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2012-05-09 03:35:42 PM  

bobbette: qorkfiend: themeaningoflifeisnot: If the polling indicated that he could get through the election middling it, he would have continued to prevaricate.

I'm as big an Obama fan as the next guy, but this is probably accurate.

Some "insider" just told Mother Jones that this all went down because this really was a Biden gaffe and Obama was all "Fark it... we'll do it live."

I don't know if I believe that.


I do.

He did the same when the headlines were dominated with WHAR BIRF CERTIFICATE

Obama is an effective leader, cuts through the bull shiat and moves on
 
2012-05-09 03:35:44 PM  
Also, the people assuming that Obama coming out for gay marriage can be counted on to energize fundies to vote for Romney may be forgetting a few things, such as the state that Romney actually governed. With the right kind of awareness campaign, I'm sure those people could easily be reminded that, if these really are their values, there are plenty of reasons for them not to vote for Romney either.
 
2012-05-09 03:35:46 PM  

DeltaPunch: Fabric_Man: He's obviously trying to bait the teatards into a frenzy, thereby miring Romney in derp and making GOP congressional candidates look less attractive. It's a big gamble.

THIS

It has the same flavor as the "war on religion/women" thing. As a response, it's only a matter of time before conservatives in congress try to pass a federal law banning gay marriage, and from Fox to Rush the derp will be in full swing, which *could* be good for Democrats.


Right, if he gets the zealots in a frenzy, and forces the GOP to talk social issues instead of the economy, it could make his own economic talk look more impressive. It's hard to placate the fringe right and try to appeal to moderates.

Obama just needs the left energized, and enough of the moderates to win, and he may already have that.
 
2012-05-09 03:35:56 PM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: As I said last night in a thread, Obama has no real choice. His base is sitting on the sidelines, self-assured of victory, and without a clear-cut battle all that money is going to sit on the sidelines, too. So, he gets the liberals off his back about playing coy on the gay marriage issue, he infuriates the Republicans who hate gays, and all of the passive Dems get a wake up call from the anti-gay backlash and jump back in the game far enough in advance of the election that the Dems can pull out all the stops politically and financially.


On top of all of this, he AGAIN forces Romney to abandon his "the primary is over, now I can start going to the center and win over moderates" plan and veer hard right, or lose any weak momentum he was gaining from the tea party-type people coming around to supporting him.

Once again, I'm amazed at how Obama is the first Democratic politician that I've seen (given that I'm young enough to not really appreciate Bill Clinton in '92) that can play politics as well as the GOP
 
2012-05-09 03:35:57 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: So, is he going to come out now for legalizing dope? It seems to be the only group he hasn't pandered to yet.


He should- it would basically fix the economy.
 
2012-05-09 03:35:57 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Obama just lost the swing state of NC in the general and many black and hispanic votes not to mention white 'Christian' democrats.
While I admire his stance and personal convictions on the issue (instead of flip flopping), even he must know his statement on this issue just cost him a few points if not more. His advisor must be hitting his head on his head when he heard the news.

US has always been right of center.... Obama may have very well just handed the Presidency to Romney.


Are you kidding? The Dems have polled and micro-polled this issue in every battleground state and district to within an inch of its life. This move would never have been made if millions of dollars of research and thousands of hours of thought had not gone into making such a major decision.

Obama isn't just shooting from the hip while his campaign experts are face-palming themselves. This decision has been vetted down to the smallest contested district. I'll bet you the Obama campaign has models of how this will likely affect the vote in every district in every important state. It's a purely political decision made by experts.
 
2012-05-09 03:36:07 PM  

Boxcutta: I disagree with those who think that the White House has been testing this message or that it was based on polling data or some sort of strategic move. Obama had to say something because Crazy Joe Biden's off-message comments have dominated three news cycles now. He is in so much trouble right now for shooting his mouth off right now.


Dominating the News Cycle
 
2012-05-09 03:36:26 PM  
So, the same people that were blasting Obama for his "evolving" position as being wishy-washy are now going to blast him for his affirmative stance as a flip flop?

