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2012-05-09 03:21:24 PM

xanadian: I'm all for gay marriage (obviously). But, with that having been said:

DON'T DO IT, OBAMA!!!1!

After months and months of "it's the economy, stupid," the last thing he needs to do is tackle yet another polarizing issue. Fix (or appear to fix, since no president can "fix" the economy) the goddamn economy first, get re-elected, THEN go on the equal-rights warpath.

Christ.


I completely agree with you. Unfortunately, many pro-gay rights people are nearly demanding that he make up his mind and announce his position publicly already.
 
2012-05-09 03:21:32 PM

Janusdog: The_Sponge: Janusdog: I just can't hate Biden.


I can. That doofus is proud of the fact that he voted for the 1994 "assault weapons" ban.

Some of you gun guys give me the willies, so that's not a convincing argument.


And yet, when people point out some of the looney toons in the gay-rights camps, that same argument doesn't fly...
 
2012-05-09 03:21:32 PM
All the people worrying, "I'm afraid this will cost Obama the election." are making me think this is a good move just because it should prove wrong the idea that an openly pro-gay-marriage candidate can't get elected.
 
2012-05-09 03:21:39 PM

Romeo_Santana: I guess the economy can wait a little longer. No need to hurry on that mr president. I'm sure all those men with hungry families will be dancing in the streets.


What do you suggest Obama should have been doing in the half-hour it likely took to give an interview and say he supported legalized gay marriage?

...Or do you think human beings can only deal with one issue at any given time?

...Or is this just more partisan belly aching?
 
2012-05-09 03:22:46 PM

xanadian: I'm all for gay marriage (obviously). But, with that having been said:

DON'T DO IT, OBAMA!!!1!

After months and months of "it's the economy, stupid," the last thing he needs to do is tackle yet another polarizing issue. Fix (or appear to fix, since no president can "fix" the economy) the goddamn economy first, get re-elected, THEN go on the equal-rights warpath.

Christ.


Why is this a problem for Obama? Seriously, I don't see this damned sky falling that everyone else appears to. What's the issue?
 
2012-05-09 03:22:48 PM

LasersHurt: If you're expecting the president to push for a federal gay marriage law, you're going to be disappointed


If anyone is that stupid they need to stop thinking about politics and devote all their focus to not making a bo-bo in their pants in public again.
 
2012-05-09 03:22:48 PM
As I said last night in a thread, Obama has no real choice. His base is sitting on the sidelines, self-assured of victory, and without a clear-cut battle all that money is going to sit on the sidelines, too. So, he gets the liberals off his back about playing coy on the gay marriage issue, he infuriates the Republicans who hate gays, and all of the passive Dems get a wake up call from the anti-gay backlash and jump back in the game far enough in advance of the election that the Dems can pull out all the stops politically and financially.
 
2012-05-09 03:22:49 PM
Does anyone else get the feeling that Obama is campaigning in a moneyball sort of way? He's looking for small moves that will give him big gains with little risk. Smart move.
 
2012-05-09 03:22:52 PM

what_now: The last thing you need is to organize the fundies into voting.


They're not going to vote for a Mormon.
 
2012-05-09 03:22:59 PM
That will pretty much cook his goose.
 
2012-05-09 03:23:24 PM
"Friday: Will marry Biden"

Somebody put Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann on suicide watch, STAT! (Always a bridesmaid...)

Regards,

Joe
 
2012-05-09 03:23:29 PM

Wendy's Chili: Republican talking points - So easy, a liberal could do it.


It's cute that you think I'm a republican. It's also cute that you don't think democrats play the same games to get elected as the other side. You're adorable.
 
2012-05-09 03:23:32 PM

craig328: keytronic: kukukupo: LOLOL

He has this election in the bag. If he 'comes out' as pro-gay marriage he is gonna take a serious dive in the polls

/from the people who matter
//by that of course I mean those who vote


Well, you're certainly a master at reading polls. The people who will hate him for this already hate him, and they were coming out to vote against him already. This move is designed to recapture his momentum with the youth, a demographic he desperately needs. Disillusionment among young voters is something the GOP badly needs. It becomes harder to claim that Obama is the same old same old when he makes such a radical move (no president nor major presidential candidate has ever taken such a step.


I'm curious about why young people would find anything to like in Obama. Now, before anyone even mentions Romney...don't. Restrict this entirely to Obama for a moment.

Youth unemployment is the highest it's been since we started measuring it.

His recent creation of the student loan interest rate issue doesn't address existing loans...just any new ones after X date.

He's done jack and shiat about skyrocketing tuition until just a few months ago and his solution could end up hurting more than it helps.

No to mention the ridiculous amounts of new debt his policies and decisions have piled up that'll be the responsibility of today's youth and their kids and likely grandkids to pay off.

