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2012-05-09 06:47:02 PM  

pedobearapproved: goodbomb: today gay marriage, tomorrow legal weed

HAHAHAHA People who smoke weed don't vote.


bite your tongue.
 
2012-05-09 06:48:01 PM  
i.imgur.com

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2012-05-09 06:49:04 PM  

I alone am best: I am really not for anything in which the federal government is granted more power than it should have.


Well that's kind of a tautology, isn't it? "It shouldn't have more power than it should have".
 
2012-05-09 06:50:23 PM  
Plenty will vote for Obama because of this.
Not nearly enough will vote against and the right will repel the middle by trying to make it an issue.

Romney is toast.
 
2012-05-09 06:50:58 PM  

WhyteRaven74: xanadian: After reading the bit in Wikipedia, it seemed to me like Romney didn't flip OR flop. He was against gay marriage, but still was OK with some rights in a domestic partnership. Again, I could've misread it.

He was against it right up to the point he ordered town clerks to start issuing marriage licenses. And then he was against it after that.


Hmm. The way I read it, he did it because the supreme court told him to, but he cited a 1913 law when he told the clerks to issue the licenses that no out-of-staters could get one unless they were going to live in Mass.

Well...either way, even stating that he was for SOME domestic partnership rights is enough for Obama to come back at him. So there's that...
 
2012-05-09 06:53:57 PM  

I alone am best: On a side note even as a conservative I would support gay marriage on a state level. I mean, I'm not religious if you want to be gay go for it.


So how about a federal directive (such a Supreme Court verdict) that nullifies gay marriage bans across the country? It would be like "gay marriage on a state level" except 50 times as good.
 
2012-05-09 06:55:22 PM  

Aquadyne: i.imgur.com
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That is truly fabulous
 
2012-05-09 06:55:45 PM  

I alone am best: Corvus: I alone am best: He would pull that out because you know..... it does.

Then why is it that Republicans support the federal government defining marriage instead of that states?

It's the Republicans who want federal definition of marriage not Democrats.

OH YOU GOT ME! Even though your comment had nothing to do with mine. You can go to sleep knowing that you destroyed my argument that you imagined I made with your excellent debate skills.

RIDE ON LIBERAL DEFENDER! RIDE ON TO VICTORY! VINCIT OMNIA!


You were not talking about state vs. Federal defining marriage?
 
2012-05-09 06:56:22 PM  

theknuckler_33: pedobearapproved: Glad you could join the progressive ranks of Dick Cheney on this issue

[img2-cdn.newser.com image 240x160]

Glad it only took you YEARS to call the DOJ off defending DOMA in court. Glad you support getting rid of DOMA now that Democrats don't control Congress, so it's much less likely to happen. Very liberal indeed.

what could have inspired this change? campaign cash?

So, you were pissed that he didn't do this and other things earlier and now, he's done the things you wanted him to do... and you're still pissed?


I'm not pissed, I just don't think it's genuine.

He did so much damage with his DOJ, and waited until he was politically impotent to reserve the damage he'd done. Those aren't the actions of someone that was on the fence about an issue. Those are the actions of someone who is opposed but doesn't want to lose the $$$'s his base might give him. Which, maybe I am pissed, because he takes his donors as non-thinking rubes. And come to think of it, what has he done with this statement?
 
2012-05-09 06:57:42 PM  

meat0918: i.imgur.com


I'm amazed that Mitt is taking the anti-marriage equality stance considering this little gem is out there.

Now apparently he doesn't even think gays should be allowed to see their loved ones in the hospital, because, they're not human or something, so it's okay to treat them worse.

It's going to be a long 6 months.
 
2012-05-09 06:58:31 PM  

styckx: Anyone else kind of disappointed in the quality of trolling? I expected much better than what we're getting.. TRY HARDER!


Sheesh, before Obammy* can force us all to get queeried** he should at least try the straight married thing a couple more times like the rest of us. And he should probably beat his wife and kids along the way too because they're ugly***.

* - that's what I call the President when I'm drinking a Bud Light with some friends and watching NASCAR
** - a word I made up for gay married, because married is a sacred word
*** - they're ugly because I disagree with the head of their household politically

/how'd I do?
 
2012-05-09 06:58:32 PM  

WhyteRaven74: rynthetyn: I've got happy people, but then I've also got the "Obama is a flip-flopper, vote for Mitt!" stuff and posts like, "If you needed more evidence that "evolution" is a failed concept...now we have President Obama's "evolved" view on marriage to add to list," showing up.

I don't have any people like that among my friends, thankfully.


It's what happens when you grow up in the religious right and almost all of your family is conservative. The particularly crazy ones flamed and unfriended me already, these are the more sane ones. If I wasn't adverse to burning bridges with people I have to deal with in real life, I'd have pared down my friend list ages ago.
 
