-10 05:15:42 AM
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2012-05-10 05:18:47 AM

Gothnet: ununcle: 24 weeks is farking sickening. Is that the threshold? We're farking doomed. Why not just kill the kid when you get sick of changing a diaper?

Doomed?

Why? Is someone going to take account of all this at the end of time? I know there are some old folk legends about that, but they've turned out to have about as much truth to them as leprechauns with pots of gold.


Yes.
 
2012-05-10 05:20:21 AM

ununcle: Gothnet: ununcle: 24 weeks is farking sickening. Is that the threshold? We're farking doomed. Why not just kill the kid when you get sick of changing a diaper?

Doomed?

Why? Is someone going to take account of all this at the end of time? I know there are some old folk legends about that, but they've turned out to have about as much truth to them as leprechauns with pots of gold.

Yes.


Proof?
 
2012-05-10 05:29:53 AM

ununcle: Yes.


I dunno. Wee Man probably made a ton of bread off Jackass.
 
2012-05-10 05:30:28 AM

0Icky0: Sorry.
The First Amendment was based on the Virginia Act for Religion Freedom. It wasn't only about Christian denominations. See what Jefferson says about it:

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan (Muslim), the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

And this protection is exactly opposite of what the first Commandment demands.

And you still haven't listed these "Christian principles" that the US was founded upon.


I said "most" were Christian. I probably should've said almost "none" were farking athiest and almost "all" believed in a creator. Is that better? Or do you still believe some of the founding fathers were freaking Muslim?
 
2012-05-10 05:31:41 AM

Gothnet: ununcle: Gothnet: ununcle: 24 weeks is farking sickening. Is that the threshold? We're farking doomed. Why not just kill the kid when you get sick of changing a diaper?

Doomed?

Why? Is someone going to take account of all this at the end of time? I know there are some old folk legends about that, but they've turned out to have about as much truth to them as leprechauns with pots of gold.

Yes.

Proof?


Sorry no link. Ya gotta die for that.
 
2012-05-10 05:37:02 AM

ununcle: Sorry no link. Ya gotta die for that.


So how do you know? Or have you returned from beyond?
 
2012-05-10 05:40:49 AM

Gothnet: ununcle: Sorry no link. Ya gotta die for that.

So how do you know? Or have you returned from beyond?


No. Just a guess. Kill as many baby's as you want. It's like,, just my opinion man.
 
2012-05-10 05:44:40 AM

Osomatic: Ambivalence: A-freaking-men.

Atheists may not THINK they're proslytizing, but some of them take the "smug superiority" thing way so far it's hard to tell. Sure they're not telling anyone they're going to hell for not believing, they're just telling people they're clinically insane and/or retarded for believing God exists.

How is that better? Both sides need to STFU and check their egos.

You know, if we were discussing politics, and I thought you had a really stupid opinion, I'd try to prove you wrong. Even if we were arguing about even something inane, like Mac vs. PC, I would try to make a case for my point of view. I might even call you nuts or stupid. (Not really, but if I did, it's unlikely anyone would freak out about it.)

So why is religion different? Why is religion protected from any questioning? Why is it not okay to challenge a person's beliefs about god? Okay, so you don't have to be a jerk about it, but look at the reaction to various books questioning the existence of god. "Militant atheists! Shrill, attacksome!" And you will surely never read a news article that so much as questions a person's right to hold horrible, bigoted opinions, as long as they present themselves as holding these beliefs for religious reasons.

Why isn't it okay to question a person's religious beliefs? Or at least point out the rather overwhelming lack of evidence? Or the sheer illogic of an eternal, omniscient supreme being? Is people's faith that tenuous, that they're terrified of anyone poking at it a bit in case it crumbles?


I agree with you except for the bolded part.

I'm not saying that an eternal, omniscient supreme being exists. I don't know if it does or not. But I also don't think it's any more mind boggling than a universe that popped into existence from nothing, and for no reason. I've heard people explain this puzzle as being the result of the laws of physics. That's fine and it makes sense. But then we're still right back where we started from. Where and how did these laws of physics come to be?

Anyone who's really honest about this sort of thing can only really say 'I don't know'. The reason anything exists is probably something we will never get to the bottom of.
 
2012-05-10 05:48:54 AM

ununcle: Gothnet: ununcle: Sorry no link. Ya gotta die for that.

So how do you know? Or have you returned from beyond?

No. Just a guess. Kill as many baby's as you want. It's like,, just my opinion man.


Awesome, will do.

If you wanted to know why I was picking on you there, I found the term "Doomed" interesting. If you called it "sick", immoral or whatever else, it would have been par for the course. "Well, we're pretty much farked now!" is an interesting reaction.
 
2012-05-10 05:50:39 AM

CapnBlues: A friend of mine put it this way:

You know that feeling you got when you were a little kid and realized that santa claus was bullpoo, but your friend hadn't put the pieces together yet? Where you try gently at first to tell your friend that it's all a lie? And then gradually you tried harder until you got a little mean? And even then your friend wouldn't accept it and just got really mad at you?

