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2012-05-09 06:20:06 PM  

MythDragon: Well, that's it then. I guess I am gonna have to start making my own movies.
Were is Grable's Daughter?
I need an attention whore for my 'movie'


Came here for Finn and Jake. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-05-09 06:21:17 PM  

quizkid8279: The huge numbers for "The Avengers" and "The Hunger Games" show that piracy isn't putting much of a dent in the studios' wallets. I saw both movies on opening weekend, have cam rips of both, and intend on buying the Blu-rays when they come out. (I vote with my wallet, and my wallet likes good movies with the best possible picture quality.)



Ticket sales have nothing to do with whether or not a film is profitable, and this is by design. Hell, they even call it "Hollywood Accounting," because no matter how much a film makes at the box office they virtually always come out in the red, which lets the studios stiff anyone and everyone involved who was dumb and/or naïve enough to take points off of the net as compensation. This is the industry that can claim with a straight face that Harry Potter IV, a movie that sold almost a billion dollars in tickets, ended up almost $200 million in the red; or that Return of the Jedi still hasn't turned a profit.

Whether a film made $100 million, $500 million, or $1 billion at the box office doesn't make a bit of difference; they always find a way to shuffle their spreadsheets to make it look like piracy is eating their lunch. The most creative people in Hollywood use Excel spreadsheets as their medium.
 
2012-05-09 06:22:58 PM  
Um.

*sigh*

;)
 
2012-05-09 06:23:56 PM  
Sorry pirates but this is the end of piracy. Just look at how well the warnings on cigarette packs worked.
 
2012-05-09 06:27:14 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: bim1154: I just don't give a shiat. If I want it and it's available, then I just get it. I'm indifferent to the whole copyright thing. It's about me.

And yet you expect artists to keep giving you free stuff because... just because.


How much do you think artists make on residuals for movie DVDs?

How about I just send them a dollar a year and they don't bug me any more?
 
2012-05-09 06:29:09 PM  

bim1154: AssAsInAssassin: bim1154: I just don't give a shiat. If I want it and it's available, then I just get it. I'm indifferent to the whole copyright thing. It's about me.

And yet you expect artists to keep giving you free stuff because... just because.

I'm special.

You're SPECIAL! The world owes you whatever you want from minute to minute!

See above.

/Not an artist, are you?
//Didn't think so.

No and I still don't care. But if I did, maybe I would say if the artists had any farking balls, then they would stand up against the powers that be and demand more control over what they do and what they get paid per album etc... and then I would have some respect for them and maybe even buy something now and then. But, as it is now.... bla bla bla.


Never underestimate the power of rationalization.
 
2012-05-09 06:32:14 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: AssAsInAssassin: bim1154: I just don't give a shiat. If I want it and it's available, then I just get it. I'm indifferent to the whole copyright thing. It's about me.

And yet you expect artists to keep giving you free stuff because... just because.

How much do you think artists make on residuals for movie DVDs?

How about I just send them a dollar a year and they don't bug me any more?


If I understand your question, you're asking me if I think that because artist gets ripped off by their label makes it OK for you to to rip them off even more.

No. I don't think that.
 
2012-05-09 06:33:28 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: bim1154: AssAsInAssassin: bim1154: I just don't give a shiat. If I want it and it's available, then I just get it. I'm indifferent to the whole copyright thing. It's about me.

And yet you expect artists to keep giving you free stuff because... just because.

I'm special.

You're SPECIAL! The world owes you whatever you want from minute to minute!

See above.

/Not an artist, are you?
//Didn't think so.

No and I still don't care. But if I did, maybe I would say if the artists had any farking balls, then they would stand up against the powers that be and demand more control over what they do and what they get paid per album etc... and then I would have some respect for them and maybe even buy something now and then. But, as it is now.... bla bla bla.

Never underestimate the power of rationalization.


I'm so glad you understand... LOL
 
2012-05-09 06:34:03 PM  
--write-thru--

If I understand your question, you're asking me if I think that because an artist gets ripped off by their label that makes it OK for you to to rip them off even more.

No. I don't think that.

Fixed that for me.
 
2012-05-09 06:34:44 PM  
I think I'll just skip the whole DVD-rip-burn-download-buy-pirate-rent thing and read books. I'm not an elitist, It just sounds easier.
 