2012-05-09 06:58:38 PM  

pedobearapproved: I'm not pissed, I just don't think it's genuine.


You realize Obama told the DoJ to not bother with DOMA over a year ago?
 
2012-05-09 06:59:12 PM  

meat0918: Aquadyne: [i.imgur.com image 500x655]
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That is truly fabulous


It is fabulous. Now watch Romney backpedal away from the fact that he tried to advance civil rights, just like with Romneycare.
 
2012-05-09 07:00:04 PM  

rynthetyn: It's what happens when you grow up in the religious right and almost all of your family is conservative.


I grew up in the burbs of Chicago, went to high school in Chicago, I now live in Chicago, so my friends from real life are of the sane variety. And the rest of my facebook friends are Fark people. Over 200 of them.
 
2012-05-09 07:00:28 PM  

WhyteRaven74: xanadian: BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! If that's true, I hereby withdraw my concern about Obama potentially throwing the election. Seems he threw something all right... Romney. Under a motherfarking BUS.

Have you not noticed yet Obama is basically a chess grandmaster when it comes to stuff like this.


you sound absolutely giddy!
 
2012-05-09 07:01:43 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: meat0918: Aquadyne: [i.imgur.com image 500x655]
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That is truly fabulous

It is fabulous. Now watch Romney backpedal away from the fact that he tried to advance civil rights, just like with Romneycare.


I have to ask, why isn't Romney a Democrat? I mean, yeah, he's more conservative than you stereotypical Massachusetts Democrat, but he'd fit in well with the Blue Dogs.
 
2012-05-09 07:02:00 PM  

pedobearapproved: I'm not pissed, I just don't think it's genuine.

He did so much damage with his DOJ, and waited until he was politically impotent to reserve the damage he'd done. Those aren't the actions of someone that was on the fence about an issue. Those are the actions of someone who is opposed but doesn't want to lose the $$$'s his base might give him. Which, maybe I am pissed, because he takes his donors as non-thinking rubes. And come to think of it, what has he done with this statement?


Maybe it's not genuine, but so what? He's a politician, if you are expecting anything genuine from any of them, you are going to be continuously disappointed. But coming out on the correct side of an issue is always a good thing.

I'd be interested to hear what damage he did 'with his DOJ'. I'm not following you there.
 
2012-05-09 07:02:19 PM  

pedobearapproved: He did so much damage with his DOJ, and waited until he was politically impotent to reserve the damage he'd done. Those aren't the actions of someone that was on the fence about an issue. Those are the actions of someone who is opposed but doesn't want to lose the $$$'s his base might give him. Which, maybe I am pissed, because he takes his donors as non-thinking rubes. And come to think of it, what has he done with this statement?


So you just going to try to pretend repealing DADT didn't actually happen?
 
2012-05-09 07:03:23 PM  
I'm 26 years old, I'm married and I have been for 2 years the 22nd of this month, and I have never, ever understood why this is even an issue.
 
2012-05-09 07:04:19 PM  

Corvus: Ok for everyone saying "This is a great move" in this thread how many of were not going to vote for him and now you are? Or even give to his campaign?


Because I tell you what lots of independent voters or even some black and Hispanic voters are not going to vote for him if he says he supports gay marriage.

Also what will it actually accomplish? NOTHING. He already repealed DADT and no longer defends DOMA. Everything else is controlled by states. He could of "evolved" to this answer after the election and it would make no difference at all except give him more votes.


Hispanics are generally not much more homophobic than white people are. Looking at prop 8 voting data, Hispanics only voted for the amendment by less than five percentage points over the white population... And the total yes vote for hispanics was only barely over fifty percent. I don't see the Hispanic community getting very riled up over this.
 
2012-05-09 07:06:37 PM  
Rmoney then:

i.imgur.com

Rmoney now:

"When these issues were raised in my state of Massachusetts, I indicated my view, which is I do not favor marriage between people of the same gender, and I do not favor civil unions if they are identical to marriage other than by name."
 
2012-05-09 07:09:19 PM  
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2012-05-09 07:10:11 PM  

Defeated: I'm 26 years old, I'm married and I have been for 2 years the 22nd of this month, and I have never, ever understood why this is even an issue.


If you were a 60 year old Teabagger Republican gays keep you up at night.
 
2012-05-09 07:11:02 PM  

WhyteRaven74: rynthetyn: It's what happens when you grow up in the religious right and almost all of your family is conservative.

I grew up in the burbs of Chicago, went to high school in Chicago, I now live in Chicago, so my friends from real life are of the sane variety. And the rest of my facebook friends are Fark people. Over 200 of them.