Believe me, I get that pretty much any election any more is to vote the lesser odious of the two but still...what about Obama appeals to young people? They have it worse now than any time in living memory.


I mean this in the nicest way - you've got a fundamental misunderstanding of the reasons young people like him, or why anyone should like any politician. It's not about getting the most prizes.

And the "debt" issue isn't "Obama made a huge debt." It's "Obama presided during a massive economic crisis after years of national mismanagement." The US has racked up debt, not "Obama."
 
2012-05-09 03:23:57 PM
Obama's been a little right of his other positions when it comes to gay rights, sandbagging his support of them. I can understand caution and care to advancing gay rights, but I have to wonder what the calculus was for waiting until after this election. Was he hoping people would do the right thing? What he counting on their failure to enable his support? Had the election been very close, would he have spoken this evening?

It'd be interesting to know.
 
2012-05-09 03:23:58 PM

Corvus: People go "I would love to have a politician who speaks what he really thinks!" and then when some politician like Biden does that he get's attacked for it.


I'll be more specific:

I would love to have a politician, who is not a complete moron, who speaks what he really thinks!
 
2012-05-09 03:24:20 PM
It's sad that a president supporting equal rights for Americans is breaking news these days :/
 
2012-05-09 03:24:23 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: Wayne 985: Do you think it could help sway blacks in general though? Not to paint with broad strokes, but he's clearly a popular figure in America's black community. Maybe some of them will be more apt to support it if he clearly comes out in favor.

I hope so.
But in my experience, there are a lot of things poor rural whites and poor urban blacks have in common and one of those things is a deep-rooted hatred of gays. They're both a religious folk.


And in my experience, poor white folk are much more receptive to the gay when you get 'em alone in a motel room late on a Friday night with a bottle of booze and a twenty sack.

Your experiences, of course, may have been less successful.
 
2012-05-09 03:24:29 PM
While gay marriage should be allowed and legal, this is a sad, calculated and purely political move in an attempt to secure re-election.
 
2012-05-09 03:24:29 PM

shivashakti: Great! He verbally endorses legalization! That's AWESOME!

However, what is he going to DO about it? Let's see an Act with gay marriage being made legal on a federal level.


Jumping on the bandwagon *before* re-election, I fear, is not going to help him do *anything* about it if he gets booted out of office. Although, if he has already alienated all the people he's going to with repealing DADT, then it might not make a difference.
 
2012-05-09 03:24:36 PM

gilgigamesh: I have always felt this way. As soon as I understood the concept of civil rights at all, it infuriated me that gays were legally prohibited from marrying.

It just seemed like irrefutable logic to me, once you accept the premise that sexual identity is hard-wired.


The situation for me (and I'm not trying to make excuses for past beliefs) was civil rights never honestly entered my realm of thinking. Nearly all white, Catholic schools up to college. Conservative family with one way of thinking growing up. On and on. I didn't even have the opportunity to contemplate the issue as anything other than a topic in a classroom until I was in college. And then it takes time for positions to evolve.

I'm rather proud of where I landed on the issue, but certainly would have preferred it to have not taken so long. Anyway, had a gay friend of mine in my wedding party a few years ago. Hopefully I get to be in his.
 
2012-05-09 03:24:39 PM

Serious Black: Even if you don't accept that sexual identity is hard-wired, it's still ludicrous. Almost everyone agrees that your religious identity is a choice. Would you ever demand that somebody only practice a certain kind of religion and tell them that their religion is illegitimate?


Well said. I agree completely.
 
2012-05-09 03:24:40 PM

Jaws_Victim: I dont understand the logic by coming out in favor of gay marriage. People that are against gay marriage will vote for Romney because he feels the same. Those pro gay marriage would vote for Obama anyway because hes the one less likely to outlaw homosexuality and marriage altogether anyway. I mean, it really does nothing and the votes will be the same come election time. Unless there is some improbable straight republican who is die hard about gays marrying and NOTHING else.


I kind of believe the opposite. If you are backward enough to be against gay marriage, there was no way you were going to vote for Obama in the first place because

a) He's black, and you would have been against interracial marriage if you had been born in the 50's.
b) He's a Dem, and you probably want to cut funding that goes to your kid's school so that it can go into a tax cut for some trust fund baby who will "trickle" his wealth down to you in the form of a minimum wage (which you also oppose) job with no benefits.
 
2012-05-09 03:24:42 PM
I'd be worried that this would back fire, (NC is a big state that Obama is trying to hold on to).

But then I remember it's only the beginning of May and we'll forget about this a couple weeks later...tops, when Obama makes another controversial statement at the risk of losing a battleground state when he says that he prefers Pat's to Geno's in South Philly.
 
2012-05-09 03:24:46 PM
Looks like the gloves are off and it is on.
 
