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2012-05-09 05:15:55 PM

safeforwork: Chihuahuas are just psychopaths.


I used to work at a pet store. Of all of those little shiats to come in, only TWO were ever nice dogs. The first one was a chihuahua that was actually retarded--as in it had whatever the dog-version of Downs Syndrome was. She'd been born with no teeth at all, and greeted everyone with the enthusiasm of a lab who thinks you're going to toss a ball. Very sweet but very stupid. The other chihuahua was heavily socialized and trained by a Korean family who took their dog-raising duties very, very seriously. At 12 weeks this chi had perfect form while heeling, and it passed its CGC at six months. Probably the only actually well-behaved chihuahua I've ever met. From what I could see it got a TON of training, a couple training sessions a day from the kids and at least one a day from the parents.

The problem with chihuahuas is that people mistake small size for training for some reason, so they don't socialize them and let them get away with all kinds of shiat. Chihuahuas are probably the most aggressive breed of dog, but because they are so small people don't take them seriously and breeders don't bother to breed out viciousness. The end result is a breed that for the most part consists of spoiled little shiats who would love more than anything to rip your face off. Fortunately they are too small to actually do that.
 
2012-05-09 05:17:22 PM

Ringshadow: prettyontheinside: I'm seriously loving your posts. Mastiffs are great dogs. And Mustard Plug is a hilarious name.

Aww, thank you!

Here's my parents corgi in a catbed.

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That's awesome! "No, mom, I fit. Really, I do!"
 
2012-05-09 05:18:38 PM

alowishus: Wise_Guy: The video mentions she 'suffers from alcoholism'.

"Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only one you can get yelled at for having. Goddamn it Otto, you are an alcoholic. Goddamn it Otto, you have Lupis... one of those two doesn't sound right."


You know how I know you never brought your wife home chlamydia?
 
2012-05-09 05:28:53 PM

Phins: Only a tiny percentage of dogs cannot be rehabilitated, and it's because of the way they were treated. It has nothing to do with genetics or breed.


I'll disagree here, at least on the 'way they were treated' part. Consider human mental disorders. You can get similar disorders with dogs, and some lead to increased violence. Consider the dog equivalent of a autistic child, or just one with some equivalent of Down's.

Breeding is still important to help prevent this sort of stuff, we're much more free to be ruthless when it comes to eliminating problems.

If the bad behavior is solely because of treatment, I'll argue those are the ones you CAN rehabilitate. It's the ones you can't that have the inherited or congenital mental disorders.
 
2012-05-09 05:36:40 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Ajanu: GOB: I don't think most people think pitbulls are more likely to attack people than other dogs (although statistically they are) it's their ability to kill/maim that scares most people I think.

I'm sure this person did their best, but all they did was take money for googling some shiat. Records of dog attacks in the media/dogs for sale online. Yes that provides an estimate, but it's hardly definitive. What about dogs that don't get sold often online? What about dog bites that were not reported? Dogs often give warning bites, it's a lot bigger deal the bigger and stronger the dog is.

This thread makes me want a dog, but living on the 8th floor of an appartment building is not conducive to dog ownership. One day I will have a house and the space to own a dog.

I strongly recommend a mutt from the local shelter.


Mutts are wonderful. Love my 2 rescue mutts.
 
2012-05-09 05:39:09 PM
Wow... Awesome. I almost forwarded that to my wife before thinking, and then realized that she wouldn't handle it very well... We had to put our dog down last weekend, he'd been with us over 12 years, and he would have done the same, no doubt about it. Dogs are often better than people.

/Great, now I might have to get all misty-eyed...
 
2012-05-09 05:46:14 PM

Degenz: Degenz: Fell asleep on train tracks? Just proves the point that it's not pit bulls who are the problem, it's their dumb ass human companions.

Goddammit!

/should have been "whom"


No, you got it right the first time. Here's how you tell: Who is the problem? He is the problem. Not "him" is the problem. You use "whom" when it's "him." Although pit bulls may be a "that" rather than a "who," grammatically.
 
2012-05-09 05:55:00 PM

Mikey1969: Wow... Awesome. I almost forwarded that to my wife before thinking, and then realized that she wouldn't handle it very well... We had to put our dog down last weekend, he'd been with us over 12 years, and he would have done the same, no doubt about it. Dogs are often better than people.