You know, when you find a way to just criticize someone repeatedly no matter what stance they take...politics is fascinating and incredibly easy.
 
2012-05-09 03:36:31 PM  

tarheel07: That, and ballots in left-leaning counties completely omitted the marriage amendment ballot initiative altogether.


waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
 
2012-05-09 03:36:46 PM  

bobbette: qorkfiend: themeaningoflifeisnot: If the polling indicated that he could get through the election middling it, he would have continued to prevaricate.

I'm as big an Obama fan as the next guy, but this is probably accurate.

Some "insider" just told Mother Jones that this all went down because this really was a Biden gaffe and Obama was all "Fark it... we'll do it live."

I don't know if I believe that.


SuperNinjaToad: Obama just lost the swing state of NC in the general and many black and hispanic votes not to mention white 'Christian' democrats.


Oh come on. You really think the black population is going to swing over to Romney en masse now?

And if you do think that, can I buy pot from you?

The thought certainly occurred to me.
 
2012-05-09 03:36:50 PM  
Now it appears that the timing of the president's announcement may have been decided by forces beyond Oval Office control...

The hell it does.

They used Bidden as a Polish Mine Detector. If it had blown up more than they expected, they could just fall back on "That wacky Bidden - he sure says some nutty things."

There is not a single part of this that is not a political calculation. The only 'evolution' of Obama's views on gay marriage is an evolving strategic assesment of the political strategy of its usefulness as a wedge issue in the re-election.
 
2012-05-09 03:36:52 PM  
See, waffling is OK as long as you end up in the right place.
 
2012-05-09 03:36:57 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Fox Nation is losing it.

[a.yfrog.com image 640x390]
http://yfrog.com/kkov6rp


No spin there. Nope. Not at all.
 
2012-05-09 03:36:58 PM  
Son of a biatch. President Obama you have just stopped me from voting for a third party candidate and got my vote back. I didn't know you had it in you.

Wow.
 
2012-05-09 03:37:03 PM  

Pertifly: kukukupo: He has this election in the bag. If he 'comes out' as pro-gay marriage he is gonna take a serious dive in the polls

Couldn't agree more. No way he makes a move this "ballsy" in an election year.


And here's where I eat my words:
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support-for-same-sex-marria g e.html
 
2012-05-09 03:37:07 PM  

what_now: Starryeyes: what_now: But he wasn't in danger of losing the well educated, socialist, Massachusetts women vote.

*high five*

Have I converted you to socialism? I mean, I've been working on it for a while..


I think all the socialist beer you've been giving me has started to take effect.
 
2012-05-09 03:37:24 PM  
Oops. dammit
 
2012-05-09 03:37:29 PM  

LasersHurt: No way that's real!?


Yep. Right on their front page.
 
2012-05-09 03:37:30 PM  

MindStalker: bump: I'd like to take a moment in this thread to express my love for NC.

We are not all hateful religious homophobic, bigotted zealots - most of us are rational, thinking human beings. Please do not let recent political events skew the good people of NC. We are just as embarrased about the aforementioned freakshows as the rest of the nation.

You are now returned to your thread, already in progress...

Dude, California voted for ban gay marriage a few years ago. Califreakenfornia. Don't worry.


I'm still unclear how it was ok for the Mormon Church to fund the opposition and maintain it's tax-exempt status.
 
2012-05-09 03:37:37 PM  

craig328: Believe me, I get that pretty much any election any more is to vote the lesser odious of the two but still...what about Obama appeals to young people? They have it worse now than any time in living memory.


And young people like me (I'm 24 so I'm on the edge), should vote for Romney who will essentially pursue the same economic policies that Bush pursued which got us into this hole in the first place?

LO-freaking-L
 
2012-05-09 03:37:37 PM  

xanadian: I'm all for gay marriage (obviously). But, with that having been said:

DON'T DO IT, OBAMA!!!1!

After months and months of "it's the economy, stupid," the last thing he needs to do is tackle yet another polarizing issue. Fix (or appear to fix, since no president can "fix" the economy) the goddamn economy first, get re-elected, THEN go on the equal-rights warpath.

