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2012-05-09 08:22:50 AM  
They made an Avengers movie?
 
2012-05-09 08:25:24 AM  
Will this one have Edward Norton?
 
2012-05-09 08:28:50 AM  
I'm surprised they waited a few more days.
 
2012-05-09 08:29:16 AM  
Will there be two relevant post-credit sequences and two irrelevant ones?
 
2012-05-09 08:29:27 AM  
That movie was awful!!! The special effects were way WAY below my standards. I could do stuff like that on my computer at home!!! Also, the acting was HORRIBLE!!! I can't believe that people are actually watching this movie, it is just a polished turd!!!

laughingsquid.com
 
2012-05-09 08:30:50 AM  
Are they setting it up for Hulk to be the "bad guy" in the future?
 
2012-05-09 08:31:51 AM  
Where did you guys dig this up? The government's "No shiat, Sherlock!" Department?

They're making an Avengers sequel. In related news, water is wet, grass is green and fire is really farking hot!
 
2012-05-09 08:33:26 AM  
cf.badassdigest.com
 
2012-05-09 08:33:32 AM  

Gunny Highway: Are they setting it up for Hulk to be the "bad guy" in the future?


Future motherfarking Imperfect, biatches!!
 
2012-05-09 08:37:21 AM  

SchlingFocker: Gunny Highway: Are they setting it up for Hulk to be the "bad guy" in the future?

Future motherfarking Imperfect, biatches!!


The TNG episode or the tense?

/not a scholar
 
2012-05-09 08:41:18 AM  
I hope they dont nerf thor again... that was the only bad thing about the avengers flick... other then that it was super fantastic...
 
2012-05-09 08:43:02 AM  
Shwarma.. never heard of it before this movie, but after looking it up, it sounds good..
 
2012-05-09 08:43:51 AM  
Ruffalo owned the Hulk.
 
2012-05-09 08:45:22 AM  
People! PEOPLE!

I think we're really losing sight of what's important here, shawarma:

www.saltshaker.net

Also, best shawarma in Houston:

static.culturemap.com

/Mmmmmm...shawarma
 
2012-05-09 08:53:11 AM  
Not unexpected, but I was hoping they might squeeze in a couple more origin movies for a couple other characters and then bring them in as additions for Avengers 2.

But this is Hollywood, you got the ride while the tide is high.
 
2012-05-09 08:53:36 AM  
Flying monkeys
 
2012-05-09 08:54:07 AM  

Cndn Bacon: People! PEOPLE!

I think we're really losing sight of what's important here, shawarma:

[www.saltshaker.net image 480x360]

Also, best shawarma in Houston:

[static.culturemap.com image 350x263]

/Mmmmmm...shawarma


Moments like that make me love Tony Stark and Joss Whedons humor.
 
2012-05-09 08:54:13 AM  
If Wesley is playin Thanos, will Willow be Death?
 
2012-05-09 08:54:36 AM  
From a random Google search:
Gyro is the Greek word, Doner is the Turkish word and Schwarma is the Arabic word. They all describe the same preparation: some kind of meat spit roasted. The type of meat depends on the region, for example pork is the favorite in Greece, but you won't find pork Doner or Schwarma. Lamb, beef and chicken are common across all 3. I know it seems confusing but if you just think about it as ways to describe the same meat preparation in different languages then its easier. Also, some gyro/schwarma/doner is with ground meat but this is usually the inferior stuff, look for the real stuff which is spit roasted chunks of meat. If you are looking for pork or chicken, BZ Grill in Astoria is amazing.

I adore Doners, so I would adore schwarma.
 
2012-05-09 08:57:04 AM  
I'm actually surprised it took this long. Usually when a movie is on target to be as large as this one ism the sequel gets greenlit before the first even hits theaters.
 
2012-05-09 08:59:12 AM  

Slives: Not unexpected, but I was hoping they might squeeze in a couple more origin movies for a couple other characters and then bring them in as additions for Avengers 2.

But this is Hollywood, you got the ride while the tide is high.


They probably will. I imagine retaining the services of Downey, Ruffalo, Scarlett, Evans and the rest will only get more expensive. I would not be surprised to see a few characters make their way in to replace, say, Black Widow and Hawkeye. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they took Iron Man out. The obvious choices to put in would be Wasp and Ant-Man. Maybe even Ms. Marvel.
 
2012-05-09 09:03:31 AM  
I'm only interested if Joss Whedon is directing it.
 
2012-05-09 09:11:47 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: I'm only interested if Joss Whedon is directing it.


I doubt Disney would be stupid enough to replace him.
 
2012-05-09 09:12:05 AM  
Marvel is notoriously cheap on directors. Don't be surprised if they don't wanna pay Joss .0001% of total gross and make him a billionaire.

That's what scares me most.
 
2012-05-09 09:13:08 AM  

mlkmandan: If Wesley is playin Thanos, will Willow be Death?


Alexis Denisov didn't voice Thanos, he voiced the underling or go-between Chitauri guy (credited as The Other). In any case I second your notion
 
2012-05-09 09:13:28 AM  
I just want Coulson back. It's a Superhero franchise, people coming back from the dead isn't that far fetched.

Someone came up with the theory that Coulson wasn't Human but actually the Vision. Coulson had no blood family, no wife/husband or kids. His background besides being an adorable fanboy and a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent is unknown. And the fact that Fury said, "They took my one good eye" could be a hint to Coulson was/is the "Vision" as well as Fury saying that "Coulson is down" rather than "dead." could mean that Coulson is not a flesh and blood Human.

Okay, I have my fingers cross because this is Whedon and I can see him doing this.
 
2012-05-09 09:14:46 AM  

lacydog: They probably will. I imagine retaining the services of Downey, Ruffalo, Scarlett, Evans and the rest will only get more expensive. I would not be surprised to see a few characters make their way in to replace, say, Black Widow and Hawkeye. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they took Iron Man out. The obvious choices to put in would be Wasp and Ant-Man. Maybe even Ms. Marvel.


I may be mistaken, but I believe in ensemble cast situations like this, actors often bypass salary increases in exchange for box office percentages, royalties and other forms of revenue that end up being more profitable in the end.

Damn fine movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Will watch again. Even the wife, more of a "period drama" kind of person, had a good time.
 
2012-05-09 09:17:28 AM  

mekki: I just want Coulson back. It's a Superhero franchise, people coming back from the dead isn't that far fetched.

Someone came up with the theory that Coulson wasn't Human but actually the Vision. Coulson had no blood family, no wife/husband or kids. His background besides being an adorable fanboy and a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent is unknown. And the fact that Fury said, "They took my one good eye" could be a hint to Coulson was/is the "Vision" as well as Fury saying that "Coulson is down" rather than "dead." could mean that Coulson is not a flesh and blood Human.

Okay, I have my fingers cross because this is Whedon and I can see him doing this.


He's going to be in Iron Man 3.
 
2012-05-09 09:17:38 AM  

Expolaris: Moments like that make me love Tony Stark and Joss Whedons humor.


Heh, I haven't seen the movie yet and had no idea there was actually any shawarma in it...I just love shawarma.
 
2012-05-09 09:17:58 AM  

Zerochance: lacydog: They probably will. I imagine retaining the services of Downey, Ruffalo, Scarlett, Evans and the rest will only get more expensive. I would not be surprised to see a few characters make their way in to replace, say, Black Widow and Hawkeye. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they took Iron Man out. The obvious choices to put in would be Wasp and Ant-Man. Maybe even Ms. Marvel.

I may be mistaken, but I believe in ensemble cast situations like this, actors often bypass salary increases in exchange for box office percentages, royalties and other forms of revenue that end up being more profitable in the end.

Damn fine movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Will watch again. Even the wife, more of a "period drama" kind of person, had a good time.


Weren't they all signed to 6+ movie deals? Wouldn't the details for future movies already be in their contracts?
 
2012-05-09 09:19:21 AM  

mekki: I just want Coulson back. It's a Superhero franchise, people coming back from the dead isn't that far fetched.


No worries. No one stays dead but Ben Parker.
 
2012-05-09 09:19:32 AM  
From the makers of Mars Needs Moms and John Carter comes Michael Bay's AVENGERS 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO

Still would open at about $250 Million
 
2012-05-09 09:20:09 AM  

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: I hope they dont nerf thor again... that was the only bad thing about the avengers flick... other then that it was super fantastic...


He stood toe to toe with the Hulk, just like comics. What nerf are you talking about?
 
2012-05-09 09:20:31 AM  

mekki: I just want Coulson back. It's a Superhero franchise, people coming back from the dead isn't that far fetched.

Someone came up with the theory that Coulson wasn't Human but actually the Vision. Coulson had no blood family, no wife/husband or kids. His background besides being an adorable fanboy and a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent is unknown. And the fact that Fury said, "They took my one good eye" could be a hint to Coulson was/is the "Vision" as well as Fury saying that "Coulson is down" rather than "dead." could mean that Coulson is not a flesh and blood Human.

Okay, I have my fingers cross because this is Whedon and I can see him doing this.


Funny. I accepted Coulson's death as the mandatory human sacrifice Whedon invokes in all of his movies (like Wash, Penny, etc.)
 
2012-05-09 09:21:50 AM  
So, Avengers 2 = Avengers (inc. Ant Man, Wasp & Dr. Strange) + Guardians of the Galaxy vs. Thanos? Will it end with Thanos putting his costume on a scarecrow?
 
