bigots need to get the fark out of my country and take your bible beating sanctity of marriage bullshiat with you

Fox update, now Brett Baier is talking about how the polling doesn't represent American opinion on gay marriage, as evidenced by the state referendums and constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage.

Edsel: Obama was pushed into this by Biden and Duncan's public proclaimations of support for same sex marriage.

You honestly think Obama was blindsided by Biden and Duncan on this issue?

Has anyone ventured into Free Republic to determine whether their reaction is more or less measured and rational than was their reaction to the news of Rick Santorum suspending his campaign?

Jon Stewart did a thing last on TDS wherein he took a few shots at Obama for "evolving" his position from openly supporting gay marriage as a Senator to a less open support as candidate.

And now Obama is set to endorse.

Basically this *is* Obama's position.

It's just the first time he's felt it was politically feasible to come right and say it.

The GOP will think they've tricked him into running ahead of the polls.

Instead of doing what is politically smart he's doing what's right.

Risky strategy.

In a very real way this is a political risk along the lines of killing Bin Laden.

Obama is banking on the inherent goodness and decency of the American people on this.

I don't have a joke here I just wish him good luck with that non-ironically.

/And yes, Biden ran up a trial balloon on Sunday.
//His gaffe factory persona is a lazy meme.

qorkfiend: gilgigamesh: penthesilea: About farking time.

Let Cory Booker help him write that speech. He knows what needs to be said and how to say it.

Cory Booker is pure, distilled awesome. I really hope he runs for national office.

He will. I imagine he has his eyes on the governor's mansion (though he could be savvy enough to realize he should avoid NJ state politics like the plague) or perhaps a Senate seat, and maybe 12-16 years down the road a presidential run.

I would immigrate to America just to vote for Cory Booker. He's that awesome.

bobbette: Shrugging Atlas: He's basically turning the tables on them. Rather than use a social issue in a negative fashion to drive voters to the polls like Bush/Rove did, he's coming out on the positive side of the issue in order to drag the backwards farks into the light of day so everyone can see them for what they are and be repulsed. And yep, with Romney as the nominee you just know he'll go along with them the entire way since he simply can't win without them.

This is my take as well.

I think this Gallup polling has to have been influential in the Obama decision to come out (ha, ha... oh whatever) in favour of gay marriage:
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Those independent and Democrat numbers are huge. Mostly the independent numbers. And many of the Republicans are geographically concentrated in places that Obama doesn't have a chance of winning anyways. Wow, so he's going to lose Mississippi extra hard this year? Shucks.

Wow... I didn't know the numbers had changed so much in the last few years. Is that by likely voters?

If he does, I'm pretty sure I see a lot of verbal fights in my future.
/LDS
//Has absolutely no problem if gays want to marry
///Thanks to facebook, I found I'm not alone. Lots of Mormons feel this way as well.

qorkfiend: Edsel: Obama was pushed into this by Biden and Duncan's public proclaimations of support for same sex marriage.

You honestly think Obama was blindsided by Biden and Duncan on this issue?

I didn't think anyone had any doubt about that. Unless this was all some carefully orchestrated stunt, which would seem pretty damned odd given the high risk involved for Obama.

Theaetetus: kukukupo: It has more to do with the idea of individual state's rights in my personal opinion. If a populous doesn't want to recognize a gay marriage - they should be allowed to govern these social issues by themselves. If you want gay marriage - great! Vote for it and allow it in your state (or move somewhere that allows it).

I believe the states should be able to regulate it much in the same way they can determine race for marriage licenses.

FTFY. And no, they can't.

Race and sex/gender are completely different arguments.

thurstonxhowell: Pants full of macaroni!!: SLIPPERY SLOPE!

DRINK!

Corvus: Ok for everyone saying "This is a great move" in this thread how many of were not going to vote for him and now you are? Or even give to his campaign?

I'm a bit skeptical about all the conclusions people are jumping to, but, if Obama actually endorses gay marriage tonight, I will donate $100 to his campaign. It will be the first political donation I have ever made, and will likely be the last.

