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2012-05-09 02:53:29 PM  

AllUpInYa: What was this dog originally bred to do?


There are so many varieties, but generally, they are trained to subdue a predator without killing it, until the killer gets there.
 
2012-05-09 02:53:56 PM  

AllUpInYa: Petey the Headless Parakeet:

I agree. Genetics are the most important determining factor. You can train pit bulls and the majority of them will be OK around other animals. You cannot, however, train them to the point where you can confidently say that they WILL NOT fight another dog. If you do that, you are setting your dog up to fail. However, when it comes to human aggression, it takes poor breeding for that to become a trait in a dog because it is not in the pure genetics of APBT's.

Really? What does the "Pit" in APBT stand for? What was this dog originally bred to do?


Are you dumb? I am saying that APBT's usually ARE dog aggressive. Just not human aggressive. With lots of training, you can subdue their prey drive but it is always there. Go back and re-read; carefully this time.
 
2012-05-09 02:54:13 PM  
Okay, but can you imagine how angry that pitbull is going to be now...
 
2012-05-09 02:54:39 PM  

Ajanu: GOB: I don't think most people think pitbulls are more likely to attack people than other dogs (although statistically they are) it's their ability to kill/maim that scares most people I think.

I'm sure this person did their best, but all they did was take money for googling some shiat. Records of dog attacks in the media/dogs for sale online. Yes that provides an estimate, but it's hardly definitive. What about dogs that don't get sold often online? What about dog bites that were not reported? Dogs often give warning bites, it's a lot bigger deal the bigger and stronger the dog is.

This thread makes me want a dog, but living on the 8th floor of an appartment building is not conducive to dog ownership. One day I will have a house and the space to own a dog.


I strongly recommend a mutt from the local shelter.
 
2012-05-09 02:55:26 PM  

stevarooni: Degenz: But the story reminds me of a new law out of Virginia (I think) designating pit bulls and rotweillors as dangerous after some kids got mauled.

:-( That's sad. Generalizing from the specific is not good. It doesn't make you any more safe, really, it just stigmatizes a breed of dog for one dog's actions. They don't do the same when chihuahuas bite...which is far more frequent.

Thanks for the CSB, though. I like that you're able to give some German Shepherds a happy greeting during the day.


To be fair, there is a fairly sizable "injury" difference between a chihuahua bite and a large dog breed bite (ie: pitbull, german shepard ect...)

/although if we ever do get a "man killed by chihuahua attack" thread on fark, well, that will be an interesting thread.
 
2012-05-09 02:55:35 PM  
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Sup Pittbros. Here's my little runt. She's a chocolate lab pitt mix, but not really much of a pitt cause of her size. She's about the size of a cocker spaniel with a lab head, but built from solid pitt muscle. She's physically affectionate, very loyal, and one of my best friends.

Much love (Princess) Mia, you are the best pussy magnet and workout partner guy could ask for.
 
2012-05-09 02:56:19 PM  

Petey the Headless Parakeet: badaboom: When I see a pitbull I take my dog the other way.

And, as a general rule, that isn't a bad idea. They are often dog aggressive and not always owned by intelligent people. I know my APBT is good with all female dogs and male dogs smaller than him but I still don't let him play with dogs when I am walking with him... some owners might.

However, if you are walking down the road without your dog and you see someone walking their pit bull, ask if you can pet it and see how overblown the media has hyped the pit bull BS.


Same with our mix, he gets along fine with females, for the most part (our neighbors' English Bulldog HATES him for some reason and went after him unprovoked, the first time they met but they reined her in quickly enough) and, as long as another male doesn't start getting aggressive with him right off the bat, he'll be okay until the other starts lunging and barking.
 
2012-05-09 02:57:52 PM  
 
2012-05-09 02:58:11 PM  
I adore pit bulls. I try to work with them when I volunteer at the ARL-IA (we're the only local shelter that takes them), and they are sweet, amazing, goofy dogs. A bit too high-energy for me to have as a pet, but I can keep up with them in short bursts. If I were to get a dog, it would need to be one that didn't need much exercise, as my health problems make exercising hard. But I think pit bulls are amazing dogs that do not deserve the rep they get, and I love working with them.
 
2012-05-09 02:58:19 PM  

Expolaris: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 640x480]

Sup Pittbros. Here's my little runt. She's a chocolate lab pitt mix, but not really much of a pitt cause of her size. She's about the size of a cocker spaniel with a lab head, but built from solid pitt muscle. She's physically affectionate, very loyal, and one of my best friends.

