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(The Onion)   "President Obama's inability to simply state he's for or against gay marriage is unacceptable." - President Obama   (theonion.com) divider line 73
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2012-05-09 11:24:26 AM
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There was an interesting bit on cognitive dissonance on NPR this morning, it made me think of the Fark Politics thread.
 
2012-05-09 11:38:18 AM
I really wish the left would stop pressuring Obama to come out publicly for federally recognized gay marriage. If he believes in it, would it be the right thing to do? Certainly. But it would cost him the election. And as a gay person or a gay supporter, which would be better for the cause; a reluctant Obama who will most likely publicly support gay marriage after reelection, or Mr Mitt as president?

Yes, I'm aware the article is satire, but given this headline, it's most likely referring to all the public pressure over Obama's 'evolving' stance on this issue.
 
2012-05-09 11:38:19 AM
I'm strongly in favor of complete equal rights but this is the main issue that can hurt him in a close election. IMHO, it's like forcing an anti slavery vote before the Civil War. The vote would have lost. Let Obama be re-elected, then he'll change it (probably after the mid-terms). I'm beginning to wonder if, by forcing the issue now, we're only serving to solidify the Republican vote. It's a dream come true for Karl Rove.
 
2012-05-09 11:43:55 AM
I'm actually fine with Obama saying his opinion of gay marriage is evolving. My stance on plenty of issues has evolved over time, and there were in between times when I wasn't sure what the right thing was to do.

However, I do think he's going to have to answer for it before the election is over. It's become too big of a political hot potato, it'll come up in debates. And of course the right loves it because it's a social conservative issue, and avoids things the Republicans can't campaign on, like foreign policy, healthcare, the economy...basically any important issue.
 
2012-05-09 11:46:22 AM
Who is Obama going to lose by coming out in favor of gay marriage? Do you honestly believe the Democrats who vote against gay marriage are going to turn away from Obama because he favors gay marriage?
 
2012-05-09 11:46:29 AM

bdub77: I'm actually fine with Obama saying his opinion of gay marriage is evolving. My stance on plenty of issues has evolved over time, and there were in between times when I wasn't sure what the right thing was to do.

However, I do think he's going to have to answer for it before the election is over. It's become too big of a political hot potato, it'll come up in debates. And of course the right loves it because it's a social conservative issue, and avoids things the Republicans can't campaign on, like foreign policy, healthcare, the economy...basically any important issue.


He'll have to do his best to do some politickin' and dance around the issue, then, if it comes up in debates. If he comes out as a supporter of gay marriage now, he'll lose some of the more religious African American votes he got last election, and that could cost him huge in states like North Carolina (see yesterday's election).
 
2012-05-09 11:47:03 AM

Cythraul: I really wish the left would stop pressuring Obama to come out publicly for federally recognized gay marriage. If he believes in it, would it be the right thing to do? Certainly.


And if he does not? What would the political ramifications of that be?
 
2012-05-09 11:47:48 AM

Cythraul: He'll have to do his best to do some politickin' and dance around the issue, then, if it comes up in debates. If he comes out as a supporter of gay marriage now, he'll lose some of the more religious African American votes he got last election, and that could cost him huge in states like North Carolina (see yesterday's election).


Do you honestly believe the African-American community is going to stop supporting Barack Obama?
 
2012-05-09 11:49:06 AM

Lando Lincoln: Cythraul: I really wish the left would stop pressuring Obama to come out publicly for federally recognized gay marriage. If he believes in it, would it be the right thing to do? Certainly.

And if he does not? What would the political ramifications of that be?


If he does not, what? If he doesn't come out in favor for gay marriage? Or if he does not stay quiet until the election on the issue? If he stays quiet on it until the election, I imagine it'll get him four more years. If not, he'll have a hard time in razor thin margin swing states.
 
2012-05-09 11:49:31 AM

WhoIsWillo: Cythraul: He'll have to do his best to do some politickin' and dance around the issue, then, if it comes up in debates. If he comes out as a supporter of gay marriage now, he'll lose some of the more religious African American votes he got last election, and that could cost him huge in states like North Carolina (see yesterday's election).

Do you honestly believe the African-American community is going to stop supporting Barack Obama?


Well, they stopped supporting civil rights.
 
2012-05-09 11:49:37 AM

Lando Lincoln: And if he does not? What would the political ramifications of that be?


Liberals grumble a little more as they pull the lever for Obama.
 
2012-05-09 11:50:58 AM

WhoIsWillo: Cythraul: He'll have to do his best to do some politickin' and dance around the issue, then, if it comes up in debates. If he comes out as a supporter of gay marriage now, he'll lose some of the more religious African American votes he got last election, and that could cost him huge in states like North Carolina (see yesterday's election).