/Great, now I might have to get all misty-eyed...


Sorry to hear that. Keep your chin up.
 
2012-05-09 05:55:11 PM
Interesting point...

You're twice as likely to get killed by lightning each year, statistically, as you are to be killed by a dog.

Not that non-fatal dog bites aren't a problem, of course... but then again, neither are non-fatal lightning bites.
 
2012-05-09 06:01:37 PM
bk3k: Its telling how many of the "pits are dangerous" crowd have never had one. Its equally telling that the people who have actually had one or more(aka people with experience) are always pit defenders. I have never seen anyone say "I got a pit and that was a mistake."

Next up, a comment along the lines of "pit owners defend these bad dogs, they have such a blind spot, they don't realize how bad pits are." Because people who own pits know the least about them!! People who don't own them, have never been around them but have heard a couple of media scare stories are the experts. Vets, trainers, groomer, etc. who say pits are great are so misinformed, they don't know anything about dogs. The person citing factually incorrect info is the one who knows!!
 
2012-05-09 06:02:19 PM

Firethorn: No, if you don't train a poodle you'll not only get shiat in the house, you'll get a kid with an extremely ripped up hand. Poodles aren't harmless.


Better than a ripped up throat, right?
 
2012-05-09 06:08:24 PM
Yeah, well, my dog barks at the mailman every day until the mailman leaves. And at the garbage men on the next street over at 4am until they get into their truck and GTFO. Let a train try to fark with him. He'll just show that train who's boss.
 
2012-05-09 06:09:56 PM

Phins: bk3k: Its telling how many of the "pits are dangerous" crowd have never had one. Its equally telling that the people who have actually had one or more(aka people with experience) are always pit defenders. I have never seen anyone say "I got a pit and that was a mistake."

Next up, a comment along the lines of "pit owners defend these bad dogs, they have such a blind spot, they don't realize how bad pits are." Because people who own pits know the least about them!! People who don't own them, have never been around them but have heard a couple of media scare stories are the experts. Vets, trainers, groomer, etc. who say pits are great are so misinformed, they don't know anything about dogs. The person citing factually incorrect info is the one who knows!!


More like the only information that the "pit haters" get is sensationalist bad press. So *of course* they think that pits are evil, terrible animals. Pit owners get mostly good info on pits, from their own dogs. Animal professionals are probably the best source of data as they get to see both positive and negative examples - but, really, irresponsible owners aren't likely to get their dog professionally groomed, yaknowwhati'msayin'?

Pits may even be a large proportion of the "bad dogs" out there. But that also doesn't mean that a majority of pits are bad dogs.

BTW, I neither own, nor want, a pit bull.
 
2012-05-09 06:21:16 PM
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My beast...as long as we're sharing
 
2012-05-09 06:25:01 PM

bk3k: Muttonchopslive: bk3k: 9beers: bk3k: blah blah blah blah

And you don't think that's pertinent? So even if you forgo the "aggressive by nature" argument, then ability to do harm is the next line item in what makes something dangerous.

That's roughly akin to "Just as many people get shot by nerf guns, they just don't die like with automatic weapons."

I think airplane crashes are perfectly deadly. But that doesn't make me scared to ride in one. The chances of the actual crash happening is very low. There are so many things out there that CAN KILL YOU, but would to be so afraid of these things that you refuse to live your life?

Do you drive? Don't you know how dangerous that is?! What kind of loving parent would do something so reckless as to put an innocent child in a car, even knowing the danger? Do you know how many people DIE each year due to food poisoning? My grandma did last year(true story). Why would you bring your innocent, defenseless children to a restaurant? Do you go to the bank or to the store? Those get robbed you know...

Believe it or not, most pit owners are NOT getting mauled. I won't live in fear of things that have VERY LITTLE chance to kill me, thank you.


1. I could care less about the owners. You should be able to make choices about your own risk.

2. Your exaggeration is just silly. Driving IS dangerous, and we SHOULD take as many precautions as possible. In fact we have a ton of laws surrounding driving in an effort to decrease the inherent risk, most especially the way in which you drive that may cause risk to others.
So two things jump out at me about your rebuttal; that your having a pit bull causes a potential danger to those around you, and that your analogy is to things that may have risk but also a great amount of advantage - like driving.