Christ.


This wasn't some off the cuff remark, he planned to say that and his strategists ok'ed it. I'm not sure it's a wise move either, and as you said his 2nd term may well be the better time to take it on, but somebody thought it was a good idea. I guess we'll see if it helps him or hurts him.
 
2012-05-09 03:37:40 PM  
About time...
 
2012-05-09 03:37:53 PM  

bobbette: qorkfiend: themeaningoflifeisnot: If the polling indicated that he could get through the election middling it, he would have continued to prevaricate.

I'm as big an Obama fan as the next guy, but this is probably accurate.

Some "insider" just told Mother Jones that this all went down because this really was a Biden gaffe and Obama was all "Fark it... we'll do it live."

I don't know if I believe that.


That would be kind of awesome if it were true. Thanks, Biden.
 
2012-05-09 03:38:17 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: bobbette: qorkfiend: themeaningoflifeisnot: If the polling indicated that he could get through the election middling it, he would have continued to prevaricate.

I'm as big an Obama fan as the next guy, but this is probably accurate.

Some "insider" just told Mother Jones that this all went down because this really was a Biden gaffe and Obama was all "Fark it... we'll do it live."

I don't know if I believe that.

I do.

He did the same when the headlines were dominated with WHAR BIRF CERTIFICATE

Obama is an effective leader, cuts through the bull shiat and moves on


I voted for Obama the last time, and I'm going to vote for him again. I have no problem with a political leader who makes pragmatic choices that also happen to be good choices. It's the ones who make pragmatic choices that are bad choices who I worry about (hello Mr. Bush).
 
2012-05-09 03:38:17 PM  

Janusdog: This text is now purple: Janusdog: The_Sponge: Janusdog: I just can't hate Biden.


I can. That doofus is proud of the fact that he voted for the 1994 "assault weapons" ban.

Some of you gun guys give me the willies, so that's not a convincing argument.

And yet, when people point out some of the looney toons in the gay-rights camps, that same argument doesn't fly...

What?

Pardon me if I raise my eyebrow at your use of 'camps'. Today is really interesting from a word choice perspective.


I never imagined a day someone could find offense at the word "camp".

Well, someone not named Jim Cameron, anyway.
 
2012-05-09 03:38:32 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: LasersHurt: No way that's real!?

Yep. Right on their front page.


Ridiculous. Hyperbole is hyperbole, but that's... hyperhyperbole.
 
2012-05-09 03:38:55 PM  
And, my dumbass young republican friends are pulling the "Obama flip flops" card. To which I have only one response, at least Obama is supporting equality now, unlike Mittens who gave tens of thousands of his own money to ensure I remain a second class citizen.
 
2012-05-09 03:39:02 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: LOL That sounds like that dog who texts his owner!


What is this? I need to meet this dog!
 
2012-05-09 03:39:22 PM  

thurstonxhowell: I'm a bit skeptical about all the conclusions people are jumping to, but, if Obama actually endorses gay marriage tonight, I will donate $100 to his campaign. It will be the first political donation I have ever made, and will likely be the last.


OK:

"At a certain point, I've just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married," Mr. Obama told ABC News in an interview that came after the president faced mounting pressure to clarify his position.


So you giving money? You going to do more to support him?
 
2012-05-09 03:39:30 PM  

keylock71: bulldg4life: keylock71: MrBigglesworth: While gay marriage should be allowed and legal, this is a sad, calculated and purely political move in an attempt to secure re-election.

Yeah, welcome to American politics since 1783 or so... Hope you enjoyed your nap, Rip Van Winkle.

The great thing about the statement is that...24 hours ago...Obama was making a sad, calculated, and purely political move in not affirming his support in an attempt to secure re-election.

It's amazing that he is able to do completely mutually exclusive things and still get the same result.

Heh... Touché.