2012-05-09 09:22:24 AM  
Any sign of Hercules?
 
2012-05-09 09:23:02 AM  
Can't Thanos sort of only lose if he feels like it?
 
2012-05-09 09:26:36 AM  
About time, then...
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-09 09:27:41 AM  
So. Whedon helmed one of the biggest movie success' in history.

*claps hands together and rubs them vigorusly

SO. Let's talk Firefly season 2.
 
2012-05-09 09:28:07 AM  
Yeah, I bet Whedon when into the script with, "Who can I kill off?". The execs said, "Not Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Widow, Hawkeye, or Fury. We need them."

"Coulson it is!" [scribbles] ...stab/shoot/axe Wash Anya Tara Coulson to death unexpectedly
 
2012-05-09 09:29:56 AM  

Tarl3k: That movie was awful!!! The special effects were way WAY below my standards. I could do stuff like that on my computer at home!!! Also, the acting was HORRIBLE!!! I can't believe that people are actually watching this movie, it is just a polished turd!!!


Is that on a shirt? I needs it!
 
2012-05-09 09:35:10 AM  

Cndn Bacon: Expolaris: Moments like that make me love Tony Stark and Joss Whedons humor.

Heh, I haven't seen the movie yet and had no idea there was actually any shawarma in it...I just love shawarma.


I'm glad i was ambiguous enough to not spoil anything. There is schwarma related humor, that makes you crave delicious schwarma.

If you are ever in Atlanta, go to Antatolia Cafe on Peachtree across from woodruff park and the big ass sun trust building, it's a Turkish restaurant / hookah bar 2 friends of mine own (2 brothers). They make fantastic gyros, schwarma, and kebabs, and sometimes their mother is there and prepares some of the best food i've ever eaten.

Seriously, go there.
Link

Pardon for the gratuitous namedrop, they deserve good business.

27.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-05-09 09:37:10 AM  
The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....
 
2012-05-09 09:42:38 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: Will this one have Edward Norton?


Sadly, no.
 
2012-05-09 09:42:39 AM  

theflatline: Ruffalo owned the Hulk.


Meh, I think that is only because he had limited scenes. Don't get me wrong, I like Ruffalo, but there is a reason they are making Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 yet haven't announced anything for a Hulk 2. I don't think Ruffalo can carry his own movie. He is an awesome supporting actor though.
 
2012-05-09 09:43:43 AM  

LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....


Does Thanos have the Infinity Gauntlet?
 
2012-05-09 09:45:29 AM  

The Muthaship: Can't Thanos sort of only lose if he feels like it?


Only when he was in possession of the Infinity Gauntlet.

Aside from that, he's just a demi-god.
 
2012-05-09 09:49:10 AM  

LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....


goodcomics.comicbookresources.com

who will play the beautiful mistress death?
 
2012-05-09 09:50:00 AM  

hailin: Ruffalo


They signed Ruffalo to a 6 movie deal at least one of them will be a solo Hulk movie but no set date.
 
2012-05-09 09:51:23 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: I'm only interested if Joss Whedon is directing it.


I dunno man, he's pretty busy these days teaching people how to use the bathroom correctly (some brief NSFW language).
 
2012-05-09 09:54:03 AM  

SchlingFocker: Aside from that, he's just a demi-god.


I went to read about him on the Marvel Universe site, and now I have an aneurysm. Thanks.
 
2012-05-09 09:54:24 AM  
Mons pubis or GTFO.
 
2012-05-09 09:55:34 AM  
will they be bringing Jake Wyler back?
 
2012-05-09 09:58:01 AM  
i81.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-09 09:59:06 AM  
I'm as excited as the next guy for the next installment of this series, but there's one thing it doesn't have that makes me just giddy for TDKR over any other movie right now - and that's the fact that we don't know who's going to win between Bane and Batman.

Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Cap will never die in this series. Sooner or later, that's going to get old. I assume by Avengers 3, we're going to be sick of these characters.

If Whedon (or whoever directs the next one) kills off one of the main characters, it's the best thing that could happen.
 
2012-05-09 09:59:59 AM  

Dr. Horrible: Slaves2Darkness: I'm only interested if Joss Whedon is directing it.

I dunno man, he's pretty busy these days teaching people how to use the bathroom correctly (some brief NSFW language).


And BritAndNick are in Much Ado About Nothing, a movie Whedon made, at home, between finishing shooting Avengers and editing Avengers. Seriously this is a guy who does not know the meaning of the word Vacation.
 
2012-05-09 10:01:25 AM  

Andrew Wiggin: LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....

[goodcomics.comicbookresources.com image 451x452]

who will play the beautiful mistress death?


www.celebridoodle.com

oh c'mon, her personality is kind of deathy
 
2012-05-09 10:02:17 AM  

Expolaris: Cndn Bacon: Expolaris: Moments like that make me love Tony Stark and Joss Whedons humor.

Heh, I haven't seen the movie yet and had no idea there was actually any shawarma in it...I just love shawarma.

I'm glad i was ambiguous enough to not spoil anything. There is schwarma related humor, that makes you crave delicious schwarma.



I had to look it up. In the UK its called a kebab. And it is delicious with hot chili sauce and raw green chilies. It is also about 3000 calories a serving....
 
2012-05-09 10:03:24 AM  

Andrew Wiggin: LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....

[goodcomics.comicbookresources.com image 451x452]

who will play the beautiful mistress death?


You fool! Hulk wins, Hulk always smashes his way to a win. Even when the "Heros" of Earth get tired of a little destruction when he is around, and that they just can't get insurance on the Avengers mansion with him as a member, and banish him to another planet Hulk still wins.
 
2012-05-09 10:06:24 AM  

Mildot: Andrew Wiggin: LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....

[goodcomics.comicbookresources.com image 451x452]

who will play the beautiful mistress death?

[www.celebridoodle.com image 500x695]

oh c'mon, her personality is kind of deathy


Holy crap...She does have another expression besides sullen!
 
2012-05-09 10:08:20 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Andrew Wiggin: LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....

[goodcomics.comicbookresources.com image 451x452]

who will play the beautiful mistress death?

You fool! Hulk wins, Hulk always smashes his way to a win. Even when the "Heros" of Earth get tired of a little destruction when he is around, and that they just can't get insurance on the Avengers mansion with him as a member, and banish him to another planet Hulk still wins.


28.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-05-09 10:09:46 AM  

homarjr: Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Cap will never die in this series. Sooner or later, that's going to get old. I assume by Avengers 3, we're going to be sick of these characters.

If Whedon (or whoever directs the next one) kills off one of the main characters, it's the best thing that could happen.


They don't have to die. The Avengers are known for quitting, moving out west, leaving Earth entirely, etc. It's not hard to imagine that Cap is forced to team up with weaker-than-Thor&Hulk heroes to fight even stronger enemies in A2. Or that Fury assembles a team with specialized skills (Ray Park is perfect for untalkative Moon Knight - just be Snake Eyes in a white suit) to infiltrate a reborn Hydra.

/I bet we'll see Tigra in movie 3 or 4, if Whedon or Tarantino are involved. You gotcher barefoot girl, super acrobatic, plus she's a draw for the Furry community.
 
2012-05-09 10:12:51 AM  
$700 Million in under 2 weeks...YOWZA!

I think they'll break $1 BILLION this weekend...

DC/WB, the gauntlet has been thrown down.
 
2012-05-09 10:13:02 AM  
The only place I could find shwarma near me was some kosher place. It was terrible, and now I have the poops.
 
2012-05-09 10:18:43 AM  
There's a big Lebenese community here in the Peoria, IL area. One of the Lebenese families owns restaurants, but they call the spit-roasted meat gyros like the Greeks do. It's pretty good. I'm intrigued by the prospects of a Turkish version, as I am with all things Turkish.
 
2012-05-09 10:18:48 AM  

Earpj: From a random Google search:
Gyro is the Greek word, Doner is the Turkish word and Schwarma is the Arabic word. They all describe the same preparation: some kind of meat spit roasted. The type of meat depends on the region, for example pork is the favorite in Greece, but you won't find pork Doner or Schwarma. Lamb, beef and chicken are common across all 3. I know it seems confusing but if you just think about it as ways to describe the same meat preparation in different languages then its easier. Also, some gyro/schwarma/doner is with ground meat but this is usually the inferior stuff, look for the real stuff which is spit roasted chunks of meat. If you are looking for pork or chicken, BZ Grill in Astoria is amazing.

I adore Doners, so I would adore schwarma.


Just don't ask what kind of meat is in the Donner kebab.

/Too soon?
 
2012-05-09 10:19:59 AM  

bill4935: homarjr: Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Cap will never die in this series. Sooner or later, that's going to get old. I assume by Avengers 3, we're going to be sick of these characters.

If Whedon (or whoever directs the next one) kills off one of the main characters, it's the best thing that could happen.

They don't have to die. The Avengers are known for quitting, moving out west, leaving Earth entirely, etc. It's not hard to imagine that Cap is forced to team up with weaker-than-Thor&Hulk heroes to fight even stronger enemies in A2. Or that Fury assembles a team with specialized skills (Ray Park is perfect for untalkative Moon Knight - just be Snake Eyes in a white suit) to infiltrate a reborn Hydra.

/I bet we'll see Tigra in movie 3 or 4, if Whedon or Tarantino are involved. You gotcher barefoot girl, super acrobatic, plus she's a draw for the Furry community.