You can say cliff diving and walking down the street both have risks, but saying they are the same is dumb.
 
2012-05-09 06:31:29 PM

9beers: Firethorn: No, if you don't train a poodle you'll not only get shiat in the house, you'll get a kid with an extremely ripped up hand. Poodles aren't harmless.

Better than a ripped up throat, right?


Depends on the relative level of 'ripped up', and a poodle might actually have an easier time reaching the throat.

I'd rather be around a properly socialized pit bull than most Chihuahua.
 
2012-05-09 06:34:47 PM

I May Be Crazy But...:
At any rate, he looks like a good dog. What's his name?


Yea he's a good lil dog. His name is Dexter. I kept his shelter name since he responded to it when called. He also came pretrained with all the commands I could guess. I expected him to be trained in French since I got him near Montreal, but he was trained in English. Took me a week to figure that out.

When I thought I had all the known commands figured out, I started to teach him "play dead". Took me under 2 weeks. Then I decided to get him to play dead by imitating a gun with my hand... he did it on the first try. LOL



Ringshadow: Canine Heritage


I'll check it out, thanks
 
2012-05-09 06:36:22 PM

kyoryu: but, really, irresponsible owners aren't likely to get their dog professionally groomed, yaknowwhati'msayin'?


Mixed bag; really good owners are likley to do the grooming themselves, and my parents always have shorthair dogs that don't need significant grooming; dad cuts their claws and brushes their teeth. We all brush them on occasion.

We've mostly had boston terriers.
 
2012-05-09 06:44:59 PM

Firethorn: 9beers: Firethorn: No, if you don't train a poodle you'll not only get shiat in the house, you'll get a kid with an extremely ripped up hand. Poodles aren't harmless.

Better than a ripped up throat, right?

Depends on the relative level of 'ripped up', and a poodle might actually have an easier time reaching the throat.

I'd rather be around a properly socialized pit bull than most Chihuahua.


But the risk to others is different. That you would admit I hope. Pit Bulls potential to be dangerous if not properly trained, socialized, etc. is different than the worst behaved Chihuahua ever born.
 
2012-05-09 06:52:27 PM

Muttonchopslive: Firethorn: 9beers: Firethorn: No, if you don't train a poodle you'll not only get shiat in the house, you'll get a kid with an extremely ripped up hand. Poodles aren't harmless.

Better than a ripped up throat, right?

Depends on the relative level of 'ripped up', and a poodle might actually have an easier time reaching the throat.

I'd rather be around a properly socialized pit bull than most Chihuahua.

But the risk to others is different. That you would admit I hope. Pit Bulls potential to be dangerous if not properly trained, socialized, etc. is different than the worst behaved Chihuahua ever born.


Only because of size. Any 60# dog can do more harm than a 5# dog. Breed is irrelevant.
 
2012-05-09 06:54:21 PM

Phins: bk3k: Its telling how many of the "pits are dangerous" crowd have never had one. Its equally telling that the people who have actually had one or more(aka people with experience) are always pit defenders. I have never seen anyone say "I got a pit and that was a mistake."

Next up, a comment along the lines of "pit owners defend these bad dogs, they have such a blind spot, they don't realize how bad pits are." Because people who own pits know the least about them!! People who don't own them, have never been around them but have heard a couple of media scare stories are the experts. Vets, trainers, groomer, etc. who say pits are great are so misinformed, they don't know anything about dogs. The person citing factually incorrect info is the one who knows!!


For myself, I'm not saying your dog is bad, as I can't know that, or that every Pit Bull is a bad dog. I will say that magically speaking for every owner or person who has had an experience with one and saying "all give the thumbs up" is a non argument, because it can't be verified. I have had plenty of bad experiences with dogs of many breeds, also good, but you can't control my opinion. I have known Pit Bull owners who were total a-holes and they had dangerous dogs that I hated.
I get that it's not the dogs fault entirely, and believe me, I put most of the blame for any problem dog on the owner, but that means that there is a real argument against the breed. Should people be able to have any breed of dog they want regardless of potential danger to others if improperly trained? I just don't trust people that much.
 
2012-05-09 06:55:32 PM

Phins: Muttonchopslive: Firethorn: 9beers: Firethorn: No, if you don't train a poodle you'll not only get shiat in the house, you'll get a kid with an extremely ripped up hand. Poodles aren't harmless.