Do you honestly believe the African-American community is going to stop supporting Barack Obama?


I think in states where his victory in the last election was extremely narrow may be in jeopardy by very religious African American voters, yes. It wouldn't take that many hundreds or thousands to change their support in some of those states.
 
2012-05-09 11:53:20 AM

WhoIsWillo: Who is Obama going to lose by coming out in favor of gay marriage? Do you honestly believe the Democrats who vote against gay marriage are going to turn away from Obama because he favors gay marriage?


This. How many bigot votes is he getting today?

However, I hate to say it but he could lose a big chunk of the black vote. They have a good share of bigots also.
 
2012-05-09 12:10:08 PM
Obama has done more to advance gay rights than every other American president combined.
 
2012-05-09 12:21:38 PM

Cythraul: I really wish the left would stop pressuring Obama to come out publicly for federally recognized gay marriage. If he believes in it, would it be the right thing to do? Certainly. But it would cost him the election. And as a gay person or a gay supporter, which would be better for the cause; a reluctant Obama who will most likely publicly support gay marriage after reelection, or Mr Mitt as president?

Yes, I'm aware the article is satire, but given this headline, it's most likely referring to all the public pressure over Obama's 'evolving' stance on this issue.


While I agree with you for the most part, the administration's attempts following Biden's comments of having his cake went really poorly. "He totally agrees with Biden. I mean in spirit. Well, I mean we'll see. But he does. Does what? Oh, that thing." These kinds of slips and doublespeaks and contradictions are easily quoted in attack ads. Hell, look how it works for Mitt Romney.

Speaking of, I have to play something of a devil's advocate on this - we complain about Mitt Romney and John McCain saying whatever it takes to just make it through the election (or else someone worse will win, etc.) but all too often we give Obama a pass on it.
 
2012-05-09 12:24:00 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Obama has done more to advance gay rights than every other American president combined.


Not sure.The delta with homosexuality being a military crime and DADT is a greater delta than DADT and openly serving. Plus Obama didn't have to do much to repeal DADT. Military leadership was not on board with it. DADT was a much harder sell at the time from Clinton IMHO.
 
2012-05-09 12:31:21 PM

mrshowrules: Not sure.The delta with homosexuality being a military crime and DADT is a greater delta than DADT and openly serving. Plus Obama didn't have to do much to repeal DADT. Military leadership was not on board with it. DADT was a much harder sell at the time from Clinton IMHO.


Supports civil unions
Opposes DOMA
Repealed the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law
Expanded federal benefits for the same-sex partners of executive-branch employees
Signed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act into law
Cleared the way for hospital-visitation rights for same-sex couples
Lifted the travel/immigration ban on those with HIV/AIDS
Ordered the Federal Housing Authority to no longer consider the sexual orientation of applicants on loans
Expanded the Census to include the number of people who report being in a same-sex relationship
Directed U.S. agencies abroad to ensure our humanitarian and diplomatic efforts "promote and protect" the rights of gays and lesbians.

Obama has done more to advance gay rights than every other American president combined.
 
2012-05-09 12:33:58 PM

Cythraul: If he believes in it, would it be the right thing to do? Certainly. But it would cost him the election.


olddeegee: I'm strongly in favor of complete equal rights but this is the main issue that can hurt him in a close election.


This is why Democrats constantly lose on the whole "defining the issue" battle, and why in today's America reactionary John Birchers are considered "center-right".

Obama was elected by the largest margin we've seen in a presidential election since 1996. This wasn't a situation where half the country started out hating him and the slightest mistake could doom his administration. He was the product of a wave election and a clear mandate for a departure from Bush. If he had displayed some leadership early on in this area, I think he would have both changed a few people's minds and appeared to be a strong political figure.

The reason he's not currently roflstomping Romney in the polls is because Republicans have always hated him and still hate him, liberals are disappointed in him, and moderates see him as a tepid leader who is more defined by his circumstances than what he does. It's not because he somehow hasn't been ginger enough about same sex marriage.
 
2012-05-09 12:53:44 PM
 
2012-05-09 01:25:43 PM
Thing is we know what Obama's stance on gay marriage is - he's against it and has said so on multiple occasions. The question we're really asking is what is the right move for him politically? Does he change his stated position or stick to it?
 
2012-05-09 01:27:23 PM

Cythraul: Lando Lincoln: Cythraul: I really wish the left would stop pressuring Obama to come out publicly for federally recognized gay marriage. If he believes in it, would it be the right thing to do? Certainly.