Much love (Princess) Mia, you are the best pussy magnet and workout partner guy could ask for.


She looks like she'll get 'em off your lawn
 
2012-05-09 03:00:43 PM  

madanimalscientist: I adore pit bulls. I try to work with them when I volunteer at the ARL-IA (we're the only local shelter that takes them), and they are sweet, amazing, goofy dogs. A bit too high-energy for me to have as a pet, but I can keep up with them in short bursts. If I were to get a dog, it would need to be one that didn't need much exercise, as my health problems make exercising hard. But I think pit bulls are amazing dogs that do not deserve the rep they get, and I love working with them.


Yep, working with them for the inmate-dog obedience programs here, they're amazingly sweet though high-energy dogs. I have an Am. Bulldog. She's the type of dog I know would dog-weep at my death site.
 
2012-05-09 03:01:59 PM  

Petey the Headless Parakeet: AllUpInYa: Petey the Headless Parakeet:

I agree. Genetics are the most important determining factor. You can train pit bulls and the majority of them will be OK around other animals. You cannot, however, train them to the point where you can confidently say that they WILL NOT fight another dog. If you do that, you are setting your dog up to fail. However, when it comes to human aggression, it takes poor breeding for that to become a trait in a dog because it is not in the pure genetics of APBT's.

Really? What does the "Pit" in APBT stand for? What was this dog originally bred to do?

Are you dumb? I am saying that APBT's usually ARE dog aggressive. Just not human aggressive. With lots of training, you can subdue their prey drive but it is always there. Go back and re-read; carefully this time.


And I'm saying that being on a hair-trigger, regardless of the opponent (probably the terrier in them) is part of what cannot be completely overridden by training.
 
2012-05-09 03:02:38 PM  

Ninepoundhammer: Obviously aggressive by nature

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Pit Bulls aren't aggressive because of a puppy picture? That's your argument?

Look, a pit bull is not a specie of animal, we bred it into existence. They can be dangerous, as can other breeds. No one "needs" a pit bull.

Does no one else think dog breeding in general is a little creepy? It's become so pervasive that people shop for dogs like they are an accessory. When I was a kid (not so long ago) very few people had a pure bred dog.

Also, of course it's not true across the board, BUT in large part the kind of people who are most likely to want a pit bull are aggressive douches themselves.
 
2012-05-09 03:02:50 PM  

blueviking: Petey the Headless Parakeet: badaboom: When I see a pitbull I take my dog the other way.

And, as a general rule, that isn't a bad idea. They are often dog aggressive and not always owned by intelligent people. I know my APBT is good with all female dogs and male dogs smaller than him but I still don't let him play with dogs when I am walking with him... some owners might.

However, if you are walking down the road without your dog and you see someone walking their pit bull, ask if you can pet it and see how overblown the media has hyped the pit bull BS.

Same with our mix, he gets along fine with females, for the most part (our neighbors' English Bulldog HATES him for some reason and went after him unprovoked, the first time they met but they reined her in quickly enough) and, as long as another male doesn't start getting aggressive with him right off the bat, he'll be okay until the other starts lunging and barking.


We had a dachshund when I was a kid (lived to be really old until he died a couple months ago) who never saw a man until he was about 2 years old. (That being my father) He pretty regularly growled or tried to bite adult men he didn't know until we got him trained. And even then he wasn't really happy about male strangers.

/Only woman he ever went after is a lesbian...
 
2012-05-09 03:04:18 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Ajanu: GOB: I don't think most people think pitbulls are more likely to attack people than other dogs (although statistically they are) it's their ability to kill/maim that scares most people I think.

I'm sure this person did their best, but all they did was take money for googling some shiat. Records of dog attacks in the media/dogs for sale online. Yes that provides an estimate, but it's hardly definitive. What about dogs that don't get sold often online? What about dog bites that were not reported? Dogs often give warning bites, it's a lot bigger deal the bigger and stronger the dog is.

This thread makes me want a dog, but living on the 8th floor of an appartment building is not conducive to dog ownership. One day I will have a house and the space to own a dog.

I strongly recommend a mutt from the local shelter.


This.

You know how medieval royalty was insane from inbreeding? This affects dogs as well.
 