So, was that enough?

I guess the economy can wait a little longer. No need to hurry on that mr president. I'm sure all those men with hungry families will be dancing in the streets.

gtp123: This will rustle some jimmies

Romeo_Santana: I guess the economy can wait a little longer. No need to hurry on that mr president. I'm sure all those men with hungry families will be dancing in the streets.

Now they can dance with their male partner?

bobbette: qorkfiend: gilgigamesh: penthesilea: About farking time.

Let Cory Booker help him write that speech. He knows what needs to be said and how to say it.

Cory Booker is pure, distilled awesome. I really hope he runs for national office.

He will. I imagine he has his eyes on the governor's mansion (though he could be savvy enough to realize he should avoid NJ state politics like the plague) or perhaps a Senate seat, and maybe 12-16 years down the road a presidential run.

I would immigrate to America just to vote for Cory Booker. He's that awesome.

A lot of THIS.

Someone tell me Booker has time pencilled in for a speech at the Dem Convention.

Cos that would be 36 different flavors of awesome.

HeartBurnKid: bobbette: Shrugging Atlas: He's basically turning the tables on them. Rather than use a social issue in a negative fashion to drive voters to the polls like Bush/Rove did, he's coming out on the positive side of the issue in order to drag the backwards farks into the light of day so everyone can see them for what they are and be repulsed. And yep, with Romney as the nominee you just know he'll go along with them the entire way since he simply can't win without them.

This is my take as well.

I think this Gallup polling has to have been influential in the Obama decision to come out (ha, ha... oh whatever) in favour of gay marriage:
[sas-origin.onstreammedia.com image 400x198]

Those independent and Democrat numbers are huge. Mostly the independent numbers. And many of the Republicans are geographically concentrated in places that Obama doesn't have a chance of winning anyways. Wow, so he's going to lose Mississippi extra hard this year? Shucks.

Wow... I didn't know the numbers had changed so much in the last few years. Is that by likely voters?

Likely voter screens are historically unreliable.

hbk72777: I'd rather have vote for a crusty old, piece of shiat Republican that tells it like they think it is than vote back in a pandering asshole like Obama. His thoughts on gays are "evolving" , yeah, that's not a cop out. He can kiss the ass of the gays, then turn around to the bible thumpers and say "welllllllll, I'm not totally convinced, I can see their point of view, but I haven't really decided, so I'm still on your side"

Yes, the good old 'spite' vote. I guess you do get the government you deserve.

If you love Fartbongo so much, why don't you marry him?

Ah sh*t - I guess that signature line has lost its buzz now.

kukukupo: D_Evans45: kukukupo: ...

I believe the states should be able to regulate it much in the same way they can determine legal age of consent


Something about the way you put this first in that paragraph, along with the general idiocy you've displayed over time here on Fark, makes me think you're the type who also thinks you should be able to marry your 16 year old second cousin. And then I clicked on your profile, and saw you're in Ohio, a state where 16 is the age of consent, and I laughed a little bit. You poor, poor soul. You're like a walking stereotype.

It makes me sad that so many people like you exist in America.

That's a pretty optimistic thing to take away from "we will give an interview" subby.

incendi: Well, I've been delving into freeper land, and I can now safely assert that the new idiot identifier for the week will be "0h0m0".

You are indeed brave, sir Knight.

Obama's timing is impeccable.

On one hand, he steals the thunder from the social conservatives celebrating their victory in NC today.

On the other, he neatly re-captures and energizes the youth and liberal components of his base (which is particularly fired-up about this issue today), who he is going to need in November.

Good, now Barry can wax Biden's Bird!

/by Bird, I mean Trans-Am, or penis.

