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2012-05-09 03:12:49 PM
as long as they don't join in basketball
 
2012-05-09 03:24:32 PM
Big10 or GTFO
 
2012-05-09 03:26:36 PM
Notre Dame football will not join any conference. It would end their $$$ deal with NBC.

Did I mention their very lucrative exclusive NBC deal?
 
2012-05-09 03:26:57 PM
Notre Dame is welcome to that shiatty conference. I'm really hoping FSU and Clemson bail for the Big 12.
 
2012-05-09 03:28:41 PM

bmr68: Notre Dame football will not join any conference. It would end their $$$ deal with NBC.

Did I mention their very lucrative exclusive NBC deal?


It's not very lucrative compared with the hauls other schools are pulling in now.
 
2012-05-09 03:29:51 PM
Oh Notre Dame. Kim Kardashian doesn't think as highly of herself as you do of yourself.
 
2012-05-09 03:31:15 PM

bmr68: Notre Dame football will not join any conference. It would end their $$$ deal with NBC.

Did I mention their very lucrative exclusive NBC deal?


Now if only every Duke basketball wasn't on ESPN, we would have a utopian society.

/Uhhh maybe if we ended all war and world hunger too
 
2012-05-09 03:37:34 PM
Why would they even think of joining what is left of the Big 12? So they can play Kansas in front of 10 people?
 
2012-05-09 03:39:04 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: Notre Dame is welcome to that shiatty conference. I'm really hoping FSU and Clemson bail for the Big 12.


Yep. Seeing the ACC turn (even more) into a basketball conference by adding Syracuse and Pitt was the last straw for me. Let Swofford and his buddies in the research triangle play for those basketball-TV pennies while the football schools leave to earn the football-TV dollars.
 
2012-05-09 03:41:47 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: It's not very lucrative compared with the hauls other schools are pulling in now.


True. The ACC and ESPN just extended their deal through 2027. It's worth about $17 million per year for each school.
 
2012-05-09 03:42:00 PM

TheGreatGazoo: Why would they even think of joining what is left of the Big 12? So they can play Kansas in front of 10 people?


I'd rather my school get $25Million a year to play Kansas than $13Million a year to play Wake Forest.

Plus, the Big 12 could include Texas, OU, Okie St, WVU, FSU, Clemson and KSU. It's not the NFC East, but it beats the crap out of the ACC.
 
2012-05-09 03:42:23 PM
according to the NYTimes yesterday: The next critical Jenga piece is Notre Dame, which would definitely leave if the basketball universities left - and could possibly leave even if they don't. The A.C.C. is the most likely destination. The Irish's television contract with NBC, currently under negotiation, will go a long way in determining their future

- as will how they fare as a stakeholder in the new college football playoff. That appears to be safe and stable for now.

If Notre Dame leaves for the A.C.C., its only realistic destination, the A.C.C. will take Connecticut or Rutgers to make it a 16-team league. And that would send all the Big East blocks tumbling.
 
2012-05-09 03:45:26 PM

SlothB77: If Notre Dame leaves for the A.C.C., its only realistic destination, the A.C.C. will take Connecticut or Rutgers to make it a 16-team league. And that would send all the Big East blocks tumbling.


If the ACC added Rutgers and UConn, it would have to add ND to keep its football schools. There is no way in hell that FSU, Clemson, Miami and probably GT would stay if Rutgers and UConn were added. (VT would probably have to stay since it and UVA lobbied so hard to get into the ACC in the first place.)
 
2012-05-09 03:51:08 PM

The_Great_Hambino: SlothB77: If Notre Dame leaves for the A.C.C., its only realistic destination, the A.C.C. will take Connecticut or Rutgers to make it a 16-team league. And that would send all the Big East blocks tumbling.

If the ACC added Rutgers and UConn, it would have to add ND to keep its football schools. There is no way in hell that FSU, Clemson, Miami and probably GT would stay if Rutgers and UConn were added. (VT would probably have to stay since it and UVA lobbied so hard to get into the ACC in the first place.)


that part was actually also taken from the NYTimes article too. I didn't put quotes around that.