2012-05-09 03:05:35 PM  

AllUpInYa: Petey the Headless Parakeet: AllUpInYa: Petey the Headless Parakeet:

I agree. Genetics are the most important determining factor. You can train pit bulls and the majority of them will be OK around other animals. You cannot, however, train them to the point where you can confidently say that they WILL NOT fight another dog. If you do that, you are setting your dog up to fail. However, when it comes to human aggression, it takes poor breeding for that to become a trait in a dog because it is not in the pure genetics of APBT's.

Really? What does the "Pit" in APBT stand for? What was this dog originally bred to do?

Are you dumb? I am saying that APBT's usually ARE dog aggressive. Just not human aggressive. With lots of training, you can subdue their prey drive but it is always there. Go back and re-read; carefully this time.

And I'm saying that being on a hair-trigger, regardless of the opponent (probably the terrier in them) is part of what cannot be completely overridden by training.


Of for Christ's sake! I know that! That is the EXACT point of my post. However, it only applies to animals that the dog would consider game; not human beings. That's why I said that no responsible pit bull owner can confidently say that their dog will definitely not attack another dog. I have trained my boy to be as good as possible with dogs and he gets along with my cocker spaniel great... but I don't let him play with most other dogs because I am only 80% sure it wouldn't be a problem, not 100%.
 
2012-05-09 03:06:51 PM  
OK, fine.

1

Out of how many?
 
2012-05-09 03:07:32 PM  
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Lots of dog park "experts" tell me my dog is a pitbull (of the AmStaff kind).

The shelter said he was a Boston Terrier / English Bulldog mix.

Four separate vets at two different clinics said he was a Boxer mix.

Weighted 35 pounds when I adopted him last September, and allegedly 2 years old.

Is now 50+ lbs.

Anyone have better theories?
 
2012-05-09 03:08:03 PM  

Zombie DJ: OK, fine.

1

Out of how many?


Well, I assume it's the first time she's passed out on the tracks. But I don't know.
 
2012-05-09 03:08:13 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: madanimalscientist: I adore pit bulls. I try to work with them when I volunteer at the ARL-IA (we're the only local shelter that takes them), and they are sweet, amazing, goofy dogs. A bit too high-energy for me to have as a pet, but I can keep up with them in short bursts. If I were to get a dog, it would need to be one that didn't need much exercise, as my health problems make exercising hard. But I think pit bulls are amazing dogs that do not deserve the rep they get, and I love working with them.

Yep, working with them for the inmate-dog obedience programs here, they're amazingly sweet though high-energy dogs. I have an Am. Bulldog. She's the type of dog I know would dog-weep at my death site.


Damn good on ya, my friend. This need to be done all over the country.

My Step-Daughter's Pit mix, Nate the Freight Train, with my Beagle/Heeler mix, Suzy.

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2012-05-09 03:08:14 PM  

Ninepoundhammer: Our staffy displaying her genetic aggressiveness towards other dogs

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OMG was she raised by Obama?!
 
2012-05-09 03:09:12 PM  
I grew up with an Akita/lab mix. It was the best dog EVER. She decided early on that I was her master, despite me being rather young at the time. She followed me everywhere I went. She pulled me up hills on my bike. She ran to my rescue during soccer games and she had great ball control. If the ball lived through the process.

And one day, some drunk frat kids from a party down the street decide to break into my house at 2:30am. My dog didn't bark, she didn't growl, she hunkered down out of sight and waited for the drunk idiots to breach the back door. They did, and she leaped from cover and tackled one of them. Just about the time my mom walked out of her bedroom with a loaded .22 rifle.

The dog is sitting on the chest of a stupid 20 something, with her teeth around his neck.... just kinda sitting there. The guy peed himself and started blathering about not dying. Albeit rather quietly.

The other guy that was with him ran before anyone even really got a look at him.

When the cops arrive, my mom is making tea and I'm holding the rifle (about 16 yo), and the dog is still sitting on the drunk dude. Teeth still lightly around his neck.

The cops take one look at this, and says "OK, first, get your dog out of here, second, put that gun away" My mom walks over, gives the cop a tea cup and shows him that the rifle has a mag in it, but no bullets. Then she pulls the loaded mag out of her pocket and shows it to the cop. She says " I'm not going to shoot a stupid kid for being drunk"

The cop says " based on that dog, you don't need to, now could you restrain her please"

I walk over, and call her by name (t-bear, because she looked like a stuffed bear when we got her) and she trots over with her tail wagging and her weirdly colored tongue hanging out to the side. At this point the cop just kinda laughs and pats the dog on the head as he goes to arrest the drunken fool.

