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2012-05-09 03:44:17 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Fox Nation is losing it.

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I had to go to Fox Nation just to see if that was real. And it is.
 
2012-05-09 03:44:29 PM  

Gdiguy: On top of all of this, he AGAIN forces Romney to abandon his "the primary is over, now I can start going to the center and win over moderates" plan and veer hard right, or lose any weak momentum he was gaining from the tea party-type people coming around to supporting him.


I don't see why. Romney can still play the "It's the economy, stupid" card and let those who are anti-gay rights simply vote for the "Not Obama" candidate. If he's smart enough to just ignore it.

Which he's not.
 
2012-05-09 03:45:05 PM  

HAMMERTOE: I can hear the dope-smokers warming up in the wings now: What about us?


November surprise. He's waiting until the last minute - you know because of the whole long-term memory thing, probably.
 
2012-05-09 03:45:11 PM  

vernonFL: Dusk-You-n-Me: Fox Nation is losing it.

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I had to go to Fox Nation just to see if that was real. And it is.


I've been there 4 times just to verify I'm not reading The Onion
 
2012-05-09 03:45:34 PM  

rynthetyn: And, my dumbass young republican friends are pulling the "Obama flip flops" card. To which I have only one response, at least Obama is supporting equality now, unlike Mittens who gave tens of thousands of his own money to ensure I remain a second class citizen.


How could have have flip flopped when he said he had been 'evolving' on the issue. It's not like he woke up this morning and said, "hmmm, I think I'll be pro-gay today!" It's obviously something he's put a lot of thought into for the past year. That hardly sounds like a 'flip flop' to me.
 
2012-05-09 03:46:05 PM  
Maybe he saw this video too.

Link
 
2012-05-09 03:46:05 PM  

PsiChi: kukukupo: LOLOL

He has this election in the bag.

Yeah, because it's been bought and paid for.


Mm-kay.
 
2012-05-09 03:46:07 PM  

that bosnian sniper: LasersHurt: Dusk-You-n-Me: Fox Nation is losing it.

[a.yfrog.com image 640x390]

No way that's real!?

Yes, it's real. And it's glorious.


Oh wow I thought that was a 'shop.
 
2012-05-09 03:46:34 PM  

kukukupo: D_Evans45: kukukupo: As it stands at this minute; I'm a possible Obama voter (I don't see much difference between Obama/Romney) but if he comes out pro-federal-gay, I would probably vote for Romney to keep the status quo.


You're voting over someone who is taking over our future for the next 4-8 years. How could something as trivial as gayness possibly affect your thinking so much? Just what is it about accepting gays that upsets you so much?

It has more to do with the idea of individual state's rights in my personal opinion. If a populous doesn't want to recognize a gay marriage - they should be allowed to govern these social issues by themselves. If you want gay marriage - great! Vote for it and allow it in your state (or move somewhere that allows it).

I believe the states should be able to regulate it much in the same way they can determine legal age of consent, blood test requirements, Residency requirements, etc for marriage licenses.


When left to their own devices states will also legislate which lunch counters you can sit at, which drinking fountains you can drink from, and which neighborhoods you can live in.
 
2012-05-09 03:46:50 PM  

farkingatwork: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: keylock71: bulldg4life: keylock71: MrBigglesworth: While gay marriage should be allowed and legal, this is a sad, calculated and purely political move in an attempt to secure re-election.

Yeah, welcome to American politics since 1783 or so... Hope you enjoyed your nap, Rip Van Winkle.

The great thing about the statement is that...24 hours ago...Obama was making a sad, calculated, and purely political move in not affirming his support in an attempt to secure re-election.

It's amazing that he is able to do completely mutually exclusive things and still get the same result.

Heh... Touché.

Remember, President Obama is an incompetent nobody who is constantly over his head and can't get any sort of meaningful legislation through Congress, not due to the gridlock there, but, rather, due to his own inability to handle the responsibilities of running the Executive branch, while, simultaneously, being a Radical Socialist (with a capital R & S) Muslim Mastermind who is nearly invisibly laying the groundwork to turn the US of A in to a third world Sharia-circumscribed hell-hole.

I thought you'd have a great trollpost up until the Muslim Mastermind thing. Cmon man, you totally had a great one going.

/disappointed


That wasn't an attempt at a troll. It was a description of the actual Right's collective opinion of the President.

xanadian: Dusk-You-n-Me: Fox Nation is losing it.

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Anybody dare to take a trip to Freeperville?


