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2012-05-09 03:41:01 PM

Petey the Headless Parakeet: I know what you wrote but you are just wrong. They were bred originally (hence the genetics part) to be dog aggressive and human friendly. So the "regardless of opponent" part makes no sense because, genetically, the dogs don't see humans as opponents. You are as dumb as a sack of marbles.


Wow, you're a idiot.
If a tv was manufactured and some of them blew up for some unknown reason, maiming or even killing people nearby, would the model get a pass just because because it wasn't designed that way? Whether or not non-aggression to people was originally bred in, anecdotal evidence of pits, showing no previous history of aggression towards humans, just snapping and killing someone, I would say, points to a trait that isn't overridden by training as we would like to believe.
 
2012-05-09 03:41:17 PM
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2012-05-09 03:42:06 PM

Tentacle: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

Lots of dog park "experts" tell me my dog is a pitbull (of the AmStaff kind).

The shelter said he was a Boston Terrier / English Bulldog mix.

Four separate vets at two different clinics said he was a Boxer mix.

Weighted 35 pounds when I adopted him last September, and allegedly 2 years old.

Is now 50+ lbs.

Anyone have better theories?


based on the brindle coat i would suspect there is some APTB in him and yea the face of a boxer.

mrpitbull.comdogtime.com
 
2012-05-09 03:42:55 PM

Muttonchopslive: bk3k: 9beers: bk3k: blah blah blah blah


And you don't think that's pertinent? So even if you forgo the "aggressive by nature" argument, then ability to do harm is the next line item in what makes something dangerous.

That's roughly akin to "Just as many people get shot by nerf guns, they just don't die like with automatic weapons."

I think airplane crashes are perfectly deadly. But that doesn't make me scared to ride in one. The chances of the actual crash happening is very low. There are so many things out there that CAN KILL YOU, but would to be so afraid of these things that you refuse to live your life?

Do you drive? Don't you know how dangerous that is?! What kind of loving parent would do something so reckless as to put an innocent child in a car, even knowing the danger? Do you know how many people DIE each year due to food poisoning? My grandma did last year(true story). Why would you bring your innocent, defenseless children to a restaurant? Do you go to the bank or to the store? Those get robbed you know...

Believe it or not, most pit owners are NOT getting mauled. I won't live in fear of things that have VERY LITTLE chance to kill me, thank you.
 
2012-05-09 03:43:43 PM

Tentacle: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

Lots of dog park "experts" tell me my dog is a pitbull (of the AmStaff kind).

The shelter said he was a Boston Terrier / English Bulldog mix.

Four separate vets at two different clinics said he was a Boxer mix.

Weighted 35 pounds when I adopted him last September, and allegedly 2 years old.

Is now 50+ lbs.

Anyone have better theories?


That muzzle is Boxer.
 
2012-05-09 03:44:27 PM
Thank you to everyone sharing your puppy stories

Fark you too everyone trying to troll, it gets old
 
2012-05-09 03:45:24 PM

KiplingKat872: Last September, someone dumped this little girl in the woods near my apartment complex.


Oh my grill, is she still up for adoption? I can try to help.
 
2012-05-09 03:45:47 PM
From another thread:

Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the psychotic breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Bad owner, not bad dog
* BSL doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, who i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time my Land Shark ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless
 
2012-05-09 03:48:15 PM
My big mean pit mix, ready to party

i1167.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-09 03:48:23 PM

unchellmatt: Now I ask you, would a cat do this? I don't THINK so.



Well, I haven't heard too many stories about cats eating the faces of kids, either, but whatever.
 
2012-05-09 03:51:42 PM

AllUpInYa: Petey the Headless Parakeet: I know what you wrote but you are just wrong. They were bred originally (hence the genetics part) to be dog aggressive and human friendly. So the "regardless of opponent" part makes no sense because, genetically, the dogs don't see humans as opponents. You are as dumb as a sack of marbles.

Wow, you're a idiot.
If a tv was manufactured and some of them blew up for some unknown reason, maiming or even killing people nearby, would the model get a pass just because because it wasn't designed that way? Whether or not non-aggression to people was originally bred in, anecdotal evidence of pits, showing no previous history of aggression towards humans, just snapping and killing someone, I would say, points to a trait that isn't overridden by training as we would like to believe.


