mrshowrules: Anyone think the Biden "gaffe" was really planned to test the waters and set the stage first?

The only reason I don't think that is because of the timing. It completely stepped on Obama's campaign kickoff last weekend and threw him in a week where he had a number of public events already on the books where he would be (and was) asked about it and in which he took some heat from those in favor of it. Even sites like DailyKos were ragging on him about it earlier this week. If that was a by design gaffe they would have been much better off doing it either prior to the kickoff or waiting a few weeks. There's also the WH Press Secretary who all week has looked like he's been getting punched every time he's been asked about it.

That said, I don't think Biden's comments forced Obama to come out in favor of gay marriage when he otherwise didn't intend to. Just pushed up the timing.

Well, looks like Fox has gone derpcon 5 (didn't take long).

Mrtraveler01: I alone am best: Richard Flaccid: gilgigamesh: Richard Flaccid: So a candidate is going to say something that he personally doesn't believe in order to appease his voters?

No way! Didn't see that coming.

Funny thing is that most Farkers will actually believe him.

Yes, because clearly the politically safe move is to come out in favor of the homos.

Yes, it definitely is.

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Nice chart lets look to see what happens in real life when put to a vote.... HEEEEEREEES NC! The results are in, and I am sorry chart you have lost.

Go ahead Obama tell the people of NC that they are bigots. Romney will send you a thank you card.

They are bigots. But Obama probably shouldn't say that out loud.

You actually support that BS amendment in NC?

Not really. I support state rights. There was no need to ban anything because it wasn't allowed. It was a waste of time and money. They did it though its their prerogative, not mine.

On a side note even as a conservative I would support gay marriage on a state level. I mean, I'm not religious if you want to be gay go for it.

Fat Old Broad: bump: I'd like to take a moment in this thread to express my love for NC.

We are not all hateful religious homophobic, bigotted zealots - most of us are rational, thinking human beings. Please do not let recent political events skew the good people of NC. We are just as embarrased about the aforementioned freakshows as the rest of the nation.

You are now returned to your thread, already in progress...

Dude, I feel ya. I live in Texas.

/sane minorities represent!!

Florida, here.

/surrounded by far-right baby boomers

WalkingCarpet: I believe marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman - Mitt Romney

And yet, you oversaw the ability for gays to marry in Mass. in 2004. I'm guessing he's going to pull out the "It works for states but not the federal government," argument that he used for health care too.

Satanic_Hamster: struct: Well, looks like Fox has gone derpcon 5 (didn't take long).

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So he wants to outlaw marriage...? Making it so that more people would marry doesn't sound like a declaration of war.

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Dusk-You-n-Me: .@MittRomney just refused to say he supports hospital visitation rights at a federal level for gays and lesbians.- Ben LaBolt (@BenLaBolt) May 9, 2012

It's going to be loooooooooong six months, Mitt.

I wonder how long until he has a Howard Dean moment and loses it in front of the cameras.

Well, he just lost the black vote. Those people don't care much for civil rights.

killershark: WalkingCarpet: I believe marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman - Mitt Romney

And yet, you oversaw the ability for gays to marry in Mass. in 2004. I'm guessing he's going to pull out the "It works for states but not the federal government," argument that he used for health care too.

He would pull that out because you know..... it does. Except in magically liberal land where feelings and thoughts turn into magical rainbows where unicorns play and lollipops grow on trees and Obama can decree the liberal ideology!

Dusk-You-n-Me: .@MittRomney just refused to say he supports hospital visitation rights at a federal level for gays and lesbians.- Ben LaBolt (@BenLaBolt) May 9, 2012

It's going to be loooooooooong six months, Mitt.

Yeah, he must be worried that he wont get the GLBT vote?

Satanic_Hamster: Tax Boy: eagles95: i wish i had bought Sirius online so i could listen to the derp being spewwed on the Fox channels right now. I need a good laugh.

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Flab
papatex: If everyone were gay, what would happen to the human race in 100 years?

/Difficulty: no test tube babies or cheating....

Why would everyone suddenly turn gay?

I don't about "why", but the "what" reminded me of:

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Well, he just lost the black vote. Those people don't care much for civil rights.

Eh. I can't see someone in Harlem, Atlanta, or Compton voting for Mittens over Obama.

meat0918: Dusk-You-n-Me: .@MittRomney just refused to say he supports hospital visitation rights at a federal level for gays and lesbians.- Ben LaBolt (@BenLaBolt) May 9, 2012

It's going to be loooooooooong six months, Mitt.

I wonder how long until he has a Howard Dean moment and loses it in front of the cameras.

I'm fairly certain robots are incapable of showing such emotion.

Satanic_Hamster: struct: Well, looks like Fox has gone derpcon 5 (didn't take long).

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So he wants to outlaw marriage...? Making it so that more people would marry doesn't sound like a declaration of war.