I think maybe my point is they should lose at the end of Avengers 2. Kind of like The Empire Strikes Back. They don't necessarily have to die, but end on a down note, and the audience will consider it the greatest movie in the franchise.

Thanos is no Darth Vader though.....no one is.
 
2012-05-09 10:20:05 AM  
ULTRON would be awesome for second movie.
 
2012-05-09 10:21:12 AM  
Oops I forgot:

Tawook > Shawarma
 
2012-05-09 10:22:40 AM  

ManateeGag: LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....

Does Thanos have the Infinity Gauntlet?


I really thought that the Infinity Gauntlet was shown in Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" in Thor.
 
2012-05-09 10:26:04 AM  

zinethar: I really thought that the Infinity Gauntlet was shown in Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" in Thor.


If Loki's sceptre is using the Mind Gem, then those glowy bits in the Thor scene are fake gems. Which means the Soul Gem is also out loose. Hopefully we see where it is in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie.
 
2012-05-09 10:31:59 AM  

Aboleth: zinethar: I really thought that the Infinity Gauntlet was shown in Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" in Thor.

If Loki's sceptre is using the Mind Gem, then those glowy bits in the Thor scene are fake gems. Which means the Soul Gem is also out loose. Hopefully we see where it is in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie.


Oh! Green Lantern 2?
 
2012-05-09 10:33:09 AM  

zinethar: ManateeGag: LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....

Does Thanos have the Infinity Gauntlet?

I really thought that the Infinity Gauntlet was shown in Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" in Thor.


Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" has a revolving door on it. I'm sure Thanos won't have a problem getting his hands on it.
 
2012-05-09 10:42:22 AM  

ManateeGag: Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" has a revolving door on it. I'm sure Thanos won't have a problem getting his hands on it.


Oh certainly, I was just thinking that if they established that Odin has it (and that it seems to be missing the Mind Gem) then it explains why Thanos needed to use the Skrulls for the attack on Earth. He didn't have his favorite toy, and couldn't kick ass like he wanted to.

I hope that the Gauntlet features prominently.
 
2012-05-09 10:43:29 AM  

cgraves67: There's a big Lebenese community here in the Peoria, IL area. One of the Lebenese families owns restaurants, but they call the spit-roasted meat gyros like the Greeks do. It's pretty good. I'm intrigued by the prospects of a Turkish version, as I am with all things Turkish.


Does that include Turkish prisons?
 
2012-05-09 10:45:53 AM  
I was thinking that if they are going to have Thanos as the main villain in Avengers 2 then it would be awesome if they had a cameo by Squirrel Girl. But then I realized that if Squirrel Girl appeared they wouldn't need the rest of the Avengers and the movie would only last six minutes long. But it would be an awesome six minutes of squirrels beating the crap out of Thanos and his minions.
 
2012-05-09 10:47:09 AM  

Yakk: ULTRON would be awesome for second movie.


You know, by the way Fury was acting, I honestly thought Phase 2 would have something to do with Ultron.

zinethar: ManateeGag: Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" has a revolving door on it. I'm sure Thanos won't have a problem getting his hands on it.

Oh certainly, I was just thinking that if they established that Odin has it (and that it seems to be missing the Mind Gem) then it explains why Thanos needed to use the Skrulls for the attack on Earth. He didn't have his favorite toy, and couldn't kick ass like he wanted to.

I hope that the Gauntlet features prominently.


I wouldn't be surprised to see that the end credit scene of Thor 2 doesn't involve the theft in some way.
 
2012-05-09 10:50:52 AM  

2CountyFairs: I wouldn't be surprised to see that the end credit scene of Thor 2 doesn't involve the theft in some way.


Or that be the full-on ending. The whole movie could either be an assault on Asgard culminating in the Gauntlet being stolen, or Thanos chasing down the rest of the scattered Gems with Thor trying to stop him. The end credit scenes could set up Avengers 2 facing Thanos *with* the fully loaded Gauntlet.
 
2012-05-09 10:51:04 AM  

Rwa2play: $700 Million in under 2 weeks...YOWZA!

I think they'll break $1 BILLION this weekend...

DC/WB, the gauntlet has been thrown down.


While it's really impressive, you're somewhat misguided. Remember the movie has opened in more than half the world already. It's been out for two weeks here in my country. Movies usually open in the US, then trickle down to the other countries and start accumulating the money. Avengers opened in more than 30 countries two weeks ago so it already made the big money there. from now on it's diminishing returns.

It'll get 1 billion easy though. I predict 1.6 billions.
 
2012-05-09 10:51:58 AM  

2CountyFairs: cgraves67: There's a big Lebenese community here in the Peoria, IL area. One of the Lebenese families owns restaurants, but they call the spit-roasted meat gyros like the Greeks do. It's pretty good. I'm intrigued by the prospects of a Turkish version, as I am with all things Turkish.

Does that include Turkish prisons?


Especially Turkish prisons.
 
2012-05-09 10:54:13 AM  
Shwarma will be as passe as fish tacos by the time Avengers2 comes out. We will be deep in the resurgence of pizza-in-a-cup by then.
 
2012-05-09 10:54:14 AM  

Carth: hailin: Ruffalo

They signed Ruffalo to a 6 movie deal at least one of them will be a solo Hulk movie but no set date.


Then I doubt it will be any good. I stand by my position Ruffalo can't carry his own movie. Though I thought Thor was pretty bad and have no hope the second one will be any better. That actor is just not good solo. He was okay in The Avengers.
 
2012-05-09 10:55:37 AM  

Oysterman: Flying monkeys


I got that one! ... I got that.
 
2012-05-09 10:59:16 AM  

hailin: Carth: hailin: Ruffalo

They signed Ruffalo to a 6 movie deal at least one of them will be a solo Hulk movie but no set date.

Then I doubt it will be any good. I stand by my position Ruffalo can't carry his own movie. Though I thought Thor was pretty bad and have no hope the second one will be any better. That actor is just not good solo. He was okay in The Avengers.


I hope you're wrong. Ruffalo had the best characterization of Banner we've seen so far. He was weasley, scared, smart, anxious and prone to outburst. In short, the bubbling cauldron of emotions that Banner is supposed to be.
 
2012-05-09 11:00:28 AM  

rocky_howard: Rwa2play: $700 Million in under 2 weeks...YOWZA!

I think they'll break $1 BILLION this weekend...

DC/WB, the gauntlet has been thrown down.

While it's really impressive, you're somewhat misguided. Remember the movie has opened in more than half the world already. It's been out for two weeks here in my country. Movies usually open in the US, then trickle down to the other countries and start accumulating the money. Avengers opened in more than 30 countries two weeks ago so it already made the big money there. from now on it's diminishing returns.

It'll get 1 billion easy though. I predict 1.6 billions.


From word of mouth and people actually going back at least once, it'll probably break that billion dollar mark this weekend.
 
2012-05-09 11:00:30 AM  

Raug the Dwarf: Ruffalo had the best characterization of Banner we've seen so far.


From hell's heart Bill Bixby stabs at thee.
 
2012-05-09 11:03:00 AM  

Yakk: ULTRON would be awesome for second movie.


Ultron was originally designed by Pym, iirc. Would make a good villain when they finally need to start rotating the membership, and it'd be a particularly good way to work Wasp into the arc (assuming they use something like her original backstory rather than the mutant version).
 
2012-05-09 11:03:49 AM  
You Are All Sheep: Aboleth: zinethar: I really thought that the Infinity Gauntlet was shown in Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" in Thor.

If Loki's sceptre is using the Mind Gem, then those glowy bits in the Thor scene are fake gems. Which means the Soul Gem is also out loose. Hopefully we see where it is in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie.

Oh! Green Lantern 2?


Aren't they in different universes?
 
2012-05-09 11:04:12 AM  

Raug the Dwarf: hailin: Carth: hailin: Ruffalo

They signed Ruffalo to a 6 movie deal at least one of them will be a solo Hulk movie but no set date.

Then I doubt it will be any good. I stand by my position Ruffalo can't carry his own movie. Though I thought Thor was pretty bad and have no hope the second one will be any better. That actor is just not good solo. He was okay in The Avengers.

I hope you're wrong. Ruffalo had the best characterization of Banner we've seen so far. He was weasley, scared, smart, anxious and prone to outburst. In short, the bubbling cauldron of emotions that Banner is supposed to be.


Hulk v Marvel universe would be a fun movie.
 
2012-05-09 11:05:13 AM  

SchlingFocker: The Muthaship: Can't Thanos sort of only lose if he feels like it?

Only when he was in possession of the Infinity Gauntlet.

Aside from that, he's just a demi-god.


I thought it was that his subconscious always forces him to make some fatal flaw, some omission in an otherwise perfect plan that allows him to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Or something like that.
 
2012-05-09 11:05:41 AM  

Apos: Will there be two relevant post-credit sequences and two irrelevant ones?


The closing credits come in the first 15 minutes of the movie -- then has a two-hour post-credit sequence.

/enough already with the credit cookies.
 
2012-05-09 11:09:26 AM  

ReverendLoki: I thought it was that his subconscious always forces him to make some fatal flaw, some omission in an otherwise perfect plan that allows him to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Or something like that.


Yes, that was sort of what I was referring to. I think I read it on Cracked though, so....
 