Really? But we know why some of the pit bulls blow up; terrible breeding habits done by morons trying to make a quick buck. At this ridiculous TV manufacturing company that you speak of, that would be the equivalent of them not having a quality control department. Those TV's shouldn't have been shipped out in the first place, just like poorly bred dogs should be culled. A properly bred pit bull will not have a tendency to be aggressive toward humans (including strangers) but may or may not (probably will) have issues with other dogs. Or, if this is too tough to wrap your head around... A TV at this homicidal manufacturing plant should ensure in their quality control division that all TVs leaving the factory will not kill people. haha

I don't know why I bother talking to you but I have another little while at work and I love terrible analogies so keep 'em coming.
 
2012-05-09 03:52:13 PM

Nick the What: Ottawa eh? So you kinda' do live with me.

Remember this last year? Here are 2 dogs you won't be living with anymore.

Pit bull kills small dog in south Ottawa


I don't remember, but what's your point? That a pitbul that was kept in an appartment attacked a dog much smaller than it? Is this a surprise? If you know there could be big dogs around, make sure you can protect your little dog. If your not there, make sure your kid can pull the dog back out of trouble.
 
2012-05-09 03:53:09 PM

eas81: Tentacle: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

Lots of dog park "experts" tell me my dog is a pitbull (of the AmStaff kind).

The shelter said he was a Boston Terrier / English Bulldog mix.

Four separate vets at two different clinics said he was a Boxer mix.

Weighted 35 pounds when I adopted him last September, and allegedly 2 years old.

Is now 50+ lbs.

Anyone have better theories?

based on the brindle coat i would suspect there is some APTB in him and yea the face of a boxer.

[mrpitbull.com image 640x480][dogtime.com image 401x600]


He's definitely a boxer mix, probably with Eng. bulldog and some Feist. He's a mutt for sure.

Thing is, most shelters do a guess at best.
 
2012-05-09 03:54:33 PM
All pit bulls should be taken out and SHOT

www.midianews.com.br
with the proper vaccines to keep them healthy and happy.
 
2012-05-09 03:55:39 PM

Salt Lick Steady: KiplingKat872: Last September, someone dumped this little girl in the woods near my apartment complex.

Oh my grill, is she still up for adoption? I can try to help.


Wow. You have no idea how much I appreciate that. I called around for months to be told that a special needs Pittie (she is a fearful dog and will need a lot of work) was "not adoptable." One rescue organization suggested I put her down.

At the moment she is being treated for a mild case of heartworms (slow kill treatment, it's all I can afford), after that I will have her spayed. I have come to adore her, she is so sweet, but my first dog already puts me 30 pounds over my lease limit, and I'm scared that if my property management company makes sudden demand to get rid of one, she'll end up at the county animal shelter to be killed. She deserves better than that. And to be honest...Gods I love the little girl, but I'm also really strapped right now.

So if you have some resources to tap, then yes I would appreciate the help. I would prefer she go home to home, as I think kenneling her at this stage would be disastrous for her development.

Here is the evil Pit Bull being dog aggressive:

i992.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-09 04:05:23 PM

KiplingKat872: Salt Lick Steady: KiplingKat872: Last September, someone dumped this little girl in the woods near my apartment complex.

Oh my grill, is she still up for adoption? I can try to help.

Wow. You have no idea how much I appreciate that. I called around for months to be told that a special needs Pittie (she is a fearful dog and will need a lot of work) was "not adoptable." One rescue organization suggested I put her down.

At the moment she is being treated for a mild case of heartworms (slow kill treatment, it's all I can afford), after that I will have her spayed. I have come to adore her, she is so sweet, but my first dog already puts me 30 pounds over my lease limit, and I'm scared that if my property management company makes sudden demand to get rid of one, she'll end up at the county animal shelter to be killed. She deserves better than that. And to be honest...Gods I love the little girl, but I'm also really strapped right now.