And if he does not? What would the political ramifications of that be?

If he does not, what? If he doesn't come out in favor for gay marriage? Or if he does not stay quiet until the election on the issue? If he stays quiet on it until the election, I imagine it'll get him four more years. If not, he'll have a hard time in razor thin margin swing states.


If he does not believe that gays should marry and he says as much? What would the political ramifications of that be?
 
2012-05-09 01:29:01 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Thing is we know what Obama's stance on gay marriage is - he's against it and has said so on multiple occasions. The question we're really asking is what is the right move for him politically? Does he change his stated position or stick to it?


According to the Daily Show, he'd initially claimed to be for gay marriage when running in Illinois, then wavered a bit on full commitment during the presidential election (middle ground, sort of federalist position), then after Biden's comment Axelrod said it encapsulates the administration's position, then Carney goes on to waver again.
 
2012-05-09 01:37:27 PM

Quasar: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Thing is we know what Obama's stance on gay marriage is - he's against it and has said so on multiple occasions. The question we're really asking is what is the right move for him politically? Does he change his stated position or stick to it?

According to the Daily Show, he'd initially claimed to be for gay marriage when running in Illinois, then wavered a bit on full commitment during the presidential election (middle ground, sort of federalist position), then after Biden's comment Axelrod said it encapsulates the administration's position, then Carney goes on to waver again.


"I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that's not what America's about. Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them."
Barack Obama, 2008, to ABC News
 
2012-05-09 01:38:27 PM
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So he might lose a few votes I doubt it be enough to make a difference. Man up President Obama.
 
2012-05-09 01:52:27 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that's not what America's about. Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them."
Barack Obama, 2008, to ABC News


1996 Obama: "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages."

Either we take the cynical view in which he's trying to be ambiguous on the gay issue to preserve moderate votes (and thus branding some measure of cowardice that all politicians suffer), or his views are "evolving" rightward, which doesn't bode well for the notion that he'll one day throw a rainbow-themed wedding for Marcus Bachmann on the White House lawn (not the Rose Garden because roses are so 2007).
 
2012-05-09 01:53:01 PM

Lando Lincoln: Cythraul: Lando Lincoln: Cythraul: I really wish the left would stop pressuring Obama to come out publicly for federally recognized gay marriage. If he believes in it, would it be the right thing to do? Certainly.

And if he does not? What would the political ramifications of that be?

If he does not, what? If he doesn't come out in favor for gay marriage? Or if he does not stay quiet until the election on the issue? If he stays quiet on it until the election, I imagine it'll get him four more years. If not, he'll have a hard time in razor thin margin swing states.

If he does not believe that gays should marry and he says as much? What would the political ramifications of that be?


I imagine we, the gays, will do like we have always done for Democratic presidents in the past who did not support gay marriage either, continue to vote for them. What other option do we have? Vote Republican?

As far as how the non-gays would react, well, I can't even really guess on that.
 
2012-05-09 01:59:55 PM

Gay advocates fully convinced Obama will come out for marriage equality today: wapo.st/IUjr74

- Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) May 9, 2012


We shall see.
 
2012-05-09 02:02:24 PM

WhoIsWillo: Who is Obama going to lose by coming out in favor of gay marriage? Do you honestly believe the Democrats who vote against gay marriage are going to turn away from Obama because he favors gay marriage?


No one.
That is exactly why this is a disgusting display by 0bama.

Somehow he thinks it will hurt him. It is all "I' "I" "I" for 0bama.
 
2012-05-09 02:02:34 PM

mrshowrules: However, I hate to say it but he could lose a big chunk of the black vote. They have a good share of bigots also.


This. The reason Proposition 8 passed in California is because a number of black communities voted for it.
 
2012-05-09 02:04:15 PM

Quasar: 1996 Obama: "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages."


I kinda wish people would start putting this on signs and bringing them to Obama rallies.
 
2012-05-09 02:05:07 PM

Cythraul: I imagine we, the gays, will do like we have always done for Democratic presidents in the past who did not support gay marriage either, continue to vote for them. What other option do we have? Vote Republican?


Vote Independent or don't vote at all. Hell - Dayton was the only Democrat I voted for in the last decade and that was because Elmer was fark'n evil and could not be allowed to become Governor (and thankfully he didn't). Then again - Minnesota generally has real Independent candidates unlike the rest of the country.
 
2012-05-09 02:07:25 PM

WhoIsWillo: Who is Obama going to lose by coming out in favor of gay marriage? Do you honestly believe the Democrats who vote against gay marriage are going to turn away from Obama because he favors gay marriage?


