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2012-05-09 02:27:57 PM
I understand that Obama needs to get re-elected to get things done, he is a politician just like all the others and putting up a fight over the gay marriage issue in a potentially close race could result in an decidedly unfriendly-to-gays administration.

But the WH is a huge bully pulpit that could be used to educate the populace in this issue that is close to a tipping point anyways, it might be time to minorities that civil rights are for *everyone*. It really bugs me knowing that blacks supported Prop 8 in California, how soon we forget the struggle.
 
2012-05-09 02:28:11 PM
 
2012-05-09 02:28:14 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Obama just wants to marry a U.S. citizen so he can stay in the country.


now that is coke-on-keyboard funny.
 
2012-05-09 02:28:18 PM
I may just sign up to TF again to see all the herpa-derp submissions following this from the 4000 "credible" news sites retarded blogs spinning this to oblivion.
 
2012-05-09 02:28:34 PM

Janusdog: He's smarter than that. He must have information that this is good for him to do now. This administration is really excellent at timing.


It seems like it's early enough to make a difference in the election, but not so last second that some of the undecideds will make a rash decision and make this the single issue they're voting about.
 
2012-05-09 02:28:50 PM

ModernPrimitive01: The people have spoken on whether gay marriage should be in America. Why does Obama hate state's rights?


Because it is a concept that does not exist and yet has done more to harm this country than anything else. We basically fought the Civil War over the issue and the bad guys lost.
 
2012-05-09 02:28:51 PM
Vice President Joebama, then?

It's got a nice ring to it.
 
2012-05-09 02:29:00 PM
It's sad that of all the issues that have divided various times in history this is the issue that's diving us now. And it shouldn't even be a friggin' issue in the first place.

I hope he does announce he supports it. And I hope he calls every bigoted pinhead to the carpet for campaigning against other peoples' rights when it's none of their business.
 
2012-05-09 02:29:04 PM
He's obviously trying to bait the teatards into a frenzy, thereby miring Romney in derp and making GOP congressional candidates look less attractive. It's a big gamble.
 
2012-05-09 02:29:07 PM
Just follow this plan and you will be ok Obama.

Marriage is a religious institution. If a religion refuses to marry a couple based on their race/sexual orientation/whatever, that is their prerogative. However, everyone should have the same rights that a marriage entails as anyone else.

It's that farking simple and I do not know why more people do no see it.
 
2012-05-09 02:29:14 PM
Gay people already have the right to enter into marriage with someone of the opposite sex, just like everyone else.

/Yes, that's a real conservative argument.
 
2012-05-09 02:29:15 PM

Jim.Casy: I really hope this non-issue doesn't torpedo Obama's campaign. Why the heck would gay folks anybody want to live in North Carolina anyways? Who cares what they do? Move to a good state where people have their priorities in order.


Yes, move to Chicago where the county you will live in is $140 Billion in debt and the state is in another $120 Billion in debt. Illinois needs 1/3 of Obama's Stimulus Package just to get to $0 in debt.
 
2012-05-09 02:29:16 PM
It would be nice if he did, but I'm not sure how he explains the waffling.
 
2012-05-09 02:29:29 PM

bump: I'd like to take a moment in this thread to express my love for NC.

We are not all hateful religious homophobic, bigotted zealots - most of us are rational, thinking human beings. Please do not let recent political events skew the good people of NC. We are just as embarrased about the aforementioned freakshows as the rest of the nation.

You are now returned to your thread, already in progress...


That doesn't work for the good people in Arizona.
That doesn't work for the good people in Texas.
That doesn't work for the good people in Fl-- okay, they don't have an excuse.

We accept you. We accept you. One of us. One of us!
 
2012-05-09 02:29:30 PM

colon_pow: The_Sponge: It's not flip-flopping when Obama does it.

it's called flip-flolving.


I'm not sure that this fairly counts as a flip-flop, but Obama hasn't been clear on this issue, and that is a justifiable charge against him.
 
2012-05-09 02:30:09 PM

Aarontology: Mitt Romney signed an assault weapons ban when he was governor.

The most restrictive in the country, as I recall.



But it would be fair to say that he's changed his views considering that he recently spoke an an NRA gathering. And I doubt he would say that he's proud of that moment now.

Is that flip-flopping? You be the judge. But if it is, isn't Obama a flip flopper as well?
 
2012-05-09 02:30:13 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: He's also finally making the rounds on colleges to get the young vote after he spent 4 years doing absolutely nothing to either help kids get to college, or afford it.