Remember, President Obama is an incompetent nobody who is constantly over his head and can't get any sort of meaningful legislation through Congress, not due to the gridlock there, but, rather, due to his own inability to handle the responsibilities of running the Executive branch, while, simultaneously, being a Radical Socialist (with a capital R & S) Muslim Mastermind who is nearly invisibly laying the groundwork to turn the US of A in to a third world Sharia-circumscribed hell-hole.
 
2012-05-09 03:39:55 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: MrBigglesworth: Mrs.Sharpier: MrBigglesworth: While gay marriage should be allowed and legal, this is a sad, calculated and purely political move in an attempt to secure re-election.

How is it sad that the president stands up to bigots and narrow minded fuc*s who go around making people feel they are lesser citizens because of who they choose to love?

Did you read my post? It is PURELY a political move. He should have come out in support of is sooner.

So ... what the fark is your point again??

A politician being oh what's the word "POLITICAL"

oh noes!!!


Sort of an Ayn Randian move on Obama's part. It only suits him for his future in the White House vs he should have been on the 'right' side the whole time. But, you're right too, gotta play the game right if you want to win.
 
2012-05-09 03:40:05 PM  

rynthetyn: And, my dumbass young republican friends are pulling the "Obama flip flops" card. To which I have only one response, at least Obama is supporting equality now, unlike Mittens who gave tens of thousands of his own money to ensure I remain a second class citizen.


I always ask people like this if they'd prefer leaders who never change their minds and then laugh when they say yes.


/No point in trying to change their minds.
 
2012-05-09 03:40:09 PM  

rynthetyn: And, my dumbass young republican friends are pulling the "Obama flip flops" card. To which I have only one response, at least Obama is supporting equality now, unlike Mittens who gave tens of thousands millions of his own money to ensure I remain a second class citizen.


Fixed that for you.
 
2012-05-09 03:40:33 PM  

Biological Ali: Also, the people assuming that Obama coming out for gay marriage can be counted on to energize fundies to vote for Romney may be forgetting a few things, such as the state that Romney actually governed. With the right kind of awareness campaign, I'm sure those people could easily be reminded that, if these really are their values, there are plenty of reasons for them not to vote for Romney either.


To be fair, Romney can actually take credit for helping legalize Gay Marriage in MA.

May 17, 2004: Gov. Romney ordered town clerks to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples as per the Supreme Judicial Court's ruling, 180 days after it was issued, without the legislative action called for by the actual ruling. The city of Cambridge began processing applications at one minute past midnight, cheered on by a crowd of five thousand gathered outside City Hall. Massachusetts has a three-day waiting period after a marriage application has been issued, but couples can seek a judicial waiver of that requirement.[24] The first marriage was issued to Tanya McCloskey and Marcia Kadish, of the Boston suburb of Malden - was finalized by 9:15 a.m. on May 17.[25]
 
2012-05-09 03:40:37 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Fox Nation is losing it.

[a.yfrog.com image 640x390]


Anybody dare to take a trip to Freeperville?
 
2012-05-09 03:40:48 PM  

2wolves: ontariolightning: When Obama endorses Gay Marriage will the Republicans morph into one huge monster and eat Washington D.C

More importantly, will this interrupt hockey?


Not a real worry after tonight. :D

/LET'S GO RANGERS!
 
2012-05-09 03:40:58 PM  
LOL.. Epic Herpa-Derp incoming.

i52.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-09 03:41:31 PM  
I'm surprised at how negative people view this to be...

Conservatives or religious people that hate him for this: Not going to vote for him anyway
Religious minorities: Perhaps not going to vote for him, but sure aren't going to flip and start voting Romney in large numbers
Religious left-leaning: May be turned off, but if they are left-leaning and religious, they may not be single issue voters...otherwise they probably wouldn't be left-leaning and religious
Left-leaning in general: This removes one more "I just don't like his policy on X" from the list and will energize a good portion of his base that have been blasting him for his views.

Is this going to energize the far-right religious to go out and vote for a Mormon? Is this going to get religious blacks to vote for Romney?
 
2012-05-09 03:41:41 PM  
about damn time. America might catch up with the rest of us sooner rather than later.
 