So if you have some resources to tap, then yes I would appreciate the help. I would prefer she go home to home, as I think kenneling her at this stage would be disastrous for her development.

Here is the evil Pit Bull being dog aggressive:

[i992.photobucket.com image 640x480]


Sure thing! I have a little network. Now, the slow kill requires a couple months of near non-movement, but you're probably aware of that. How far is she into treatment, and where's she located?
 
2012-05-09 04:05:40 PM
Uh oh! It's been 10 minutes since the last post. Does that mean that the rational pit bull people won this argument?! HOORAY!

Nice to see that not everyone is an idiot.
 
2012-05-09 04:08:38 PM

PooperMcSlides: Well subby, as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best indicator all of future events, so thanks for ending any further discussion on the pit bull safety.


Okay, let me try to explain the side of those that are against breed-specific legislature.

The temperament of any dog boils down to three things: Genetic predisposition of the breed, individual variance, and socialization/environment. Two dogs of the same breed, from the same litter, can have vastly different temperaments.

Any breed-specific legislature, by definition, concentrates on the first two factors and ignores the third.

Nobody wants people to get hurt by dogs. Period.

Above and beyond breed, there are certain factors that are absolutely more predominant when dealing with dogs that bite. These tend to be related to demographics (and I do *not* mean race here) of the owner, sex of the dog, whether the dog has been neutered, whether the dog has been socialized, etc. There are certain irresponsible dog owners that see their animals as an extension of their masculinity, and so do not get their dogs neutered. These owners also want "big, mean-looking dogs", and typically are too irresponsible to even give their dogs the minimum of socialization, much less training.

This has been true for decades. The *only* difference is the dogs preferred by these idiot owners.

The question is, what will breed-specific legislation accomplish? It will create a lot of heartache for *responsible* owners of the targetted breeds. It is also extremely unlikely that it will have any impact on dog bites, as the same idiots that are currently buying pit bulls will just gravitate to another type of dog.

Even if we accept that the probability of getting a "mean" pit bull is higher than getting a "mean" labrador, regardless of environment, a responsible owner will know how to deal with this animal, and can keep it in a way that reduces the danger of attack to a negligible amount.

Factors in dog bites

Read that. Now, how many of those do you think would be the case of an irresponsible owner? Do you think responsible owners pay hundreds of dollars for dogs from responsible breeders? Do you think they keep their dogs healthy? Do you think they socialize them properly as puppies, or give them even rudimentary training?

The point of people against breed-specific legislation is not that they care about dogs more than people. It's that they don't believe that the legislation will actually do a damned thing to help the real problem.

If you really want to do something about dog bites, look at the owners. Require mandatory training. Stomp down on repeat offenders - and do it early, so the dog can go somewhere where people *will* socialize it.
 
2012-05-09 04:09:57 PM
I don't understand the irrational fear of pit bulls/rots, I mean it's not like they are vastly overrepresented in cases of mauling/eaten by dog/dog fighting/etc. Geesh!

Next you'll be telling me I shouldn't walk my pet tiger around the park.
 
2012-05-09 04:10:07 PM

Salt Lick Steady:

Sure thing! I have a little network. Now, the slow kill requires a couple months of near non-movement, but you're probably aware of that. How far is she into treatment, and where's she located?


We're in Eastern NC, and we just started. (I couldn't afford it before now.)
 
2012-05-09 04:11:39 PM

Doink_Boink: unchellmatt: Now I ask you, would a cat do this? I don't THINK so.


Well, I haven't heard too many stories about cats eating the faces of kids, either, but whatever.


Don't be too sure about that...

I was attending the 1992 American Academy of Forensic Sciences conference in New Orleans and a forensic pathologist related the following story (paraphrased as best as memory will serve): "Sometimes, when an individual living alone dies unexpectedly, several days may pass before anyone takes notice. Some of these individuals may own a dog or a cat, which will go unfed. In my experience, a dog may go for several days before finally resorting to eating the owner's body. A cat, on the other hand, will only wait a day or two. Just goes to show you which is more loyal. So, the next time you're falling asleep on the couch with the football game on, take a look at your cat. He's not watching you because he's enamored of you; he's checking to see if your chest is still moving." Oh, those wacky pathologists.