I don't think FSU, Miami, Clemson etc would mind at all if UConn and Rutgers were added.
 
2012-05-09 04:01:58 PM
Meh, I can't see FSU, Clemson or Notre Dame going to the Big XII, especially Notre Dame.
 
2012-05-09 04:06:15 PM
Indiana, of course, being known for its many miles of gorgeous Atlantic coastline.
 
2012-05-09 04:08:35 PM

basemetal: Meh, I can't see FSU, Clemson or Notre Dame going to the Big XII, especially Notre Dame.


Why would they? I dont get that at all, go to the big 12 and lose or stay in the ACC and have an easier path? Hmmmmmmmm thats a hard choice.......

I think the big east is dead soon and I am really hoping the big 12 continues to have issues just because they deserve to die off since they killed any shot at the start of CFB playoffs a few years ago.
 
2012-05-09 04:10:24 PM
Football:
ACC is better than B1G in Notre Dame's view. Notre Dame has not been good at football recently and most years they have an easier shot of winning a league title in the ACC than in the B1G.

Basketball:
ACC is a strong basketball league and a good place for Notre Dame's program.

Intangibles:
They get to hang out with Boston College in the ACC as opposed to a bunch of land grant liberals in the B1G.

Personally I think Notre Dame is going to have to join up. Comcast buying out NBC seems to foreshadow the end of ND's lucrative independent contract. Comcast has already tried to stick ND on Versus (to anchor a CFB schedule designed to steal viewers from ESPN). Notre Dame didn't like the idea of being exiled to cable and had a fit over that. Basically I think when it comes time for ND to do its next contract, Comcast is going to offer them a decent deal but nothing on par with what the PAC12 and B1G are making off their networks.
 
2012-05-09 04:10:40 PM
Ridiculous. Notre Dame is LESS likely to join a conference with this proposed championship format. You want Notre Dame to join a conference, only allow conference champions to play in the playoffs.
 
2012-05-09 04:11:21 PM

Scrotastic Method: Indiana, of course, being known for its many miles of gorgeous Atlantic coastline.


Makes as much sense as Florida State.

Seriously...Gainesville is closer to the Atlantic than Tallahassee, innit?
 
2012-05-09 04:17:15 PM

ha-ha-guy: ACC is better than B1G in Notre Dame's view. Notre Dame has not been good at football recently and most years they have an easier shot of winning a league title in the ACC than in the B1G.


Lets not act like the big 10 has been wildly successful either.......
 
2012-05-09 04:19:18 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: bmr68: Notre Dame football will not join any conference. It would end their $$$ deal with NBC.

Did I mention their very lucrative exclusive NBC deal?

It's not very lucrative compared with the hauls other schools are pulling in now.




Will see what happens after 2015. That will be the first renegotiation with Comcast as owners.
 
2012-05-09 04:23:07 PM
That would be very courageous indeed.
 
2012-05-09 04:23:18 PM

steamingpile: ha-ha-guy: ACC is better than B1G in Notre Dame's view. Notre Dame has not been good at football recently and most years they have an easier shot of winning a league title in the ACC than in the B1G.

Lets not act like the big 10 has been wildly successful either.......


Where did I act like that exactly? Just to point out, Notre Dame was 1-2 vs RichRod coached Michigan teams. Conference play would kick ND's ass. They have a much better shot at building to be powerful in the ACC. FSU, VT, and Clemson (depending on which Daboo shows up) all look good. Miami has the potential to be again good, but should be getting a bomb dropped on them due to the Shapiro stuff. At the end of the day though it is much easier for ND to build better facilities and steal recruits from ACC schools than it is for them to try to outbuild Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Penn State (post kiddie rape thing). In the B1G you face a lot more fanatical fan bases. In the ACC you face a lot of fan bases that are busy waiting for basketball season to start.
 
2012-05-09 04:36:42 PM
notre dame played Maryland in 2011 in maryland, though it counted as a notre dame home game (???), and absolutely trounced them. Though, everybody trounced maryland in 2011, including their own uniforms designs.
 
2012-05-09 05:08:13 PM
I hate conferences. They are protection rackets and the NCAA is the mob.
 
