TsukasaK: whidbey: In other words you prefer the honor system no matter how many people get killed in accidents. Darwin awards, right? Who cares about 'em?

Pretty much. It's not the government's job to protect people from themselves.

In other words, if I don't want to wear a seatbelt, fark you, I paid for everything involved, I'm not gonna wear the damn seatbelt.

Um, the fark you aren't. You wear it, I wear it, EVERYBODY wears it.

You mad?

HighOnCraic: Okay, fine, if you're ever in an accident and you're thrown from your car, just promise that you'll land safely somewhere on the side of the road, because if you land on the road, and there's oncoming traffic, your blood-streaked corpse might cause another accident. But hey, as long as you're absolutely sure it won't affect anyone else, it's all good.

Citation needed on the instance of deaths and/or property damage to third parties caused by bodies ejected from vehicles. Hell you could have even played the card that if you're in the car with someone else, your body bouncing around could cause a lot of damage in the event of a wreck (There was a particularly gruesome British PSA that did this angle), but no you had to go the completely absurd angle.

In the great majority of cases, if I refuse to wear a seatbelt and get injured, the harm is to nobody but myself. Cases of self harm should be out of government purview (that includes drugs, whatever). That is my stance.

whidbey: Um, the fark you aren't.

Um, the fark I am.

TsukasaK: HighOnCraic: Okay, fine, if you're ever in an accident and you're thrown from your car, just promise that you'll land safely somewhere on the side of the road, because if you land on the road, and there's oncoming traffic, your blood-streaked corpse might cause another accident. But hey, as long as you're absolutely sure it won't affect anyone else, it's all good.

Citation needed on the instance of deaths and/or property damage to third parties caused by bodies ejected from vehicles. Hell you could have even played the card that if you're in the car with someone else, your body bouncing around could cause a lot of damage in the event of a wreck (There was a particularly gruesome British PSA that did this angle), but no you had to go the completely absurd angle.

In the great majority of cases, if I refuse to wear a seatbelt and get injured, the harm is to nobody but myself. Cases of self harm should be out of government purview (that includes drugs, whatever). That is my stance.

whidbey: Um, the fark you aren't.

Um, the fark I am.

LOL SEAT BELT OUTLAW

TsukasaK, dude, just put on the farking seat belt.

ultraholland: TsukasaK, dude, just put on the farking seat belt.

Usually do. If I don't want to, it shouldn't be a legal matter.

TsukasaK: ultraholland: TsukasaK, dude, just put on the farking seat belt.

Usually do. If I don't want to, it shouldn't be a legal matter.

Welcome to society. And before you say citation needed, like you did above.

TsukasaK: In the great majority of cases, if I refuse to wear a seatbelt and get injured, the harm is to nobody but myself

Citation needed yourself.

Smackledorfer: Welcome to society.

Argument to popularity is a logical fallacy.

Smackledorfer: Citation needed yourself.

Right back at you. If I crash and get ejected from my car, that harm is on me and nobody else. That's kind of, you know.. self evident. Damage to invisible people and spectres doesn't count.

TsukasaK: Smackledorfer: Welcome to society.

Argument to popularity is a logical fallacy.

Smackledorfer: Citation needed yourself.

Right back at you. If I crash and get ejected from my car, that harm is on me and nobody else. That's kind of, you know.. self evident. Damage to invisible people and spectres doesn't count.

Point is, you can't ask for citations without giving them. That's the only reason why I told you that you should provide one too.

You are asserting that the vast majority of seat belt cases will ONLY injure the driver, never anyone in another car and never contribute to the worsening of an accident when a driver loses control due to poorly being held in place while driving. Others are saying the opposite.


You are discussing this with an assumption that because you are right, only they must provide citation. That's what I take umbrage with here.

As for society: you are driving on a road shared by everyone, paid for by everyone, with emergency responders paid for by everyone, and laws crafted with everyone in mind, not just you. You do not, by some default of freedom-style personal responsibility awesomeness, get to demand that everyone else agree to risk just to satisfy you.

Sgt Otter: TsukasaK: Smackledorfer: Welcome to society.

Argument to popularity is a logical fallacy.

Smackledorfer: Citation needed yourself.

Right back at you. If I crash and get ejected from my car, that harm is on me and nobody else. That's kind of, you know.. self evident. Damage to invisible people and spectres doesn't count.

Really? Six feet of 200 pounds of meat and bone lying in the road couldn't possibly be a traffic hazard?

And it's not remotely just about ejection.

I've done emergency driving training. without a belt if you have to push the vehicle to even 80% of it's max then you have to rely on the wheel to steady you.

That's not good. It takes a lot of control away from the driver.

thamike: Smackledorfer: I've done emergency driving training.

So you only unbuckle your seat belt during emergencies, or you keep it unbuckled in case of an emergency?


You keep your seatbelt on and secure so that your body is secured when you turn at high speeds or brake quickly. This gives you better control over your feet and your hands, so you aren't inadvertently slamming a pedal or jerking the wheel.

Primum: University of Nebraska at Lincoln student pens anti-seatbelt editorial, dies in horrible crash without his seatbelt on a couple months later.

Snopes

One of my favorite true Snopes.

So the law obviously saved him. Wait, no, the law saved the other people in the truck. Wait, no. That's not it. Well this is a mystery, but it's almost as if their own personal decisions led to their fates. It's as if each person were responsible for themselves, but I guess we'll never know.