Five minutes to nap time. We're going to miss nap time

DING!!

"Kinect has detected a candidate"

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Do they rage about "Ponyfags"?

If yes, they're autistic.

Wait, I thought the people who rage about Ponyfags, and the Ponyfags themselves, were both autistic.

Huh, all video games detected for me was epilepsy.

The Weeners on the article:

Aldrons Last Hope: 05/09/12 at 1:30 pm
The rise in Autism in the USA is due to the now mandatory vaccinations that have mercury in them. This fact is supported by hundreds of credible dr's. Just google it, there are vast amounts of data on the subject. The mercury also reduced children's I.Q's. This is a conspiracy of the highest order.

If you have to resort to "just google it" and "supported by hundreds of credible dr's" to try to prove something and don't provide at least 1 study, it isn't credible or supported.

400 Oak Street.

/fart

I say this as a Kinect for Windows developer:

The Kinect can do almost anything you want it to, except be a good interface for games.

Dazrin: The Weeners on the article:

Aldrons Last Hope: 05/09/12 at 1:30 pm
The rise in Autism in the USA is due to the now mandatory vaccinations that have mercury in them. This fact is supported by hundreds of credible dr's. Just google it, there are vast amounts of data on the subject. The mercury also reduced children's I.Q's. This is a conspiracy of the highest order.

If you have to resort to "just google it" and "supported by hundreds of credible dr's" to try to prove something and don't provide at least 1 study, it isn't credible or supported.

The vaccine thing is BS.

The reason the number of kids with autism spectrum disorders has risen, is that in the past 15 years they've started to recognize them as being part of the spectrum. Heck, autism itself wasn't even a recognized diagnosis 20 years ago. Before that kids would be diagnosed as anything from "retarded" to acting out. Most of the time doctors would just tell the parents the kid was anti-social or dumb and they'd be passed off onto special education teachers who also had no clue how to work with these kids as they didn't actually have any learning disorders.

Remember back when you were in school, and there were the occasional weird kid who would sit alone, not talk to anyone, or do weird things like constantly sort objects? You probably called him a tard and laughed at him. That kid today would be checked and probably found to have an ASD.

How many people died to cancer before someone figured out what cancer was? If they were keeping statistics, I'll bet the number of cancer cases went up really high the next year.

Dazrin: The Weeners on the article:

Aldrons Last Hope: 05/09/12 at 1:30 pm
The rise in Autism in the USA is due to the now mandatory vaccinations that have mercury in them. This fact is supported by hundreds of credible dr's. Just google it, there are vast amounts of data on the subject. The mercury also reduced children's I.Q's. This is a conspiracy of the highest order.

If you have to resort to "just google it" and "supported by hundreds of credible dr's" to try to prove something and don't provide at least 1 study, it isn't credible or supported.

That and they have not used the mercury preservitive in anything but flu shots for years.

MasterPython: That and they have not used the mercury preservitive in anything but flu shots for years.

The rise in autism diagnosis started years after manufacturers stopped using mercury. The saddest part of this mess: Jenny McCarthy's child ISN'T autistic!

Serial: Dazrin: The Weeners on the article:

Aldrons Last Hope: 05/09/12 at 1:30 pm
The rise in Autism in the USA is due to the now mandatory vaccinations that have mercury in them. This fact is supported by hundreds of credible dr's. Just google it, there are vast amounts of data on the subject. The mercury also reduced children's I.Q's. This is a conspiracy of the highest order.

If you have to resort to "just google it" and "supported by hundreds of credible dr's" to try to prove something and don't provide at least 1 study, it isn't credible or supported.

The vaccine thing is BS.

The reason the number of kids with autism spectrum disorders has risen, is that in the past 15 years they've started to recognize them as being part of the spectrum. Heck, autism itself wasn't even a recognized diagnosis 20 years ago. Before that kids would be diagnosed as anything from "retarded" to acting out. Most of the time doctors would just tell the parents the kid was anti-social or dumb and they'd be passed off onto special education teachers who also had no clue how to work with these kids as they didn't actually have any learning disorders.

Remember back when you were in school, and there were the occasional weird kid who would sit alone, not talk to anyone, or do weird things like constantly sort objects? You probably called him a tard and laughed at him. That kid today would be checked and probably found to have an ASD.

How many people died to cancer before someone figured out what cancer was? If they were keeping statistics, I'll bet the number of cancer cases went up really high the next year.

Well that's an interesting opinion.

Serial: Dazrin: The Weeners on the article:

Aldrons Last Hope: 05/09/12 at 1:30 pm
The rise in Autism in the USA is due to the now mandatory vaccinations that have mercury in them. This fact is supported by hundreds of credible dr's. Just google it, there are vast amounts of data on the subject. The mercury also reduced children's I.Q's. This is a conspiracy of the highest order.

