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2012-05-09 06:29:18 PM  
Sorry precious, but asking you not to proselytize me is not somehow equal to me trying to convert you to my faith. You have a point, but the route you take to get there just doesn't work.
 
2012-05-09 06:31:51 PM  
so vote republican.
 
2012-05-09 06:38:41 PM  
No... no they aren't
 
2012-05-09 06:44:42 PM  
How does one become a born-again atheist? Do I need to get smothered in a blanket? What do I say when I go door to door? How does this work? I think I'll just stick to being a militant atheist, the clothes selection seems a bit better.
 
2012-05-09 06:47:54 PM  
A-freaking-men.

Atheists may not THINK they're proslytizing, but some of them take the "smug superiority" thing way so far it's hard to tell. Sure they're not telling anyone they're going to hell for not believing, they're just telling people they're clinically insane and/or retarded for believing God exists.

How is that better? Both sides need to STFU and check their egos.
 
2012-05-09 06:59:31 PM  
Born again atheists are douchebags on the internet

Born again religious people codify their bigotry and hatreds into state law.

BOTH SIDES ARE BAD
 
2012-05-09 06:59:33 PM  

Ambivalence: A-freaking-men.

Atheists may not THINK they're proslytizing, but some of them take the "smug superiority" thing way so far it's hard to tell. Sure they're not telling anyone they're going to hell for not believing, they're just telling people they're clinically insane and/or retarded for believing God exists.

How is that better? Both sides need to STFU and check their egos.


What's important is that you've informed us of your smug superiority to both groups.
 
2012-05-09 07:03:05 PM  

Cagey B: How is that better? Both sides need to STFU and check their egos.

What's important is that you've informed us of your smug superiority to both groups.


I'm not superior to anyone. That's why that attitude pisses me off.
 
2012-05-09 07:05:20 PM  

Ambivalence: A-freaking-men.

Atheists may not THINK they're proslytizing, but some of them take the "smug superiority" thing way so far it's hard to tell. Sure they're not telling anyone they're going to hell for not believing, they're just telling people they're clinically insane and/or retarded for believing God exists.

How is that better? Both sides need to STFU and check their egos.


I've never met an atheist who goes door to door and tries to convince religious people that they are retarded for basing their life on a fairly tale. They may think that, but any incident of some atheist trying to directly convince a religious person to give up religion would be extremely rare, to say that least.

I personally have, however, repeatedly and often, been told by religious persons of various faiths--including some who came to my house uninvited and confronted me in person in my own home--that I was sure to fry in Hell unless I adopted their particular religious beliefs. In fact, it's a central tenet of the majority religion in my country to personally confront people and attempt to convince them to join the religion, and to bring them the "good news" that if a person doesn't start believing their particular flavor of fairy tale, that person can expect to be tossed into the Lake o' Fire and poked in the ass with pitchforks by little demons for all eternity.

To equate the two, and to to imply that they're the same, is simply asinine.
 
2012-05-09 07:14:16 PM  

Ambivalence: A-freaking-men.

Atheists may not THINK they're proslytizing, but some of them take the "smug superiority" thing way so far it's hard to tell. Sure they're not telling anyone they're going to hell for not believing, they're just telling people they're clinically insane and/or retarded for believing God exists.

How is that better? Both sides need to STFU and check their egos.


You know, if we were discussing politics, and I thought you had a really stupid opinion, I'd try to prove you wrong. Even if we were arguing about even something inane, like Mac vs. PC, I would try to make a case for my point of view. I might even call you nuts or stupid. (Not really, but if I did, it's unlikely anyone would freak out about it.)

So why is religion different? Why is religion protected from any questioning? Why is it not okay to challenge a person's beliefs about god? Okay, so you don't have to be a jerk about it, but look at the reaction to various books questioning the existence of god. "Militant atheists! Shrill, attacksome!" And you will surely never read a news article that so much as questions a person's right to hold horrible, bigoted opinions, as long as they present themselves as holding these beliefs for religious reasons.

Why isn't it okay to question a person's religious beliefs? Or at least point out the rather overwhelming lack of evidence? Or the sheer illogic of an eternal, omniscient supreme being? Is people's faith that tenuous, that they're terrified of anyone poking at it a bit in case it crumbles?
 