Is North Carolina 60% Republican? Because that is the percentage of the vote that passed yesterday's anti-human rights bill.

On a side note, do you think that only the president's party are allowed to vote in the general election? Or are you trying to be tricky but not doing very well at it?
 
2012-05-09 02:07:50 PM
57% of independent voters support legalizing gay marriage based on the recent Gallup poll, compared to 40% against. 51% of Catholics support it.

The farktards who oppose it aren't voting for him anyway.

Can we stop pretending that his lack of support for gay marriage is doing him any favors in an election year? If 57% of independent voters support something, and 40% oppose it, how does standing with the 40% help your election chances?
 
2012-05-09 02:08:31 PM
Obviously he's for it but does not want to alienate independent voters in an election year. Let's all stop playing dumb on this.
 
2012-05-09 02:10:06 PM
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teehee
 
2012-05-09 02:10:15 PM
FTFA: ""Personally, I think he's definitely for gay marriage," Obama continued. "I just think he's too afraid to say it.""

Once again The Onion is among the most accurate papers.
 
2012-05-09 02:10:32 PM
If only somebody with the unquestioned moral stature of a Nobel Peace Prize winner could step forward and bring us some clarity.
 
2012-05-09 02:11:35 PM
His positions are already clearly stated. Whats important is not what the president is for or against, but that he's a democrat.

Because the alternative is voting republican.
 
2012-05-09 02:12:42 PM

Cythraul: I really wish the left would stop pressuring Obama to come out publicly for federally recognized gay marriage. If he believes in it, would it be the right thing to do? Certainly. But it would cost him the election. And as a gay person or a gay supporter, which would be better for the cause; a reluctant Obama who will most likely publicly support gay marriage after reelection, or Mr Mitt as president?

Yes, I'm aware the article is satire, but given this headline, it's most likely referring to all the public pressure over Obama's 'evolving' stance on this issue.


That's hilarious coming from you, the guy who so eagerly railed on the poor schmuck victimized by Best Buy caught saying something stupid about being humiliated for being called gay and having his reputation tarnished.

What did you say about that guy? Oh yeah, you called him a prick and told him to fark off: http://www.fark.com/comments/7084637/76625723

But the President, him you give a pass to.
 
2012-05-09 02:14:01 PM

Cythraul: I really wish the left would stop pressuring Obama to come out publicly for federally recognized gay marriage. If he believes in it, would it be the right thing to do? Certainly. But it would cost him the election. And as a gay person or a gay supporter, which would be better for the cause; a reluctant Obama who will most likely publicly support gay marriage after reelection, or Mr Mitt as president?

Yes, I'm aware the article is satire, but given this headline, it's most likely referring to all the public pressure over Obama's 'evolving' stance on this issue.


It is going to be brought up during a debate at some point. He's going to have to say something definitive sooner or later before election day. I suspect he might say something kinda weasely like that he personally believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, but as president, he supports equal protections for all citizens.
 
2012-05-09 02:14:31 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: WhoIsWillo: Who is Obama going to lose by coming out in favor of gay marriage? Do you honestly believe the Democrats who vote against gay marriage are going to turn away from Obama because he favors gay marriage?

No one.
That is exactly why this is a disgusting display by 0bama.

Somehow he thinks it will hurt him. It is all "I' "I" "I" for 0bama.


I get it. You're trying very hard to be a wit and only half succeeding.

Of course there are some Democrats who would vote against Obama if he came out in favor of gay marriage this close to the election. Most Republicans would also vote against him for this reason (plus the fact they seem to think political parties should be treated like an alma mater). And independents and swing voters? Well, it sure seems like a majority of people are willing to vote down other people's civil liberties, so, yeah, this could hurt Obama. And, by extension, it would hurt gay people because Republicans are infinitely worse than anything Obama would bring to the table. It has something to with the fact that a large part of their base is made up of people who do not value freedom or liberty except for the very well-to-do.
 
2012-05-09 02:15:03 PM

WhoIsWillo: Who is Obama going to lose by coming out in favor of gay marriage? Do you honestly believe the Democrats who vote against gay marriage are going to turn away from Obama because he favors gay marriage?


Some would. If people who would otherwise vote for Obama (African American churchgoers, for example) get turned off and stay home on election day, that's the same as voting for Romney. More importantly, if he does come out in favor of same-sex marriage (and don't get me wrong, I wish he would) then the GOP will absolutely hammer him with it. They'll use it to energize their base like crazy, which will bring a whole lot more Republicans to the polls who otherwise would've stayed home because they're "meh" about Romney. It's a case of doing what is right versus very possibly handing over the election. It's a gamble.
 