Other than 2010 student loan reform which removed banks as a middle man saving the government about $68B over 10 years which will be put right back into providing more student loans, sure, he's done nothing.
 
2012-05-09 02:30:18 PM
Don't sell them short, I'm sure some Republicans will welcome this decision.

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2012-05-09 02:30:18 PM

hbk72777: I'd rather have vote for a crusty old, piece of shiat Republican that tells it like they think it is than vote back in a pandering asshole like Obama.


Romney looks around the room to make sure other people are laughing, then laughs at this statement.
 
2012-05-09 02:30:19 PM
You know how I know Obama's just doing this for political reasons? Because people's view don't "evolve". Evolutionism has been debunked. People's views are Created through their connection to the Divine.
 
2012-05-09 02:30:20 PM

BigLuca: Wow. First liberal thing he has done all term.


I'm glad somebody is getting it. I'm tired of Conservative rule. Not Neo Conservative or Neo ConservaliberalReligiousism rule.
 
2012-05-09 02:30:21 PM

thurstonxhowell: bump: most of us are rational, thinking human beings.

If that's true, why didn't you guys vote?


A lot of them are under 18. Give it a few years and hopefully this stupid thing will be overturned.
 
2012-05-09 02:30:22 PM

colon_pow: The_Sponge: It's not flip-flopping when Obama does it.

it's called flip-flolving.


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2012-05-09 02:30:23 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: he spent 4 years doing absolutely nothing to either help kids get to college, or afford it.


My federal direct student loan for grad school and my sister's continued health insurance would strongly disagree.
 
2012-05-09 02:30:26 PM
Cats and Dogs

/Mass Hysteria
 
2012-05-09 02:30:46 PM

bump: I'd like to take a moment in this thread to express my love for NC.

We are not all hateful religious homophobic, bigotted zealots - most of us are rational, thinking human beings. Please do not let recent political events skew the good people of NC. We are just as embarrased about the aforementioned freakshows as the rest of the nation.

You are now returned to your thread, already in progress...


Dude, California voted for ban gay marriage a few years ago. Califreakenfornia. Don't worry.
 
2012-05-09 02:30:47 PM
It should be a state matter
 
2012-05-09 02:30:48 PM
Obama is a politician, so he's not going to announce major policy changes during an election cycle unless it involves lowering taxes or starting a war.
 
2012-05-09 02:30:50 PM
I bet he comes out against gay marriage!

But seriously, does anyone want to venture into one of the forums where the "Obama is secretly gay" conspiracy theorists hang out? I'm curious about how they're taking this news.
 
2012-05-09 02:30:57 PM

Quasar: Obama: *unzips pants*
Biden: That is a big f*ckin' deal.

theuniblog.evilspacerobot.com

I just about spit water all over my screen. Well done
 
2012-05-09 02:30:58 PM

keytronic: kukukupo: LOLOL

He has this election in the bag. If he 'comes out' as pro-gay marriage he is gonna take a serious dive in the polls

/from the people who matter
//by that of course I mean those who vote


Well, you're certainly a master at reading polls. The people who will hate him for this already hate him, and they were coming out to vote against him already. This move is designed to recapture his momentum with the youth, a demographic he desperately needs. Disillusionment among young voters is something the GOP badly needs. It becomes harder to claim that Obama is the same old same old when he makes such a radical move (no president nor major presidential candidate has ever taken such a step.


Exactly. Remember this is the President that was willing to shut the government down over Planned Parenthood. It's not that he's a principled guy (sometimes I have my doubts). Most women who care about the GOP assault on women's rights appreciated it and will not forget about that come November.
 
2012-05-09 02:30:59 PM
Personally I see this as a low risk, low reward move in terms of the November election. People that feel that strongly about gay marriage one way or another already had their minds made up about who they were or weren't going to vote for in November.

But otherwise it's pure farking win across the board. Good for him.
 
2012-05-09 02:31:13 PM

Harry Freakstorm: Barack can do better. Unless Biden's packing a Spiro Agnew


An anagram of "Spiro Agrew" is "grow a penis".
 
2012-05-09 02:31:39 PM
Don't forget Obama already ended "Dont ask, dont tell" because he thought it was the stupidest thing ever. I'm pretty sure people already suspect he is pro gay rights...I'm not so sure it would be suicide for reelection like some people are saying.
 
2012-05-09 02:31:41 PM
Sigh, why not before the NC deal?
 
2012-05-09 02:31:42 PM

bump: I'd like to take a moment in this thread to express my love for NC.