That's the feeling atheists have when they talk to believers about God.


I'm an atheist but I'm going to point out the flaw in your statement. The kid who knows Santa is a lie has some proof. He caught mom and dad setting up the presents. Atheists really have no proof. As an atheist I certainly don't feel like you described. In fact I'd probably consider you one of the annoying ageist of which there are many.

I have some very close religious friends. My wife is a Christian and goes to church every Sunday. We get along great because we don't push our beliefs on each other nor look down at the other. I agree some atheists are just as annoying as the evangelical Christians.
 
2012-05-10 06:02:28 AM

Gothnet: If you wanted to know why I was picking on you there, I found the term "Doomed" interesting. If you called it "sick", immoral or whatever else, it would have been par for the course. "Well, we're pretty much farked now!" is an interesting reaction.


Religion aside, if women are aborting babys because they wanted a boy or a girl instead of what's in there belly I think it is sick. I think we are as a culture on a fast track to oblivion if our own humanity has been so deluded to call that birth control. I'm a man, and I'll never hold a child in my body, so I guess i just don't understand. Maybe I'm being judgmental. I just don't understand.
 
2012-05-10 06:11:45 AM
I eschewed my religious upbringing at about the age of 26 (after 8 slowly evolving years of questioning the faith assumed upon me) and was assertive at first for a good reason because I was pissed about being lied to, since birth and with no choice in the matter, and I had based all of my important decisions in life upon invisible men hovering about and influencing me on a minute-by-minute basis. It took a good 8 or 10 more years to settle down and be tolerant after that.

Had I not been brainwashed from birth in the first place, it would've been a different story. I'm a laid back, positive person by nature...

/Mind Virus
 
2012-05-10 06:18:06 AM

SuwonROKs: CapnBlues: A friend of mine put it this way:

You know that feeling you got when you were a little kid and realized that santa claus was bullpoo, but your friend hadn't put the pieces together yet? Where you try gently at first to tell your friend that it's all a lie? And then gradually you tried harder until you got a little mean? And even then your friend wouldn't accept it and just got really mad at you?

That's the feeling atheists have when they talk to believers about God.

I'm an atheist but I'm going to point out the flaw in your statement. The kid who knows Santa is a lie has some proof. He caught mom and dad setting up the presents. Atheists really have no proof. As an atheist I certainly don't feel like you described. In fact I'd probably consider you one of the annoying ageist of which there are many.

I have some very close religious friends. My wife is a Christian and goes to church every Sunday. We get along great because we don't push our beliefs on each other nor look down at the other. I agree some atheists are just as annoying as the evangelical Christians.


So many people compare Christ to Santa because both are a social construct. But, most people can tell the difference between a mythical fat guy with elves and a person who changed the course of history..
 
2012-05-10 06:22:13 AM

ununcle:
Religion aside, if women are aborting babys because they wanted a boy or a girl instead of what's in there belly I think it is sick. I think we are as a culture on a fast track to oblivion if our own humanity has been so deluded to call that birth control. I'm a man, and I'll never hold a child in my body, so I guess i just don't understand. Maybe I'm being judgmental. I just don't understand.


Meh, I think that's pretty sick to.

I only know one woman in my life that's had an abortion, others may have done but not talked about it, it's not really something that comes up in conversation. It was at her then-boyfriend's insistence. It was traumatic and haunted her for years (still does most likely, I don't see so much of her any more). I absolutely support a woman's right to an abortion, I find shock videos and targeting doctors repellant behaviour and protests against clinics to be counterproductive and wrong. However I hope that as a society we can help make it as rare as possible by encouraging responsible use of birth control, and by supporting women that don't feel they have a choice.
 
2012-05-10 06:22:15 AM
Obvious tag on vacation?
 
2012-05-10 06:23:23 AM

ununcle: So many people compare Christ to Santa because both are a social construct. But, most people can tell the difference between a mythical fat guy with elves and a person who changed the course of history..


I didn't know jesus was fat! And I'm pretty sure those were apostles, not elves....
 
2012-05-10 06:26:18 AM

Ow My Balls: I eschewed my religious upbringing at about the age of 26 (after 8 slowly evolving years of questioning the faith assumed upon me) and was assertive at first for a good reason because I was pissed about being lied to, since birth and with no choice in the matter, and I had based all of my important decisions in life upon invisible men hovering about and influencing me on a minute-by-minute basis. It took a good 8 or 10 more years to settle down and be tolerant after that.

Had I not been brainwashed from birth in the first place, it would've been a different story. I'm a laid back, positive person by nature...

/Mind Virus


There's two possibilities here.

Either you were too slow to start sieving the facts from the fiction early on like most people are wont to do. It's not exactly a big mental leap from Santa is my parents to this god is the priest.

Or you were too slow to grasp the nuggets of wisdom hidden in the religion you feel was foisted upon you and resent your own failure to find sound advice in parable form useful.

Either way you now lash out blindly at people who had your best interests in mind and resent them for your own inability to to puzzle out something of value that's been helpful enough that a large group of people have kept it alive and well to this very day.