If you have to resort to "just google it" and "supported by hundreds of credible dr's" to try to prove something and don't provide at least 1 study, it isn't credible or supported.

The vaccine thing is BS.

The reason the number of kids with autism spectrum disorders has risen, is that in the past 15 years they've started to recognize them as being part of the spectrum. Heck, autism itself wasn't even a recognized diagnosis 20 years ago. Before that kids would be diagnosed as anything from "retarded" to acting out. Most of the time doctors would just tell the parents the kid was anti-social or dumb and they'd be passed off onto special education teachers who also had no clue how to work with these kids as they didn't actually have any learning disorders.

Remember back when you were in school, and there were the occasional weird kid who would sit alone, not talk to anyone, or do weird things like constantly sort objects? You probably called him a tard and laughed at him. That kid today would be checked and probably found to have an ASD.

How many people died to cancer before someone figured out what cancer was? If they were keeping statistics, I'll bet the number of cancer cases went up really high the next year.

That and there are some kids that are just weird. They don't quite meet the criteria, but are diagnosed with autism (they're 'close') so they can get services. And then schools get overloaded.

You have two schools of parents. One wants the diagnosis so the kid can get services in the schools. The others are in total denial that Cznoflayke is weird and really needs to learn to talk to girls.

Marine1: I say this as a Kinect for Windows developer:

The Kinect can do almost anything you want it to, except be a good interface for games.

I like my Kinect. Every time my son stims, it resets itself.

And Animals Pals is a terrible game. Please find the dumb ass that thought a 20 minute introduction cut scene in a children's game was a good idea and kick his ass for me.

-kthnx

Dazrin:
If you have to resort to "just google it" and "supported by hundreds of credible dr's" to try to prove something and don't provide at least 1 study, it isn't credible or supported.


Oh yeah? Where's your study that supports that?

If they hook it up to Skyrim and look for signs like obsessively smithing leather helmets, health-grinding for the restoration levels, maxing Lydia's and Calder's stuff or putting all the books on the shelves in ALL my houses just so, while taking a beer drink every time there's a transition... I may be in trouble.

Marine1: I say this as a Kinect for Windows developer:

The Kinect can do almost anything you want it to, except be a good interface for games.

Have you tried Dance Central, The Gunstringer, or Child of Eden? Even Kinect Sports is pretty good. There are certain types of games that Kinect is perfectly good for, it's just that standard adventure/shooting games (Star Wars, whatever that terrible horror game was called) aren't among them.

oren0: Marine1: I say this as a Kinect for Windows developer:

The Kinect can do almost anything you want it to, except be a good interface for games.

Have you tried Dance Central, The Gunstringer, or Child of Eden? Even Kinect Sports is pretty good. There are certain types of games that Kinect is perfectly good for, it's just that standard adventure/shooting games (Star Wars, whatever that terrible horror game was called) aren't among them.

Gunstringer is fun as hell.

Serial: Dazrin: The Weeners on the article:

Aldrons Last Hope: 05/09/12 at 1:30 pm
The rise in Autism in the USA is due to the now mandatory vaccinations that have mercury in them. This fact is supported by hundreds of credible dr's. Just google it, there are vast amounts of data on the subject. The mercury also reduced children's I.Q's. This is a conspiracy of the highest order.

If you have to resort to "just google it" and "supported by hundreds of credible dr's" to try to prove something and don't provide at least 1 study, it isn't credible or supported.

The vaccine thing is BS.

The reason the number of kids with autism spectrum disorders has risen, is that in the past 15 years they've started to recognize them as being part of the spectrum. Heck, autism itself wasn't even a recognized diagnosis 20 years ago. Before that kids would be diagnosed as anything from "retarded" to acting out. Most of the time doctors would just tell the parents the kid was anti-social or dumb and they'd be passed off onto special education teachers who also had no clue how to work with these kids as they didn't actually have any learning disorders.

Remember back when you were in school, and there were the occasional weird kid who would sit alone, not talk to anyone, or do weird things like constantly sort objects? You probably called him a tard and laughed at him. That kid today would be checked and probably found to have an ASD.

How many people died to cancer before someone figured out what cancer was? If they were keeping statistics, I'll bet the number of cancer cases went up really high the next year.

natazha: MasterPython: That and they have not used the mercury preservitive in anything but flu shots for years.

The rise in autism diagnosis started years after manufacturers stopped using mercury. The saddest part of this mess: Jenny McCarthy's child ISN'T autistic!

THESE.

Autism is a disorder...it's NOT curable. My son's an ADHD Aspie and omfg....some mornings with him...I could only wish it was 'curable'.