Better than a ripped up throat, right?

Depends on the relative level of 'ripped up', and a poodle might actually have an easier time reaching the throat.

I'd rather be around a properly socialized pit bull than most Chihuahua.

But the risk to others is different. That you would admit I hope. Pit Bulls potential to be dangerous if not properly trained, socialized, etc. is different than the worst behaved Chihuahua ever born.

Only because of size. Any 60# dog can do more harm than a 5# dog. Breed is irrelevant.


That makes breed completely relevant.
 
2012-05-09 07:10:37 PM

Muttonchopslive: Phins: bk3k: Its telling how many of the "pits are dangerous" crowd have never had one. Its equally telling that the people who have actually had one or more(aka people with experience) are always pit defenders. I have never seen anyone say "I got a pit and that was a mistake."

Next up, a comment along the lines of "pit owners defend these bad dogs, they have such a blind spot, they don't realize how bad pits are." Because people who own pits know the least about them!! People who don't own them, have never been around them but have heard a couple of media scare stories are the experts. Vets, trainers, groomer, etc. who say pits are great are so misinformed, they don't know anything about dogs. The person citing factually incorrect info is the one who knows!!

For myself, I'm not saying your dog is bad, as I can't know that, or that every Pit Bull is a bad dog. I will say that magically speaking for every owner or person who has had an experience with one and saying "all give the thumbs up" is a non argument, because it can't be verified. I have had plenty of bad experiences with dogs of many breeds, also good, but you can't control my opinion. I have known Pit Bull owners who were total a-holes and they had dangerous dogs that I hated.
I get that it's not the dogs fault entirely, and believe me, I put most of the blame for any problem dog on the owner, but that means that there is a real argument against the breed. Should people be able to have any breed of dog they want regardless of potential danger to others if improperly trained? I just don't trust people that much.


The point is that it's NOT the breed's fault. Any owner that is an a-hole and doesn't properly train his dog has a dangerous dog. There's nothing about a pit that makes an untrained one any more dangerous than an untrained dog of the same size of any breed.

This hype and irresponsible "OMG all pits dangerous!" reporting makes the problem worse. It just makes pits more appealing to irresponsible owners who think it's cool to have a vicious dog or a "watchdog" that lives in the yard without socialization.

You can go back to the 50s and 60s and see these exact same article, except that it says "german shepard" instead of pit bull. The stories from the 60s and 70s say "german shepard" or "doberman." In the 80s it became pit bulls. Up next, Belgian Malinois.

Dogs bred from so-called "fighting lines" actually have human aggression bred OUT. Handlers don't want to be bitten and they don't want the dogs attacking the audience. I'm not defending dog fighters, they're the scum of the earth, but they're not breeding dogs that are aggressive toward humans.
 
2012-05-09 07:19:11 PM

Phins: Muttonchopslive: Phins: bk3k: Its telling how many of the "pits are dangerous" crowd have never had one. Its equally telling that the people who have actually had one or more(aka people with experience) are always pit defenders. I have never seen anyone say "I got a pit and that was a mistake."

Next up, a comment along the lines of "pit owners defend these bad dogs, they have such a blind spot, they don't realize how bad pits are." Because people who own pits know the least about them!! People who don't own them, have never been around them but have heard a couple of media scare stories are the experts. Vets, trainers, groomer, etc. who say pits are great are so misinformed, they don't know anything about dogs. The person citing factually incorrect info is the one who knows!!

For myself, I'm not saying your dog is bad, as I can't know that, or that every Pit Bull is a bad dog. I will say that magically speaking for every owner or person who has had an experience with one and saying "all give the thumbs up" is a non argument, because it can't be verified. I have had plenty of bad experiences with dogs of many breeds, also good, but you can't control my opinion. I have known Pit Bull owners who were total a-holes and they had dangerous dogs that I hated.
I get that it's not the dogs fault entirely, and believe me, I put most of the blame for any problem dog on the owner, but that means that there is a real argument against the breed. Should people be able to have any breed of dog they want regardless of potential danger to others if improperly trained? I just don't trust people that much.

The point is that it's NOT the breed's fault. Any owner that is an a-hole and doesn't properly train his dog has a dangerous dog. There's nothing about a pit that makes an untrained one any more dangerous than an untrained dog of the same size of any breed.