2012-05-09 05:25:51 PM
A third rate team for a third rate conference.
 
2012-05-09 05:47:02 PM
They have no reason to join the big 12. The only advantage they would have would be a slightly tougher schedule, but they're playing perennial Big 12 powerhouse OU the next 5 seasons anyway, so they've got the toughest part of the big 12 scheduled anyway.

I see them going ACC if they actually decide to join the conference.
 
2012-05-09 06:09:08 PM
Starting to wish VT would just jump ship and gtfo of that conference. It's going to be murder in basketball in a few years, and the conference football games are just ridiculously boring. I'd rather go 7-5 in a tough conference and have the chance to get better because of compeition and high profile than continue in this plateau of mediocrity.
 
2012-05-09 06:55:17 PM
They can take PSUs spot in the B1G
 
2012-05-09 06:58:39 PM

p the boiler: They can take PSUs spot in the B1G


What does that do for us?
 
2012-05-09 07:08:42 PM

TheGreatGazoo: Why would they even think of joining what is left of the Big 12? So they can play Kansas in front of 10 people?


I have a feeling if Notre Dame came to Lawrence it would be a sell out.
 
2012-05-09 07:35:59 PM
What a farkin mess. And fark ND.
 
2012-05-09 07:41:32 PM

YouWinAgainGravity: Starting to wish VT would just jump ship and gtfo of that conference. It's going to be murder in basketball in a few years, and the conference football games are just ridiculously boring. I'd rather go 7-5 in a tough conference and have the chance to get better because of compeition and high profile than continue in this plateau of mediocrity.


No way man, we've got this now that Greenberg is gone. Say what you will about his recruiting, the man did NOT know how to adapt in basketball. "This is our gameplan and we're going to stick with it" is not an acceptable answer when your gameplan clearly isn't working. See also; Stinespring.

I think things are looking up in Football and Basketball now. As long as Thomas doesn't jump pro after this year.
 
2012-05-09 08:30:58 PM

mitchcumstein1: TheGreatGazoo: Why would they even think of joining what is left of the Big 12? So they can play Kansas in front of 10 people?

I have a feeling if Notre Dame came to Lawrence it would be a sell out.


Notre Dame will sell out in a lot of places because their Notre Dame, even though they suck lately they have a huge following.
 
2012-05-09 08:31:04 PM

mitchcumstein1: TheGreatGazoo: Why would they even think of joining what is left of the Big 12? So they can play Kansas in front of 10 people?

I have a feeling if Notre Dame came to Lawrence it would be a sell out.


And some Kansas fans might even show up too.
 
2012-05-09 08:32:51 PM
This Clemson/FSU to the Big XII rumor drives me nuts. You would think that after 2 years of inane Twitter rumors that the fans and media would gain some degree of skepticism, but all it takes is one West Virginia blogger to post an unsubstantiated rumor and all of a sudden every Kansas State fan in existence is acting like they just landed Alabama and LSU.
 
2012-05-09 08:39:15 PM
Mentat:

I've been meaning to ask a Missouri fan. Looking at your schedule for next year, legitimately, how many games do you think you're going to win?

I'm not being a dick, I'm genuinely curious.
 
2012-05-09 08:57:46 PM
Notre Dame is not going to the ACC.
 
2012-05-09 09:06:39 PM

mitchcumstein1: Mentat:

I've been meaning to ask a Missouri fan. Looking at your schedule for next year, legitimately, how many games do you think you're going to win?

I'm not being a dick, I'm genuinely curious.


Depends on if James Franklin is healthy or not. I think they can sweep the non-con of SE Louisiana, Arizona State, @UCF and Syracuse, though they could stumble at UCF. Georgia will be tough in week 2, but they could lose up to four defensive starters on defensive to suspensions. I think @South Carolina and @Florida will be tough, and you have to assume that Alabama will be a loss. I'm not concerned with Kentucky or @Tennessee. We've owned A&M at Kyle Field for the last two years, so I say you have to vote the streak for year 3 @A&M. Vandy is Iowa State, meaning Mizzou should win but could just as easily lose. So with 4 non-con wins, I think Mizzou beats Kentucky, Tennessee, Vandy, A&M, loses to Alabama, Florida and South Carolina, and Georgia is a toss up until we know exactly how many players they'll actually be able to put on the field.
 