Ten minutes to Wapner. We're definitely locked in this box with no TV.

What's an "Aspie"? Is that some type of award for kids With Asperger syndrome?

Rent Party: oren0: Marine1: I say this as a Kinect for Windows developer:

The Kinect can do almost anything you want it to, except be a good interface for games.

Have you tried Dance Central, The Gunstringer, or Child of Eden? Even Kinect Sports is pretty good. There are certain types of games that Kinect is perfectly good for, it's just that standard adventure/shooting games (Star Wars, whatever that terrible horror game was called) aren't among them.

Gunstringer is fun as hell.

But does Gunstringer do anything with the kinect that a controller couldn't do better? I've tried it out and I just ran into problems, having to make sure the game recognized my arms, when with a controller I could have just lazed back and relaxed.

oren0: Marine1: I say this as a Kinect for Windows developer:

The Kinect can do almost anything you want it to, except be a good interface for games.

Have you tried Dance Central, The Gunstringer, or Child of Eden? Even Kinect Sports is pretty good. There are certain types of games that Kinect is perfectly good for, it's just that standard adventure/shooting games (Star Wars, whatever that terrible horror game was called) aren't among them.

It's a... weird thing. Maybe I'm just used to the idea of a controller or a keyboard. I've been using it on a more data-oriented project for Mizzou's Eldercare lab. It's a revolutionary device, no doubt. I just think it's far bigger as an actual computer peripheral than it is as a gaming accessory. I mean... so many possibilities... it should be as common as the keyboard and mouse. It has that sort of potential.

Marine1: I say this as a Kinect for Windows developer:

The Kinect can do almost anything you want it to, except be a good interface for games.

This. (and the rest of the reply is to everyone else I suppose, as we already agree, me explaining to you is redundant)

It's a limited novelty item for limited novelty games, but the range of information it can supply can be useful in many other applications. Motion capture(for video making) to, well, detecting autism apparently.

For most core gamers, the input from the Kinect is just too limited. It could be cool if it worked with a VR type of system, but a static TV and detector is a huge limitation. Can't turn 360 without looking away from the display, and cannot infinitely(and naturally) give directional input. Circle strafe hop is right out.

Makes All FPS games, most driving games, and all sandbox(Skyrim/GTA) games unplayable without some other revolutionary controller scheme(or overly large articulated structures(IE steering wheels/gearshifts) that free's up the arms but not the fingers.(to retain aim/steering).

What is there isn't necessarily reliable either, as far as being a precision tool. That's what fingers and pressure sensitive buttons are designed for, and they've been evolving for decades. Kinect stands little to no chance of catching up with controllers for "real" games.

Mortimer: Rent Party: oren0: Marine1: I say this as a Kinect for Windows developer:

The Kinect can do almost anything you want it to, except be a good interface for games.

Have you tried Dance Central, The Gunstringer, or Child of Eden? Even Kinect Sports is pretty good. There are certain types of games that Kinect is perfectly good for, it's just that standard adventure/shooting games (Star Wars, whatever that terrible horror game was called) aren't among them.

Gunstringer is fun as hell.

But does Gunstringer do anything with the kinect that a controller couldn't do better? I've tried it out and I just ran into problems, having to make sure the game recognized my arms, when with a controller I could have just lazed back and relaxed.

It's a matter of opinion, obviously. To me, Gunstringer wouldn't have been the same with a controller. This is even more true with an immersive experience like Child of Eden, and obviously true for Dance Central.

oren0: Gunstringer

Convoluted Duck hunt.

oren0: Child of Eden - Dance Central

Convoluted Simon Says.

Guitar Hero

Convoluted process of Hit what buttons I tell you to, and at just the right time.
(which is why it was an explosive type of game that quickly got old for many)

Compared with the amount of input games like CoD and Skyrim need, your listed games are simplistic.

Sure they play better with the sensors, but they're designed for the sensor. Most other games are designed in the complete opposite way. The controllers are designed, generation by generation, to suit what the player wants to do(and is able to do within the current hardware). Sandbox games are booming as systems become more powerful, and the controllers are evolving to adapt to the players needs, as far as consoles go.

Kinect? Huh. I thought Sonic the Hedgehog was the definitive video-game test for autism.

Krieghund: Janusdog:
That and there are some kids that are just weird. They don't quite meet the criteria, but are diagnosed with autism (they're 'close') so they can get services. And then schools get overloaded.

You have two schools of parents. One wants the diagnosis so the kid can get services in the schools. The others are in total denial that Cznoflayke is weird and really needs to lea ...

This is exactly the situation I'm in with my kid. He's getting services from the state because the state psychologist labeled him as autistic. We went to a private clinic and they found that he's close but not actually autistic.