2012-05-09 07:21:22 PM  

Aarontology: Born again atheists are douchebags on the internet

Born again religious people codify their bigotry and hatreds into state law.

BOTH SIDES ARE BAD


What I hear you saying is that people with opinions are irritating. I agree.

Opinions are like hemorrhoids: any asshole can have one.
 
2012-05-09 07:23:38 PM  

Cyberluddite: Ambivalence: A-freaking-men.

Atheists may not THINK they're proslytizing, but some of them take the "smug superiority" thing way so far it's hard to tell. Sure they're not telling anyone they're going to hell for not believing, they're just telling people they're clinically insane and/or retarded for believing God exists.

How is that better? Both sides need to STFU and check their egos.

I've never met an atheist who goes door to door and tries to convince religious people that they are retarded for basing their life on a fairly tale. They may think that, but any incident of some atheist trying to directly convince a religious person to give up religion would be extremely rare, to say that least.

I personally have, however, repeatedly and often, been told by religious persons of various faiths--including some who came to my house uninvited and confronted me in person in my own home--that I was sure to fry in Hell unless I adopted their particular religious beliefs. In fact, it's a central tenet of the majority religion in my country to personally confront people and attempt to convince them to join the religion, and to bring them the "good news" that if a person doesn't start believing their particular flavor of fairy tale, that person can expect to be tossed into the Lake o' Fire and poked in the ass with pitchforks by little demons for all eternity.

To equate the two, and to to imply that they're the same, is simply asinine.


And that completely misses my point. We are all ignorant mortal slobs trying to figure out what's what in this world. For someone to go around and act like they have all the answers is, at best misguided, at worst deceptive. And this is completely regardless of whether they're theist or atheist.

Also, I'm not trying to lump all atheists together anymore than I'm trying to lump all theists together. But there is a certain group of ANTI-theistic atheists that are just as bad as "helfire and damnation" theists. I don't consider myself in either camp. And from the outside looking in, both sides are ridiculous and disrespectful and need a reality check. You can sit there and parse how THEIR side is douchier than YOUR side all you want, it's all douchey from where I'm sitting.
 
2012-05-09 07:26:07 PM  

Ambivalence: For someone to go around and act like they have all the answers is, at best misguided, at worst deceptive.


Aaaand there's your strawman, folks.
 
2012-05-09 07:28:58 PM  

Ambivalence: Cyberluddite: Ambivalence: A-freaking-men.

Atheists may not THINK they're proslytizing, but some of them take the "smug superiority" thing way so far it's hard to tell. Sure they're not telling anyone they're going to hell for not believing, they're just telling people they're clinically insane and/or retarded for believing God exists.

How is that better? Both sides need to STFU and check their egos.

I've never met an atheist who goes door to door and tries to convince religious people that they are retarded for basing their life on a fairly tale. They may think that, but any incident of some atheist trying to directly convince a religious person to give up religion would be extremely rare, to say that least.

I personally have, however, repeatedly and often, been told by religious persons of various faiths--including some who came to my house uninvited and confronted me in person in my own home--that I was sure to fry in Hell unless I adopted their particular religious beliefs. In fact, it's a central tenet of the majority religion in my country to personally confront people and attempt to convince them to join the religion, and to bring them the "good news" that if a person doesn't start believing their particular flavor of fairy tale, that person can expect to be tossed into the Lake o' Fire and poked in the ass with pitchforks by little demons for all eternity.

To equate the two, and to to imply that they're the same, is simply asinine.

And that completely misses my point. We are all ignorant mortal slobs trying to figure out what's what in this world. For someone to go around and act like they have all the answers is, at best misguided, at worst deceptive. And this is completely regardless of whether they're theist or atheist.

Also, I'm not trying to lump all atheists together anymore than I'm trying to lump all theists together. But there is a certain group of ANTI-theistic atheists that are just as bad as "helfire and damnation" theists. I don't c ...


Way to completely ignore the points being made to you. Guess you'd have to in order to be able to continue looking down your nose at us slobs.
 
2012-05-09 07:29:19 PM  
I'll have to take this person's word for it. I've never met a "born-again atheist."

Then again, I've never met a "Marxist" either, though I'm told on a daily basis that both of these groups are everywhere, waiting to pounce.
 