My dog got steak that day.
 
2012-05-09 03:09:18 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: blueviking: Petey the Headless Parakeet: badaboom: When I see a pitbull I take my dog the other way.

And, as a general rule, that isn't a bad idea. They are often dog aggressive and not always owned by intelligent people. I know my APBT is good with all female dogs and male dogs smaller than him but I still don't let him play with dogs when I am walking with him... some owners might.

However, if you are walking down the road without your dog and you see someone walking their pit bull, ask if you can pet it and see how overblown the media has hyped the pit bull BS.

Same with our mix, he gets along fine with females, for the most part (our neighbors' English Bulldog HATES him for some reason and went after him unprovoked, the first time they met but they reined her in quickly enough) and, as long as another male doesn't start getting aggressive with him right off the bat, he'll be okay until the other starts lunging and barking.

We had a dachshund when I was a kid (lived to be really old until he died a couple months ago) who never saw a man until he was about 2 years old. (That being my father) He pretty regularly growled or tried to bite adult men he didn't know until we got him trained. And even then he wasn't really happy about male strangers.

/Only woman he ever went after is a lesbian...


Roffles, well, our male, Fenrir, loves people, the only time I've ever seen him get aggressive with a person is when they've been hostile to me and my husband (we had a disturbance with the neighbors about a month and a half ago, and whenever their friend, who instigated it, pulls up now, both he and our female lab mix, Piper, get fersnicketty).
 
2012-05-09 03:09:38 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Degenz: Not mine, but one like a Bull Mastiff I used to own.
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She was so big she didn't have to be mean, she'd keep order around the house just because her size alone got everyone's attention.

Large dogs can be very intimidating, that's for sure.

CSS time. A friend of mine and her family bred show dogs (and showed them) when she was growing up. Great Danes, to be exact. She said that they had a dog door installed so their herd of small ponies dogs could go in and out of the back yard at will. While it was being installed the handyman doing the work mentioned that a dog door that large could easily allow a person to crawl into the house as well. Her dad just looked at the man and said "If you saw a dog door that big, would you really want to crawl through and meet the beast that was waiting on the other side?" I think he had a very good point.


CSS, indeed. Thank you :)

And reminds me of this fool who got caught crawling in the grease vent of a cheap taco joint.

/bonus: one of the cops on scene is my ex brother-in-law
 
2012-05-09 03:09:39 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Salt Lick Steady: Nick the What: So we are all in agreement that it's not pit bulls that kill people, it's people that kill people by pit bull killing? Good!

Now, what to do about people being killed by pit bulls.

Hmmm? I know! Let's post more anecdotes about pit bulls that did not kill anyone.

Lemme guess, you're from a cold state?

*checks profile*

Aaand blammo.

The reason you see what you want to see is because nigh 70% of the dogs down here are pit or pit mixes.


meh. They're all domesticated wolves (Canis lupus familiaris) to me. Pet ownership is juvenile. When I grew up I stopped wanting to possess cute and cuddly things. In this case it appears peoples desire to own a pet has resulted in babys being mauled to death. Fark it. Ban them all. If it saves a human life and eases the suffering of a dogs life, then I say it's worth it.
 
2012-05-09 03:10:20 PM  

Tentacle: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

Lots of dog park "experts" tell me my dog is a pitbull (of the AmStaff kind).

The shelter said he was a Boston Terrier / English Bulldog mix.

Four separate vets at two different clinics said he was a Boxer mix.

Weighted 35 pounds when I adopted him last September, and allegedly 2 years old.

Is now 50+ lbs.

Anyone have better theories?


That face has Boxer written all over it. Good lookin' dog.
 
2012-05-09 03:10:42 PM  

Tentacle: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

Lots of dog park "experts" tell me my dog is a pitbull (of the AmStaff kind).

The shelter said he was a Boston Terrier / English Bulldog mix.

Four separate vets at two different clinics said he was a Boxer mix.

Weighted 35 pounds when I adopted him last September, and allegedly 2 years old.

Is now 50+ lbs.

Anyone have better theories?




That some dog "breeds" are BS.

IMO, there is no such breed as "Pit Bull."
 