This hype and irresponsible "OMG all pits dangerous!" reporting makes the problem worse. It just makes pits more appealing t ...


I didn't say OMG all Pits are dangerous, I said they have a potential to be dangerous. It doesn't matter that it's the owners fault (a fact I already said I agree with) it still leads to a risk for others.
It also doesn't matter to me that other dogs are potentially dangerous, another fact I agree with. That doesn't make Pit Bulls less dangerous. It means that we should consider who we let own what kind of animal, and what breeds are legal in general.
 
2012-05-09 07:19:32 PM
Oh yeah, pit bulls are sooooo dangerous!

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Behold the vicious pit bulls!
 
2012-05-09 07:23:55 PM

Jixa: Oh yeah, pit bulls are sooooo dangerous!

[i225.photobucket.com image 640x478]

Behold the vicious pit bulls!


This picture stands as proof that no dogs can hold any danger to anyone! Behold, he sleeps with a child!
Bin Laden probably slept with his children looking peaceful.

No, I am not likening a Pit Bull to terrorists, I am saying the argument that a peaceful and innocent act caught on camera is not an indicator in deciding whether something has the potential to be dangerous/violent.
 
2012-05-09 07:41:20 PM
You folks have no idea how dangerous pit bulls are.

I was mauled by one AT a dog show and I nearly drowned - several times.

Let this be a warning. When a strong, lick-aggressive, cement headed dog comes at you with OMG KISSES on it's mind you're in for a struggle for your life.

How to survive a drowning attempt by one of these dogs:
- Avoid the cement head coming at you, a concussion is not a good way to put up a fight.
- As the opportunity presents turn your head from side to side and take a gulp of air
- Try to outlast the assault.

/public service announcement
 
2012-05-09 07:58:53 PM

Muttonchopslive:
1. I could care less about the owners. You should be able to make choices about your own risk.

2. Your exaggeration is just silly. Driving IS dangerous, and we SHOULD take as many precautions as possible. In fact we have a ton of laws surrounding driving in an effort to decrease the inherent risk, most especially the way in which you drive that may cause risk to others.
So two things jump out at me about your rebuttal; that your having a pit bull causes a potential danger to those around you, and that your analogy is to things that may have risk but also a great amount of advantage - like driving.

You can say cliff diving and walking down the street both have risks, but saying they are the same is dumb.


Fine, and if we want to reduce the danger from vicious dogs, that's great.

The factors that lead into a dog biting are well known. I posted a link to a great summary of them earlier. The TL;DR version is male, unneutered, chained, not socialized. While breed can certainly be a factor, the factors on that page are far, far more relevant.

You are correct, size is a factor. Breed is a factor in that breed leads to size. The most vicious dog I've ever seen was a lab - who was, unsurprisingly left out in a backyard all day.

Legislation targeting breeds is silly, as the idiots that want a "big, tough dog" will either ignore the legislation, or just get a different breed of "big, tough dog." Requiring some level of knowledge/training for larger dogs may make sense.

I don't argue against pit bans because I love pit bulls. I could give a crap about pits. I've never owned one, and doubt I ever will. If we want to do something about the problem (and keep in mind, twice as many lightning fatalities as dog fatalities per year), we need to target the irresponsible behvaior of asshole owners. I'm fine with that.

Firethorn: kyoryu: but, really, irresponsible owners aren't likely to get their dog professionally groomed, yaknowwhati'msayin'?

Mixed bag; really good owners are likley to do the grooming themselves, and my parents always have shorthair dogs that don't need significant grooming; dad cuts their claws and brushes their teeth. We all brush them on occasion.

We've mostly had boston terriers.


I'm not saying "people that don't take their dogs for professional grooming are irresponsible." I'm saying "people who are irresponsible are unlikely to take their dogs in for professional grooming." IOW, the set of responsible owners that don't have their dogs professionally groomed is large, while the set of irresponsible owners that *do* is small if not zero.
 
2012-05-09 08:24:14 PM

Jixa: Oh yeah, pit bulls are sooooo dangerous!

[i225.photobucket.com image 640x478]

Behold the vicious pit bulls!


I don't think the argument against them is how menacing they are towards their own family.
 