2012-05-09 11:09:35 AM  
So.....is Avengers the sequel to Captain America, because of Fury, which was a sequel to Thor, because of Coulson, which was a sequel to Iron Man 2, which was a sequel to Incredible Hulk because of Stark, which was a sequel to Iron Man?
Or are they considered separate?
 
2012-05-09 11:12:15 AM  

mekki: I just want Coulson back. It's a Superhero franchise, people coming back from the dead isn't that far fetched.

Someone came up with the theory that Coulson wasn't Human but actually the Vision. Coulson had no blood family, no wife/husband or kids. His background besides being an adorable fanboy and a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent is unknown. And the fact that Fury said, "They took my one good eye" could be a hint to Coulson was/is the "Vision" as well as Fury saying that "Coulson is down" rather than "dead." could mean that Coulson is not a flesh and blood Human.

Okay, I have my fingers cross because this is Whedon and I can see him doing this.


I knew Coulson was going to be killed as soon as Pepper Potts said his first name. He's been in 2 previous movies without it (that I know of). He might as well just be a week shy of retirement. It's a death sentence for a secondary character to be more fully fleshed out and sympathetic. It's an obvious emotional hook for the main characters and the audience.
 
2012-05-09 11:18:21 AM  
What about Ant Man... omg! He was a founding member of Avengers!!! *cries*

/not really, he was kinda retarded character
 
2012-05-09 11:20:31 AM  

KellyX: What about Ant Man... omg! He was a founding member of Avengers!!! *cries*

/not really, he was kinda retarded character


lies!
blog.newsarama.com
 
2012-05-09 11:23:08 AM  
Really? I wonder if Summer Glau will be in it.
 
2012-05-09 11:28:10 AM  

Carth: KellyX: What about Ant Man... omg! He was a founding member of Avengers!!! *cries*

/not really, he was kinda retarded character

lies!
[blog.newsarama.com image 363x363]




O'Grady was an awesome Ant-man, but yes, Pym and Lang did suck.
 
2012-05-09 11:28:33 AM  

cgraves67: I knew Coulson was going to be killed as soon as Pepper Potts said his first name. He's been in 2 previous movies without it (that I know of). He might as well just be a week shy of retirement. It's a death sentence for a secondary character to be more fully fleshed out and sympathetic. It's an obvious emotional hook for the main characters and the audience.


His first name is "Agent".
 
2012-05-09 11:29:01 AM  

Evil Mackerel: Really? I wonder if Summer Glau will be in it.


Actually, she'd make a good Squirrel Girl.
 
2012-05-09 11:29:58 AM  
Will there be a scene with Black Widow, Maria Hill, and Pepper Potts taking a shower together after a hard day of training? I'll be in my bunk.....
 
2012-05-09 11:34:28 AM  

Raug the Dwarf: Pym


Fair enough. Pym was actually mentioned in Ironman so it will be interesting to see what the Ant Man movie is like
 
2012-05-09 11:35:38 AM  
From Wikipedia:

In the 2012 movie The Avengers, after a battle in New York City, Robert Downey, Jr.'s character Tony Stark (Iron Man) suggests going to visit "a shawarma place a few blocks down." He quips: "I don't know what it is, but I want to try it." An after credits scene shows the main characters at the "shawarma place." TMZ reported that, as a result of this scene, sales of shawarma rose at least 80% in the Los Angeles area within days of the movie's release.
 
2012-05-09 11:41:05 AM  
Casting call for Luke Cage and Iron Fist?

Also, what about the Abomination? He was still squirming after Ed Norton Hulk stomped on him. Wheres he at?
 
2012-05-09 11:49:36 AM  

Zombie DJ: So.....is Avengers the sequel to Captain America, because of Fury, which was a sequel to Thor, because of Coulson, which was a sequel to Iron Man 2, which was a sequel to Incredible Hulk because of Stark, which was a sequel to Iron Man?
Or are they considered separate?


The order is made a bit more clear in the comic miniseries "Fury's Big Week" which outlines the fact that the climax of each of the movies (except for Iron Man 1) takes place over the course of a week, much of it happening simultaneously.

Essentially, the events of Iron Man 2 come first, and overlap with the events in Incredible Hulk (Stark's meeting with Ross takes place just before Ross makes his final assault on the Hulk). The events in Thor take place shortly after the Hulk/Abomination battle in New York City.

Thor leaves Earth to deal with Loki, Banner (having defeated the Abomination) runs away to India via Pakistan, and Stark is rejected for the Avengers Initiative around the same time (or over the course of a few days, anyway). Captain America is found not long after that, and this leads into The Avengers.

The time span between the end of Captain America and the beginning of The Avengers is hazy, though.... Up to a year, according to the movie's dialogue, or much sooner than that if you take the comic's word for it.
 
2012-05-09 11:50:11 AM  
Saw it on Sunday, going to see it again today.

Bummed that Coulson was killed. He was so......cool.
 
2012-05-09 11:50:42 AM  

zekeburger: Will there be a scene with Black Widow, Maria Hill, and Pepper Potts taking a shower together after a hard day of training? I'll be in my bunk.....



I'm...going to take a cold shower now.
 
2012-05-09 11:57:23 AM  

zinethar: Or that be the full-on ending. The whole movie could either be an assault on Asgard culminating in the Gauntlet being stolen, or Thanos chasing down the rest of the scattered Gems with Thor trying to stop him. The end credit scenes could set up Avengers 2 facing Thanos *with* the fully loaded Gauntlet.


I would watch the fark out of that movie.
 
2012-05-09 12:05:05 PM  

hailin: theflatline: Ruffalo owned the Hulk.

Meh, I think that is only because he had limited scenes. Don't get me wrong, I like Ruffalo, but there is a reason they are making Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 yet haven't announced anything for a Hulk 2. I don't think Ruffalo can carry his own movie. He is an awesome supporting actor though.


I too am currently in this boat as Mark Ruffalo has been a character actor trying to break out for a while. I think he could do it, but the writing would have to be stellar.
 
2012-05-09 12:09:59 PM  
Will I be mercilessly mocked and derided if I confess thatI found Avengers disappointing?
 
2012-05-09 12:14:29 PM  

Rent Party: Will I be mercilessly mocked and derided if I confess thatI found Avengers disappointing?


Would you give a sh*t if you were?
 
2012-05-09 12:15:52 PM  

Rent Party: Will I be mercilessly mocked and derided if I confess thatI found Avengers disappointing?


Not at all. The fine group of gentlemen and women here not only tolerate varying opinions, but warmly embrace them!
 
2012-05-09 12:16:26 PM  
I am pretty cynical about big action flicks.
It takes a good amount to impress me.
My list of Big Blockbuster Action Movies that I HATE is much longer than ones I've liked. (anything by Michael Bay is automatically in the HATE category)

All that being said, Avengers impressed me, but not overwhelmingly so. I'd give it a solid 3 out of 4 stars. It wasn't a waste of money or time to see it. I'll see the sequel if it's about Thanos & the Infinity Gauntlet.
 
2012-05-09 12:19:47 PM  

The Muthaship: Rent Party: Will I be mercilessly mocked and derided if I confess thatI found Avengers disappointing?

Would you give a sh*t if you were?


Not at all. I just want to know how deep the pool is before I jump in.
 
2012-05-09 12:20:52 PM  

Subdue their bellies: Casting call for Luke Cage and Iron Fist?

Also, what about the Abomination? He was still squirming after Ed Norton Hulk stomped on him. Wheres he at?


According to the vignette on the Thor DVD Ross has him. Whether that means they managed to shrink him back down to normal Blonsky, contain him with equipment designed for Hulk or dissect him in the name of science is open to interpretation.
 
2012-05-09 12:21:18 PM  

Rent Party: I just want to know how deep the pool is before I jump in.


It's safe, jump away.

All the gushing gets stale.

/I haven't seen it
 
2012-05-09 12:21:51 PM  

Rwa2play: $700 Million in under 2 weeks...YOWZA!

I think they'll break $1 BILLION this weekend...

DC/WB, the Infinity Gauntlet has been thrown down.


FTFY.

Although I'm a big fan of Batman, always have been always will, the Avengers actually has me excited for the Marvel franchise.
 
2012-05-09 12:23:40 PM  
Nathan Fillion as Ant Man
Kate Beckinsale as Wasp
Have the of voice of Kratos to voice Thanos

DONE!
 
2012-05-09 12:24:06 PM  
Your move,Warner Brothers. Better make it count.
 
2012-05-09 12:24:49 PM  

scarmig: Rent Party: Will I be mercilessly mocked and derided if I confess thatI found Avengers disappointing?

Not at all. The fine group of gentlemen and women here not only tolerate varying opinions, but warmly embrace them!


Ah, fair play then.

Individually, each of the individual movies was fine, but I thought the mashup failed. Thor and Loki are pure fantasy characters. Stark and Bannon are completely rational genius types.

"Demi-gods from way outer space vs. Iron Man" just didn't work. It was like putting chocolate sauce on your chili dog.
 
2012-05-09 12:27:19 PM  

Rent Party: scarmig: Rent Party: Will I be mercilessly mocked and derided if I confess thatI found Avengers disappointing?

Not at all. The fine group of gentlemen and women here not only tolerate varying opinions, but warmly embrace them!

Ah, fair play then.

Individually, each of the individual movies was fine, but I thought the mashup failed. Thor and Loki are pure fantasy characters. Stark and Bannon are completely rational genius types.

"Demi-gods from way outer space vs. Iron Man" just didn't work. It was like putting chocolate sauce on your chili dog.