2012-05-09 03:11:44 PM  

Tentacle: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

Lots of dog park "experts" tell me my dog is a pitbull (of the AmStaff kind).

The shelter said he was a Boston Terrier / English Bulldog mix.

Four separate vets at two different clinics said he was a Boxer mix.

Weighted 35 pounds when I adopted him last September, and allegedly 2 years old.

Is now 50+ lbs.

Anyone have better theories?


His snout does have a bulldog kind of look to it. But he looks slimmer than I would expect if it was just that and pitbull or boxer.

At any rate, he looks like a good dog. What's his name?
 
2012-05-09 03:12:29 PM  
I like how dog people point to generation after generation of breeding for making dogs specialized for various tasks like herding sheep, yet throw that all out the window when it comes to dogs which were bred to fight to the death in pits.
 
2012-05-09 03:12:42 PM  

9beers: bk3k: Pits are only aggressive when they are TRAINED TO BE AGGRESSIVE. They are very trainable dogs, that's all. They do have a high bit of energy, but they are very sweet dogs by default.

The people who believe that "all pits are dangerous" are just ignorant, fearful people. Personally, I find ignorant, fearful people to be far more dangerous.

You're the ignorant one. Pits are aggressive by nature and have to be trained not to be.


I say they are nothing of the sort. How many of them have you owned? I have never seen a pit that I or anyone I know owns(which makes for a quite a few pits between us) that was aggressive. Unless by "aggressive" you mean energetic, playful, and affectionate? I have never seen a more loving breed of dogs.

Its telling how many of the "pits are dangerous" crowd have never had one. Its equally telling that the people who have actually had one or more(aka people with experience) are always pit defenders. I have never seen anyone say "I got a pit and that was a mistake."

But you have your assertion that - "Pits are aggressive by nature and have to be trained not to be." Just what proof/evidence do you have for this? I suspect none at all aside from your belief that this is "common sense." Or maybe you are going to have some stat that only tells the gross total of pit bites and totally ignores such things as -
1. How many total pits are owned and thus how very insignificantly low the ratio really is.
2. How many of those offending pits where TRAINED to be aggressive by ghetto assholes who love dog fights.
3. That you have plenty of bites from EVERY BREED. Of course pits bite a bit harder than many, thus causing more damage(more likely requiring medical care) and therefore being more likely to have been reported than a chiwawa bite(which you will probably laugh off).

I suggest you do your homework. Then I won't call you ignorant(one would suspect that you finally won't be).

I am curious if you think Labs are dangerous - also being one of my favorite sweetheart dogs.
 
2012-05-09 03:13:12 PM  

Salem Witch: Damn good on ya, my friend. This need to be done all over the country.

My Step-Daughter's Pit mix, Nate the Freight Train, with my Beagle/Heeler mix, Suzy.


NATE THE FREIGHT comin' in!!

Here's links to my favorite programs, if you're interested: DAWGS and Paws on Parole
 
GOB
2012-05-09 03:13:19 PM  

Nick the What: Salt Lick Steady: Salt Lick Steady: Nick the What: So we are all in agreement that it's not pit bulls that kill people, it's people that kill people by pit bull killing? Good!

Now, what to do about people being killed by pit bulls.

Hmmm? I know! Let's post more anecdotes about pit bulls that did not kill anyone.

Lemme guess, you're from a cold state?

*checks profile*

Aaand blammo.

The reason you see what you want to see is because nigh 70% of the dogs down here are pit or pit mixes.

meh. They're all domesticated wolves (Canis lupus familiaris) to me. Pet ownership is juvenile. When I grew up I stopped wanting to possess cute and cuddly things. In this case it appears peoples desire to own a pet has resulted in babys being mauled to death. Fark it. Ban them all. If it saves a human life and eases the suffering of a dogs life, then I say it's worth it.


The world isn't black and white kid, not everyone goes shopping at the mall for a pet.
 
2012-05-09 03:14:49 PM  

jigger: Tentacle: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 480x640]


IMO, there is no such breed as "Pit Bull."


That's because there is no such breed as pit bull. The most common dogs that are called pit bulls for short are American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.
 
2012-05-09 03:15:38 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: If that dog would be included in a list of "pit bull attacks" it's only fair that it be included in "pit bull does good".