2012-05-09 07:35:28 PM  

Ambivalence: Also, I'm not trying to lump all atheists together anymore than I'm trying to lump all theists together. But there is a certain group of ANTI-theistic atheists that are just as bad as "helfire and damnation" theists.


In my experience, this doesn't describe many atheists. Most atheists are open to other ideas, but don't believe in any religion or "evidence" of any god that they've been presented with.

Most of the so-called smugness tends to come out when discussing a societal or political issue that is heavily influenced by religion (Christianity in America.) I truly believe the vast majority of atheists don't give a fark what you believe, but when someone directly or indirectly tries to force their faith on us, we may get a little farking snippy. BIG DIFFERENCE.
 
2012-05-09 07:40:51 PM  

Osomatic: You know, if we were discussing politics, and I thought you had a really stupid opinion, I'd try to prove you wrong. Even if we were arguing about even something inane, like Mac vs. PC, I would try to make a case for my point of view. I might even call you nuts or stupid. (Not really, but if I did, it's unlikely anyone would freak out about it.)


See, this is part of the problem. Religion and politics are steeped in opinions and perception and dominated by emotion. No matter how right you think you are, there is no way to disprove someone's opinion. There is no way to reason with or invalidate someone's emotions. All of a person's emotions are valid, they may not be healthy, but they're valid. So, regardless of whether it's politics or religion, why would you want to try and convince them of anything? You can't make people believe anything they don't want to. The best you can do is try to guide them into a moment of "self-discovery", but even that's mostly hit or miss.

When I was younger I grappled with the question of whether God existed until one day I came to a realization that it doesn't FARKING MATTER. It doesn't matter if God exists or not. I know, with absolute certainty, that *I* exist. I know with a lesser, but still very firm certainty that YOU exist and that the world exists.

I can't help what you do. I can't live your life for you. I can't make your decisions for you. But I can help what *I* do. I can live my own life on my terms becuase I'm the only one that has to live with myself. I can make my own decisions and my own mistakes, and let others make theirs.

God will have to take care of Himself, if he exists, just as I have to take care of myself. What other people believe, doesn't matter. That's their lives. That's what THEY have to live with. Who am I to tell them they're crazy or destined for hell?

That is why it bothers me. That is why I don't like it when people are judgemental or condemn others as stupid or sinful. You exist. Is that really the person you want to be? Is that really the journey you want to take? Do you really have any idea what is at the end of that journey?
 
2012-05-09 07:43:59 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Way to completely ignore the points being made to you. Guess you'd have to in order to be able to continue looking down your nose at us slobs.


I do recall counting myself among the slobs. Or did you not notice that.
 
2012-05-09 07:48:29 PM  

Ambivalence: When I was younger I grappled with the question of whether God existed until one day I came to a realization that it doesn't FARKING MATTER. It doesn't matter if God exists or not. I know, with absolute certainty, that *I* exist. I know with a lesser, but still very firm certainty that YOU exist and that the world exists.

I can't help what you do. I can't live your life for you. I can't make your decisions for you. But I can help what *I* do. I can live my own life on my terms becuase I'm the only one that has to live with myself. I can make my own decisions and my own mistakes, and let others make theirs.

God will have to take care of Himself, if he exists, just as I have to take care of myself. What other people believe, doesn't matter. That's their lives. That's what THEY have to live with. Who am I to tell them they're crazy or destined for hell?

That is why it bothers me. That is why I don't like it when people are judgemental or condemn others as stupid or sinful. You exist. Is that really the person you want to be? Is that really the journey you want to take? Do you really have any idea what is at the end of that journey?


It's OK, back when I was in college, I used to say shiat like this too and actually convince myself that it was really profound and meaningful and that other people might actually care to hear it. Then eventually I stopped smoking lots of pot, and I suddenly realized it was all bullshiat.
 
2012-05-09 07:53:02 PM  
Well, this certainly makes me proud to be a born again solipsist.

I go door to door telling people they don't exist.
 
2012-05-09 07:55:17 PM  

toraque: Well, this certainly makes me proud to be a born again solipsist.

I go door to door telling people they don't exist.


LOL! that's awesome.
 
2012-05-09 07:56:57 PM  

Ambivalence: The My Little Pony Killer: Way to completely ignore the points being made to you. Guess you'd have to in order to be able to continue looking down your nose at us slobs.