We are not all hateful religious homophobic, bigotted zealots - most of us are rational, thinking human beings. Please do not let recent political events skew the good people of NC. We are just as embarrased about the aforementioned freakshows as the rest of the nation.

You are now returned to your thread, already in progress...


Nope. Too late. Based on your votes you are not embarrassed. Only 13 farking percent of your registered voters voted to stop this horrible amendment. So you will be lumped in with the homophobic mouth breathers who celebrate this kind of thing.
 
2012-05-09 02:31:48 PM

Janusdog: Some of you gun guys give me the willies, so that's not a convincing argument.



The fact that he was PROUD of restricting our rights isn't a convincing argument? Okay.
 
2012-05-09 02:31:55 PM
It's a civil rights issue. I can't in good conscience vote for someone who isn't for equal rights for everyone. I'm so sick of the hypocrisy of people. It's not stupidity....it's hypocrisy.
 
2012-05-09 02:32:00 PM
Obama will probably give some carefully crafted wording that is sympathetic towards gay marriage but stop short of actually endorsing it.

Remember folks, there are a lot of stupid bigoted right wingers who with tribalist thinking honestly believe that "The only people who support gay rights are gays".

As subby demonstrates actual endorsement would lead many of those mouth breathers to add "Obama is secretly gay" to their basket of crazy.
 
2012-05-09 02:32:10 PM

fruitloop: Harry Freakstorm: Barack can do better. Unless Biden's packing a Spiro Agnew

An anagram of "Spiro Agrew" is "grow a penis".


*Agnew even.

/fark
 
2012-05-09 02:32:15 PM
Hmm... Could fire up his progressive and youth base, who've been somewhat apathetic lately. I'm totally in favor of marriage equality, but I hope this doesn't backfire.
 
2012-05-09 02:33:03 PM
That newsflash had 'The Onion' written all over it.
 
2012-05-09 02:33:04 PM

Quasar: Obama: *unzips pants*
Biden: That is a big f*ckin' deal.


This is why I look for you in threads.
 
2012-05-09 02:33:07 PM

The_Sponge: Aarontology: Mitt Romney signed an assault weapons ban when he was governor.

The most restrictive in the country, as I recall.


But it would be fair to say that he's changed his views considering that he recently spoke an an NRA gathering. And I doubt he would say that he's proud of that moment now.

Is that flip-flopping? You be the judge. But if it is, isn't Obama a flip flopper as well?


So Obama has flip flopped on one issue for the better. Romney has flopped on almost every issue for the worse.

You should go with that.
 
2012-05-09 02:33:10 PM
If he does and he loses the election because of it, the US deserves everything it gets after that. Mitt Romney and the current GOP will be our punishment for the majority of our population being immoral, bigoted, hypocritical douchebags.
 
2012-05-09 02:33:12 PM
I'm torn. Do I want him to do the right thing, or win and then do the right thing? I guess it doesn't really matter to me so long as he does the right thing.
Then again, if there are a lot of terminally ill gays that really really need to be married now, then I say do it.
 
2012-05-09 02:33:17 PM
Why the hell would you care if a dude wants to marry a dude, or a chick and chick? "It's gross" was the consensus from the guys at work when it came up awhile back. As a straight male I'd consider the act of gay guy sex pretty gross, lesbians different story. However, the common sense part of me says, so what? He wants to have gross gay sex with his husband all night, bombs away. She wants to strap on a rigid plastic instrument and plow away at her wifes vaginal cavity, have at it. Why shouldnt anybody be allowed to marry because of the different holes they beat on at night?

/If you wanna ruin your life with marriage gay people, go for it
 
2012-05-09 02:33:39 PM
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2012-05-09 02:33:42 PM
The only thing Obama needs to say is: "My views on the topic of gay marriage are unimportant. The fact is that a government which would deny citizens their right to live and love as they choose - free from the pressures and prejudices of others - is not a freedom-loving government."

I'd like for him to add: "If you do not like gay marriage, don't attend, host or have one. If you believe that religion cannot abode gay marriage, do not attend services at such a house of worship. If you cannot abide a gay couple living on your street, it is YOU who must search for a home more welcoming to your prejudices. America is a freedom-loving nation - we are free to love whom we choose."
 
2012-05-09 02:33:48 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: If he announces his support of SSM it will be one of the politically bravest things an up-for-reelection POTUS has ever done. It could really backfire with the religious blacks who voted for him in 2008.

I sound like Rick Romero.


Do you think it could help sway blacks in general though? Not to paint with broad strokes, but he's clearly a popular figure in America's black community. Maybe some of them will be more apt to support it if he clearly comes out in favor.
 
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