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2012-05-09 12:54:42 PM
Good dog! I see the OMG it's a pitbull crowd is here. There's no such thing as a bad dog; there are only poorly trained and poorly socialized dogs. Both of which are the owner's responsibility to rectify when the dog is small. Also, certain breeds get a bad rap because of irresponsible owners. Any dog can rip your face off if it isn't properly trained and socialized.
 
2012-05-09 12:55:13 PM
Yeah! Pit thread.

/PIP
 
2012-05-09 12:55:28 PM

gilgigamesh: Obviously this is the rare exception where its a dog that did something good rather than ripping a baby's face off.


Pits are a breed that, despite it's reputation, does a lot of good, along with the still rare bad. A well bred, well raised and socialized pit bull is going to be a joy, and is more likely to save your life than take it.

The problem comes in when you get dog breeders who don't know or care about jack and produce inbred puppies who are then bought by inbred people who don't raise and socialize them right.

kiyote: It's the dog, not the owner, a Pomeranian killed a baby 20 years ago, punish the deed, blah blah blah.


*reads the article* - It's the owner; about the only dog I'd leave around a toddler would be a 6+ year old female who's had puppies, but not lately, and has been observed over her life for any signs of improper aggression, how she acts around babies, and has been with the child under supervision for years.
 
2012-05-09 12:56:10 PM

grinding_journalist: Look at that! A good owner that raised a good dog.

While I believe that the owner has far, far more to do with a dog's behavior than the breed, (I'm thinking 90/10) I refuse to believe that the breed has NOTHING to do with the temperament of any canine.

To reiterate, since I know someone will holler about good/bad breeds: The owner/trainer/raiser has overwhelmingly the greatest effect on a dog's disposition- but to imply or say that the breed has NOTHING to do with it suggests that you've never owned or raised dogs.

/all jack russell terriers are assholes
//every. single. one.


You haven't met Rosie. When my brother-in-laws rescued her she didn't even know how to play. Spent the first 7 yrs. in a cage for breeding. Sweetest pup in the world. Their other Jack, Freddie? He's an asshole.
 
2012-05-09 12:56:20 PM

grinding_journalist: Look at that! A good owner that raised a good dog.

While I believe that the owner has far, far more to do with a dog's behavior than the breed, (I'm thinking 90/10) I refuse to believe that the breed has NOTHING to do with the temperament of any canine.

/all jack russell terriers are assholes
//every. single. one.


I would agree with your first statement to a degree. It is still people that are breeding out the good things of pitbulls and breeding in the bad traits. Back in the 1940s people did the exact same thing with Dobermans. It wasn't until the mid 70s where a group of Doberman lovers decided they were getting too bad of a rap and started breeding the bad traits back out of the Doberman. Until some group does that to pitbulls and until we get this thug image of pitbulls out of our society we will still continue to see people being hurt by these dogs. It is a shame, pitbulls are wonderful dogs who are very loyal. My 65 pound pitbull thinks she is a lap dog and the only attack you will get is her sloberingly licking you!

I whole heartily agree with your last statement.

My Miss Bela gives a big paw up to Lilly!

arizonageek.smugmug.com
 
2012-05-09 12:56:34 PM

grinding_journalist: Look at that! A good owner that raised a good dog.

While I believe that the owner has far, far more to do with a dog's behavior than the breed, (I'm thinking 90/10) I refuse to believe that the breed has NOTHING to do with the temperament of any canine.

To reiterate, since I know someone will holler about good/bad breeds: The owner/trainer/raiser has overwhelmingly the greatest effect on a dog's disposition- but to imply or say that the breed has NOTHING to do with it suggests that you've never owned or raised dogs.

/all jack russell terriers are assholes
//every. single. one.


Clicky!

Different breeds of dogs, bred for different purposes, have differing needs and temperaments.

However, all dog breeds can be adequately trained to behave well. Dogs are a completely domesticated animal species.
 
2012-05-09 12:57:13 PM
The trick will be, if the dog does it again when this farking drunk decides to take a nap on the tracks.
 
2012-05-09 12:57:20 PM
I've never tested this theory, but I am fairly certain my Shepherd mix (we adopted him 6 years ago) would get distracted by a patch of grass and leave me to die on the tracks. I love him anyway.