It's simple: pit bulls don't exist as a breed, unless you have one and it's awesome, or a pit bull does something good and it disproves the breed's reputation. But if a pit bull does something bad, you have to punish the deed and not the breed, and anyway, the breed doesn't really exist anyway.

Got it?
 
2012-05-09 03:16:59 PM  

Nick the What: Salt Lick Steady: Salt Lick Steady: Nick the What: So we are all in agreement that it's not pit bulls that kill people, it's people that kill people by pit bull killing? Good!

Now, what to do about people being killed by pit bulls.

Hmmm? I know! Let's post more anecdotes about pit bulls that did not kill anyone.

Lemme guess, you're from a cold state?

*checks profile*

Aaand blammo.

The reason you see what you want to see is because nigh 70% of the dogs down here are pit or pit mixes.

meh. They're all domesticated wolves (Canis lupus familiaris) to me. Pet ownership is juvenile. When I grew up I stopped wanting to possess cute and cuddly things. In this case it appears peoples desire to own a pet has resulted in babys being mauled to death. Fark it. Ban them all. If it saves a human life and eases the suffering of a dogs life, then I say it's worth it.


I'd rather live with a bunch of dogs than you, and I think most other people would too.

/Caring about stuff is so juvenile, I only contemplate and dismiss things since I am so grown up.
 
2012-05-09 03:19:30 PM  

Nick the What: Now, what to do about people being killed by people.

Hmmm? I know! Let's post more anecdotes about people that did not kill anyone.


FTFY

Homosapiens are demonstrated again and again to be far to aggressive and stupid to be trusted near small children and other defenseless animals.
 
2012-05-09 03:19:30 PM  

Petey the Headless Parakeet:

And I'm saying that being on a hair-trigger, regardless of the opponent (probably the terrier in them) is part of what cannot be completely overridden by training.

Of for Christ's sake! I know that! That is the EXACT point of my post. However, it only applies to animals that the dog would consider game; not human beings. That's why I said that no responsible pit bull owner can confidently say that their dog will definitely not attack another dog. I have trained my boy to be as good as possible with dogs and he gets along with my cocker spaniel great... but I don't let him play with most other dogs because I am only 80% sure it wouldn't be a problem, not 100%.


Who's the one that can't read? Regardless of the opponent == dogs AND people
 
2012-05-09 03:21:24 PM  

Petey the Headless Parakeet: jigger: Tentacle: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 480x640]


IMO, there is no such breed as "Pit Bull."

That's because there is no such breed as pit bull. The most common dogs that are called pit bulls for short are American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.


All the same "breed" to me.
 
2012-05-09 03:22:50 PM  
I know what you wrote but you are just wrong. They were bred originally (hence the genetics part) to be dog aggressive and human friendly. So the "regardless of opponent" part makes no sense because, genetically, the dogs don't see humans as opponents. You are as dumb as a sack of marbles.
 
2012-05-09 03:25:54 PM  

spidermilk: bikerbob59: iheartscotch: Good dog! I see the OMG it's a pitbull crowd is here. There's no such thing as a bad dog; there are only poorly trained and poorly socialized dogs. Both of which are the owner's responsibility to rectify when the dog is small. Also, certain breeds get a bad rap because of irresponsible owners. Any dog can rip your face off if it isn't properly trained and socialized.

I've always said there's no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners.

I agree that there is no such thing as a bad dog. Dogs don't have the same motivations that humans do- dogs don't have complex emotions that allow them to be conniving, vengeful, hateful, etc.

HOWEVER. I do believe that simply do to their genetics (or certain health problems) some dogs are dangerously aggressive and cannot be rehabilitated. Some people can care for these dogs and keep them and others safe (mostly by keeping the dog away from any strangers). The dog didn't chose to be bad, but due to genetic misfortune (or bad breeders) it has a temperament so fearful and aggressive that the dog is dangerous. It isn't always someone's fault, not all aggressive dogs are that way because a person made them that way, and not all dogs can be fixed even by dog training/behavior experts or even with meds.


Agreed. Kind of sounds like people also. By the way, my son has a rescue Pit - hound mix. Long and low......
 
2012-05-09 03:28:04 PM  

Ajanu: Nick the What: Salt Lick Steady: Salt Lick Steady: Nick the What: So we are all in agreement that it's not pit bulls that kill people, it's people that kill people by pit bull killing? Good!

Now, what to do about people being killed by pit bulls.