Let's just say that I have facebook friends who I've known from childhood who are mutual friends with people like Flip Benham of the organization formerly known as Operation Rescue, and Wendy Wright who was the head of Concerned Women for America, and they're NOT the ones posting the batshiat insane stuff.
 
2012-05-09 07:12:08 PM  

oldfarthenry: [i149.photobucket.com image 315x275]
If you love Fartbongo so much, why don't you marry him?

Ah sh*t - I guess that signature line has lost its buzz now.


I lol'd
 
2012-05-09 07:12:11 PM  

spiderpaz: Rmoney then:

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]

Rmoney now:

"When these issues were raised in my state of Massachusetts, I indicated my view, which is I do not favor marriage between people of the same gender, and I do not favor civil unions if they are identical to marriage other than by name."


In all fairness, supporting a gay pride parade doesn't necessarily have to translate to support for gay marriage. That's not really much of a 'gotcha'.
 
2012-05-09 07:12:22 PM  

I alone am best: Dusk-You-n-Me: .@MittRomney just refused to say he supports hospital visitation rights at a federal level for gays and lesbians.- Ben LaBolt (@BenLaBolt) May 9, 2012

It's going to be loooooooooong six months, Mitt.

Yeah, he must be worried that he wont get the GLBT vote?


No. Just needs to sew up the bigot vote. Where do you stand on the civil rights act? Best left to the states? Wasn't working that way.
 
2012-05-09 07:12:25 PM  
I was at the gym this afternoon when Obama made this announcement.

A democrat friend of mine(pro life, pro marriage, pro business, very religious) who does not like Obama and was planning on sitting out this election now plans to hold his knows while voting for Romney.

He said this nonsense must end.



Never saw a hover round at a gym.
 
2012-05-09 07:14:09 PM  

fn129: Hispanics are generally not much more homophobic than white people are. Looking at prop 8 voting data, Hispanics only voted for the amendment by less than five percentage points over the white population... And the total yes vote for hispanics was only barely over fifty percent. I don't see the Hispanic community getting very riled up over this.


I had this discussion earlier and you seem to be right. But still states like North Carolina and Virgina (which Obama took in 2008) this could impact Obama's chances.

So far not one person on the left I've talked to (except for the one guy in this thread) said they were going to change their vote to Obama or donate to his campaign or volunteer over this.

It seems like many people biatched about this but now that Obama is doing something about it people don't care much. A lot like when DADT got repealed.
 
2012-05-09 07:14:43 PM  

pedobearapproved: I'm not pissed, I just don't think it's genuine.

He did so much damage with his DOJ, and waited until he was politically impotent to reserve the damage he'd done


Please explain this so-called "damage"

Thanks!
 
2012-05-09 07:14:44 PM  

rynthetyn: and they're NOT the ones posting the batshiat insane stuff.


You poor soul.
 
2012-05-09 07:16:25 PM  

Rev.K: Saturday: honeymoon. IN KENYA!


With lions! And tigers!

/Forget Norway
 
2012-05-09 07:16:27 PM  
So Obama's in the pocket of big gay

southparkstudios-intl.mtvnimages.com
 
2012-05-09 07:17:18 PM  

I alone am best: Disregarding your hyperbole. I am really not for anything in which the federal government is granted more power than it should have.


So you area against DOMA then?
Also you are against making English an "official" language of the United states?
 
2012-05-09 07:18:55 PM  
Can't wait for Daily Show and Colbert to talk about this tomorrow night. I can almost expect a comment stating that Rmoney is to the right of Dick Cheney and how that shows his transformation is complete.
 
2012-05-09 07:20:04 PM  

NateGrey: I was at the gym this afternoon when Obama made this announcement.

A democrat friend of mine(pro life, pro marriage, pro business, very religious) who does not like Obama and was planning on sitting out this election now plans to hold his knows while voting for Romney.

He said this nonsense must end.



Never saw a hover round at a gym.


Seems legit.
 
2012-05-09 07:20:05 PM  

NateGrey: Defeated: I'm 26 years old, I'm married and I have been for 2 years the 22nd of this month, and I have never, ever understood why this is even an issue.

If you were a 60 year old Teabagger Republican gays keep you up at night.


and then they step down from Congress.
 
2012-05-09 07:21:57 PM  

WhyteRaven74: rynthetyn: and they're NOT the ones posting the batshiat insane stuff.

You poor soul.


Most of the time it's entertaining. It's a useful reminder of what the other part of America actually believes, helps keep me from forgetting that people actually do believe what the Fark trolls post. But some days I'd like to smack them up the head with a two-by-four and this is one of those days.
 
2012-05-09 07:23:52 PM  

Aquadyne: [i.imgur.com image 500x655]

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Does anyone know for certain if this is authentic or a shop? I can't tell from the pixels.
 