So does my toddler, who spent her morning hugging and kissing him after giving him his treats. He's a good boy.
 
2012-05-09 12:57:22 PM
An alcoholic in Boston? Surely not!
 
2012-05-09 12:57:30 PM
That's nice for the owner and all, but she should still keep that dog far away from anyone she loves.
 
2012-05-09 12:57:32 PM

grinding_journalist: /all jack russell terriers are assholes
//every. single. one.


There's a Jack Russell that often runs loose in my neighborhood. I'll be outside grilling and he'll walk down up my driveway, look me dead in the eye and piss on my car. He has a really muscular chest and legs, so I think of him as one of the bully football players from high school. I imagine the dog staring at me thinking, "What are you going to do about it, pussy?" and when he turns away, "That's what I thought, f*ggot."
 
2012-05-09 12:57:42 PM

This Looks Fun: Cagey B: What is this person doing passed out unconscious on the train tracks at midnight?

Classic case of pit-bull endangering owners by needing to be walked.

Wouldn't have happened if he had a labrador.


Disagree. Augie, my Lab mix (passed on) said my only purpose in life was to take him for walks. And hikes, rides in the car, trips to the beach and feed him.
I doubt he would have pulled me off the tracks. He was scared of trains.
 
2012-05-09 12:57:54 PM
Truly ignorant dog owners are attracted to pit bulls. Sucks for the breed, but that's the way it is.

/you can't ban a breed
//on the other hand, the fine for an unlicensed dangerous dog breed should be very high
 
2012-05-09 12:58:01 PM

9beers: I saw a picture of Nazis playing with a kitten, guess that means they weren't so bad after all. Probably just a few bad apples.


I dunno, I still think they are pure evil incarnate.

Some of the Nazis were were bastards too.
 
2012-05-09 12:58:18 PM
A cat won't save your life, but you can have the best cat in the world and still only need to pay attention to it for maybe 10 minutes a day. ROI is a lot higher.
 
2012-05-09 12:59:54 PM
So no one else noticed this was a policewoman passed out drunk on the train tracks?
 
2012-05-09 12:59:57 PM
The most vicious dog that ever attacked me was a schnauzer. I kept screaming "I'm not a Jew" but he didn't care and continued to bite my ass. The dog also stole my shoes after I was down on the ground.

That's a scary dog when you are 6years old.
 
2012-05-09 01:00:48 PM
csb

Used to help out at the animal shelter in Phoenix. I'd say 80% or more of the dogs in there were pits. So sad.
 
2012-05-09 01:01:11 PM

unchellmatt: Now I ask you, would a cat do this? I don't THINK so.


A cat would see your dumb drunk ass laying down in front of a train and walk away instead of ruining a perfectly good suicide attempt.
 
2012-05-09 01:01:13 PM

randroid: A cat won't save your life, but you can have the best cat in the world and still only need to pay attention to it for maybe 10 minutes a day. ROI is a lot higher.


Cats save peoples lives as much if not more than dogs.

And you have to earn a cats affection, dogs just follow you because they're pack animals and you're bigger.
 
2012-05-09 01:02:14 PM

Ringshadow: [www.history.com image 600x300]

Sgt Stubby approves.

And I love people who are ignorant about dog breeds and support breed bans.

My parents own English Mastiffs. Their neighboring county has banned pit bulls, staffordshires, bulldogs, and yes, mastiffs, among others. But did they ban Rhodesian Ridgebacks, or Cane Corsos, or Chow Chows? Nope.

The reason why "pit bull" bite cases are so sensationalized is because of their bite strength. They are NOT an easy to own dog. These animals are STRONG ALPHA and STUBBORN. You have to be a very, VERY good dog owner and VERY on your game to train such an animal correctly. By itself this isn't a bad thing, a lot of dogs are like this. Old English Bulldogs, for example, and dalmatians also suffer from being bullheaded. But what this means is, absolute idiots who aren't hardass enough get a dog that they can't control and then shock happens when the dog goes out of control.