"Moral Deviant In Chief, etc etc"

More of the same. They seem convinced that he's just lost the entire African American vote, the entire Catholic vote and the entire Hispanic vote, though. A lot of wishful thinking going on in that(those) thread(s).
 
2012-05-09 03:47:02 PM  
Its weird, none of the people I loathe seem to be posting in this thread.
 
2012-05-09 03:47:06 PM  

gilgigamesh: SuperNinjaToad: Obama just lost the swing state of NC in the general and many black and hispanic votes not to mention white 'Christian' democrats.

Oh come on. You really think the black population is going to swing over to Romney en masse now?

And if you do think that, can I buy pot from you?


who said anything about swinging over to Romney... just saying a percentage of 'locked' voters may now not even bother to go and vote because of this specific issue .. in a close election not going out to vote is almost as bad.
 
2012-05-09 03:47:32 PM  

fracto73: ModernPrimitive01: The people have spoken on whether gay marriage should be in America. Why does Obama hate state's rights?

For it to be a states rights issue DOMA would have to be repealed. As long as it is on the books there is a federal law overriding states ability to grant marriage benefits.


Wrong. DOMA says a state is not obligated to recognize a marriage just because it's legal in another state:

No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.

There is no restriction on a state recognizing same-sex unions.
 
2012-05-09 03:47:34 PM  

Romeo_Santana: I guess the economy can wait a little longer. No need to hurry on that mr president. I'm sure all those men with hungry families will be dancing in the streets.


You are in Oklahoma. STFU
 
2012-05-09 03:47:56 PM  
Romney is going to speak. Well at least CNN said he was coming up next.
 
2012-05-09 03:47:58 PM  

qorkfiend: Edsel: qorkfiend: Edsel: Obama was pushed into this by Biden and Duncan's public proclaimations of support for same sex marriage.

You honestly think Obama was blindsided by Biden and Duncan on this issue?

I didn't think anyone had any doubt about that. Unless this was all some carefully orchestrated stunt, which would seem pretty damned odd given the high risk involved for Obama.

You think that the Vice President and the Secretary of Education deliberately blindsided the President of the United States in an election year? Wow.

There's no "stunt" about any of this. Biden and Duncan were floating trial balloons, and it was undoubtedly done in close coordination with the re-election campaign.

Additionally, there is very little risk for Obama. Anyone who decides their vote based on this single issue was never voting for Obama anyway.


No, I think Biden (as usual) made a gaffe without considering the implications for Obama, and Duncan was just answering honestly when he was asked. I think Obama otherwise would have been happy to just skate through the election without this issue coming up. And there is a clear risk to him - just look at the results of NC yesterday, a state that he may need.

That said, I do think they turned it into an opportunity. He fired up the left wing, probably will get a significant fundraising boost from this, and now has baited Romney and the Republicans into going full whargarrbl on this issue.
 
2012-05-09 03:48:04 PM  

bump: most of us are rational, thinking human beings.


The election results don't support your claim, unless your silent majority decided to just stay home and not vote, which is even worse.
 
2012-05-09 03:48:18 PM  
http://i.imgur.com/q28cv.png

lol
 
2012-05-09 03:48:22 PM  
Of course he is. Have you *seen* his wife?
 
2012-05-09 03:48:28 PM  

BritneysSpeculum: ModernPrimitive01: The people have spoken on whether gay marriage should be in America. Why does Obama hate state's rights?

Because it is a concept that does not exist and yet has done more to harm this country than anything else. We basically fought the Civil War over the issue and the bad guys lost.


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2012-05-09 03:48:36 PM  

spiderpaz: Jaws_Victim: I dont understand the logic by coming out in favor of gay marriage. People that are against gay marriage will vote for Romney because he feels the same. Those pro gay marriage would vote for Obama anyway because hes the one less likely to outlaw homosexuality and marriage altogether anyway. I mean, it really does nothing and the votes will be the same come election time. Unless there is some improbable straight republican who is die hard about gays marrying and NOTHING else.

I kind of believe the opposite. If you are backward enough to be against gay marriage, there was no way you were going to vote for Obama in the first place because

a) He's black, and you would have been against interracial marriage if you had been born in the 50's.
b) He's a Dem, and you probably want to cut funding that goes to your kid's school so that it can go into a tax cut for some trust fund baby who will "trickle" his wealth down to you in the form of a minimum wage (which you also oppose) job with no benefits.