Hes waging a war on marriage, where marriage is defined as the revealed truth of God 2000 years ago to people so beset by superstition, disease, and famine that they had no other choice but to define it that way out of primal fear of retribution in order to increase military capacity for the righteous sacking of proximal and distant resources.

I alone am best: Dusk-You-n-Me: .@MittRomney just refused to say he supports hospital visitation rights at a federal level for gays and lesbians.- Ben LaBolt (@BenLaBolt) May 9, 2012

It's going to be loooooooooong six months, Mitt.

Yeah, he must be worried that he wont get the GLBT vote?

Yeah because only gays care about equal rights like how only blacks cared about the civil rights movement.

Are Republicans really this stupid?

And who shooped whites in all those old photos?

Corvus: I alone am best: He would pull that out because you know..... it does.

Then why is it that Republicans support the federal government defining marriage instead of that states?

It's the Republicans who want federal definition of marriage not Democrats.

OH YOU GOT ME! Even though your comment had nothing to do with mine. You can go to sleep knowing that you destroyed my argument that you imagined I made with your excellent debate skills.

RIDE ON LIBERAL DEFENDER! RIDE ON TO VICTORY! VINCIT OMNIA!

valar_morghulis: The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Well, he just lost the black vote. Those people don't care much for civil rights.

Eh. I can't see someone in Harlem, Atlanta, or Compton voting for Mittens over Obama.

Well 'those people' could I guess just stay home and not vote at all. But I'm as certain as I can be the number of 'those people' for which Obama coming out and saying he's fine with gay marriage is the singular issue upon which their vote hinges is probably so farking small it won't matter either way. Maybe even small enough to offset the small amount of voters at large for which Obama's prior lack of support was the single issue they weren't going to vote for him.

In terms of the election, this is probably a wash. Still will be about the economy and the 5 remaining monthly jobs reports between now and the election.

Will it cost him a state he won in 2008 by a very close margin like North Carolina or Indiana? Probably not...because he's likely already lost those states anyway. But it will shore up parts of his base, and get more people involved with either donations or volunteer time.

Can I marry my toaster yet or not?

I alone am best: On a side note even as a conservative I would support gay marriage on a state level. I mean, I'm not religious if you want to be gay go for it

What's the difference between gay marriage on a state level and gay marriage on a federal level? Would a federal law force everyone to get gay married while a state law wouldn't?

This is truly excellent news! If you're queer.

/not queer.

birchman: Can I marry my toaster yet or not?

Make sure to unplug it before the honeymoon.

Earpj: birchman: Can I marry my toaster yet or not?

Can your toaster consent? I think that'd be an important question.

It can't say no...

R.A.Danny: Bag of Hammers: Too bad none of you farking voted,

No kidding. There may be three people in NC worth saving, the rest got what you deserve. The church is now running your lives and you let them.

I say we just let the South secede again. This time let them turn it into the third world shiathole the majority of them clearly want.

birchman: Earpj: birchman: Can I marry my toaster yet or not?

Can your toaster consent? I think that'd be an important question.

It can't say no...

Good luck getting it to sign the certificate.

No wonder he supports it

nekom: birchman: Can I marry my toaster yet or not?

No, because a toaster is not a natural person and therefore unable to enter into an exclusive legal contract. You can, however, love it in your own special way.

She knows how I like it, extra dark.

/lp

Dusk-You-n-Me: Fox Nation is losing it.

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I find that hilarious, considering Fox Nation was trying to convince everybody that there is no Republican "War On Women."

theknuckler_33: I alone am best: killershark: WalkingCarpet: I believe marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman - Mitt Romney

And yet, you oversaw the ability for gays to marry in Mass. in 2004. I'm guessing he's going to pull out the "It works for states but not the federal government," argument that he used for health care too.

He would pull that out because you know..... it does. Except in magically liberal land where feelings and thoughts turn into magical rainbows where unicorns play and lollipops grow on trees and Obama can decree the liberal ideology!

I fail to see how equal rights for gays at the state level works better than equal rights for gays at the national level. Care you explain that?

He was insinuating that Romney is a flip flopper because he oversaw gay marriage in Mass. It isnt like Romney decided, hey Im going to do this. He had no choice in the matter. Until they pass an amendment or have a case heard by the SCOTUS its still left to the state. In Romneys situation the state did it.

"The Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts, on November 19, 2003, ruled that the state "failed to identify any constitutionally adequate reason" to deny gay persons the right to marry and that the state's prohibition on same-sex marriage violated the state's constitution. The Court, in its fifty-page 4 to 3 ruling, gave the state legislature 180 days to "take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion." Because the case, Goodridge v Department of Public Health, was decided on state constitutional grounds, there is no federal issue for appeal to the U. S. Supreme Court."