Link
 
2012-05-09 04:14:22 PM

KiplingKat872: Salt Lick Steady:

Sure thing! I have a little network. Now, the slow kill requires a couple months of near non-movement, but you're probably aware of that. How far is she into treatment, and where's she located?

We're in Eastern NC, and we just started. (I couldn't afford it before now.)


Easy drive, so no sweat on transport. I just put my feelers out.
 
2012-05-09 04:17:32 PM

namegoeshere: Doink_Boink: unchellmatt: Now I ask you, would a cat do this? I don't THINK so.


Well, I haven't heard too many stories about cats eating the faces of kids, either, but whatever.

Don't be too sure about that...

I was attending the 1992 American Academy of Forensic Sciences conference in New Orleans and a forensic pathologist related the following story (paraphrased as best as memory will serve): "Sometimes, when an individual living alone dies unexpectedly, several days may pass before anyone takes notice. Some of these individuals may own a dog or a cat, which will go unfed. In my experience, a dog may go for several days before finally resorting to eating the owner's body. A cat, on the other hand, will only wait a day or two. Just goes to show you which is more loyal. So, the next time you're falling asleep on the couch with the football game on, take a look at your cat. He's not watching you because he's enamored of you; he's checking to see if your chest is still moving." Oh, those wacky pathologists.

Link


Ha! Sometimes, they don't even check for that. I distinctly remember a conversation with a dispatcher who told me that she got a call over the weekend by a guy who had been passed-out drunk for over two days. Well, he woke up to find that the cat had eaten three of his toes and called 911.

/always watched ours with suspicion after that
//but then again, I never passed out for two days around them, either
 
2012-05-09 04:18:23 PM

Salt Lick Steady: KiplingKat872: Salt Lick Steady:

Sure thing! I have a little network. Now, the slow kill requires a couple months of near non-movement, but you're probably aware of that. How far is she into treatment, and where's she located?

We're in Eastern NC, and we just started. (I couldn't afford it before now.)

Easy drive, so no sweat on transport. I just put my feelers out.


Thank you so much. I understand if it is too much for folks.
 
2012-05-09 04:20:53 PM

Doink_Boink: I don't understand the irrational fear of pit bulls/rots, I mean it's not like they are vastly overrepresented in cases of mauling/eaten by dog/dog fighting/etc. Geesh!

Next you'll be telling me I shouldn't walk my pet tiger around the park.


Dog parks are for dogs not cats. People parks are for people not cats. Wildlife parks are for wildlife not tame cats. What park is appropriate? Do they have tiger parks in India or Arab nations?
 
2012-05-09 04:21:04 PM

blueviking: namegoeshere: Doink_Boink: unchellmatt: Now I ask you, would a cat do this? I don't THINK so.


Well, I haven't heard too many stories about cats eating the faces of kids, either, but whatever.

Don't be too sure about that...

I was attending the 1992 American Academy of Forensic Sciences conference in New Orleans and a forensic pathologist related the following story (paraphrased as best as memory will serve): "Sometimes, when an individual living alone dies unexpectedly, several days may pass before anyone takes notice. Some of these individuals may own a dog or a cat, which will go unfed. In my experience, a dog may go for several days before finally resorting to eating the owner's body. A cat, on the other hand, will only wait a day or two. Just goes to show you which is more loyal. So, the next time you're falling asleep on the couch with the football game on, take a look at your cat. He's not watching you because he's enamored of you; he's checking to see if your chest is still moving." Oh, those wacky pathologists.

Link

Ha! Sometimes, they don't even check for that. I distinctly remember a conversation with a dispatcher who told me that she got a call over the weekend by a guy who had been passed-out drunk for over two days. Well, he woke up to find that the cat had eaten three of his toes and called 911.

/always watched ours with suspicion after that
//but then again, I never passed out for two days around them, either


Even dogs will sometimes eat "unhealthy" bits of people. It's not a matter of hunger in these cases, it's a matter of stopping the spread of infection to "help" a packmate. There was an article a while ago about some guy whose life was saved because of this.