Not that this matters. Unfortunately, black people have been one of the more consistently anti-gay demographics, even if they do otherwise consistently vote Democrat. Black people helped pass Prop. 8 here in Cali (not as much as the Mormons, but they helped), and they also helped pass its predecessor that got struck down by the courts to pave the way for the Prop. 8 battle. "I got mine, fark you" is a powerful sentiment throughout the population.

You've seen the cartoon with the white dude in the '60s protesting interracial marriage, and the black dude in the modern day protesting gay marriage by saying "what he said"? That's sadly reality.
 
2012-05-09 03:48:44 PM  
Do it, Obama. There's a whole generation that'll back you up.
 
2012-05-09 03:48:45 PM  

Gwendolyn: Maybe he saw this video too.

Link


That video broke my heart. I wish I could say that story was unique, but I've heard similar ones far too often.
 
2012-05-09 03:49:04 PM  

make me some tea: Dusk-You-n-Me: Fox Nation is losing it.

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LMAO


Like I said, President Trollbama strikes again! The right's gonna go to a dark, dark place and the American people will turn on them. Just like the War on Women.

Awesome and so much win. :)
 
2012-05-09 03:49:10 PM  
Best part is he gave the exclusive to Robin Roberts. President TROLL strikes again.
 
2012-05-09 03:49:13 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: just saying a percentage of 'locked' voters may now not even bother to go and vote because of this specific issue


Yeah, no. Anyone who decides their vote on this one specific issue wasn't voting for Obama anyway.
 
2012-05-09 03:49:18 PM  

Brandyelf: thurstonxhowell: Pants full of macaroni!!: SLIPPERY SLOPE!

DRINK!

Corvus: Ok for everyone saying "This is a great move" in this thread how many of were not going to vote for him and now you are? Or even give to his campaign?

I'm a bit skeptical about all the conclusions people are jumping to, but, if Obama actually endorses gay marriage tonight, I will donate $100 to his campaign. It will be the first political donation I have ever made, and will likely be the last.

So, was that enough?


Yup, despite Corvus's assholery following that post, Obama will get my $100. He's gonna need it to fight the tidal wave of fundie/Mormon money.

I voted against McCain/Palin in 2008. In 2012, I'm voting for Obama/Biden.
 
2012-05-09 03:49:40 PM  

Edsel: No, I think Biden (as usual) made a gaffe without considering the implications for Obama


I find it funny that people persist in the belief that Biden is flat-out stupid when giving public addresses.

Biden's "gaffe" was a test balloon.
 
2012-05-09 03:49:46 PM  

henryhill: Its weird, none of the people I loathe seem to be posting in this thread.


They are awaiting the official talking points. My guess is a mix of 'distraction from the economy' and 'war on marriage' with a lot of concern trolling.
 
2012-05-09 03:49:48 PM  

dittybopper: Why is this a newsflash? The administration has been pretty blatantly floating trial balloons for the last couple of weeks. If you *DIDN'T* know this was coming, you weren't paying attention.


Why, indeed. Obama is gay, so he's obviously going to be pro-gay marriage. Maybe he'll marry his former lover, Larry Sinclair: www1.pictures.zimbio.com Well, not really a lover. Their relationship was more of a tryst. Crack and a quick &% in the back of a limo. He must have liked it, though - the Fraud called him back for another tête-à-tête a little later.
 
2012-05-09 03:49:49 PM  
Marriage should be a right for all. Gays should have the same opportunity to be as miserable as any straight person. I support the President on this change of view.
 
2012-05-09 03:50:07 PM  

Cythraul: How could have have flip flopped when he said he had been 'evolving' on the issue. It's not like he woke up this morning and said, "hmmm, I think I'll be pro-gay today!" It's obviously something he's put a lot of thought into for the past year.


The term "flip-flop" properly designates a change in position based solely on political expediency or advantage. Though used loosely, it does not mean "changed your mind".

IMHO There is not a single part of this that is not a political calculation. The only 'evolution' of Obama's views on gay marriage is an evolving political strategic assesment of its usefulness as a wedge issue in the re-election.
 
2012-05-09 03:50:15 PM  
So basically the string pullers put Biden in front of a camera trying to save Obama's career. Biden says he endorses gay marriage. Obamas true colors show through as he says nothing. The string pullers get really pissed because they know that "the war on women" angle is failing and that "health care for all" is failing--and their recent "BIN LADEN" blah blah is not working,the Trayvon Martin thing completely failed---so one last pony--Gay Marriage. He must endorse it. So he does. Endorsing it means jack shiat. Marriage is still state by state. It's not a federal law. It does not mean he is making it legal in every state to have gay marriage. It's just talk. It's a weak last defense of a horrible President who is trying to get a second term. I dislike Romeny--but the guy is also Gay Marriage. And honestly his state did it. So ya know. When Romeny is looking more liberal that the President. Just sayin.
 