2012-05-09 03:41:43 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: keylock71: bulldg4life: keylock71: MrBigglesworth: While gay marriage should be allowed and legal, this is a sad, calculated and purely political move in an attempt to secure re-election.

Yeah, welcome to American politics since 1783 or so... Hope you enjoyed your nap, Rip Van Winkle.

The great thing about the statement is that...24 hours ago...Obama was making a sad, calculated, and purely political move in not affirming his support in an attempt to secure re-election.

It's amazing that he is able to do completely mutually exclusive things and still get the same result.

Heh... Touché.

Remember, President Obama is an incompetent nobody who is constantly over his head and can't get any sort of meaningful legislation through Congress, not due to the gridlock there, but, rather, due to his own inability to handle the responsibilities of running the Executive branch, while, simultaneously, being a Radical Socialist (with a capital R & S) Muslim Mastermind who is nearly invisibly laying the groundwork to turn the US of A in to a third world Sharia-circumscribed hell-hole.


I thought you'd have a great trollpost up until the Muslim Mastermind thing. Cmon man, you totally had a great one going.

/disappointed
 
2012-05-09 03:41:49 PM  

Biological Ali: Also, the people assuming that Obama coming out for gay marriage can be counted on to energize fundies to vote for Romney may be forgetting a few things, such as the state that Romney actually governed. With the right kind of awareness campaign, I'm sure those people could easily be reminded that, if these really are their values, there are plenty of reasons for them not to vote for Romney either.


Here's the thing: Romney's actions in voluntarily approving gay marriage licenses in MA will speak louder than his words in denouncing Obama's stand today.

I think the Obama campaign knows this, and is playing some deep chess.
 
2012-05-09 03:42:05 PM  

LasersHurt: Ned Stark: That's a pretty optimistic thing to take away from "we will give an interview" subby.

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/president-obama-affirms-his-supp o rt-for-same-sex-marriage.html


Yes, that'll teach me to only read the article and not the thread. I stand by the accusation of excessive optimism though. Buying a lotto ticket dosent retroactively become a level headed rational decision just cause you win.


Credit where it's due though, good on Obama.
 
2012-05-09 03:42:18 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: you have to be willing to be brave in the face of such unabashed bigotry and hate.


i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-05-09 03:42:19 PM  

LasersHurt: Dusk-You-n-Me: Fox Nation is losing it.

[a.yfrog.com image 640x390]

No way that's real!?


Yes, it's real. And it's glorious.
 
2012-05-09 03:42:34 PM  
Has Free Republic blown up yet?
 
2012-05-09 03:42:36 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Obama just wants to marry a U.S. citizen so he can stay in the country.


Wow, a smart, honest person.
 
2012-05-09 03:42:44 PM  

PanicMan: TommieFunk: PanicMan: JerseyTim: I would definitely vote for an Obama-Biden husband-husband team.

Heck, I would love to be married to Joe Biden myself.

Who wouldn't want to be gay married to Joe Biden? I bet things are never dull when he's around.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x385]

Exactly!

Me: Joe, why is there a sumo wrestler asleep on our couch?
Joe: He gave me a ride home from the baseball stadium.
Me: why were you at a baseball stadium?
Joe: We were out of Swiss Miss.
Me: Why did you think you could get hot chocolate mix at a baseball stadium?
Joe: I don't know, but they had 50 cases. They're all in the bathroom.
Me: Why in the... how is that even... how did you...
Joe: No, it's cool. Hey, hypothetically speaking, do we own a snakebite kit? Also, I made cupcakes!


That is awesome.
 
2012-05-09 03:44:08 PM  
I say Good For Obama. It takes the first Black president to become the first US President willing to speak out about bigotry.

It is a brave move, whatever you may think. Good for him for doing the right thing, even if it rocks the boat politically.
 
2012-05-09 03:44:11 PM  

kukukupo: LOLOL

He has this election in the bag.


Yeah, because it's been bought and paid for. That's why they had a clown posse for the Republican "contenders."
 
2012-05-09 03:44:15 PM  

LockeOak: Obama: "Same-sex marriage should be legal."


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