Hmmm? I know! Let's post more anecdotes about pit bulls that did not kill anyone.

Lemme guess, you're from a cold state?

*checks profile*

Aaand blammo.

The reason you see what you want to see is because nigh 70% of the dogs down here are pit or pit mixes.

meh. They're all domesticated wolves (Canis lupus familiaris) to me. Pet ownership is juvenile. When I grew up I stopped wanting to possess cute and cuddly things. In this case it appears peoples desire to own a pet has resulted in babys being mauled to death. Fark it. Ban them all. If it saves a human life and eases the suffering of a dogs life, then I say it's worth it.

I'd rather live with a bunch of dogs than you, and I think most other people would too.

/Caring about stuff is so juvenile, I only contemplate and dismiss things since I am so grown up.


Ottawa eh? So you kinda' do live with me.

Remember this last year? Here are 2 dogs you won't be living with anymore.

Pit bull kills small dog in south Ottawa
 
2012-05-09 03:30:09 PM  

Nick the What: Remember this last year?


Wooo boy! That is some Canadian evidence there. It happened once last year, eh!
 
2012-05-09 03:30:35 PM  

bk3k: 9beers: bk3k: Pits are only aggressive when they are TRAINED TO BE AGGRESSIVE. They are very trainable dogs, that's all. They do have a high bit of energy, but they are very sweet dogs by default.

The people who believe that "all pits are dangerous" are just ignorant, fearful people. Personally, I find ignorant, fearful people to be far more dangerous.

You're the ignorant one. Pits are aggressive by nature and have to be trained not to be.

I say they are nothing of the sort. How many of them have you owned? I have never seen a pit that I or anyone I know owns(which makes for a quite a few pits between us) that was aggressive. Unless by "aggressive" you mean energetic, playful, and affectionate? I have never seen a more loving breed of dogs.

Its telling how many of the "pits are dangerous" crowd have never had one. Its equally telling that the people who have actually had one or more(aka people with experience) are always pit defenders. I have never seen anyone say "I got a pit and that was a mistake."

But you have your assertion that - "Pits are aggressive by nature and have to be trained not to be." Just what proof/evidence do you have for this? I suspect none at all aside from your belief that this is "common sense." Or maybe you are going to have some stat that only tells the gross total of pit bites and totally ignores such things as -
1. How many total pits are owned and thus how very insignificantly low the ratio really is.
2. How many of those offending pits where TRAINED to be aggressive by ghetto assholes who love dog fights.
3. That you have plenty of bites from EVERY BREED. Of course pits bite a bit harder than many, thus causing more damage(more likely requiring medical care) and therefore being more likely to have been reported than a chiwawa bite(which you will probably laugh off).

I suggest you do your homework. Then I won't call you ignorant(one would suspect that you finally won't be).

I am curious if you think Labs are dange ...


And you don't think that's pertinent? So even if you forgo the "aggressive by nature" argument, then ability to do harm is the next line item in what makes something dangerous.

That's roughly akin to "Just as many people get shot by nerf guns, they just don't die like with automatic weapons."
 
2012-05-09 03:32:35 PM  

Tentacle: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

Lots of dog park "experts" tell me my dog is a pitbull (of the AmStaff kind).

The shelter said he was a Boston Terrier / English Bulldog mix.

Four separate vets at two different clinics said he was a Boxer mix.

Weighted 35 pounds when I adopted him last September, and allegedly 2 years old.

Is now 50+ lbs.

Anyone have better theories?


I'm seeing a boxer head and the blue brindling/white seen on some Staffordshires. Perhaps a Boxer/Staffie mix?

You can actually get your dog genetically checked. Google for a company called Canine Heritage. Costs sixty bucks on that website. You cheekswab your dog with their kit and they send you a percentage rundown of whats in your dog.

Will settle any arguments, if nothing else!
 
2012-05-09 03:35:25 PM  

danfrank: Degenz: But the story reminds me of a new law out of Virginia (I think) designating pit bulls and rotweillors as dangerous after some kids got mauled.

If there is such a law, it's new. I used to live next to pit bulls in VA. Idiot owners, dogs escaped constantly and barked/snarled at me and my young sons.

The law at the time was that a dog, of any breed, cannot be deemed "dangerous" until after it bites someone. So despite threatening behavior and negligent owners, it basically had to maul someone before anything could be done. There wouldn't have been a "bite", it would have been a mauling. Thank god they moved.