2012-05-09 06:35:33 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: --write-thru--

If I understand your question, you're asking me if I think that because an artist gets ripped off by their label that makes it OK for you to to rip them off even more.

No. I don't think that.

Fixed that for me.


ah... when you have lack of things to say... attack spelling and grammar. I think we're done with you... you're boring now.
 
2012-05-09 06:41:00 PM  
Can anyone offer a valid, non-selfish rationalization for why it's OK to deprive an artist of revenues just because it's easy?

So is taking candy from a baby. That's supposed to be a bad thing.
 
2012-05-09 06:41:32 PM  

bim1154: ... I occasionally get something that is halfway decent a few times a year, but they are far and few between. Most of the big special effects movies are so over the top these days that any story gets lost in the seizure causing shiat...


no joke.
 
2012-05-09 06:42:46 PM  
AnyDVD HD.

That is all you need to know.
 
2012-05-09 06:43:46 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: Can anyone offer a valid, non-selfish rationalization for why it's OK to deprive an artist of revenues just because it's easy?

So is taking candy from a baby. That's supposed to be a bad thing.


If you're looking to make money go into investment banking. Art should be done for arts sake, not the sake of the almighty dollar. Having to pay for art cheapens it by putting a price on something that should be viewed as priceless.
 
2012-05-09 06:43:46 PM  

bim1154: AssAsInAssassin: --write-thru--

If I understand your question, you're asking me if I think that because an artist gets ripped off by their label that makes it OK for you to to rip them off even more.

No. I don't think that.

Fixed that for me.

ah... when you have lack of things to say... attack spelling and grammar. I think we're done with you... you're boring now.


Do you understand that I was correcting my own grammar? (Obviously not.)

I edited that post without proofing it, and corrected myself.

I don't think I'm done with you... you're amusing.
 
2012-05-09 06:46:01 PM  
Ah this is the thread where people rationalize stealing copyrighted works, it's been a while since I saw one of these.
 
2012-05-09 06:46:44 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: AssAsInAssassin: Can anyone offer a valid, non-selfish rationalization for why it's OK to deprive an artist of revenues just because it's easy?

So is taking candy from a baby. That's supposed to be a bad thing.

If you're looking to make money go into investment banking. Art should be done for arts sake, not the sake of the almighty dollar. Having to pay for art cheapens it by putting a price on something that should be viewed as priceless.


How much do you value it? Not at all? Enough to help the artist make something else you like? Every minute that artist spends waiting tables is a minute they're not making music for you to steal.
 
2012-05-09 06:47:53 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Ah this is the thread where people rationalize stealing copyrighted works, it's been a while since I saw one of these.


I know, right?
 
2012-05-09 06:48:20 PM  
Year after year, the content gets worse, the cost goes up and it becomes more of a pain in the ass to use.

I won't go to the theater any more because every other person is on their cellphone or having a loud conversation.

Concerts are awful, too. There's the Ticketmaster buttrape fees, more for parking, $40 t-shirts and $15 beers. That's assuming that there are any tickets available, instead of them selling out in three minutes forcing you to pay 3-4 times face value.

Finally, there's the Loudness War where the mastering is wrecked on pretty much any new release.

That's it, I'm done.

Nice way to fark things up, Big Media. I would drop a couple hundred a month on entertainment - I don't pirate - but it's not worth it. I'll spend it instead on beer and cat toys.

/I sound old
//Why, yes, that is an onion on my belt
///Get off my lawn, precious snowflakes
 
2012-05-09 06:49:07 PM  

Kali-Yuga: [www.the-monkey.net image 499x341]


I'd kill your mother if it would shut you up!

/I mean the MPAA, not Kali-Yuga.
 
2012-05-09 06:49:29 PM  

JustMatt: So, what would Farkers recommend for ripping my DVD collection to a digital format? I would really like to setup a media PC, Roku, or some other dedicated media device to my TV and be able to play my movies / TV shows I have in hard copy without needing to change discs. Thanks for any suggestions.


DVDShrink + Handbrake
 
2012-05-09 06:50:38 PM  

Mikey1969: That screen, like the others, presumably will be made unskippable during viewing.