Do not get a dog unless you know how to own a dog. Do not get a stubborn dog unless you are very, very good at dogs. Do your research. Any dog can be a potential hazard, any dog can carry rabies. But any dog can be a great pet to if you know how to handle them.

Know what dogs have always gone after me? Shelties, and chihuahuas.

/but seriously who in their right mind bans a mastiff?
//my parents mastiffs have all been afraid of my guinea pigs, for crying out loud


Ridgebacks? Why? I've never met a mean Ridgeback, ever... and that includes one who SHOULD have been mean, as she'd been chained outside her whole life with nearly no human contact. Or is this one of those 'scary LOOKING' type bans you're speaking of?

/never met a mean mastiff either
//only mean pitts I've met had crap owners
 
2012-05-09 01:02:45 PM
It's the owner not the dog, however pit bulls still account for 38% of all fatal bites by dogs -- too bad there are so many bad owners out there that train these dogs to be tough and killers or they just don't put in enough effort. The next highest % of fatal bites was rottweilers with I believe 17-18%. Same deal, bad owners.
 
2012-05-09 01:03:10 PM

grinding_journalist: Look at that! A good owner that raised a good dog.

While I believe that the owner has far, far more to do with a dog's behavior than the breed, (I'm thinking 90/10) I refuse to believe that the breed has NOTHING to do with the temperament of any canine.

To reiterate, since I know someone will holler about good/bad breeds: The owner/trainer/raiser has overwhelmingly the greatest effect on a dog's disposition- but to imply or say that the breed has NOTHING to do with it suggests that you've never owned or raised dogs.

/all jack russell terriers are assholes
//every. single. one.


Had a Jack Russell / beagle mix that was an excellent dog (but difficult to own--too smart for his own good sometimes), but other than him, I agree with this completely.

Mom has a fat old one at home. Grumpy little shiat. He'll jump up and just sit on my cat if he wants that spot, and then snarl at the cat if the cat moves out of the way too aggressively.

The video made me tear up a bit. Especially the dog laying there crying after they touched where she lost her leg, and snuggling up to that guy.
 
2012-05-09 01:03:33 PM
It doesn't change the fact that the pit bit the owner. Wether she was dragged off the tracks or not, she still probably has bite damage. I'd be willing to bet the dog was just trying to drag her away to its lair, so she could be devoured at leasure, and the stupid agressive dog saw the coming train as a potential threat to it's diner, and so challenged the train. The dog needs to be put down.

/too obvious to be considered trollin'.
//trollin'
///trollin' on the river ♪
 
2012-05-09 01:03:36 PM
Well subby, as we all know, anecdotal evidence is the best indicator all of future events, so thanks for ending any further discussion on the pit bull safety.
 
2012-05-09 01:04:39 PM

Banacek: csb

Used to help out at the animal shelter in Phoenix. I'd say 80% or more of the dogs in there were pits. So sad.


This. Pits are really great dogs: smart, sweet, loyal and very trainable but because they're a very powerful breed and a "fighting dog" there's an unusual number of douchbags that abuse them.
 
2012-05-09 01:04:45 PM
While I believe that the owner has far, far more to do with a dog's behavior than the breed, (I'm thinking 90/10) I refuse to believe that the breed has NOTHING to do with the temperament of any canine.

This
Also, it isn't just good owner/bad owner (thought there are plenty of those) it also has to do with how good the match is between the dog's needs and what the owner can/will provide. People like smart dogs, but smart dogs get bored easily and will find things to do if the owner does not have the time or resources to keep them busy. Some people want a dog that will protect the home and family, but have a lot of traffic through the house and can't find a way to let it know which are good and which are bad people. The dog is not psychic. If you are going to get a dog, do the homework and find out what breeds fit your lifestyle.

also, did the really loud autoplay car ad piss anyone else off? Those things should be illegal.
/works in a really quiet office
 
2012-05-09 01:04:50 PM

Mr.Poops: too bad there are so many bad owners out there that train these dogs to be tough and killers


That's the very reason people buy dogs like pitbulls.
 
2012-05-09 01:05:14 PM

safeforwork: //only mean pitts I've met had crap owners


And that's the problem. The pit bull is the breed du jour of crappy owners. Used to be bulldogs, that's why so many were made college mascots back in the day. You have to assume pit bulls are bad these days if you don't know the owner because so many crappy owners are getting them.
 