Mind virus, indeed.
 
2012-05-10 06:26:39 AM

ununcle: Religion aside, if women are aborting babys because they wanted a boy or a girl instead of what's in there belly I think it is sick. I think we are as a culture on a fast track to oblivion if our own humanity has been so deluded to call that birth control. I'm a man, and I'll never hold a child in my body, so I guess i just don't understand. Maybe I'm being judgmental. I just don't understand.


Also I think that situation you've described, a lot like late-term abortions, is pretty damn rare. I know some people have mooted the idea of using IVF technique to select the gender of the implanted embryos, and I'm not sure if that actually happens anyway, but I've never heard of people aborting due to gender.
 
2012-05-10 06:35:31 AM
Most smug atheist are probably a bunch of college kids who just took Philosophy 101.
 
2012-05-10 06:36:49 AM

Gothnet: ununcle:
Religion aside, if women are aborting babys because they wanted a boy or a girl instead of what's in there belly I think it is sick. I think we are as a culture on a fast track to oblivion if our own humanity has been so deluded to call that birth control. I'm a man, and I'll never hold a child in my body, so I guess i just don't understand. Maybe I'm being judgmental. I just don't understand.

Meh, I think that's pretty sick to.

I only know one woman in my life that's had an abortion, others may have done but not talked about it, it's not really something that comes up in conversation. It was at her then-boyfriend's insistence. It was traumatic and haunted her for years (still does most likely, I don't see so much of her any more). I absolutely support a woman's right to an abortion, I find shock videos and targeting doctors repellant behaviour and protests against clinics to be counterproductive and wrong. However I hope that as a society we can help make it as rare as possible by encouraging responsible use of birth control, and by supporting women that don't feel they have a choice.


I've been married twice. Both of my wives had abortions. Neither were from me (thank god), both had them when they were in there teens. Both cried about it consistently. I tried to console saying they were to young to realize, but it was farkin heavy. . I can't imagine what their situation was, but it was serious farkin baggage. That's my experience with it and I saw it in there eye's and it wasn't so "fire and forget".
 
2012-05-10 06:39:04 AM

Gothnet: ununcle: Religion aside, if women are aborting babys because they wanted a boy or a girl instead of what's in there belly I think it is sick. I think we are as a culture on a fast track to oblivion if our own humanity has been so deluded to call that birth control. I'm a man, and I'll never hold a child in my body, so I guess i just don't understand. Maybe I'm being judgmental. I just don't understand.

Also I think that situation you've described, a lot like late-term abortions, is pretty damn rare. I know some people have mooted the idea of using IVF technique to select the gender of the implanted embryos, and I'm not sure if that actually happens anyway, but I've never heard of people aborting due to gender.


I just read an article about it the other day and it touched a nerve.
 
2012-05-10 06:43:17 AM

ununcle: I've been married twice. Both of my wives had abortions. Neither were from me (thank god), both had them when they were in there teens. Both cried about it consistently. I tried to console saying they were to young to realize, but it was farkin heavy. . I can't imagine what their situation was, but it was serious farkin baggage. That's my experience with it and I saw it in there eye's and it wasn't so "fire and forget".


Well exactly, which is a great reason to offer counselling, birth control, education, support etc.
Not a great reason to make it illegal (if you do that people will do it anyway, and many young women will die), and not a great reason for laying on guilt and judgement on top of trauma.

I think the idea that there is a class of women that don't take it seriously, and that get abortions regularly because they don't care for the pill or condoms, is a false and dangerous one. It's not a casual thing.

OTOH, as mere men, we're probably making all sorts of presumptions and errors here.
 
2012-05-10 06:45:28 AM

Gothnet: ununcle: So many people compare Christ to Santa because both are a social construct. But, most people can tell the difference between a mythical fat guy with elves and a person who changed the course of history..

I didn't know jesus was fat! And I'm pretty sure those were apostles, not elves....


The fatted calf? Also every one at the year one were like 4'5 so yeah? I'm not sure about the pointy ears though.
 
2012-05-10 06:51:33 AM

Gothnet: ununcle: I've been married twice. Both of my wives had abortions. Neither were from me (thank god), both had them when they were in there teens. Both cried about it consistently. I tried to console saying they were to young to realize, but it was farkin heavy. . I can't imagine what their situation was, but it was serious farkin baggage. That's my experience with it and I saw it in there eye's and it wasn't so "fire and forget".

Well exactly, which is a great reason to offer counselling, birth control, education, support etc.
Not a great reason to make it illegal (if you do that people will do it anyway, and many young women will die), and not a great reason for laying on guilt and judgement on top of trauma.

I think the idea that there is a class of women that don't take it seriously, and that get abortions regularly because they don't care for the pill or condoms, is a false and dangerous one. It's not a casual thing.

OTOH, as mere men, we're probably making all sorts of presumptions and errors here.


I'm not for making it illegal. Any true Christian shouldn't. I think teens should be protected from the so called "councilwomen" though.
 
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