2012-05-09 08:24:38 PM

myrrh: News flash: even breeds that are commonly regarded as vicious can be good dogs.

Here in NM, we've had two pit bull maulings in as many weeks:

Santa Fe Man Dies After Pit Bull Attack

16-month-old Mauled to Death by Pit Bull

Vicious pit bulls, and other vicious dogs, are a menace.


Bad owners are bad. How many motor vehicle fatalities occurred in the same week? Drivers are a menace, ban cars.
 
2012-05-09 09:10:15 PM

kab: grinding_journalist: /all jack russell terriers are assholes
//every. single. one.

Unbelievably incorrect.


And yet....close to the truth. Very close.
 
2012-05-09 09:23:26 PM

junglegoddess: safeforwork:

Chihuahuas are just psychopaths.


My parents own six. Six of these little monsters. You knock on the door and they go apeshiat. They jump on all the furniture, they snipe at everyone and will not stop barking. And not a single one of them is properly house trained. But so much as step toward one of them while they're overcompensating for their size and they scurry away, the little cowards. My parents honestly wonder why I can't stand going to their home. (And yes, my parents are to blame for their poor behavior. They aren't let off the hook.)

But I've never met a chihuahua that wasn't a mean little rat dog, regardless of ownership. I'd happily advocate for them all to be rounded up and dropped on an island somewhere to die. fark 'em.


There are always exceptions. My sister has a chihuahua. Total doll. He's soooooo sweet. The only time he had any temper at all was a few years ago. Turns out Chihuahua's have a tendency toward glaucoma. He had it really bad. Besides making him go blind it was giving him horrible headaches. We tried and tried to get his glaucoma under control using eyedrops and everyotherdamnthing. But nothing worked. After the vet determined he was totally blind. We said.. 'what the heck' and had his eyes removed. Poof. No more headaches.. no more cranky doggie. He knows his house. She doesn't move the furniture much hehe. And once he fell down the stairs so she put a baby gate up. But he's a good boy. Much nicer than his Min-Pin brother... grrrr
 
2012-05-09 09:27:50 PM
Subby: "Pit bull mauls owner. Just kidding, pit bull pulls unconscious owner future snack off of train tracks and then lays down between owner snack and oncoming train rival, ready to start mauling everything in sight on his own schedule. Truly, the world's greatest menace"

Now with more truthiness.
 
2012-05-09 09:35:05 PM

lymond01: Last week a family member let a friend take care of their black lab. They took it for a walk in the woods, on a leash. Two Staffordshire Terriers (generally smaller than American Pits but same original breed) came over, off leash, and attacked the lab. No one wanted to get between the dogs and the lab was literally pulled to pieces.

Yes, dogs are animals and they have their own protective instincts (protective of their owner usually) and some are just more aggressive in general. And this is why we have leashes. My 27 lb terrier/dachsund rescue dog will snap at other dogs when she's on the leash -- she's protective of us. But this means we pull her in tight against our heel when we pass other dogs on a walk and she's fine - she knows who's in charge. She's an absolute sweetheart with people, gently licks fingers, rolls over on her back almost immediately, etc.

Any owner who knows they have an aggressive dog should keep them on a leash wherever they go. Period. If you can't control your dog, don't own one. And I agree with some comments above: it's usually the people who don't know how to control a dog that go out and get the most aggressive kind.


No you're not in charge you fool. If you were in chrage you would teach your dog not to "sanp at other dogs". The fact that this happens shows that you ARE NOT IN CONTROL at least in any mental fashion. I got my "Pit Bull" from a shelter and at first she would litterally lunge and try to attack and kill any other dog that passed by. Now she knows to ignore other dogs completly when on leash. When your little dipshiat "uncontrolled" dog snaps at my Pit Bull, she will calmy keep walking because she trusts me to defend myself and her.

You dog snaps at other dogs because it either thinks you can't defend yourself or you can't defend her. You dog doesn't trust you!! Your dog may see you as "Alpha" at home but on a walk your dog doubts if you really are a true alpha.
 
2012-05-09 09:53:41 PM

Salem Witch: Salt Lick Steady: KiplingKat872: Salt Lick Steady:

Sure thing! I have a little network. Now, the slow kill requires a couple months of near non-movement, but you're probably aware of that. How far is she into treatment, and where's she located?