2012-05-09 01:06:28 PM

iheartscotch: Good dog! I see the OMG it's a pitbull crowd is here. There's no such thing as a bad dog; there are only poorly trained and poorly socialized dogs. Both of which are the owner's responsibility to rectify when the dog is small. Also, certain breeds get a bad rap because of irresponsible owners. Any dog can rip your face off if it isn't properly trained and socialized.


i1136.photobucket.com

Haters gonna hate.
 
kab
2012-05-09 01:06:39 PM

way south: Is subby suggesting the media likes to sensationalize shiat that isn't true?


But it is true. All pit bulls are face rippers, no matter how they're raised.

Just ask the internet, it'll tell ya.
 
2012-05-09 01:07:46 PM

namegoeshere: Train kicked up a bit of dust, didn't it?

Good doggie.


A lot of dust
 
2012-05-09 01:07:48 PM
Subby, please warn people about autoplay video.
 
2012-05-09 01:07:57 PM
i758.photobucket.comi758.photobucket.com

/Pure bred Am Staff
//My Dollie
 
2012-05-09 01:08:26 PM
They should post a picture of the owner, with name and address underneath, under anything listed as a "pit bull attack". The blame for such things falls squarely on the owner. Any powerful/mid-sized/large animal that is not properly socialized can be exceptionally dangerous. Any such dog that has a douchebag owner who has trained that dog to be aggressive for kicks and giggles or misguided machismo is definitely dangerous. I consider the owners who do that kind of thing even more dangerous than the dog in some ways. I've owned pits and pit crosses in the past and they are loyal, loving dogs when properly trained and socialized in the same way you should train and socialize any other dog.

/has been bit by "lap dogs" a couple times in the past, but never by a pit or pit cross
 
2012-05-09 01:08:49 PM

Ringshadow: [www.history.com image 600x300]

Sgt Stubby approves.

And I love people who are ignorant about dog breeds and support breed bans.

My parents own English Mastiffs. Their neighboring county has banned pit bulls, staffordshires, bulldogs, and yes, mastiffs, among others. But did they ban Rhodesian Ridgebacks, or Cane Corsos, or Chow Chows? Nope.

The reason why "pit bull" bite cases are so sensationalized is because of their bite strength. They are NOT an easy to own dog. These animals are STRONG ALPHA and STUBBORN. You have to be a very, VERY good dog owner and VERY on your game to train such an animal correctly. By itself this isn't a bad thing, a lot of dogs are like this. Old English Bulldogs, for example, and dalmatians also suffer from being bullheaded. But what this means is, absolute idiots who aren't hardass enough get a dog that they can't control and then shock happens when the dog goes out of control.

Do not get a dog unless you know how to own a dog. Do not get a stubborn dog unless you are very, very good at dogs. Do your research. Any dog can be a potential hazard, any dog can carry rabies. But any dog can be a great pet to if you know how to handle them.

Know what dogs have always gone after me? Shelties, and chihuahuas.

/but seriously who in their right mind bans a mastiff?
//my parents mastiffs have all been afraid of my guinea pigs, for crying out loud


We are lucky enough to have a mastiff living next door and he's the sweetest dog!

/schnauzer owner
//get back to your yard or I'll yap you to death
 
2012-05-09 01:08:49 PM
CSB: in the 80s I had a serious car accident that nearly killed me - laid me up in the hospital for over a month. When I got out I was broke and had no transportation and had to walk to the bus stop to make my physical therapy treatments twice a week. Some dick had a horde of mutts he kept lingering out in front of his house for security and they attacked me when I walked down the sidewalk.

They weren't especially big dogs but there were three of them and I was recovering from collapsed lungs and broken ribs and multiple surgeries - it scared the living shiat out of me and only made a bad case of PTSD worse. The thing is they were just following their instincts and saw I was vulnerable, that's what dogs do.

You'd think I would hate dogs but I don't. What I learned from that experience is that the most vicious dogs are only lethal if you show fear. They might bite you, but like bears, if you keep your cool you can get through an attack.