/dog lover
//considered rat poison in hamburger meat for those monsters


I just caught a little bit of the story on CNN last week and honestly wasn't paying that much attention. It could have been in Maryland, I don't know. It's sad people will do such things to what are mostly beautiful creatures.
 
2012-05-09 03:39:39 PM  

Degenz: danfrank: Degenz: But the story reminds me of a new law out of Virginia (I think) designating pit bulls and rotweillors as dangerous after some kids got mauled.

If there is such a law, it's new. I used to live next to pit bulls in VA. Idiot owners, dogs escaped constantly and barked/snarled at me and my young sons.

The law at the time was that a dog, of any breed, cannot be deemed "dangerous" until after it bites someone. So despite threatening behavior and negligent owners, it basically had to maul someone before anything could be done. There wouldn't have been a "bite", it would have been a mauling. Thank god they moved.

/dog lover
//considered rat poison in hamburger meat for those monsters

I just caught a little bit of the story on CNN last week and honestly wasn't paying that much attention. It could have been in Maryland, I don't know. It's sad people will do such things to what are mostly beautiful creatures.


My coworker is from Boon, NC, and after her dog (black lab) got out and killed one of his chickens, she offered him a hydrangea. Which he took. But she was really worried about poisoned meat for a while.

Why yes I live in the South, why do you ask?
 
2012-05-09 03:39:54 PM  
Once and for all arsehole neighbors....If I have to put up with listening to your lonely, untrained barking arse dog, I should at least get to take the damn thing jogging and to the park.

//not the chihuahua though, that thing needs to be fired into the sun.
 
2012-05-09 03:40:24 PM  
In L.A. I was one of the few foster that would work with Pit Bulls and after taking in and working with 10 pits and pit mixes, the ONLY one I had a problem with came out of a fighting ring.

Last September, someone dumped this little girl in the woods near my apartment complex.

i992.photobucket.com

She was so scared of people no one could get near her for four months. I fed her, but she would not let me get near her either. She finally got so lonely, she began to follow me and my first dog though our hour-long morning walk. Then they began to play together. There was one brief tussle where my boxer mix established her dominance and that was it. (The entire time she has shown no aggression and has been incredibly patient my excitable boxer.) After a couple weeks of this at the end of January, I was finally able to get a leash around her and get her inside. Just in time too as she was unspayed and going into heat.

She was so timid that unless we were going out, she stayed in one spot at the foot of my bed for hours at a time. I mean all day. For months!. She is *just* starting to come out into the front room to join my dog or come into the study to join me. And to this day, she has never even tried to bark. Beyond a few happy grunts when she is being petted, she is completely silent

Someone farked this dog up, so don't farking tell me it's the breed.

Yes, Pit Bulls are a dominant breed (not "aggressive," any dog can be aggressive, Pits, Rotties, Akitas, Chows, Ridgebacks, etc. are dominant) and not for inexperienced dog owner, but I have encountered shiat-Zu's *far* more aggressive than any Pit Bull I have ever worked with, including the one that came out of the fighting ring.

The problem is when the AKC dropped the APBT as a registered breed, the breed suddenly became affordable to people who should never have dogs in the first place. Someone drops $1000 - 1800$ on a Rottweiler puppy, they are going to take care of their investment. Someone throws fifty bucks at a backyard breeder for a Pit, they probably don't know shiat and they are not going have the same investment in the dog.

If you ban pits today, the same farkwitz who farked up these dogs now will just pick or create a new breed to fark up in order to extend their penises.
 
2012-05-09 03:40:35 PM  
I'm amused that out of everything I originally said, the most discussion generated was regarding jack russell terriers.

Re: Anecdotal nice ones- sure, that's my whole point. I'm certain there are JRs out there that love to cuddle and play nice, but I haven't met them.

And because people are posting their pups
i830.photobucket.com

Sadie on the left, Kirby on the right. (Or Doo-Bear and Toob, as they've come to be known.)
 
2012-05-09 03:40:51 PM  

Ringshadow:
You can actually get your dog genetically checked. Google for a company called Canine Heritage. Costs sixty bucks on that website. You cheekswab your dog with their kit and they send you a percentage rundown of whats in your dog.



That is actually a good site to know. Thanks for the info! I didn't realize it was so cheap, I was figuring hundreds of dollars so never even considered it for any of my dogs.
 
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