2012-05-09 03:25:22 PM
Face the facts: Obama was going to a kookball, black-fundie Christian church for 20 years before he was even famous. He wasn't pandering for votes then, he went there of his own free will. That's why he hasn't ever actually liked gay marriage. Just like in that 2004 interview where he talks about his religion and said "I don't think marriage Is a civil right," and "Well, what I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman."
 
2012-05-09 03:25:24 PM

Theaetetus: Teit's right.


And man i wish i werent
 
2012-05-09 03:25:27 PM

valar_morghulis: inner ted: whew

i was here thinking he wouldn't spend any time focusing on the major problems facing our nation & instead just pander to a demographic.

/so relieved

Discrimination IS a major problem facing our nation.

Many Whites didn't think Jim Crow laws were all that bad back when...


i was hoping to drop my nugget of wisdom and be done, but you tempt me good sir/ma'am.

are you actually comparing the plight of blacks to teh gheys ????
 
2012-05-09 03:25:34 PM

Cythraul: xanadian: I'm all for gay marriage (obviously). But, with that having been said:

DON'T DO IT, OBAMA!!!1!

After months and months of "it's the economy, stupid," the last thing he needs to do is tackle yet another polarizing issue. Fix (or appear to fix, since no president can "fix" the economy) the goddamn economy first, get re-elected, THEN go on the equal-rights warpath.

Christ.

I completely agree with you. Unfortunately, many pro-gay rights people are nearly demanding that he make up his mind and announce his position publicly already.


Patience is a virtue. I mean, I can understand why LGBT groups would be frothing at the mouth after the NC vote, but this would not help the cause one. tiny. bit.
 
2012-05-09 03:25:35 PM

9beers: Wendy's Chili: Republican talking points - So easy, a liberal could do it.

It's cute that you think I'm a republican. It's also cute that you don't think democrats play the same games to get elected as the other side. You're adorable.


Who farking cares when IT IS "DOING THE RIGHT THING"
 
2012-05-09 03:25:38 PM

AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: what_now: The last thing you need is to organize the fundies into voting.

They're not going to vote for a Mormon.


No, but instead of staying home on election day, they'll write in jesus for president and vote for which ever nutbag Senate or Congress person can be the most hateful.

Don't get me wrong: this speech fills me with pride and gets me even more energized to vote for Obama.

But he wasn't in danger of losing the well educated, socialist, Massachusetts women vote.
 
2012-05-09 03:25:47 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: It should be a state matter


Yes. Like slavery.
 
2012-05-09 03:25:56 PM
 
2012-05-09 03:26:00 PM

MrBigglesworth: While gay marriage should be allowed and legal, this is a sad, calculated and purely political move in an attempt to secure re-election.


"He's doing the right thing, but I dislike that it might make him look good."
 
2012-05-09 03:26:01 PM

Bigdogdaddy: That will pretty much cook his goose.


Do the Right Thing, A Barak Obama joint.
 
2012-05-09 03:26:04 PM

This text is now purple: Corvus: People go "I would love to have a politician who speaks what he really thinks!" and then when some politician like Biden does that he get's attacked for it.

I'll be more specific:

I would love to have a politician, who is not a complete moron, who speaks what he really thinks!


a politician who is not a complete moron is an oxymoron.
 
2012-05-09 03:26:07 PM

Fabric_Man: He's obviously trying to bait the teatards into a frenzy, thereby miring Romney in derp and making GOP congressional candidates look less attractive. It's a big gamble.


THIS

It has the same flavor as the "war on religion/women" thing. As a response, it's only a matter of time before conservatives in congress try to pass a federal law banning gay marriage, and from Fox to Rush the derp will be in full swing, which *could* be good for Democrats.
 
2012-05-09 03:26:53 PM

Poopspasm: Does anyone else get the feeling that Obama is campaigning in a moneyball sort of way? He's looking for small moves that will give him big gains with little risk. Smart move.


Nah. All this "Obama's playing the long game" stuff is overrated. The reality is he avoided taking a firm stance on gay marriage for as long as he could until polling made clear that not taking a clear position was hurting him more than the alternative. Now that the polling dictates that he declare support for gay marriage, he will do it. If the polling indicated that he could get through the election middling it, he would have continued to prevaricate.
 
2012-05-09 03:26:56 PM
They're calling this flip-flopping, seriously?

Because people never, EVER change their minds on something. Don't you know? Once you make a decision regarding a given subject, you have to maintain that same exact unchanging belief forever.

Forever.

FOREVER!!!
 
2012-05-09 03:27:12 PM

MrBigglesworth: While gay marriage should be allowed and legal, this is a sad, calculated and purely political move in an attempt to secure re-election.


How is it sad that the president stands up to bigots and narrow minded fuc*s who go around making people feel they are lesser citizens because of who they choose to love?
 
2012-05-09 03:27:25 PM

incendi: Well, I've been delving into freeper land, and I can now safely assert that the new idiot identifier for the week will be "0h0m0".