2012-05-09 09:41:35 PM

YouWinAgainGravity: Starting to wish VT would just jump ship and gtfo of that conference. It's going to be murder in basketball in a few years, and the conference football games are just ridiculously boring. I'd rather go 7-5 in a tough conference and have the chance to get better because of compeition and high profile than continue in this plateau of mediocrity.


Beat Clemson for a change then talk to me about ACC mediocrity. You assholes let me down twice
 
2012-05-09 09:59:39 PM
While money isn't the only thing, having money means being able to spend on coaches and facilities- which helps recruiting and winning. ND's TV deal puts them behind the B1G, PAC-10,Big-12, SEC and ACC schools in terms of revenue per year.

That is right, Vanderbilt makes more money from TV/athletic/football revenue than ND currently.

Unless the ACC pulls ND in, I think FSU, VT and Clemson should split. The new ACC TV contract is crap. There are three tiers of rights- 1, 2, 3. ACC is the only conference that shops all three together (poor negotiating tactic, gives up money for convenience). Most of the other conferences sell tier 1 and 2 and either reserve 3 for the school or the conference. SEC and BIG12 schools get to keep theirs so more successful schools get some reward for being successful. The B1G- made a network with 3rd tier basketball and football, baseball, and Olympic style sports. It is starting to roll in dollars. Instead the ACC sold third tier and takes a full share like a school and so the revenue is more like 16M a year, and has no means of getting schools even with the other power conferences.

Ancient news:

Link

Somewhat more current, but not adjusted for the 16M payout for ACC. Also doesn't take into account Teir3/conference networks really:
 
2012-05-09 10:01:29 PM
Whoops:

second link:

Link
 
2012-05-09 10:16:15 PM

ha-ha-guy: p the boiler: They can take PSUs spot in the B1G

What does that do for us?


Gets rid of the sandusky stench?
 
2012-05-09 10:24:40 PM

p the boiler: ha-ha-guy: p the boiler: They can take PSUs spot in the B1G

What does that do for us?

Gets rid of the sandusky stench?


You mean covers up with the stench of Catholic priests who rape choir boys? It seems more like moving from one institutional stench of covering up child rape to another.
 
2012-05-09 10:28:14 PM
Even though it's a Bleacher Report article, there's no way that ND goes to the Big 10. It's the ACC or independent. For my team (maryland) it couldn't work better than Rutgers and ND joining the ACC.
 
2012-05-09 10:57:54 PM

Mentat: This Clemson/FSU to the Big XII rumor drives me nuts. You would think that after 2 years of inane Twitter rumors that the fans and media would gain some degree of skepticism, but all it takes is one West Virginia blogger to post an unsubstantiated rumor and all of a sudden every Kansas State fan in existence is acting like they just landed Alabama and LSU.


Eh, maybe not Alabama and LSU but two programs far better than the ACC deserves.

/If you'd rather play Wake Forest, Duke, North Carolina, and Boston College over Texas, Oklahoma, WVU, and TCU... well... football probably just isn't your thing.
 
2012-05-09 11:01:50 PM
A Notre Dame fan explains the conference situation using Muppet Brain Kelly, Muppet Michael Floyd, and Muppet Tommy Rees. Apparently it's quite similar to the Scramble for Africa. Also, Pogs are discussed.
 
2012-05-09 11:20:58 PM

Mentat: Georgia is a toss up until we know exactly how many players they'll actually be able to put on the field.


Georgia is a loss, unless the entire defense is suspended its a loss.


/lets get this started early biatches!!!!!!
 
2012-05-09 11:44:03 PM

ha-ha-guy: p the boiler: ha-ha-guy: p the boiler: They can take PSUs spot in the B1G

What does that do for us?

Gets rid of the sandusky stench?

You mean covers up with the stench of Catholic priests who rape choir boys? It seems more like moving from one institutional stench of covering up child rape to another.


Good point.

How about Baylor... Too murdery

How about Miami... nope already have OSU for that role
 
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