Stupid farking dog owners, on the other hand, should be euthanized.
 
2012-05-09 01:11:54 PM

SlothB77: ginandbacon: OMG STOP! *sob*

Also, is he single?

he looks like ray liotta.


But does he smell like apples?
 
2012-05-09 01:12:11 PM

DumbAmerican: grinding_journalist: Look at that! A good owner that raised a good dog.

While I believe that the owner has far, far more to do with a dog's behavior than the breed, (I'm thinking 90/10) I refuse to believe that the breed has NOTHING to do with the temperament of any canine.

/all jack russell terriers are assholes
//every. single. one.

I would agree with your first statement to a degree. It is still people that are breeding out the good things of pitbulls and breeding in the bad traits. Back in the 1940s people did the exact same thing with Dobermans. It wasn't until the mid 70s where a group of Doberman lovers decided they were getting too bad of a rap and started breeding the bad traits back out of the Doberman. Until some group does that to pitbulls and until we get this thug image of pitbulls out of our society we will still continue to see people being hurt by these dogs. It is a shame, pitbulls are wonderful dogs who are very loyal. My 65 pound pitbull thinks she is a lap dog and the only attack you will get is her sloberingly licking you!

I whole heartily agree with your last statement.

My Miss Bela gives a big paw up to Lilly!

[arizonageek.smugmug.com image 405x450]


What you, and most other dog lovers, always seem to forget / ignore is that a dog's behavior is socially influenced. For someone, like myself, that was the victim of a dog attack at a very young age it is not a conscious response. I am *TERRIFIED* of dogs. ALL of them. The problem with Pits, and many other breeds, is that as soon as they sense my response they become aggressive. This is not something I can be conditioned out of. My wife and I owned a large dog. I can get used to animals that I live with... for years. But even after 11 years living with a Lab without a single aggressive bone in his body I still had moments of apprehension with the dog.

So, with me, because of *my* reaction, normally docile dogs will become aggressive because they sense the fear being expressed by my body language. It is disingenuous to declare that it's not the dog. It is, for me, always about the dog and I would refute *any* argument that the breed does not influence the level and severity of the response on the part of the dog.
 
2012-05-09 01:12:19 PM
I love these just kidding headlines.

j/k
 
2012-05-09 01:12:37 PM

Degenz: Fell asleep on train tracks? Just proves the point that it's not pit bulls who are the problem, it's their dumb ass human companions.


Kind of what I was thinking. Great story of a brave and loyal dog and all, but (FTFA):

David Lanteigne has adored this pit bull since recuing Lilly from a shelter to be a companion for his mom who suffers from alcoholism.

Lilly is a service dog for alcoholism. :D Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are.
 
2012-05-09 01:13:24 PM
files.dogster.com

My Dad flipped when he heard we had adopted a dog that was half German Shepherd, telling me I had bad judgment, etc. We went to the rescue (Home at Last) and visited with many dogs. We weighed each one carefully for multiple factors and Pong had the best personality out of all of them. He's 7 months old now and is super intelligent, thanks to the German Shepherd in him, extremely loyal to his family and our friends, and although cautious about strangers, quickly learns to hang with them once he takes his cue from me that they're guests and not intruders. I love him to pieces.

The coonhound side of him needed companionship, so we adopted Dig Dug, a Lab/Beagle mix, just a few months afterwards. Pong took to him immediately and the two are like peas in a pod. You'd think they were from the same litter because they're so close. :) "Awwwww-inspiring" pic of the two below.

files.dogster.com

Dog ownership is rewarding, but like with raising children, you have to put some frickin' effort into it!
 
2012-05-09 01:15:06 PM

Ringshadow: Do not get a dog unless you know how to own a dog.


So much "THIS" I'm gonna have to go to the "THIS" store and re-stock.

But that's one of the many great things about adopting from a good animal shelter. They screen potential adopters before pairing them with an animal to avoid bad situations.
 
2012-05-09 01:15:45 PM

Ringshadow: [www.history.com image 600x300]

Sgt Stubby approves.

And I love people who are ignorant about dog breeds and support breed bans.