So you don't like comic books in general? The movies made it pretty clear that all these characters exist in the same world in their dedicated movies.
 
2012-05-09 12:27:22 PM  
i151.photobucket.com
This thread is useless without pics.

/does this one mean ScarJo is no longer an Obama supporter?
 
2012-05-09 12:28:24 PM  

homarjr: I'm as excited as the next guy for the next installment of this series, but there's one thing it doesn't have that makes me just giddy for TDKR over any other movie right now - and that's the fact that we don't know who's going to win between Bane and Batman.

Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Cap will never die in this series. Sooner or later, that's going to get old. I assume by Avengers 3, we're going to be sick of these characters.

If Whedon (or whoever directs the next one) kills off one of the main characters, it's the best thing that could happen.


Have you seen the Avengers? I don't want to get all spoilery but a major character does get killed off.
 
2012-05-09 12:33:43 PM  

bill4935: Moon Knight


I jizzed a little in my pants.

ManateeGag: Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" has a revolving door on it. I'm sure Thanos won't have a problem getting his hands on it.


I broke into it yesterday.

Subdue their bellies: Casting call for Luke Cage and Iron Fist?


Danny = Ryan Kwanten. I want this so bad.

Rent Party: Thor and Loki are pure fantasy characters. Stark and Bannon are completely rational genius types.


It helps if you understand that Loki is Tony's mother.
 
2012-05-09 12:38:43 PM  

Mildot: Andrew Wiggin: LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

who will play the beautiful mistress death?

[www.celebridoodle.com image 500x695]

oh c'mon, her personality is kind of deathy


Hey, I'd go for that if her character is killed off early in the movie. Kind of like Paltrow in Contagion.
 
2012-05-09 12:39:33 PM  

Rent Party: Individually, each of the individual movies was fine, but I thought the mashup failed. Thor and Loki are pure fantasy characters. Stark and Bannon are completely rational genius types.

"Demi-gods from way outer space vs. Iron Man" just didn't work. It was like putting chocolate sauce on your chili dog.



That's not a terribly open-minded argument. In the movie Stark even mentioned that 'this is magic and gods, which is pretty out-there" or something to that effect

Besides, in the comic books, several of Iron Man's most prevalent villains are magic or god-like. The next iron Man movie is going to involve Mandarin, who is a magician (lightning from his fingertips & all that)

I see what you're saying; the juxtaposition of fantasy and sci-fi, but that mixture CAN work, quite well, given the right writing.
 
2012-05-09 12:39:50 PM  

Carth:
"Demi-gods from way outer space vs. Iron Man" just didn't work. It was like putting chocolate sauce on your chili dog.

So you don't like comic books in general? The movies made it pretty clear that all these characters exist in the same world in their dedicated movies.


Generally no, but that isn't relevant. I never judge movies by the book, if they were derived from a book. The movie stands or falls on it's own merits.

I know all the references were in most of the movies. Capt America's Shield in Tony Stark's shop, Selvig mentioning Banner, etc... But when it all came together, I just don't think it worked. Take Thor out and you basically have a bunch of scientists and spies doing scientific spying kind of stuff and you can make a good story out of it. Add Thor/Loki in the mix, and now it's something different that's not quite sci-fi, and not quite fantasy.
 
2012-05-09 12:41:05 PM  

Braindeath:

It helps if you understand that Loki is Tony's mother.


You will have to help me out here...
 
2012-05-09 12:41:23 PM  
so, now that we've seen how it should be done with the avengers...

can we all just be honest with ourselves and admit that x-men first class was a steaming pile?
 
2012-05-09 12:43:30 PM  
Ok, I'm going to have to be "that guy" in a thread. Do people really like Thanos that much as a villain?

I don't care who they include for Avengers because my reading of comics never went past story arcs of some of the main Marvel and DC, mainly spiderman and batman so I've just never seen Thanos in action or Darksied for that matter. Just reading up on him he seems like some super powerful all knowing being, which kind of sucks.
 
2012-05-09 12:44:15 PM  

DeusMeh: so, now that we've seen how it should be done with the avengers...

can we all just be honest with ourselves and admit that x-men first class was a steaming pile?


It was better than X3, not even Ellen Page in leather could save that movie.
 
2012-05-09 12:44:28 PM  

schattenteufel: Rent Party: Individually, each of the individual movies was fine, but I thought the mashup failed. Thor and Loki are pure fantasy characters. Stark and Bannon are completely rational genius types.

"Demi-gods from way outer space vs. Iron Man" just didn't work. It was like putting chocolate sauce on your chili dog.


That's not a terribly open-minded argument. In the movie Stark even mentioned that 'this is magic and gods, which is pretty out-there" or something to that effect

Besides, in the comic books, several of Iron Man's most prevalent villains are magic or god-like. The next iron Man movie is going to involve Mandarin, who is a magician (lightning from his fingertips & all that)

I see what you're saying; the juxtaposition of fantasy and sci-fi, but that mixture CAN work, quite well, given the right writing.


I took that as Stark sarcasm when he said it. And as I mentioned, I don't really care about the source material, only the movie.

And I'll be honest, other than more of Scarlett J in less clothing, what the Avengers needed most was

flylyf.com

/ As did IM-2
 
2012-05-09 12:45:34 PM  

Rent Party: scarmig: Rent Party: Will I be mercilessly mocked and derided if I confess thatI found Avengers disappointing?

Not at all. The fine group of gentlemen and women here not only tolerate varying opinions, but warmly embrace them!

Ah, fair play then.

Individually, each of the individual movies was fine, but I thought the mashup failed. Thor and Loki are pure fantasy characters. Stark and Bannon are completely rational genius types.

"Demi-gods from way outer space vs. Iron Man" just didn't work. It was like putting chocolate sauce on your chili dog.


You weren't paying attention, then.

In the movies, the Asgardians are described as extradimensional aliens with technology so advanced it seems like magic to the people of Earth.

Every one of the Marvel Movie Universe flicks is Science Fantasy. Tony Stark's armor is science fantasy, Thor's hammer is science fantasy, Hawkeye's bow is science fantasy, the Hulk's transformation is science fantasy.

There's no "pure fantasy" here, from a literary sense.
 
2012-05-09 12:46:06 PM  

Rent Party: Carth:
"Demi-gods from way outer space vs. Iron Man" just didn't work. It was like putting chocolate sauce on your chili dog.

So you don't like comic books in general? The movies made it pretty clear that all these characters exist in the same world in their dedicated movies.

Generally no, but that isn't relevant. I never judge movies by the book, if they were derived from a book. The movie stands or falls on it's own merits.

Add Thor/Loki in the mix, and now it's something different that's not quite sci-fi, and not quite fantasy.


That's what comic book are a fantasy/scifi hybrid with magic and technology both being used sometimes interchangeably. Joss, being a big comic book fan, likely wanted to recreate that environment and the thor/loki scenes of magic did a great job there. I can understand someone not liking it if they aren't used to that style but it worked exactly as intended.
 
2012-05-09 12:50:29 PM  

Rent Party: schattenteufel: Rent Party: Individually, each of the individual movies was fine, but I thought the mashup failed. Thor and Loki are pure fantasy characters. Stark and Bannon are completely rational genius types.

"Demi-gods from way outer space vs. Iron Man" just didn't work. It was like putting chocolate sauce on your chili dog.


That's not a terribly open-minded argument. In the movie Stark even mentioned that 'this is magic and gods, which is pretty out-there" or something to that effect

Besides, in the comic books, several of Iron Man's most prevalent villains are magic or god-like. The next iron Man movie is going to involve Mandarin, who is a magician (lightning from his fingertips & all that)

I see what you're saying; the juxtaposition of fantasy and sci-fi, but that mixture CAN work, quite well, given the right writing.

I took that as Stark sarcasm when he said it. And as I mentioned, I don't really care about the source material, only the movie.

And I'll be honest, other than more of Scarlett J in less clothing, what the Avengers needed most was (War Machine)


Yeah... I'm not sure how that fits with things in the movie. It doesn't make a lot of sense that there would be this major alien threat, and War Machine wouldn't be called in to help out. He could have been there quickly, he would have been very helpful, and yet... nothing.

Maybe he was out handling some other crisis?
 
2012-05-09 12:51:02 PM  

eddievercetti:

It was better than X3, not even Ellen Page in leather could save that movie.


your bar is set pretty low, huh?
 
2012-05-09 12:51:26 PM  

Rent Party: Carth:
"Demi-gods from way outer space vs. Iron Man" just didn't work. It was like putting chocolate sauce on your chili dog.

So you don't like comic books in general? The movies made it pretty clear that all these characters exist in the same world in their dedicated movies.

Generally no, but that isn't relevant. I never judge movies by the book, if they were derived from a book. The movie stands or falls on it's own merits.

I know all the references were in most of the movies. Capt America's Shield in Tony Stark's shop, Selvig mentioning Banner, etc... But when it all came together, I just don't think it worked. Take Thor out and you basically have a bunch of scientists and spies doing scientific spying kind of stuff and you can make a good story out of it. Add Thor/Loki in the mix, and now it's something different that's not quite sci-fi, and not quite fantasy.