2012-05-09 03:50:15 PM  

OceanVortex: I say Good For Obama. It takes the first Black president to become the first US President willing to speak out about bigotry.


What a strange world it is that you live in.
 
2012-05-09 03:50:29 PM  

that bosnian sniper: LasersHurt: Dusk-You-n-Me: Fox Nation is losing it.

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No way that's real!?

Yes, it's real. And it's glorious.


I couldn't believe it was real at first, but oh man, it's beautiful. It's amazing how quickly and powerfully Republicans can whip themselves into a frenzy.
 
2012-05-09 03:50:34 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Obama just lost the swing state of NC in the general and many black and hispanic votes not to mention white 'Christian' democrats.


First of all, North Carolina? Who farking needs them. He likely wasn't going to win it anyway, and he sure as hell doesn't need it to win.

Second, 'blacks' and 'hispanics' don't have hive minds so they'll be no massive defection of either group. And can you quantify how large the single issue voter bloc of those two races are that hinge their voting on where a candidate stands on gay marriage? Because I'm pretty farking sure it's pretty farking small.

Third, white 'Christian' democrats? I'm sure the three that voted for Obama in 2008 that also oppose gay marriage will be missed. The other two that support gay marriage will likely continue to vote for him.
 
2012-05-09 03:51:30 PM  

rudemix: bump: I'd like to take a moment in this thread to express my love for NC.

We are not all hateful religious homophobic, bigotted zealots - most of us are rational, thinking human beings. Please do not let recent political events skew the good people of NC. We are just as embarrased about the aforementioned freakshows as the rest of the nation.

You are now returned to your thread, already in progress...

Until enough like you make some noise you all get to be lumped together.


Just like Christians - they hate to be reminded of their responsibility to stand up against the fundamentalists.
 
2012-05-09 03:51:33 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: gilgigamesh: SuperNinjaToad: Obama just lost the swing state of NC in the general and many black and hispanic votes not to mention white 'Christian' democrats.

Oh come on. You really think the black population is going to swing over to Romney en masse now?

And if you do think that, can I buy pot from you?

who said anything about swinging over to Romney... just saying a percentage of 'locked' voters may now not even bother to go and vote because of this specific issue .. in a close election not going out to vote is almost as bad.


We appreciate your...concern.
 
2012-05-09 03:51:54 PM  

rynthetyn: And, my dumbass young republican friends are pulling the "Obama flip flops" card. To which I have only one response, at least Obama is supporting equality now, unlike Mittens who gave tens of thousands of his own money to ensure I remain a second class citizen...after forcing town clerks in MA to issue same-sex licenses in MA after they got legalized


Throw that back at your young Republican friends. ;)
 
2012-05-09 03:52:06 PM  
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2012-05-09 03:52:08 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: So basically the string pullers put Biden in front of a camera trying to save Obama's career. Biden says he endorses gay marriage. Obamas true colors show through as he says nothing. The string pullers get really pissed because they know that "the war on women" angle is failing and that "health care for all" is failing--and their recent "BIN LADEN" blah blah is not working,the Trayvon Martin thing completely failed---so one last pony--Gay Marriage. He must endorse it. So he does. Endorsing it means jack shiat. Marriage is still state by state. It's not a federal law. It does not mean he is making it legal in every state to have gay marriage. It's just talk. It's a weak last defense of a horrible President who is trying to get a second term. I dislike Romeny--but the guy is also Gay Marriage. And honestly his state did it. So ya know. When Romeny is looking more liberal that the President. Just sayin.


I'll have what he's having.
 
2012-05-09 03:52:18 PM  

9beers: I'm sure this has nothing to do with his reelection team looking at the data and making the decision that this is the way to secure the most undecided voters in the fall.


Maybe it has to do with being a thinking, caring, reasonable human being instead of a zealous, backwards, hateful piece of filth.

"Love your neighbor as you love yourself and me."
"Judge not others, lest you yourself be judged; there is no greater judge than I."

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal."

Gotta love how "Christians" and "Americans" who support bigotry and hatred go against both their God and their Constitution so they can feel good about themselves for oppressing people who have done nothing to them.
 
2012-05-09 03:52:41 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: gilgigamesh: SuperNinjaToad: Obama just lost the swing state of NC in the general and many black and hispanic votes not to mention white 'Christian' democrats.