May or may not be true of the cat. Cats *are* evil, of course.
 
2012-05-09 04:21:07 PM

KiplingKat872: Salt Lick Steady: KiplingKat872: Salt Lick Steady:

Sure thing! I have a little network. Now, the slow kill requires a couple months of near non-movement, but you're probably aware of that. How far is she into treatment, and where's she located?

We're in Eastern NC, and we just started. (I couldn't afford it before now.)

Easy drive, so no sweat on transport. I just put my feelers out.

Thank you so much. I understand if it is too much for folks.


Do not doubt the NETWROK!
 
2012-05-09 04:25:50 PM

blueviking: namegoeshere: Doink_Boink: unchellmatt: Now I ask you, would a cat do this? I don't THINK so.


Well, I haven't heard too many stories about cats eating the faces of kids, either, but whatever.

Don't be too sure about that...

I was attending the 1992 American Academy of Forensic Sciences conference in New Orleans and a forensic pathologist related the following story (paraphrased as best as memory will serve): "Sometimes, when an individual living alone dies unexpectedly, several days may pass before anyone takes notice. Some of these individuals may own a dog or a cat, which will go unfed. In my experience, a dog may go for several days before finally resorting to eating the owner's body. A cat, on the other hand, will only wait a day or two. Just goes to show you which is more loyal. So, the next time you're falling asleep on the couch with the football game on, take a look at your cat. He's not watching you because he's enamored of you; he's checking to see if your chest is still moving." Oh, those wacky pathologists.

Link

Ha! Sometimes, they don't even check for that. I distinctly remember a conversation with a dispatcher who told me that she got a call over the weekend by a guy who had been passed-out drunk for over two days. Well, he woke up to find that the cat had eaten three of his toes and called 911.

/always watched ours with suspicion after that
//but then again, I never passed out for two days around them, either


I KNEW it! My evil kittehs apparently are psychic, and know that I am hanging out in a dog thread today. They are suddenly velcro. One is climbing all over the keyboard, and the other is chewing my hand in a very, "Time to stop posting, Mom" way.
 
2012-05-09 04:27:55 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Degenz: Not mine, but one like a Bull Mastiff I used to own.
[www.pawsitivelypuppylicious.com image 512x450]
She was so big she didn't have to be mean, she'd keep order around the house just because her size alone got everyone's attention.

Large dogs can be very intimidating, that's for sure.


No kidding. I mean, when a small dog slobbers on you, you get a kleenex, maybe a paper towel, and you're good to go. If my old (now departed) 120-lb. German Shepherd slobbered on you, it required a bath towel at least!
 
2012-05-09 04:28:33 PM

unchellmatt: Now I ask you, would a cat do this? I don't THINK so.


Cats are too small.

I absolutely guarantee that my cat would hiss and scratch the shiat out of me until I moved on my own, though.
 
2012-05-09 04:28:53 PM

Ajanu: I don't remember, but what's your point?


No point. Nothing to see here. Isolated Canadian incident (as Salt lick would say). What attack? *shifts eyes back and forth* I don't even know why it was in the news at all.

That a pitbul that was kept in an appartment attacked a dog much smaller than it?

So you agree with a ban on pit bull owners in appartments that live close to smaller dogs? Maybe we're getting somewhere here.

Ajanu: If you know there could be big dogs around, make sure you can protect your little dog. If your not there, make sure your kid can pull the dog back out of trouble.

Well you live in the city. Could you provide us with a map showing us where all the big dogs live, then we can train our children to repel and /or evade them? Maybe some ruff and rugged, ninja dog evading moves. Thanks in advance.
 
2012-05-09 04:32:08 PM

kyoryu: Even dogs will sometimes eat "unhealthy" bits of people. It's not a matter of hunger in these cases, it's a matter of stopping the spread of infection to "help" a packmate. There was an article a while ago about some guy whose life was saved because of this.


You know the face transplant lady? Or the first one to get the procedure? She actually attempted suicide and took sleeping pills. Her dog, a golden retriever, sensed something was wrong and started pawing at her face to wake her up. As she wasn't responding the pawing got more intense and then it started nipping and biting and pulling until her lips and tip of her nose came off. When she woke up the severe nerve damage just made her feel numb so she wasn't even aware of what happened until she lit a cigarette and found she couldn't hold onto it.