2012-05-09 07:24:16 PM  

rynthetyn: this is one of those days.


Yeah no surprise there.
 
2012-05-09 07:25:42 PM  

Corvus: So far not one person on the left I've talked to (except for the one guy in this thread) said they were going to change their vote to Obama or donate to his campaign or volunteer over this.


First, add me to the list. I was a big donor early in 2008, then stopped donating after Senator Obama voted yes on FISA. Yes, he'd tried to amend the bill to the right, but I was pissed that he'd caved when the amendment didn't work out. This will definitely get me to start donating again. Why? See below.

Second: Some times you need to do things that are right, even if they aren't politically expedient. Yes, I'd have been happy if he'd done it sooner. Hell, I'd have been thrilled if he'd made it an issue in '08, maybe it would have changed the debate over some of the state initiatives in the last 4 years. Whatever. I'm just glad someone at his level is finally saying it. Do I think it will have a direct impact on the law? Perhaps not, since that would depend on other people having a similar bravery. But again, it's the right thing to do.

If you think it's going to hurt him come November, well then count me among those who'll be working a bit harder on his behalf.
 
2012-05-09 07:26:45 PM  

meat0918: Don't Troll Me Bro!: meat0918: Aquadyne: [i.imgur.com image 500x655]
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That is truly fabulous

It is fabulous. Now watch Romney backpedal away from the fact that he tried to advance civil rights, just like with Romneycare.

I have to ask, why isn't Romney a Democrat? I mean, yeah, he's more conservative than you stereotypical Massachusetts Democrat, but he'd fit in well with the Blue Dogs.


Give him a few months
 
2012-05-09 07:27:18 PM  

TheManofPA: Edsel: Serious Black: that bosnian sniper: make me some tea: I'm turning gay already just from Obama's statement.

Man you're behind the curve. I heard Obama say the word gay and immediately ran outside to suck the first dick I saw.

The neighbors really need to get rid of their goddamn dog.

I just got back from having sex with a toaster.

Frakking toasters.

[www.celebritydesktopwallpapers.com image 640x480]

/hot
//if this is Obama's new policy, the election is over


I'd put my penis in that toaster.
 
2012-05-09 07:27:21 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Technically, DOMA doesn't prevent states from recognizing same-sex marriage. It just says that states don't have to recognize same sex marriages from another state. So it's not really overriding states' rights.

It is, however, overriding the Full Faith and Credit clause of the US Constitution, which should show you something about all these "Constitutional literalists" on the right. That it hasn't been struck down yet is a travesty.


This is why it seems like North Carolina's Amendment One ought to be struck down as violating the US constitution. I don't understand how a state can put something into their constitution that violates the Full Faith and Credit clause of the US Constitution, and make it stick.

But I am not a lawyer, and I'm sure someone who understands this issue better than I do will be able to explain it.
 
2012-05-09 07:28:41 PM  

NateGrey: Defeated: I'm 26 years old, I'm married and I have been for 2 years the 22nd of this month, and I have never, ever understood why this is even an issue.

If you were a 60 year old Teabagger Republican gays keep you up at night.


Until they run out of lube. Then they practice self loathing bigotry for around 18 hours until the process starts anew.
 
2012-05-09 07:29:22 PM  
It's a win/win for Obama. Smart relection move/pandering.

The majority of blacks are against gay marraige but he won't lose their vote over it. If Obama cut the head off his blond mistress, blacks would still vote for him. Smart move.

All that aside, the penis goes in the vagina, not the butt hole.
 
2012-05-09 07:29:32 PM  

ciberido: This is why it seems like North Carolina's Amendment One ought to be struck down as violating the US constitution. I don't understand how a state can put something into their constitution that violates the Full Faith and Credit clause of the US Constitution, and make it stick.

But I am not a lawyer, and I'm sure someone who understands this issue better than I do will be able to explain it.


I think that argument has been made (and is being made). It will take a USSC decision to do the smiting, though.
 
2012-05-09 07:30:58 PM  

NateGrey: Defeated: I'm 26 years old, I'm married and I have been for 2 years the 22nd of this month, and I have never, ever understood why this is even an issue.

If you were a 60 year old Teabagger Republican gays keep you up at night.


Kinky. NTTAWWT
 
2012-05-09 07:31:15 PM  

Biological Ali: thurstonxhowell: bump: most of us are rational, thinking human beings.

If that's true, why didn't you guys vote?

Possibly because they're rational? Depending on the parameters, voting doesn't quite pass many cost-benefit tests at the individual level even if it is considered a positive thing at a group level - i.e., you would obviously want everybody similar to you to vote, but the benefit accrued from you personally voting is rather small.


This fallacy is why Kant's categorical imperative should be taught in high school.
 
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