Thank God for DVDFab, best DVD Duping proggie out there, IMHO, Rips, decodes, converts, all in one. Also lets you pick and choose what to keep and what not to keep, while telling you the quality of the copy, based on throwing away more stuff. On top of that, they specifically have a setting to remove these warnings. Every time there is a new protection scheme out, they have an update to counter it.


I find this verra intahresting...

For, you know, research purposes. Academics and that junk.
 
2012-05-09 06:51:08 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: Communist_Manifesto: AssAsInAssassin: Can anyone offer a valid, non-selfish rationalization for why it's OK to deprive an artist of revenues just because it's easy?

So is taking candy from a baby. That's supposed to be a bad thing.

If you're looking to make money go into investment banking. Art should be done for arts sake, not the sake of the almighty dollar. Having to pay for art cheapens it by putting a price on something that should be viewed as priceless.

How much do you value it? Not at all? Enough to help the artist make something else you like? Every minute that artist spends waiting tables is a minute they're not making music for you to steal.


Then they should be a crust punk and not have a job to make their art if they're serious about it. If you make your art for commercial purposes then yes, it has no value.
 
2012-05-09 06:51:11 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: Can anyone offer a valid, non-selfish rationalization for why it's OK to deprive an artist of revenues just because it's easy?

So is taking candy from a baby. That's supposed to be a bad thing.


Everyone knows the artists make their money on the road touring, selling merch, doing signings etc and eventually they sell out to big car commercials, fast food chains, and eventually die by doing voice overs on the simpsons, or going to vegas. It's the circle of life.
 
2012-05-09 06:51:32 PM  
I haven't watched any of my moderately-sized DVD collection (a couple hundred movies and TV boxed-sets) since forever. I buy them and immediately rip them to an .M4V so I can play them on my computer, laptop, or iTouch. Special features, commentary and all. The only DVD I own where the menu adds anything is This Is Spinal Tap, only because each item on the menu has really funny commentary by the band.

JustMatt: So, what would Farkers recommend for ripping my DVD collection to a digital format? I would really like to setup a media PC, Roku, or some other dedicated media device to my TV and be able to play my movies / TV shows I have in hard copy without needing to change discs. Thanks for any suggestions.


If you have a mac, you can't go wrong with Handbrake. While it has Linux and Windows ports, they aren't as good.
 
2012-05-09 06:52:38 PM  
Hey Subby this man would like a word about pirating films.

upload.wikimedia.org

From the wiki:

upload.wikimedia.org

Méliès had intended to release the film in the United States to profit from it. Thomas Edison's film technicians, however, secretly made copies of it and distributed it throughout the country. While the film was still hugely successful, Méliès eventually went bankrupt. This was due in part to the eventual view which was held towards his films that the special effects were overshadowing the plot.

In an interview of Martin Scorsese by Jon Stewart on The Daily Show, Scorsese said, "He [Georges Méliès] lost basically most of his financing when the bigger companies came in. What happened here. . . at that time there was a lot going on with copyright and not copyright and that sort of thing." Stewart said, "There is a story that Edison had taken one of his [Georges Méliès] films, brought it to America and showed it and it became enormously popular in America. But Edison decided not to pay I guess what we would call royalties." Scorsese replied: "That's right. So what happened, the film was I think the famous one, 'A Trip to the Moon.' They [Thomas Edison and his associates] were just taking the films and making dupes of them. So that was one of the reasons why he [Georges Méliès] was finished financially, ultimately."

/wiki hot links.
 
2012-05-09 06:55:47 PM  
The headline reads as if DVDs weren't the latest technology. Subby must have them confused with VHS tapes - or 8mm or 16mm reel movies.
 
2012-05-09 06:56:34 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Ah this is the thread where people rationalize stealing copyrighted works, it's been a while since I saw one of these.


There was a point a couple decades ago where the music and movie industry had to address the changing technology, specifically the internet. They had two choices:

A) Change their business model and perpetuate the progress while profiting from it
B) Hire an army of lawyers to sue everyone

Their choice is public knowledge and they can go fark themselves for it.

And those highly insulting commercials about how movies and music will disappear because of piracy put me over the edge. You know how piracy will change music, there will be no more Brittany Spears or Boyz to Men!