I do recall counting myself among the slobs. Or did you not notice that.


An empty gesture, as the rest of your words came from atop a pedestal.
 
2012-05-09 07:59:19 PM  
Bless this thread!
 
2012-05-09 08:00:37 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Ambivalence: The My Little Pony Killer: Way to completely ignore the points being made to you. Guess you'd have to in order to be able to continue looking down your nose at us slobs.

I do recall counting myself among the slobs. Or did you not notice that.

An empty gesture, as the rest of your words came from atop a pedestal.


Ohhh...kay. Considering I'm the one that wrote them, please forgive me if I don't take your word that that is what I "really meant".

Good evening.
 
2012-05-09 08:07:03 PM  

Ambivalence: Osomatic: You know, if we were discussing politics, and I thought you had a really stupid opinion, I'd try to prove you wrong. Even if we were arguing about even something inane, like Mac vs. PC, I would try to make a case for my point of view. I might even call you nuts or stupid. (Not really, but if I did, it's unlikely anyone would freak out about it.)

See, this is part of the problem. Religion and politics are steeped in opinions and perception and dominated by emotion. No matter how right you think you are, there is no way to disprove someone's opinion. There is no way to reason with or invalidate someone's emotions. All of a person's emotions are valid, they may not be healthy, but they're valid. So, regardless of whether it's politics or religion, why would you want to try and convince them of anything? You can't make people believe anything they don't want to. The best you can do is try to guide them into a moment of "self-discovery", but even that's mostly hit or miss.


Listen. Believe me, I would be ever so happy if I never again had to discuss religion with anybody. I think 99.99% of atheists feel the same way. If every person of faith just kept it to themselves, I sincerely doubt you'd find almost any atheists bothering to say anything about it.

But that's not how it is. In most countries outside of Europe, religion is a big goddamned deal. It dominates people's lives, no matter how they believe. Even in the USA where there is supposed to be freedom of religion (and the freedom not to have religion), you see the influence every day. Look at what happened in North Carolina yesterday. Can you imagine an openly atheist or agnostic person running for President and winning?

So believe me, I'm not out there starting these arguments, but every day my life and other people's lives are affected by other people's beliefs. Given that, I don't see why it's not okay to question the basis for their opinions.
 
2012-05-09 08:17:38 PM  

Osomatic: Listen. Believe me, I would be ever so happy if I never again had to discuss religion with anybody. I think 99.99% of atheists feel the same way. If every person of faith just kept it to themselves, I sincerely doubt you'd find almost any atheists bothering to say anything about it.


But you DON'T have to reciprocate. When someone's being a jerk, you don't HAVE to be a jerk back to them. Just say "I disagree." and walk away. Leave them to yell at clouds. You don't have to feed into the cycle. I'm sure this comes as no surprise to you, but it's not just the internet one finds trolls. Some people will pick verbal fights with others because they want them to fight back. It's how they validate themselves. Surely if this sinner is so vehemently against me, I must be on the side of right. I see this in discussions of religion and politics, both. They're interchangable these days.

If you do really want to get their goat do the "Awww...bless your heart" them. Or "Awww, it's so unfortunate you feel that way." People who are yelling, don't know how to handle people who don't yell back.

And yes there are repressive religions in other countries. But we're not IN those contries. And in spite of what some people want, we will never BE one of those countries. We have the freedom and luxury of NOT killing each other over religion or politics or whatnot.
 
2012-05-09 09:08:39 PM  

Ambivalence: But there is a certain group of ANTI-theistic atheists that are just as bad as "helfire and damnation" theists.


The worst atheists try to ban nativity scenes and troll with billboards.

The worst fire and brimstone theists try to make it so rape victims have to carry the baby to term even if it will cause death to the mother, prevent gay people from getting married, try to get evolution taken out of the school curriculum nationwide and preach the prosperity gospel to fleece retirees.

The first group is annoying, the second group is something else entirely. The vast majority of the religious people I know are awesome and I have no issue with their faith, but if we are just talking about the worst of the loud cheerleaders for either side, it's not really a contest.
 
2012-05-09 09:12:08 PM  
They certainly can be.