Oh wow.

You know, sometimes I think all Obama has to do is have a YouTube political spot commercial contest that must feature the dumbass comments of his opponents. All you have to do is put up, oh, say, a 5k prize to get some seriously good spots done by amateur filmmakers.

Plus you know they'd be farking hilarious.
 
2012-05-09 03:27:34 PM

This text is now purple: Janusdog: The_Sponge: Janusdog: I just can't hate Biden.


I can. That doofus is proud of the fact that he voted for the 1994 "assault weapons" ban.

Some of you gun guys give me the willies, so that's not a convincing argument.

And yet, when people point out some of the looney toons in the gay-rights camps, that same argument doesn't fly...


That's because they're busy sucking dick, not building bunkers full of weapons in Montana somewhere just in case the US government gets on their property.
 
2012-05-09 03:28:00 PM
Not likely he "evolved". He was just lying before.
 
2012-05-09 03:28:02 PM

MrBigglesworth: While gay marriage should be allowed and legal, this is a sad, calculated and purely political move in an attempt to secure re-election.


Yes, it has nothing to do with LGBT groups demanding action from him.

//you realize that the jury is still WAY out on whether this will hurt or help his chances of reelection, so while I don't rule out the possibility it was mostly politically motivated, I think it's a moderate to large gamble.
 
2012-05-09 03:28:04 PM

Shrugging Atlas: gilgigamesh: I have always felt this way. As soon as I understood the concept of civil rights at all, it infuriated me that gays were legally prohibited from marrying.

It just seemed like irrefutable logic to me, once you accept the premise that sexual identity is hard-wired.

The situation for me (and I'm not trying to make excuses for past beliefs) was civil rights never honestly entered my realm of thinking. Nearly all white, Catholic schools up to college. Conservative family with one way of thinking growing up. On and on. I didn't even have the opportunity to contemplate the issue as anything other than a topic in a classroom until I was in college. And then it takes time for positions to evolve.

I'm rather proud of where I landed on the issue, but certainly would have preferred it to have not taken so long. Anyway, had a gay friend of mine in my wedding party a few years ago. Hopefully I get to be in his.


You shouldn't have to feel any distress that you were wrong. I know it isn't a popular word right now, but if your views don't evolve as you go through life, why live? The point of being here as a sentient being is to learn about the world around you, and as you learn, your views change.

I used to be extremely pro-gun control. Experience has educated me otherwise. I have done a complete 180 on the issue, and I am not ashamed to admit it.
 
2012-05-09 03:28:05 PM

xanadian: Cythraul: xanadian: I'm all for gay marriage (obviously). But, with that having been said:

DON'T DO IT, OBAMA!!!1!

After months and months of "it's the economy, stupid," the last thing he needs to do is tackle yet another polarizing issue. Fix (or appear to fix, since no president can "fix" the economy) the goddamn economy first, get re-elected, THEN go on the equal-rights warpath.

Christ.

I completely agree with you. Unfortunately, many pro-gay rights people are nearly demanding that he make up his mind and announce his position publicly already.

Patience is a virtue. I mean, I can understand why LGBT groups would be frothing at the mouth after the NC vote, but this would not help the cause one. tiny. bit.


Are you posting from some sort of time-vortex or do you have a really slow ISP?
 
2012-05-09 03:28:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: xanadian: I'm all for gay marriage (obviously). But, with that having been said:

DON'T DO IT, OBAMA!!!1!

After months and months of "it's the economy, stupid," the last thing he needs to do is tackle yet another polarizing issue. Fix (or appear to fix, since no president can "fix" the economy) the goddamn economy first, get re-elected, THEN go on the equal-rights warpath.

Christ.

Why is this a problem for Obama? Seriously, I don't see this damned sky falling that everyone else appears to. What's the issue?


The "LIEbrul" media narrative is that Obama abandoned the economy to focus on health care reform. You can expect to hear something similar about this.
 
2012-05-09 03:28:23 PM
I can hear the dope-smokers warming up in the wings now: What about us?
 
2012-05-09 03:28:27 PM

Ned Stark: That's a pretty optimistic thing to take away from "we will give an interview" subby.


Considering that the interview just came out and he does indeed endorse same sex marriage in it, I think I was pretty accurate.
 
2012-05-09 03:28:30 PM

MrBigglesworth: While gay marriage should be allowed and legal, this is a sad, calculated and purely political move in an attempt to secure re-election.


Yeah, welcome to American politics since 1783 or so... Hope you enjoyed your nap, Rip Van Winkle.
 
2012-05-09 03:28:44 PM

Romeo_Santana: I guess the economy can wait a little longer. No need to hurry on that mr president. I'm sure all those men with hungry families will be dancing in the streets.


Don't blame him, Republicans are the ones who made it an issue.
 
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