/yes, Spot did get put down after that and she got a new face
 
2012-05-09 04:32:31 PM

smouffle: Mitch Taylor's Bro: myrrh: smouffle: i love how everyone jumps on the "well boo, she is an alcoholic wagon so this story loses all relevance".

... in conclusion, dogs rule.

What the hell is an alcoholic wagon?

Punctuation problems. Probably should've been:

I love how everyone jumps on the "well boo! -- she is an alcoholic" wagon, so this story loses all relevance.

smouffle spelled "loses" properly, so it all balances out in my opinion :-)

thanks for fixing that up for me. too tired to be sneakily farking at work.


No need to thank me; it's my job. Mitch Taylor's Bro: editor of the Internetz.
 
2012-05-09 04:32:43 PM

unchellmatt: Now I ask you, would a cat do this? I don't THINK so.


score!
 
2012-05-09 04:33:34 PM

kyoryu: blueviking: namegoeshere: Doink_Boink: unchellmatt: Now I ask you, would a cat do this? I don't THINK so.


Well, I haven't heard too many stories about cats eating the faces of kids, either, but whatever.

Don't be too sure about that...

I was attending the 1992 American Academy of Forensic Sciences conference in New Orleans and a forensic pathologist related the following story (paraphrased as best as memory will serve): "Sometimes, when an individual living alone dies unexpectedly, several days may pass before anyone takes notice. Some of these individuals may own a dog or a cat, which will go unfed. In my experience, a dog may go for several days before finally resorting to eating the owner's body. A cat, on the other hand, will only wait a day or two. Just goes to show you which is more loyal. So, the next time you're falling asleep on the couch with the football game on, take a look at your cat. He's not watching you because he's enamored of you; he's checking to see if your chest is still moving." Oh, those wacky pathologists.

Link

Ha! Sometimes, they don't even check for that. I distinctly remember a conversation with a dispatcher who told me that she got a call over the weekend by a guy who had been passed-out drunk for over two days. Well, he woke up to find that the cat had eaten three of his toes and called 911.

/always watched ours with suspicion after that
//but then again, I never passed out for two days around them, either

Even dogs will sometimes eat "unhealthy" bits of people. It's not a matter of hunger in these cases, it's a matter of stopping the spread of infection to "help" a packmate. There was an article a while ago about some guy whose life was saved because of this.

May or may not be true of the cat. Cats *are* evil, of course.


Well, I never assume that it'll be the same. I don't know for sure, but I don't believe he had any sort of infection...or at least none that had manifested itself, yet. Our cat-dog I had less of an issue with, being that she cuddled with me after my accident and hardly left my side (maybe she was waiting for rotten bits, too, who knows, I heard the story afterwards) because she was a very affectionate animal. Our other cat, well, he bit me during a nap plenty of times to make me think otherwise.
 
2012-05-09 04:35:37 PM

grinding_journalist: And because people are posting their pups
[i830.photobucket.com image 640x480]

Sadie on the left, Kirby on the right. (Or Doo-Bear and Toob, as they've come to be known.)


Couple of little precious cuties, the look my two cats give me the moment the sun rises, and they think they're entitled to breakfast.

/would stay in bed otherwise
 
2012-05-09 04:42:25 PM
I simply can't quote all the bad information posted, so I'm just going to post some facts.

Pit bulls are not inherently vicious, aggressive or stubborn. Pit bull do better in temperament testing than 121 other breeds. Pit bulls pass at ~90%, the breeds they beat have an average passing rate of ~70%. American Temperament Test Society, Inc

There are no reliable statistics for dog bites by breed, so you cannot say that pits are responsible for X% of bites or X% of fatal bites.

Dogs bite people every day. It only makes the news if the dog appears to be a pit bull. That doesn't mean pit bulls bite more than other breeds.


Identifying a dog's breed by sight is notoriously unreliable. So whatever dog bit someone probably wasn't even a pit bull.