My parents own English Mastiffs. Their neighboring county has banned pit bulls, staffordshires, bulldogs, and yes, mastiffs, among others. But did they ban Rhodesian Ridgebacks, or Cane Corsos, or Chow Chows? Nope.

The reason why "pit bull" bite cases are so sensationalized is because of their bite strength. They are NOT an easy to own dog. These animals are STRONG ALPHA and STUBBORN. You have to be a very, VERY good dog owner and VERY on your game to train such an animal correctly. By itself this isn't a bad thing, a lot of dogs are like this. Old English Bulldogs, for example, and dalmatians also suffer from being bullheaded. But what this means is, absolute idiots who aren't hardass enough get a dog that they can't control and then shock happens when the dog goes out of control.

Do not get a dog unless you know how to own a dog. Do not get a stubborn dog unless you are very, very good at dogs. Do your research. Any dog can be a potential hazard, any dog can carry rabies. But any dog can be a great pet to if you know how to handle them.

Know what dogs have always gone after me? Shelties, and chihuahuas.

/but seriously who in their right mind bans a mastiff?
//my parents mastiffs have all been afraid of my guinea pigs, for crying out loud


Sweet looking pup, right there. And so much of THIS...we suspect one of ours is part Pit or some similar looking breed, mixed with GSD but, in that manner his is VERY willful and needs a firm hand, plus he's in his teenage years. But he's a sweetheart, in the end, and we've also got a black lab that's very zen and tempers him.


i91.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-09 01:16:04 PM

unchellmatt: Now I ask you, would a cat do this? I don't THINK so.


The cat would push you in front of a train.
 
2012-05-09 01:16:44 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Ringshadow: Do not get a dog unless you know how to own a dog.

So much "THIS" I'm gonna have to go to the "THIS" store and re-stock.

But that's one of the many great things about adopting from a good animal shelter. They screen potential adopters before pairing them with an animal to avoid bad situations.


and again

/+1 internets for both of you
 
2012-05-09 01:17:12 PM

safeforwork: Ridgebacks? Why? I've never met a mean Ridgeback, ever... and that includes one who SHOULD have been mean, as she'd been chained outside her whole life with nearly no human contact. Or is this one of those 'scary LOOKING' type bans you're speaking of?

/never met a mean mastiff either
//only mean pitts I've met had crap owners


What I mean is, if you're gunning for assertive breeds, how do you miss some, then ban some that aren't assertive at all, like the mastiff? Ridgebacks CAN be assertive dogs, as far as I know, though not nearly like the Cane Corso. I guess it's a "bang for your buck" argument where they're banning popular breeds, but frankly the Mastiff isn't exactly common either.

Basically what I'm asserting here is the ban laws are nonsensical.

hbomb1129: We are lucky enough to have a mastiff living next door and he's the sweetest dog!

/schnauzer owner
//get back to your yard or I'll yap you to death


They're very sweet dogs but I recommend having a handtowel with you if you're spending a lot of time with one.

/enough drool to fill several buckets
 
2012-05-09 01:17:34 PM
So no one else noticed this was a policewoman passed out drunk on the train tracks?

It was the mother of a cop, she wan't a cop herself.

But it is true. All pit bulls are face rippers, no matter how they're raised.
Just ask the internet, it'll tell ya.


lol, yup.
My sister had a room mate bring a stray dog home he found in a nearby park. It was a pit that had been badly mistreated. They figured that whoever had her before was trying to make her into a fighting dog, but she was so good natured that it couldn't be done. That dog was afraid of everyone but my sister.
 
2012-05-09 01:17:45 PM

Cagey B: What is this person doing passed out unconscious on the train tracks at midnight?


Mom was out drunk on the tracks with her doggie.

FTFA:

....rescuing Lilly from a shelter to be a companion for his mom who suffers from alcoholism.

It was midnight last Wednesday when his mom fell unconscious on train tracks in Shirley.
 
2012-05-09 01:18:00 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Cats save peoples lives as much if not more than dogs.


Citation please. Not that I believe there are "Human lives saved by animals" stats out there...But how many seeing eye cats have you seen recently? Those types of working dogs arguably save their owners life several times a day.

While cats may provide companionship, they don't do anything equivalent to what a guide dog does. Plus, dogs provide companionship too.
 
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