They expect us to believe that musicians are going to stop making music and work at Starbucks? Fark off, chooing between being a barista and touring the country banging groupies (while still being a millionaire likely) is not much of a choice.

The sooner the RIAA dies, the better for everyone except the corporations who profit of the music.
 
2012-05-09 06:56:51 PM  
You wouldn't shoot a Policeman and then steal his helmet. You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet, and then send it to the Policeman's grieving widow, and then steal it again. Downloading films is stealing; if you do it you WILL face the consequences!


i2.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-09 06:59:38 PM  

bim1154: AssAsInAssassin: bim1154: I just don't give a shiat. If I want it and it's available, then I just get it. I'm indifferent to the whole copyright thing. It's about me.

And yet you expect artists to keep giving you free stuff because... just because.

I'm special.

You're SPECIAL! The world owes you whatever you want from minute to minute!

See above.

/Not an artist, are you?
//Didn't think so.

No and I still don't care. But if I did, maybe I would say if the artists had any farking balls, then they would stand up against the powers that be and demand more control over what they do and what they get paid per album etc... and then I would have some respect for them and maybe even buy something now and then. But, as it is now.... bla bla bla.


They can make their money touring.
 
2012-05-09 07:02:01 PM  

AssAsInAssassin:


How much do you value it? Not at all? Enough to help the artist make something else you like? Every minute that artist spends waiting tables is a minute they're not making music for you to steal.


I'm gonna' pirate all your posts until you rage quit this thread
 
2012-05-09 07:04:15 PM  

KangTheMad: So, If I dowloaded an old sandbox game by Sierra, whom are no longer in existence and the game is not in any stores, then who the hell am I causing a profit loss to?


Valve.
 
2012-05-09 07:07:21 PM  
Unskippable anything is completely unacceptable. The industry hates its customers. It's the only explanation. If I buy a disc, I should be able to play it as soon as my DVD player has started spinning it round and round.
 
2012-05-09 07:07:33 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Ah this is the thread where people rationalize stealing copyrighted works, it's been a while since I saw one of these.


Not exactly. This is the thread where dipshiats who can't understand the difference between stealing and copyright infringement come to show off their ignorance.
 
2012-05-09 07:07:46 PM  

umad: JustMatt: So, what would Farkers recommend for ripping my DVD collection to a digital format? I would really like to setup a media PC, Roku, or some other dedicated media device to my TV and be able to play my movies / TV shows I have in hard copy without needing to change discs. Thanks for any suggestions.

dvddecrypter and AutoGK


Those were both outdated and largely useless by 2007.
 
2012-05-09 07:09:01 PM  

umad: Representative of the unwashed masses: Ah this is the thread where people rationalize stealing copyrighted works, it's been a while since I saw one of these.

Not exactly. This is the thread where dipshiats who can't understand the difference between stealing and copyright infringement come to show off their ignorance.


I don't even bother to justify it. It's like stealing air. If something is so readily available that you literally can get it for free from thousands of sources, it's not worth bothering to worry about.
 
2012-05-09 07:09:53 PM  

foxyshadis: umad: JustMatt: So, what would Farkers recommend for ripping my DVD collection to a digital format? I would really like to setup a media PC, Roku, or some other dedicated media device to my TV and be able to play my movies / TV shows I have in hard copy without needing to change discs. Thanks for any suggestions.

dvddecrypter and AutoGK

Those were both outdated and largely useless by 2007.


Yeah, I was going to mention that my info is probably out of date. I ripped all of my shiat a few years ago and haven't looked back. It is easier to just download them.
 
2012-05-09 07:10:24 PM  

ChefJoe: Loose_Stool: can somebody please tell me why there is a 5 minute commercial for bluray disks at the beginning of every bluray disk?
It is a bluray disk i don't need an ad for something i already have!

Can someone tell me why my _DVDs_ have a 5 minute commercial with jazzy music and lots of scenes from movies extolling the superior video experience offered by blu-ray discs (with side by side comparisons of DVD and "BluRay quality").