2012-05-09 02:15:24 PM

theknuckler_33: Cythraul: I really wish the left would stop pressuring Obama to come out publicly for federally recognized gay marriage. If he believes in it, would it be the right thing to do? Certainly. But it would cost him the election. And as a gay person or a gay supporter, which would be better for the cause; a reluctant Obama who will most likely publicly support gay marriage after reelection, or Mr Mitt as president?

Yes, I'm aware the article is satire, but given this headline, it's most likely referring to all the public pressure over Obama's 'evolving' stance on this issue.

It is going to be brought up during a debate at some point. He's going to have to say something definitive sooner or later before election day. I suspect he might say something kinda weasely like that he personally believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, but as president, he supports equal protections for all citizens.


Why? That didn't happen in 2008 why would 2012 be different?
 
2012-05-09 02:15:25 PM
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2012-05-09 02:15:45 PM

WhoIsWillo: Who is Obama going to lose by coming out in favor of gay marriage? Do you honestly believe the Democrats who vote against gay marriage are going to turn away from Obama because he favors gay marriage?


I think there's a bit of a racial element here. Ironically, many blacks are strongly anti-gay marriage and Obama's camp doesn't want to do anything to even slightly erode support or enthusiasm amongst the black community.
 
2012-05-09 02:16:20 PM

gingerjet: Cythraul: I imagine we, the gays, will do like we have always done for Democratic presidents in the past who did not support gay marriage either, continue to vote for them. What other option do we have? Vote Republican?

Vote Independent or don't vote at all. Hell - Dayton was the only Democrat I voted for in the last decade and that was because Elmer was fark'n evil and could not be allowed to become Governor (and thankfully he didn't). Then again - Minnesota generally has real Independent candidates unlike the rest of the country.


That means the Republicans win, and that is bad for gay people--well, most people, really.
 
2012-05-09 02:22:04 PM

theknuckler_33:
It is going to be brought up during a debate at some point. He's going to have to say something definitive sooner or later before election day. I suspect he might say something kinda weasely like that he personally believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, but as president, he supports equal protections for all citizens.



I wouldn't even describe that as weasely, assuming for the moment that there's more than a little truth to it.

The ability to set aside personal bias, when doing so supports sound public policy and advances human rights? Yes please.
 
2012-05-09 02:28:05 PM

Carth: theknuckler_33:
It is going to be brought up during a debate at some point. He's going to have to say something definitive sooner or later before election day. I suspect he might say something kinda weasely like that he personally believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, but as president, he supports equal protections for all citizens.

Why? That didn't happen in 2008 why would 2012 be different?


Yea, good point. I don't know really. Seems like he has support other initiatives favoring equal rights for gay with the repeal of DADT, not enforcing DOMA... his action seem to indicate support for equal rights for gays. If I were a debate moderator, I would frame the question in that manner... "Mr. President, your actions during your first term appear to be in favor of equal rights for the LGBT community, do you now believe that equality extends to civil marriage?".

I think in the last cycle, the question was asked more generally like "what is your definition of marriage" or something like that. Yea, I'm not real sure, just have a hard time believing he'd take a concrete 'no marriage equality' stand this time around.
 
2012-05-09 02:29:25 PM

theknuckler_33: Carth: theknuckler_33:
It is going to be brought up during a debate at some point. He's going to have to say something definitive sooner or later before election day. I suspect he might say something kinda weasely like that he personally believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, but as president, he supports equal protections for all citizens.

Why? That didn't happen in 2008 why would 2012 be different?

Yea, good point. I don't know really. Seems like he has support other initiatives favoring equal rights for gay with the repeal of DADT, not enforcing DOMA... his action seem to indicate support for equal rights for gays. If I were a debate moderator, I would frame the question in that manner... "Mr. President, your actions during your first term appear to be in favor of equal rights for the LGBT community, do you now believe that equality extends to civil marriage?".

I think in the last cycle, the question was asked more generally like "what is your definition of marriage" or something like that. Yea, I'm not real sure, just have a hard time believing he'd take a concrete 'no marriage equality' stand this time around.


Seems like the latest newsflash says he will talk about it tonight so you were right.
 
2012-05-09 02:33:32 PM

DeaH: On a side note, do you think that only the president's party are allowed to vote in the general election? Or are you trying to be tricky but not doing very well at it?


I think he's got a group of voters that are going to support him no matter what, and he's got another group of voters that are going to oppose him no matter what, and I think there's a third group that just wants a leader to emerge from this absolutely absurd madness.
 
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