The argument that all atheists are a group of some persecuted but amiable group doesn't born out by reality. Those people do exist, but those who actually speak on on atheism are frequently from the "I don't really understand how to make an argument without sounding like an asshole" camp.

/deist on a good day, agnostic usually
 
2012-05-09 09:14:13 PM  
Agreed. They are both bad.

Atheists refuse to understand that our country was founded on religion and remains an important part of our society. Their whole smug attitude seems to be the knowledge that there is no God, even though they have no proof either way.

Born again people are just farking idiots, likely because of all of the drugs and alcohol they took before they discovered God.

Agnosticism is where it's at baby. Best of both worlds, one day I can be like I farking love Nature and the next day I can thank the invisible sky god for everything I have without acknowledging that he exists or that major tenets of the Christian religion came from an old dehydrated guy who went up a mountain on a vision quest and had a conversation with a farking tree.
 
2012-05-09 09:14:42 PM  
I'm drinking Dr. Pepper, if that gives you any indication which side I'm on.
 
2012-05-09 09:21:42 PM  

GreenAdder: I'm drinking Dr. Pepper, if that gives you any indication which side I'm on.


Can't go wrong with an ice cold Pepper.
 
2012-05-09 09:47:15 PM  
I don't know, man.

I just think we should all get high together and watch episodes of Stargate: SG-1 or something. Maybe put on some tunes and the blacklight after a while
 
2012-05-09 10:02:58 PM  
so vote Buddhist
 
2012-05-09 10:03:31 PM  
Obvious tag on hiatus?
 
2012-05-09 10:03:45 PM  
Tag should be obvious.
 
2012-05-09 10:04:32 PM  
i466.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-09 10:05:00 PM  
Why can't everyone just frickin' get along?

Culture.

And money.

And sex.

Yeah,

Cognitive Dissonance.

Heh.

;)
 
2012-05-09 10:05:00 PM  
When you fark'em, they're true believers.
 
2012-05-09 10:05:04 PM  
[newsflash] Overly vocal zealots are annoying.

Speaking up only to tell you to shut up is not being overly vocal.

You lose.
 
2012-05-09 10:05:08 PM  
I think it's important to realize that most people are assholes and suck to be around.

Whether you're religious or not, don't be that guy.
 
2012-05-09 10:05:11 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I'll have to take this person's word for it. I've never met a "born-again atheist."

Then again, I've never met a "Marxist" either, though I'm told on a daily basis that both of these groups are everywhere, waiting to pounce.


I met quite a few in college.
 
2012-05-09 10:05:28 PM  
if people from either group talk about it? Yes, yes they are.
 
2012-05-09 10:05:35 PM  

Oafmeel: When you fark'em, they're true believers.


Oh snap.
 
2012-05-09 10:07:12 PM  

kronicfeld: Ambivalence: For someone to go around and act like they have all the answers is, at best misguided, at worst deceptive.

Aaaand there's your strawman, folks.


Yep.

Also, someone needs to post the obligatory xkcd.
 
2012-05-09 10:07:27 PM  
I went to college in East Texas, so the jeebus nattering was constant and perpetual. So if me rolling my eyes or asking you to shut up about it for a minute irritates you, too farking bad.
 
2012-05-09 10:07:31 PM  
F*ckin' eh, they are.
 
2012-05-09 10:07:44 PM  
Atheist love to push crap like this on us:

wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com

Truth is atheist have committed genocide in the name of their religion. The Chinese are using a "breed them out" and thin them out by building a train in and out approach in Tibet to accomplish the same thing. No - it's not just a communist thing, if it's the state religion it's still being done in the name of a religion just like when the Vatican did the same thing with the crusades.

The people the last frame of the comic refers to are really agnostics who just don't give a crap. Atheist (at least Neo-Atheist) give too big of a crap to be non-religious.
 
2012-05-09 10:08:01 PM  

Winning: so vote republican.


That's it. Thread over.
 
2012-05-09 10:08:09 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I think it's important to realize that most people are assholes and suck to be around.

Whether you're religious or not, don't be that guy.


Wow, really? Yer sad, really.

I find people to be amazingly interesting and fascinating everyday.

Everyday is a new day, friend.

;)
 
2012-05-09 10:08:11 PM  
fark you in your christian privileged butt hurt subby.
 
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