I'm not sure, because I'm at just as much as loss as to why they're on my blu-ray discs that I buy on sale at Best Buy every Sunday for 8 bucks a piece. Of course, if instead of waiting, if I want to watch a movie right meow, I'll just download it instead.
 
2012-05-09 07:10:39 PM  

KangTheMad: So, If I dowloaded an old sandbox game by Sierra, whom are no longer in existence and the game is not in any stores, then who the hell am I causing a profit loss to?


I think the term you're looking for is abandonware.
 
2012-05-09 07:14:25 PM  
What exactly IS the Dept of Homeland Security's juridiction?
They are freaking out over this and I heard about how they seized a gajillion dollars worth of Chinese knockoff NFL jerseys last week.

Is there anyone there who is watching out for actual security of the homeland?
 
2012-05-09 07:15:44 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: AssAsInAssassin: Communist_Manifesto: AssAsInAssassin: Can anyone offer a valid, non-selfish rationalization for why it's OK to deprive an artist of revenues just because it's easy?

So is taking candy from a baby. That's supposed to be a bad thing.

If you're looking to make money go into investment banking. Art should be done for arts sake, not the sake of the almighty dollar. Having to pay for art cheapens it by putting a price on something that should be viewed as priceless.

How much do you value it? Not at all? Enough to help the artist make something else you like? Every minute that artist spends waiting tables is a minute they're not making music for you to steal.

Then they should be a crust punk and not have a job to make their art if they're serious about it. If you make your art for commercial purposes then yes, it has no value.


i43.photobucket.com

 
2012-05-09 07:20:01 PM  

dready zim: If I bought movies I would just rip them at full quality with my pirated nero, strip out the ads n stuff with pirated adobe suite then burn a full quality copy back onto the disc with pirated nero so it would just autoplay.


And I would give you a couple of bucks for your trouble if you were to *cough* distribute a few of these disks to me.
 
2012-05-09 07:20:21 PM  
WTF is a Homeland Security Special Agent? When did that happen? Why do we need a second FBI? Or an ATF or a DEA for that matter.
 
2012-05-09 07:20:23 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: Can anyone offer a valid, non-selfish rationalization for why it's OK to deprive an artist of revenues just because it's easy?

So is taking candy from a baby. That's supposed to be a bad thing.


This is an outdated thought process gleefully jumped on by the MPAA types.

Many, MANY artists release freebies to people because they know that's not where the money is.

The money is in the shows and marketing that takes advantage of today's technology. People are willing to pay a fair price for good product. If this were not the case, the intartubes would have spelled instant death for music cds and movie dvds. Those are both still billion dollar industries.

Most standard contracts offer a lump sum and then very minor royalties/residuals anyway. They make up a very small portion of any money the artist sees.

Although, try and get numbers for dvd sales.

I suggest you Google Louis CK and how he's handling the staggering failure of his new marketing and distribution campaign.
 
2012-05-09 07:21:20 PM  

One Bad Apple: AssAsInAssassin:


How much do you value it? Not at all? Enough to help the artist make something else you like? Every minute that artist spends waiting tables is a minute they're not making music for you to steal.

I'm gonna' pirate all your posts until you rage quit this thread


Yarrrrr!
 
2012-05-09 07:23:45 PM  

OgreMagi: BikerRay: Even more stupid in Canada. Because, believe it or not, the FBI is not Canadian.

Well, not yet.


images.wikia.com
 
2012-05-09 07:25:37 PM  
I would buy DVDs and never watch them. Then, the movie shows up on TV censored with commercials and I watch it.
 
2012-05-09 07:27:26 PM  

Robo Beat: Whether a film made $100 million, $500 million, or $1 billion at the box office doesn't make a bit of difference; they always find a way to shuffle their spreadsheets to make it look like piracy is eating their lunch. The most creative people in Hollywood use Excel spreadsheets as their medium.


The net is a myth, always go for the gross.


IRTFA:
I don't know what warnings you people are talking about, the only ones I ever see say that all actors and actresses are over the age of 18.
 
2012-05-09 07:30:49 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: Can anyone offer a valid, non-selfish rationalization for why it's OK to deprive an artist of revenues just because it's easy?

So is taking candy from a baby. That's supposed to be a bad thing.


Maybe because numerous studies have shown that pirating increases sales?
 
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