We're in Eastern NC, and we just started. (I couldn't afford it before now.)

Easy drive, so no sweat on transport. I just put my feelers out.

You. Friggin. Rock.

What color would you like to be?


Red, so I can see it.
 
2012-05-09 09:55:11 PM

Egoy3k: My wife worked at a veterinary office and has seen Labrador retrievers put down for attacking humans. Stupid owners or owners too prideful to admit they need assistance (this is often the case) with their animal are the problem.


I... what.

I'm not a huge dog owner (I am slowly becoming a dog person, though. I do love my GF's terrier mix-He's odd for a terrier, not really agressive or anything), but, I. How do you fark up a lab?

that just seems like something you'd have to work at.
 
2012-05-09 10:18:33 PM

Felgraf: Egoy3k: My wife worked at a veterinary office and has seen Labrador retrievers put down for attacking humans. Stupid owners or owners too prideful to admit they need assistance (this is often the case) with their animal are the problem.

I... what.

I'm not a huge dog owner (I am slowly becoming a dog person, though. I do love my GF's terrier mix-He's odd for a terrier, not really agressive or anything), but, I. How do you fark up a lab?

that just seems like something you'd have to work at.


Yeah, my former boss rescued Biscuit, who was a chocolate lab left by owners who'd been foreclosed upon. Poor Bizzy had to be dug out from beneath the porch and was about 30 lbs. when the rescuers got to her, but when they got her on to the doggy stretcher she was wagging her tail.

/She's now a happy 70 lbs or so
 
2012-05-09 10:33:10 PM

Felgraf: Egoy3k: My wife worked at a veterinary office and has seen Labrador retrievers put down for attacking humans. Stupid owners or owners too prideful to admit they need assistance (this is often the case) with their animal are the problem.

I... what.

I'm not a huge dog owner (I am slowly becoming a dog person, though. I do love my GF's terrier mix-He's odd for a terrier, not really agressive or anything), but, I. How do you fark up a lab?

that just seems like something you'd have to work at.


I dunno, there are a few chocolate labs down the street that seem pretty unhappy and have snapped, though not yet bitten, some of the kids in the neighborhood that were trying to get them back into their yard. One of the owner's supposedly admitted to chaining one down in the back....

*sigh* We have too many dogs around here that seem to get little or no interaction from their owners and get stuffed in the backyard and denied walks and play since the people figure that they'll take care of themselves.
 
2012-05-09 10:43:20 PM

alabasterblack:

Bad owners are bad. How many motor vehicle fatalities occurred in the same week? Drivers are a menace, ban cars.


I realize reading comprehension may an area in which you are challenged, so perhaps I should emphasize that I was not advocating banning anything. And even if I were, you're comparing apples to oranges. For one thing, dogs don't have the same economic benefit as cars.
 
2012-05-09 11:15:39 PM
I just ran across the street and saved a white foo-foo dog from being mauled by two large, pit-bull type dogs. Seriously. About an hour ago. Might have saved the dog's life.

Meanwhile, all the local dogs (about eight of them, including mine) run the streets around here and are just fine together.
 
2012-05-09 11:16:39 PM
You know I never thought of myself as a dog person but between dog-sitting my MIL's dog the last three weeks, rescuing a semi-stray the other day, and just 45 min ago rescuing my elderly neighbor's dogs from the yard/street they weren't supposed to be in, this story is doubly emotional for me. Good puppy... I'd give her steak at least once a week for that.

Before anyone snarks about my recent experiences, the semi-stray had rabies tags but no owner tag so we called the humane society to take her for the night and track the owner in the morning, and my neighbor's yard guy left a door open, allowing the little ones to get out. It was sheer chance I brought MIL's dog out to pee and they started barking at him. I'd never met that neighbor before because she runs a business and is out a lot, but she was INCREDIBLY grateful that I got them back home ok.

/heading it off at the pass
 
2012-05-09 11:32:09 PM
Pitbulls are LAME and need to be PUT DOWN
www.pitbulltips.com
into a comfy bed if they have severe canine hip dysplasia.
 
2012-05-10 12:22:04 AM

Ringshadow: [www.history.com image 600x300]

Sgt Stubby approves.

And I love people who are ignorant about dog breeds and support breed bans.