Pits are good natured and particularly eager to please. They are excellent family dogs and excellent dogs to have around young children. They are extremely tolerant of kids pulling their tails, "petting" that's actually hitting, etc.

Pit bulls do not have super-strong bite strength. Bite strength is a function of the size and shape of the jaw. Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic recently tested the bite strength of three breeds. The rottweiler and the German Shepard had stronger bites than the pit. Also, pits do not have "locking" jaws. They have the exact same jaw structure as every other dog.

A dog that lives in the back yard and has not been properly socialized and trained is not a pet dog or a family dog. It's a resident dog.

NCRC Report on Dog-Bite Fatalities 2011

Known risk factors for fatal dog bites:
1. Unneutered male
2. Dog was tethered
3. Owner has a criminal record

Children often inadvertently provoke dogs. Children should be supervised around dogs and by "supervised" I mean watched and made to stop any provoking behaviors.
 
2012-05-09 04:42:37 PM

Nick the What: Ajanu: I don't remember, but what's your point?

No point. Nothing to see here. Isolated Canadian incident (as Salt lick would say). What attack? *shifts eyes back and forth* I don't even know why it was in the news at all.

That a pitbul that was kept in an appartment attacked a dog much smaller than it?

So you agree with a ban on pit bull owners in appartments that live close to smaller dogs? Maybe we're getting somewhere here.

Ajanu: If you know there could be big dogs around, make sure you can protect your little dog. If your not there, make sure your kid can pull the dog back out of trouble.

Well you live in the city. Could you provide us with a map showing us where all the big dogs live, then we can train our children to repel and /or evade them? Maybe some ruff and rugged, ninja dog evading moves. Thanks in advance.


How about this? Ban ACTUALLY aggressive dogs. As in, if it's aggressive, you have to get rid of it. Make owners liable for what the dog does. Doesn't matter the breed. If a Pomeranian barks like crazy at every person who passes by, it has to go. If a pitbull does, it has to go, too.

As for teaching your child to be a dog-ninja, you could teach your child to deal with dogs in a reasonable way. The most common reason for a kid to be attacked is because it was teasing the dog or was too rough with a strange dog. Hopefully no dog would ever attack a human, but since that isn't likely, you can always teach your kid what he needs to know to make it less likely to be them.
 
2012-05-09 04:44:21 PM

Ringshadow: KatjaMouse: Degenz: She was so big she didn't have to be mean, she'd keep order around the house just because her size alone got everyone's attention.

Is it a big scaredy? Every mastiff I've ever encountered was either painfully shy of scared of gerbils and adorable in every way. Everyone I've met at my park is more interested in mingling with the people or thinks he's a little dog and tries playing with the maltese pups there. I also had a neighbor once who's mastiff, who practically lived on their front lawn, would hide under their truck or in a bush any time I would pet sit my friend's toy poodle. That dog pwned his ass.

To be fair, bull mastiffs are more energetic and in your face as compared to English mastiffs, but that's like saying a butter knife is more dangerous than a spoon.

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Starr: ..seriously?
Mustard Plug: FLOOR IS WARM HERPDERP


I'm seriously loving your posts. Mastiffs are great dogs. And Mustard Plug is a hilarious name.
 
2012-05-09 04:45:22 PM

unchellmatt: Now I ask you, would a cat do this? I don't THINK so.


Which makes one justified in hating cats, apparently.

Using that logic, a dog can't carry a human across the country like a horse can, so dogs are worthless pests as well.
 
2012-05-09 04:47:57 PM

Doink_Boink: I don't understand the irrational fear of pit bulls/rots, I mean it's not like they are vastly overrepresented in cases of mauling/eaten by dog/dog fighting/etc. Geesh!

Next you'll be telling me I shouldn't walk my pet tiger around the park.


Overrepresented is not the same thing as overreported.
 
2012-05-09 04:49:07 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: No kidding. I mean, when a small dog slobbers on you, you get a kleenex, maybe a paper towel, and you're good to go. If my old (now departed) 120-lb. German Shepherd slobbered on you, it required a bath towel at least!