I think they kind of went out of their way in Thor/Avengers to show that old maxim "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Thor says so in his first movie. Yes, the Cosmic Cube Tesseract is a weird, far out alien/supernatural thing, but SHIELD was on the verge of making bombs out of it. Loki needed a human scientist to get it to work for him. Asgard is basically another planet/dimension, amongst many. Fury calls Thor a space alien to his face. There's nothing "pure fantasy" about it, it's just sci-fi where they don't explain in gory detail how it all works. The culture of Asgard treats their science differently than Earth, which makes humans look at it more like magic. I'm guessing Asgard doesn't do textbooks very well.
 
2012-05-09 12:51:28 PM  
img545.imageshack.us

Thanos? Meh.
 
2012-05-09 12:52:29 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-05-09 12:52:41 PM  

SithLord: Rwa2play: $700 Million in under 2 weeks...YOWZA!

I think they'll break $1 BILLION this weekend...

DC/WB, the Infinity Gauntlet has been thrown down.

FTFY.

Although I'm a big fan of Batman, always have been always will, the Avengers actually has me excited for the Marvel franchise.


I've been a big DC fan since I was young (first hero was Captain Marvel, no not Mar-Vell or Carol Danvers). The Marvel love came in when I was a teenager reading Dr. Strange and Avengers West Coast. So, I have love for both companies. Marvel, however, has been either decent to killing it with all of their movies while DC's been tripping over themselves (bar Nolan's Batman).

Even contemplating a superhero group movie was thought of as a major pipedream...until "X-Men." "The Avengers" just reinforced that "Yeah, not only can it be done, but it can be done in spades."
 
2012-05-09 12:54:22 PM  

Gunny Highway: Slaves2Darkness: Andrew Wiggin: LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....

[goodcomics.comicbookresources.com image 451x452]

who will play the beautiful mistress death?

You fool! Hulk wins, Hulk always smashes his way to a win. Even when the "Heros" of Earth get tired of a little destruction when he is around, and that they just can't get insurance on the Avengers mansion with him as a member, and banish him to another planet Hulk still wins.

[28.media.tumblr.com image 460x700]


Hulk is the strongest there is. That's what made Planet/World War Hulk so enjoyable. Tony/SHIELD tricks him into a rocket heading away from Earth. Stark pulls a Kirk/Khan and Ceti Alpha 5 becomes the home that almost literally blows up in his face, and Hulk falls in love with an Earth Elemental priestess who dies when his ship's engine core explodes. Hulk blames pretty much everyone in the Marvel universe for her death (mainly the Illuminati with Stark, Namor, Strange and Professor X at the helm), takes his new army back to Earth and kicks ass. All. Ass. Then the clinically depressed superhero with the power of a thousand suns beats him.

/I just saved you $30 in trade paperbacks
//You're welcome
///Still worth the read, if only for the part with Black Bolt
 
2012-05-09 12:54:23 PM  

eddievercetti: Kate Beckinsale as WaspScarlet Witch.


BETTER....MUCH BETTER!

Have the of voice of Kratos to voice Thanos

DONE!


This.
 
2012-05-09 12:57:10 PM  

nmiguy: homarjr: I'm as excited as the next guy for the next installment of this series, but there's one thing it doesn't have that makes me just giddy for TDKR over any other movie right now - and that's the fact that we don't know who's going to win between Bane and Batman.

Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Cap will never die in this series. Sooner or later, that's going to get old. I assume by Avengers 3, we're going to be sick of these characters.

If Whedon (or whoever directs the next one) kills off one of the main characters, it's the best thing that could happen.

Have you seen the Avengers? I don't want to get all spoilery but a major character does get killed off.


Either you haven't seen the movie or you have no idea what "major" means.
 
2012-05-09 12:57:56 PM  

DeusMeh: so, now that we've seen how it should be done with the avengers...

can we all just be honest with ourselves and admit that x-men first class was a steaming pile?


I don't know about "steaming pile," but it wasn't a good movie. There were some bits of that movie I liked, but there was even more stuff I really disliked about it.

And that's even before you take all of the continuity problems into account.
 
2012-05-09 01:07:55 PM  

th0th: Gunny Highway: Slaves2Darkness: Andrew Wiggin: LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....

[goodcomics.comicbookresources.com image 451x452]

who will play the beautiful mistress death?

You fool! Hulk wins, Hulk always smashes his way to a win. Even when the "Heros" of Earth get tired of a little destruction when he is around, and that they just can't get insurance on the Avengers mansion with him as a member, and banish him to another planet Hulk still wins.

[28.media.tumblr.com image 460x700]

Hulk is the strongest there is. That's what made Planet/World War Hulk so enjoyable. Tony/SHIELD tricks him into a rocket heading away from Earth. Stark pulls a Kirk/Khan and Ceti Alpha 5 becomes the home that almost literally blows up in his face, and Hulk falls in love with an Earth Elemental priestess who dies when his ship's engine core explodes. Hulk blames pretty much everyone in the Marvel universe for her death (mainly the Illuminati with Stark, Namor, Strange and Professor X at the helm), takes his new army back to Earth and kicks ass. All. Ass. Then the clinically depressed superhero with the power of a thousand suns beats him.

/I just saved you $30 in trade paperbacks
//You're welcome
///Still worth the read, if only for the part with Black Bolt



Bullshiat. Sentry DOES NOT beat Hulk. If anything they fought to a stalemate and that's pushing it. They really fought until their energy was totally drained, except Sentry returns to human form and passes out, Banner doesn't pass out, I think he turns back into the Hulk before Stark uses that red beam thingy.

/fark you sentry
 
2012-05-09 01:08:33 PM  

Subdue their bellies: Casting call for Luke Cage and Iron Fist?

Also, what about the Abomination? He was still squirming after Ed Norton Hulk stomped on him. Wheres he at?


From WIKI

"Agent Coulson informs Agent Sitwell that the World Security Council wishes Emil Blonsky (Tim Roth) released from prison to join the Avenger Initiative. They see him as a war hero and blame his fight in New York City with Bruce Banner (Edward Norton) on Banner himself. They order S.H.I.E.L.D. to send an agent to ask General Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross (William Hurt) to release Blonsky into their custody. The two agents decide to send a patsy to sabotage the meeting, so that Ross will refuse to release Blonsky. At Sitwell's urging, Coulson reluctantly sends the consultant: Tony Stark (Robert Downey, Jr.). As partially depicted in the pre-credits scene of The Incredible Hulk, a disgraced Ross sits drinking in a bar, when he is approached by Stark, who ends up annoying Ross so much that Ross tries to have him removed from the bar. In reply, Stark buys the bar, and schedules it for demolition. The next day at the restaurant, Sitwell arrives to Coulson eating breakfast. Coulson informs him that their plan worked, and that Blonsky will remain in prison."
 
2012-05-09 01:10:02 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: So. Whedon helmed one of the biggest movie success' in history.

*claps hands together and rubs them vigorusly

SO. Let's talk Firefly season 2.


I saw a youtube video once where an elephant painted a picture by numbers. The elephant could have directed Avengers Assembly with the same Whedon results.


/and where the fark was the end of credits scene? I saw the film in the UK and waited and waited and there was no end credit scene at a diner, sonavbiatch!
 
2012-05-09 01:10:15 PM  
 
2012-05-09 01:13:01 PM  

thecpt: Ok, I'm going to have to be "that guy" in a thread. Do people really like Thanos that much as a villain?

I don't care who they include for Avengers because my reading of comics never went past story arcs of some of the main Marvel and DC, mainly spiderman and batman so I've just never seen Thanos in action or Darksied for that matter. Just reading up on him he seems like some super powerful all knowing being, which kind of sucks.



I'm with you on that. I always found Thanos a boring character too. But if that's the bad guy for Avengers 2, I'll still give it a try. I have confidence that Joss Whedon could make a good movie even if he's using a lame character like that as the big bad. I think he'd probably flesh him out better than the comics did.


Trocadero: I think they kind of went out of their way in Thor/Avengers to show that old maxim "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Thor says so in his first movie. Yes, the Cosmic Cube Tesseract is a weird, far out alien/supernatural thing, but SHIELD was on the verge of making bombs out of it. Loki needed a human scientist to get it to work for him. Asgard is basically another planet/dimension, amongst many. Fury calls Thor a space alien to his face. There's nothing "pure fantasy" about it, it's just sci-fi where they don't explain in gory detail how it all works. The culture of Asgard treats their science differently than Earth, which makes humans look at it more like magic. I'm guessing Asgard doesn't do textbooks very well.



This. I was going to explain that but you beat me to it. I actually was a little surprised (somewhat pleasantly) at how explicit they were in the movie about that. I mean, Fury straight up called Thor a space alien... And forgive me if I'm confusing a scene in Thor for one in Avengers, but they straight up use the Arthur C. Clarke line about how "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - I think in both movies. Definitely in Thor though. That's why when Odin banishes Thor he takes his hammer AND his outfit. I thought they made it pretty clear it was his outfit that granted him his god-like strength and endurance. It's just like Iron Man's suit, but using Asgardian technology instead of Earth technology like Iron Man does.
 
2012-05-09 01:16:22 PM  

mongbiohazard: thecpt: Ok, I'm going to have to be "that guy" in a thread. Do people really like Thanos that much as a villain?

I don't care who they include for Avengers because my reading of comics never went past story arcs of some of the main Marvel and DC, mainly spiderman and batman so I've just never seen Thanos in action or Darksied for that matter. Just reading up on him he seems like some super powerful all knowing being, which kind of sucks.