Oh come on. You really think the black population is going to swing over to Romney en masse now?

And if you do think that, can I buy pot from you?

who said anything about swinging over to Romney... just saying a percentage of 'locked' voters may now not even bother to go and vote because of this specific issue .. in a close election not going out to vote is almost as bad.


So blacks are going to stay home rather than vote for Obama. Is what you're saying.

Ok, yeah. That's never going to happen either. But your concern is noted.
 
2012-05-09 03:52:49 PM  

Rwa2play: Like I said, President Trollbama strikes again! The right's gonna go to a dark, dark place and the American people will turn on them. Just like the War on Women.

Awesome and so much win. :)


They really can't help themselves.

Cup_O_Jo: So basically the string pullers put Biden in front of a camera trying to save Obama's career. Biden says he endorses gay marriage. Obamas true colors show through as he says nothing. The string pullers get really pissed because they know that "the war on women" angle is failing and that "health care for all" is failing--and their recent "BIN LADEN" blah blah is not working,the Trayvon Martin thing completely failed---so one last pony--Gay Marriage. He must endorse it. So he does. Endorsing it means jack shiat. Marriage is still state by state. It's not a federal law. It does not mean he is making it legal in every state to have gay marriage. It's just talk. It's a weak last defense of a horrible President who is trying to get a second term. I dislike Romeny--but the guy is also Gay Marriage. And honestly his state did it. So ya know. When Romeny is looking more liberal that the President. Just sayin.


See, now this is a troll. 5/10, you'll get some extended arguments.
 
2012-05-09 03:52:58 PM  

Sargun: [i.imgur.com image 640x135]


It isn't gay if you're pitching, obviously.
 
2012-05-09 03:53:05 PM  

bobbette: Shrugging Atlas: He's basically turning the tables on them. Rather than use a social issue in a negative fashion to drive voters to the polls like Bush/Rove did, he's coming out on the positive side of the issue in order to drag the backwards farks into the light of day so everyone can see them for what they are and be repulsed. And yep, with Romney as the nominee you just know he'll go along with them the entire way since he simply can't win without them.

This is my take as well.

I think this Gallup polling has to have been influential in the Obama decision to come out (ha, ha... oh whatever) in favour of gay marriage:
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Those independent and Democrat numbers are huge. Mostly the independent numbers. And many of the Republicans are geographically concentrated in places that Obama doesn't have a chance of winning anyways. Wow, so he's going to lose Mississippi extra hard this year? Shucks.


Another way to look at it however is that all he's really done here is appealed to his base (socially Liberal Democrats), alienated 40% of all independent voters and socially conservative Democrats, and essentially put an electric cattle prod to socially conservative Republicans to get behind Romney.

FYI: I've been in favor of allowing gay marriage pretty much since the beginning. For me it is a pragmatic issue. Gay men and women are going to live with their same sex partners regardless. Marriage in the United States is a civil act. That it is also a religious act to believers is secondary. Why? Because you need a marriage license issued by the state in order for it to be legally binding. You can have a priest in the United Church of Imadeupjustnow marry you to the entire Philadelphia Football, including the trainers, coaches and cheerleaders tomorrow in downtown Philadelphia and it will have zero legal weight and therefore will not matter. Since marriage is a civil act, there is no compelling reason legally to prevent two people of the same sex from being allowed to engage in it--unless--the state that issues marriage licenses stipulates that it is illegal to do so. I would argue however in states where that is the case, religious fervor, not legal arguments have won the day and the law should change.

Beyond that...as a practical matter, if marriage as an institution is supposed to make people more monogamous, and monogamous people are less likely to contract and spread STDs, wouldn't it make sense as a society to allow gay couples to marry and encourage young people of all sexual orientations to embrace the idea of staying with one person?

/Romney supporter
//Same sex marriage supporter
///sees no contradiction in being both whatsoever
 
2012-05-09 03:53:14 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Marriage should be a right for all. Gays should have the same opportunity to be as miserable as any straight person. I support the President on this change of view.


My wife is a very conservative and believes this. She would never vote for a Dem but agrees that all people should be able to get married.
 
2012-05-09 03:53:25 PM  

qorkfiend: tarheel07: That, and ballots in left-leaning counties completely omitted the marriage amendment ballot initiative altogether.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat


It's what I read today
 
2012-05-09 03:53:25 PM  

Meanniss: Best part is he gave the exclusive to Robin Roberts. President TROLL strikes again.


Well that makes one Phillies pitcher who's doing well for himself.
 
2012-05-09 03:53:37 PM  
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