Slobber: the other red meat
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2012-05-09 04:49:26 PM

Doink_Boink: I don't understand the irrational fear of pit bulls/rots, I mean it's not like they are vastly overrepresented in cases of mauling/eaten by dog/dog fighting/etc. Geesh!

Next you'll be telling me I shouldn't walk my pet tiger around the park.


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/If your not from El Paso you probably won't get it.
 
2012-05-09 04:49:27 PM

Phins: Doink_Boink: I don't understand the irrational fear of pit bulls/rots, I mean it's not like they are vastly overrepresented in cases of mauling/eaten by dog/dog fighting/etc. Geesh!

Next you'll be telling me I shouldn't walk my pet tiger around the park.

Overrepresented is not the same thing as overreported.

and they get reported more only because they bite harder. I don't believe the odds of actually getting bit are higher. Sensationalized, fearful people don't know any better though.
 
2012-05-09 04:53:28 PM

prettyontheinside: I'm seriously loving your posts. Mastiffs are great dogs. And Mustard Plug is a hilarious name.


Aww, thank you!

Here's my parents corgi in a catbed.

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2012-05-09 04:56:41 PM

alowishus: Wise_Guy: The video mentions she 'suffers from alcoholism'.

"Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only one you can get yelled at for having. Goddamn it Otto, you are an alcoholic. Goddamn it Otto, you have Lupis... one of those two doesn't sound right."


Far from the only one, but they go in and out of style. I remember my mom's grandmother yelling at her because she wouldn't "fix" my left-handedness. Grandma called left-handedness a "sickness", and I remember wondering if it would kill me.

Mom put up with constant abuse from her family and in-laws for being a bad mother. She wouldn't lie to me, even about Santa. She wouldn't let Dad beat me until I had a set of scars on my back to match his, either. Not that Dad wanted to do that. It was just the only child-rearing example he'd ever known. And most important of all, when I asked hard questions she taught me to look up the answers rather than punishing me for being a smart-alec, which is what happened to many of my friends.

//Thanks, Mom!
//and "fark you", rural Kentucky. The only thing I've ever missed is your night sky.
 
2012-05-09 04:57:32 PM

9beers: If you don't train a poodle, they'll shiat in the house or nip a kids hand. If you don't (and even if you do) train a pit bull, they have to potential of becoming a killing machine. They should not be kept as pets.


No, if you don't train a poodle you'll not only get shiat in the house, you'll get a kid with an extremely ripped up hand. Poodles aren't harmless.
 
2012-05-09 05:01:33 PM
spidermilk: HOWEVER. I do believe that simply do to their genetics (or certain health problems) some dogs are dangerously aggressive and cannot be rehabilitated. Some people can care for these dogs and keep them and others safe (mostly by keeping the dog away from any strangers). The dog didn't chose to be bad, but due to genetic misfortune (or bad breeders) it has a temperament so fearful and aggressive that the dog is dangerous. It isn't always someone's fault, not all aggressive dogs are that way because a person made them that way, and not all dogs can be fixed even by dog training/behavior experts or even with meds.

Only a tiny percentage of dogs cannot be rehabilitated, and it's because of the way they were treated. It has nothing to do with genetics or breed.

I volunteer for a rescue group and I'm on the behavior team. That means I work with the dogs that have behavior problems, including aggression.We have 50-60 dogs in our behavior program at any given time. I work with all kinds of dogs, including plenty that look like pits (I say "look like pits" because it's nearly impossible to identify breeds by sight). So I know what I'm talking about when I say dogs can be rehabilitated and it has nothing to do with breed. The pit-type dogs are actually easier to work with, they learn and respond to training very quickly.
 
2012-05-09 05:04:13 PM
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2012-05-09 05:13:06 PM

Salt Lick Steady: KiplingKat872: Salt Lick Steady:

Sure thing! I have a little network. Now, the slow kill requires a couple months of near non-movement, but you're probably aware of that. How far is she into treatment, and where's she located?

We're in Eastern NC, and we just started. (I couldn't afford it before now.)

Easy drive, so no sweat on transport. I just put my feelers out.


You. Friggin. Rock.

What color would you like to be?
 
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