I'm with you on that. I always found Thanos a boring character too. But if that's the bad guy for Avengers 2, I'll still give it a try. I have confidence that Joss Whedon could make a good movie even if he's using a lame character like that as the big bad. I think he'd probably flesh him out better than the comics did.


Trocadero: I think they kind of went out of their way in Thor/Avengers to show that old maxim "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Thor says so in his first movie. Yes, the Cosmic Cube Tesseract is a weird, far out alien/supernatural thing, but SHIELD was on the verge of making bombs out of it. Loki needed a human scientist to get it to work for him. Asgard is basically another planet/dimension, amongst many. Fury calls Thor a space alien to his face. There's nothing "pure fantasy" about it, it's just sci-fi where they don't explain in gory detail how it all works. The culture of Asgard treats their science differently than Earth, which makes humans look at it more like magic. I'm guessing Asgard doesn't do textbooks very well.


This. I was going to explain that but you beat me to it. I actually was a little surprised (somewhat pleasantly) at how explicit they were in the movie about that. I mean, Fury straight up called Thor a space alien... And forgive me if I'm confusing a scene in Thor for one in Avengers, but they straight up use the Arthur C. Clarke line about how "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - I think in both movies. Definitely in T ...


But he doesn't have his full suit when fighting the Hulk on the helicarrier. He does have the hammer though.
 
2012-05-09 01:20:42 PM  

nitefallz: Bullshiat. Sentry DOES NOT beat Hulk. If anything they fought to a stalemate and that's pushing it. They really fought until their energy was totally drained, except Sentry returns to human form and passes out, Banner doesn't pass out, I think he turns back into the Hulk before Stark uses that red beam thingy.

/fark you sentry


(Looks up book) I stand corrected. I forgot that Tony played his trump card and basically blasted Banner unconscious once he was down. I just remember Tony wearing his "hulk buster" armor that Hulk busted all to shiat. The entire WW Hulk saga consisted of Hulk or his army putting a smackdown on everyone.

Side note: The What If comic where Hulk's wife lives and Hulk dies in the ship explosion was equally compelling, and a lot darker. Hell hath no fury, and all that.

Never enjoyed the Scar - Son of Hulk books, but to each their own.
 
2012-05-09 01:23:43 PM  

nitefallz: But he doesn't have his full suit when fighting the Hulk on the helicarrier. He does have the hammer though.


But he does have it, or at least enough of it.

When he was banished to Earth and became "mortal" he had none of his outfit. He was buck nekkid when he landed here on Midguard. When he regained his power he regained his outfit in that same moment - with all the little pieces building themselves up around him.

It's the outfit that gives him his strength.
 
2012-05-09 01:24:00 PM  

th0th: nitefallz: Bullshiat. Sentry DOES NOT beat Hulk. If anything they fought to a stalemate and that's pushing it. They really fought until their energy was totally drained, except Sentry returns to human form and passes out, Banner doesn't pass out, I think he turns back into the Hulk before Stark uses that red beam thingy.

/fark you sentry

(Looks up book) I stand corrected. I forgot that Tony played his trump card and basically blasted Banner unconscious once he was down. I just remember Tony wearing his "hulk buster" armor that Hulk busted all to shiat. The entire WW Hulk saga consisted of Hulk or his army putting a smackdown on everyone.

Side note: The What If comic where Hulk's wife lives and Hulk dies in the ship explosion was equally compelling, and a lot darker. Hell hath no fury, and all that.

Never enjoyed the Scar - Son of Hulk books, but to each their own.


Crap, there's a What If for that? I'll have to check it it, had no idea but I really, really enjoyed the entire Planet Hulk/WWH storyline just because he did beat the shiat out of everyone.
 
2012-05-09 01:26:39 PM  

Rent Party: Will I be mercilessly mocked and derided if I confess thatI found Avengers disappointing?


You gotta wait at least 6 months for the tide to turn, if experience with other geek loved movies are any measure
 
2012-05-09 01:29:56 PM  

th0th: Gunny Highway: Slaves2Darkness: Andrew Wiggin: LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....

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who will play the beautiful mistress death?

You fool! Hulk wins, Hulk always smashes his way to a win. Even when the "Heros" of Earth get tired of a little destruction when he is around, and that they just can't get insurance on the Avengers mansion with him as a member, and banish him to another planet Hulk still wins.

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Hulk is the strongest there is. That's what made Planet/World War Hulk so enjoyable. Tony/SHIELD tricks him into a rocket heading away from Earth. Stark pulls a Kirk/Khan and Ceti Alpha 5 becomes the home that almost literally blows up in his face, and Hulk falls in love with an Earth Elemental priestess who dies when his ship's engine core explodes. Hulk blames pretty much everyone in the Marvel universe for her death (mainly the Illuminati with Stark, Namor, Strange and Professor X at the helm), takes his new army back to Earth and kicks ass. All. Ass. Then the clinically depressed superhero with the power of a thousand suns beats him.

/I just saved you $30 in trade paperbacks
//You're welcome
///Still worth the read, if only for the part with Black Bolt


I want to see Hulk up against this guy:

i.annihil.us
 
2012-05-09 01:30:39 PM  
Sure Whedon has a history of killing characters.....but this is an intersection of Whedonverse & Marvelverse....and in the Marververse there are only 2 characters that die and stay dead (until last year)
 
2012-05-09 01:30:55 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Yeah... I'm not sure how that fits with things in the movie. It doesn't make a lot of sense that there would be this major alien threat, and War Machine wouldn't be called in to help out. He could have been there quickly, he would have been very helpful, and yet... nothing.

Maybe he was out handling some other crisis?


While I think they didn't need to include him in the film, the cast was large enough, a line of dialogue stating where he was would have been nice. Maybe Fury ordering him to secure the President or something.

Rwa2play: eddievercetti: Kate Beckinsale as Scarlet Witch.

BETTER....MUCH BETTER!


I believe due to her connection to Magneto, the rights to the Scarlet Witch belong to the X-Men film francise.
 
2012-05-09 01:36:16 PM  

Cndn Bacon: People! PEOPLE!

I think we're really losing sight of what's important here, shawarma:

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Also, best shawarma in Houston:

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/Mmmmmm...shawarma


Jesus, that looks good.
 
2012-05-09 01:37:43 PM  
What does Thanos think of Shwarma?

CSB time:

I had shwarma the first time about two months ago, at Chickpeas in NYC's Penn Station. I saw a sign that said "Chicken shwarma". I thought, "SURE I'll try that." It was crowded, noisy, and I was in a hurry. I go up to the counter and say, "I'll have chicken shwarma please." "What kind of hummus?" Hummus comes on it? "Uh... the middle one." "What toppings!" I DON'T KNOW JUST GIVE IT TO ME.

It was good tho.

/csb
 
2012-05-09 01:41:01 PM  

EddieFC: ZeroCorpse: Yeah... I'm not sure how that fits with things in the movie. It doesn't make a lot of sense that there would be this major alien threat, and War Machine wouldn't be called in to help out. He could have been there quickly, he would have been very helpful, and yet... nothing.

Maybe he was out handling some other crisis?

While I think they didn't need to include him in the film, the cast was large enough, a line of dialogue stating where he was would have been nice. Maybe Fury ordering him to secure the President or something.


War Machine doesn't work for Shield. He's a member of the US military proper. He was probably deployed somewhere far enough from NYC that he couldn't get back in time for the 20 or minutes of the fight that was actually public and noticeable.
 
2012-05-09 01:43:31 PM  

Vash's Apprentice: Slaves2Darkness: YAY GARBAGE PART TWO!

You have a particular reason you don't like the Avengers movie or do you just like smearing your feces everywhere and rolling around in it?

He is a lonely, empty individual whose single joy is to shiat all over whatever brings a smile to the face of others. It's best to ignore him.


No, you misunderstand... He's simply commenting on how he likes this CD:
ecx.images-amazon.com

kind of a strange place to throw that in, tho'...
 
2012-05-09 01:46:30 PM  

Trocadero: Rent Party:
I know all the references were in most of the movies. Capt America's Shield in Tony Stark's shop, Selvig mentioning Banner, etc... But when it all came together, I just don't think it worked. Take Thor out and you basically have a bunch of scientists and spies doing scientific spying kind of stuff and you can make a good story out of it. Add Thor/Loki in the mix, and now it's something different that's not quite sci-fi, and not quite fantasy.

I think they kind of went out of their way in Thor/Avengers to show that old maxim "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Thor says so in his first movie. Yes, the Cosmic Cube Tesseract is a weird, far out alien/supernatural thing, but SHIELD was on the verge of making bombs out of it. Loki needed a human scientist to get it to work for him. Asgard is basically another planet/dimension, amongst many. Fury calls Thor a space alien to his face. There's nothing "pure fantasy" about it, it's just sci-fi where they don't explain in gory detail how it all works. The culture of Asgard treats their science differently than Earth, which makes humans look at it more like magic. I'm guessing Asgard doesn't do textbooks very well.



^ This. Most of Marvel's big-ticket characters have their thematic origins in the "cosmic rays, space aliens and other dimensions" school of sci-fi. Just about any supernatural-ish entity you run across with strong ties to the Avengers line is going to fall into that category; gods are spacemen, magic is supertech.

Marvel doesn't go full-on, overtly supernatural until you wander out into Ghost Rider or Dr. Strange territory.
 
2012-05-09 01:55:52 PM  
 
2012-05-09 02:02:46 PM  

EddieFC: Rwa2play: eddievercetti: Kate Beckinsale as Wasp Scarlet Witch.