My parents own English Mastiffs. Their neighboring county has banned pit bulls, staffordshires, bulldogs, and yes, mastiffs, among others. But did they ban Rhodesian Ridgebacks, or Cane Corsos, or Chow Chows? Nope.

The reason why "pit bull" bite cases are so sensationalized is because of their bite strength. They are NOT an easy to own dog. These animals are STRONG ALPHA and STUBBORN. You have to be a very, VERY good dog owner and VERY on your game to train such an animal correctly. By itself this isn't a bad thing, a lot of dogs are like this. Old English Bulldogs, for example, and dalmatians also suffer from being bullheaded. But what this means is, absolute idiots who aren't hardass enough get a dog that they can't control and then shock happens when the dog goes out of control.

Do not get a dog unless you know how to own a dog. Do not get a stubborn dog unless you are very, very good at dogs. Do your research. Any dog can be a potential hazard, any dog can carry rabies. But any dog can be a great pet to if you know how to handle them.

Know what dogs have always gone after me? Shelties, and chihuahuas.

/but seriously who in their right mind bans a mastiff?
//my parents mastiffs have all been afraid of my guinea pigs, for crying out loud


Every mastiff I've ever met was essentially an enormous lapdog. They're incredibly loving.
 
2012-05-10 12:41:40 AM
So, if one Republican were to support gay marriage, that would automatically make ALL Republicans good?

Okay, seriously, if it is all about owners and training and not the breeds fault that they are assholes, then we should should stop breeding Mexicans.
 
2012-05-10 12:48:58 AM

J. Frank Parnell: I like how dog people point to generation after generation of breeding for making dogs specialized for various tasks like herding sheep, yet throw that all out the window when it comes to dogs which were bred to fight to the death in pits.


The humans have been bred to "think" this way.
 
2012-05-10 01:15:47 AM
This is my new killer
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-05-10 01:39:42 AM
If they legalised drugs then there would be no need for pitbulls.

Because drug sellers could just call the cops when they get robbed just like everyone else.
 
2012-05-10 01:41:00 AM

Phins: There's nothing about a pit that makes an untrained one any more dangerous than an untrained dog of the same size of any breed.


Hey guys, this is why we think Pit owners are a bunch of inbred morons, hth.
 
2012-05-10 02:04:05 AM
As long as the owner establishes strong dominance over a Pit, sure the dog is going to be nice to them and perhaps even do "heroic" things like this for them, but there's an inconvenient catch that Pit apologists like to leave out. Anyone that the Pit does NOT accept as Alpha goes into the dog's "potential lunch" category. In a very simplified way, the dog's thinking goes like this; "I know Steve, he's my Alpha, my pack leader. Steve is not to be farked with. I don't know you, so you aren't shiate to me."

I firmly believe that people who want to own dangerous breeds like Pits, Rotts, Presa Canarios, etc. should be required by law to have specialized training and licensing, as well as some type of ownership insurance and a court-admissible affidavit stating that they understand that they will be held fully responsible for any hostile or aggressive actions their dog commits against others, and that they agree not to keep the dog in any household with minor children. Those are perfectly reasonable requirements and they would help keep these kinds of dogs out of the hands of the tiny-penis-having-tough-guy idiots who have no business owning them.

Far too many people get these dangerous breeds because they think they are cool or tough, and they don't have a farking clue how to properly raise, socialize, control, and contain them. Owning a dog from one of these breeds absolutely is not the same thing as owning a more common companion dog like a Setter, Retriever, or Hound breed.

While it may not be the dog's fault that they are a dangerous breed, that does not negate the fact that they ARE dangerous.
 
2012-05-10 05:46:52 AM

cryinoutloud: I just ran across the street and saved a white foo-foo dog from being mauled by two large, pit-bull type dogs. Seriously. About an hour ago. Might have saved the dog's life.

Meanwhile, all the local dogs (about eight of them, including mine) run the streets around here and are just fine together.


Dog owners like you drive me batty. You have no control over your animal. It is irresponsible as hell to let your dog run around loose. Eight years of suburban living do not make up for milliins of years of evolution. You are asking for your dog to be hit by a car. Plus dog packs are far more aggresive and dangerous than individual animals. I have had too many loose dogs charge mine while I'm walking her. I'm sure thier owners think they are "fine" as well. Keep your dog in the yard and get off your backside to walk it on a leash.
 
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