I figure that he needs the services anyway, and they seem to be helping. So we aren't going to pass up what we can get. But, yeah, he's just one more straw on the camel's back.

That's part of what bugs me about some science, or maybe I mean "science"(because some things as such are controversial and the science behind them is in it's infancy, ie psychology). They get so in depth on classification, as to lose meaning, or rather, defeat the original purpose, to supply aid. If a kid is in a similar state to autism and can benefit from the aid from a program for autistics, what's the point in differentiating it if that different label means no treatment is attainable?

I feel the same way about ADD. Sure, it's over-diagnosed clinically. Sometimes it is just bad parenting / bad habits. But the condition of a deficit of attention is still there, and action could be taken to help it along. Lacking genetic/behavioral markers or whatnot does not make it a perfectly "healthy" child.

Identifying that there is a problem and attempting action is more helpful by far than inferring that there is nothing wrong.

omeganuepsilon: Marine1: I say this as a Kinect for Windows developer:

The Kinect can do almost anything you want it to, except be a good interface for games.

This. (and the rest of the reply is to everyone else I suppose, as we already agree, me explaining to you is redundant)

It's a limited novelty item for limited novelty games, but the range of information it can supply can be useful in many other applications. Motion capture(for video making) to, well, detecting autism apparently.

For most core gamers, the input from the Kinect is just too limited. It could be cool if it worked with a VR type of system, but a static TV and detector is a huge limitation. Can't turn 360 without looking away from the display, and cannot infinitely(and naturally) give directional input. Circle strafe hop is right out.

Makes All FPS games, most driving games, and all sandbox(Skyrim/GTA) games unplayable without some other revolutionary controller scheme(or overly large articulated structures(IE steering wheels/gearshifts) that free's up the arms but not the fingers.(to retain aim/steering).

What is there isn't necessarily reliable either, as far as being a precision tool. That's what fingers and pressure sensitive buttons are designed for, and they've been evolving for decades. Kinect stands little to no chance of catching up with controllers for "real" games.

It's actually a quite a bit more precise than one might think. In our C# code, we're pushing 7 points of precision on joint XYZ coordinates back to the WPF application. Now, consistency is another matter. That joint location won't stay the same if you stand there. It'll stay in the same range, but as far as it staying perfectly still when you're perfectly still, forget it.

For the 3-D gaming and true VR you speak of (that would really push the Kinect over the edge), you'd need more than one Kinect, meaning you'd need much more than an Xbox 360. My laptop has a Core 2 Duo in it and it had a bit of lag in the coordinate gathering. The amount of data that just one of those things can send back to be stored/processed is huge... let alone two or three of them. It'll be interesting to see what the Xeon processor workstation I have now will do with that lag...

Dazrin: The Weeners on the article:

Aldrons Last Hope: 05/09/12 at 1:30 pm
The rise in Autism in the USA is due to the now mandatory vaccinations that have mercury in them. This fact is supported by hundreds of credible dr's. Just google it, there are vast amounts of data on the subject. The mercury also reduced children's I.Q's. This is a conspiracy of the highest order.

If you have to resort to "just google it" and "supported by hundreds of credible dr's" to try to prove something and don't provide at least 1 study, it isn't credible or supported.

Nevermind the fact that these dumbass anti-vaccine people are referencing one study, by one doctor, that was proved by multiple studies ny multiple doctors to be false cause he falsified his data. But they are the type to not let things like facts get in the way of their bullshiat

Mortimer: Rent Party: oren0: Marine1: I say this as a Kinect for Windows developer:

The Kinect can do almost anything you want it to, except be a good interface for games.

Have you tried Dance Central, The Gunstringer, or Child of Eden? Even Kinect Sports is pretty good. There are certain types of games that Kinect is perfectly good for, it's just that standard adventure/shooting games (Star Wars, whatever that terrible horror game was called) aren't among them.

Gunstringer is fun as hell.

But does Gunstringer do anything with the kinect that a controller couldn't do better? I've tried it out and I just ran into problems, having to make sure the game recognized my arms, when with a controller I could have just lazed back and relaxed.

Yes. With the Kinect I get to blow shiat up with my finger.

That's what makes Gunstringer fun as hell. The physical action to work the controller is cool. If you were just going to lazed back with a controller, it would be Red Dead Redemption on strings and boring as hell.

Marine1: you'd need more than one Kinect

Not if it and the display were mobile. Sure, it's not practical, but it could be done.

As for precision, just as you said, it's not necessarily very reliable.

Rich Cream: Dazrin:
If you have to resort to "just google it" and "supported by hundreds of credible dr's" to try to prove something and don't provide at least 1 study, it isn't credible or supported.


Oh yeah? Where's your study that supports that?

Thank you. I deserved that.

/Hangs head in shame.