Anybody checked in with the freepers yet? I'm not drunk enough to go over there at the moment.

while i applaud the decision, the "evolution" of the thought, more specifically the criteria against which the decision has been made, still seems a little whackadoodle.

all these words, "incredibly committed," "monogamous," "loyal" seem to be post hoc justifications (given the comparison with the epidemiological pitfalls of "straight" marriage)

Obama has my respect... I'd respect him more if he just came out and said, "Same sex couples deserve the right to marry, not because of any illusions even remotely related to the outcomes of the those relationships, but because, fundamentally, it is just the decent human thing to do. For centuries homosexuals was persecuted, and even in our progressive modern world there are still severe and unyielding voices maligning homosexuals. While my support for same-sex marriage may not quell those voices, i'd rather support the decent and humane choice."

or something like that

gilgigamesh: Shrugging Atlas: From his interview just now:

"I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I've just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married," he told ABC.

Funny thing. While it happened a few years sooner for me, and I'm not President, this is basically how I came to support the issue. Looking at the world around me.

I have always felt this way. As soon as I understood the concept of civil rights at all, it infuriated me that gays were legally prohibited from marrying.

It just seemed like irrefutable logic to me, once you accept the premise that sexual identity is hard-wired.

Even if you don't accept that sexual identity is hard-wired, it's still ludicrous. Almost everyone agrees that your religious identity is a choice. Would you ever demand that somebody only practice a certain kind of religion and tell them that their religion is illegitimate?

keytronic: kukukupo: LOLOL

He has this election in the bag. If he 'comes out' as pro-gay marriage he is gonna take a serious dive in the polls

/from the people who matter
//by that of course I mean those who vote


Well, you're certainly a master at reading polls. The people who will hate him for this already hate him, and they were coming out to vote against him already. This move is designed to recapture his momentum with the youth, a demographic he desperately needs. Disillusionment among young voters is something the GOP badly needs. It becomes harder to claim that Obama is the same old same old when he makes such a radical move (no president nor major presidential candidate has ever taken such a step.


I'm curious about why young people would find anything to like in Obama. Now, before anyone even mentions Romney...don't. Restrict this entirely to Obama for a moment.

Youth unemployment is the highest it's been since we started measuring it.

His recent creation of the student loan interest rate issue doesn't address existing loans...just any new ones after X date.

He's done jack and shiat about skyrocketing tuition until just a few months ago and his solution could end up hurting more than it helps.

No to mention the ridiculous amounts of new debt his policies and decisions have piled up that'll be the responsibility of today's youth and their kids and likely grandkids to pay off.

Believe me, I get that pretty much any election any more is to vote the lesser odious of the two but still...what about Obama appeals to young people? They have it worse now than any time in living memory.

Edsel: qorkfiend: Edsel: Obama was pushed into this by Biden and Duncan's public proclaimations of support for same sex marriage.

You honestly think Obama was blindsided by Biden and Duncan on this issue?

I didn't think anyone had any doubt about that. Unless this was all some carefully orchestrated stunt, which would seem pretty damned odd given the high risk involved for Obama.

You think that the Vice President and the Secretary of Education deliberately blindsided the President of the United States in an election year? Wow.

There's no "stunt" about any of this. Biden and Duncan were floating trial balloons, and it was undoubtedly done in close coordination with the re-election campaign.

Additionally, there is very little risk for Obama. Anyone who decides their vote based on this single issue was never voting for Obama anyway.

PSA:

Sucking dick does not make a man a homosexual,
it does however, make him a cocksucker.


HtH

Mrs.Sharpier: 9beers: I'm sure this has nothing to do with his reelection team looking at the data and making the decision that this is the way to secure the most undecided voters in the fall.

Wendy's Chili: Obama is a partisan doody-head for making a political issue out of a political issue and highlighting differences between the parties in an election year. He should be ashamed of himself, and voters of all sexual orientations should reject this kind of divisive rhetoric and vote for Mitt Romney this November.

How'm I doin'?

You're doin just fine Wendy

Republican talking points - So easy, a liberal could do it.

Last Fox update for now, they've defaulted back to talking about turrsts and how insecure Murca is.