BETTER....MUCH BETTER!

I believe due to her connection to Magneto, the rights to the Scarlet Witch belong to the X-Men film francise.


Actually, both Scarlet Witch AND Quicksilver can appear in both "Avengers" and "X-Men"
 
2012-05-09 02:17:01 PM  

EddieFC: ZeroCorpse: Yeah... I'm not sure how that fits with things in the movie. It doesn't make a lot of sense that there would be this major alien threat, and War Machine wouldn't be called in to help out. He could have been there quickly, he would have been very helpful, and yet... nothing.

Maybe he was out handling some other crisis?

While I think they didn't need to include him in the film, the cast was large enough, a line of dialogue stating where he was would have been nice. Maybe Fury ordering him to secure the President or something.

Rwa2play: eddievercetti: Kate Beckinsale as Scarlet Witch.

BETTER....MUCH BETTER!

I believe due to her connection to Magneto, the rights to the Scarlet Witch belong to the X-Men film francise.


Nope, she's long been an Avenger. Fox would be stupid to fight it if they chose to use her
 
2012-05-09 02:19:04 PM  

mongbiohazard: nitefallz: But he doesn't have his full suit when fighting the Hulk on the helicarrier. He does have the hammer though.

But he does have it, or at least enough of it.

When he was banished to Earth and became "mortal" he had none of his outfit. He was buck nekkid when he landed here on Midguard. When he regained his power he regained his outfit in that same moment - with all the little pieces building themselves up around him.

It's the outfit that gives him his strength.


The belt and gauntlets do increase his strength.
 
2012-05-09 02:30:19 PM  

th0th: /I just saved you $30 in trade paperbacks
//You're welcome
///Still worth the read, if only for the part with Black Bolt


You need a time machine.

I also think they need to have Hulk end up being the Avengers nemesis. Again, I havent seen the movies but I think it would be cool. Dont know how they are developing Banner as a character though.
 
2012-05-09 02:35:10 PM  

Rent Party: Generally no, but that isn't relevant. I never judge movies by the book, if they were derived from a book. The movie stands or falls on it's own merits.

I know all the references were in most of the movies. Capt America's Shield in Tony Stark's shop, Selvig mentioning Banner, etc... But when it all came together, I just don't think it worked. Take Thor out and you basically have a bunch of scientists and spies doing scientific spying kind of stuff and you can make a good story out of it. Add Thor/Loki in the mix, and now it's something different that's not quite sci-fi, and not quite fantasy.


But, again, you're basically saying that you don't like the comic book genre.

You can't make an adaptation of that kind of setting without bringing in both the science fiction and fantasy elements (although they do try to hand wave it away by invoking Clarke's Law). If you do, you're stepping out of the genre.

It's perfectly fine to say that's just not your cuppa, and no one should criticize you for that, but where you go off track is when you think that your dislike of it is a valid criticism of a specific case of the genre, and trying to say that it's all about whether the movie stands or falls on its own really misses the point.

It's a movie about a comic book team that embraces the genre that it comes from. You can't divorce that from your considerations and then call the fact that it's doing what it intends to do a failure of the art.
 
2012-05-09 02:44:13 PM  

GungFu: /and where the fark was the end of credits scene? I saw the film in the UK and waited and waited and there was no end credit scene at a diner, sonavbiatch!


They actually added it *after* the Hollywood premiere, so if you saw it immediately upon your opening, then, yeah, you missed it.

Chris Evans had grown a beard by that time. The diner scene saw him with a prosthetic mask and his hands on his face for the entire time.
 
2012-05-09 03:26:11 PM  

Dr. Whoof: mongbiohazard: nitefallz: But he doesn't have his full suit when fighting the Hulk on the helicarrier. He does have the hammer though.

But he does have it, or at least enough of it.

When he was banished to Earth and became "mortal" he had none of his outfit. He was buck nekkid when he landed here on Midguard. When he regained his power he regained his outfit in that same moment - with all the little pieces building themselves up around him.

It's the outfit that gives him his strength.

The belt and gauntlets do increase his strength.


Oh yeah... Forgot about that. And that's in the mythology! So it makes even more sense that's what they were (more than) implying in the movies.

zinethar: GungFu: /and where the fark was the end of credits scene? I saw the film in the UK and waited and waited and there was no end credit scene at a diner, sonavbiatch!

They actually added it *after* the Hollywood premiere, so if you saw it immediately upon your opening, then, yeah, you missed it.

Chris Evans had grown a beard by that time. The diner scene saw him with a prosthetic mask and his hands on his face for the entire time.


The scene looked like it was set like RIGHT after they finished fighting, so it still makes sense that Cap would be sitting like that. He had been shot in the gut (non-fatally, I guess) by blue alien energy splooge just a few minutes before, so I figured he just wasn't feeling good.
 
2012-05-09 03:48:48 PM  

mongbiohazard: Dr. Whoof: mongbiohazard: nitefallz: But he doesn't have his full suit when fighting the Hulk on the helicarrier. He does have the hammer though.

But he does have it, or at least enough of it.

When he was banished to Earth and became "mortal" he had none of his outfit. He was buck nekkid when he landed here on Midguard. When he regained his power he regained his outfit in that same moment - with all the little pieces building themselves up around him.

It's the outfit that gives him his strength.

The belt and gauntlets do increase his strength.

Oh yeah... Forgot about that. And that's in the mythology! So it makes even more sense that's what they were (more than) implying in the movies.

zinethar: GungFu: /and where the fark was the end of credits scene? I saw the film in the UK and waited and waited and there was no end credit scene at a diner, sonavbiatch!

They actually added it *after* the Hollywood premiere, so if you saw it immediately upon your opening, then, yeah, you missed it.

Chris Evans had grown a beard by that time. The diner scene saw him with a prosthetic mask and his hands on his face for the entire time.

The scene looked like it was set like RIGHT after they finished fighting, so it still makes sense that Cap would be sitting like that. He had been shot in the gut (non-fatally, I guess) by blue alien energy splooge just a few minutes before, so I figured he just wasn't feeling good.


I imagined him thinking to himself, "Back in my day we could get a coke, cheeseburger, and fries for a single! I'm not paying $10 for goatmeat on flatbread."
 
2012-05-09 03:57:34 PM  

zinethar: ManateeGag: Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" has a revolving door on it. I'm sure Thanos won't have a problem getting his hands on it.

Oh certainly, I was just thinking that if they established that Odin has it (and that it seems to be missing the Mind Gem) then it explains why Thanos needed to use the Skrulls for the attack on Earth. He didn't have his favorite toy, and couldn't kick ass like he wanted to.

I hope that the Gauntlet features prominently.


This is awesome. Just one thing:

Those of us that have not been diligently following The Avengers comic book for the last decade (or more?) have no idea what you are talking about.

The Avengers works at least in part because it draws together threads that have already been established in the individual movies, which still leaves room for a couple of new elements. It's going to be incredibly difficult to make a movie that introduces numerous elements that each have detailed and complex mythologies of their own. It will bog down hopelessly in exposition and still leave most of the audience going "wait, which gem is which again?"

/Ben Parker is still dead, right?
 
2012-05-09 04:04:20 PM  

czetie: Those of us that have not been diligently following The Avengers comic book for the last decade (or more?)

A lot more than the last decade. The Infinity Gauntlet mini-series happened in 1991, and the roots it built from go back to late 70s or so. It's not even really an Avengers story, for that matter.
 
2012-05-09 04:07:05 PM  

czetie: zinethar: ManateeGag: Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" has a revolving door on it. I'm sure Thanos won't have a problem getting his hands on it.

Oh certainly, I was just thinking that if they established that Odin has it (and that it seems to be missing the Mind Gem) then it explains why Thanos needed to use the Skrulls for the attack on Earth. He didn't have his favorite toy, and couldn't kick ass like he wanted to.

I hope that the Gauntlet features prominently.

This is awesome. Just one thing:

Those of us that have not been diligently following The Avengers comic book for the last decade (or more?) have no idea what you are talking about.

The Avengers works at least in part because it draws together threads that have already been established in the individual movies, which still leaves room for a couple of new elements. It's going to be incredibly difficult to make a movie that introduces numerous elements that each have detailed and complex mythologies of their own. It will bog down hopelessly in exposition and still leave most of the audience going "wait, which gem is which again?"

/Ben Parker is still dead, right?


Well, and that's part of the skill and challenge of the movie makers. The audience sees Loki touch folks with his stick and they go all glassy eyed. It works equally well for HCFs (hard-core fans) and the general public. The HCFs see the Mind Gem, but *both* groups immediately know what the glassy eyes means. "uh-oh, Loki owns their ass, now!"

The geeks get a little more, knowing that it foreshadows the Infinity Gauntlet, but it doesn't in the least take away from the enjoyment of John Q. Public. They've made the movies such that you don't *have* to know all that to enjoy it. They've done a hell of a job so far in this area, and it's all good!
 
2012-05-09 04:08:11 PM  

cgraves67: There's a big Lebenese community here in the Peoria, IL area. One of the Lebenese families owns restaurants, but they call the spit-roasted meat gyros like the Greeks do. It's pretty good. I'm intrigued by the prospects of a Turkish version, as I am with all things Turkish.


I grew up in Peoria, live in Champaign now, and for some reason your comment reminded me of this place I saw recently: http://www.pjstar.com/blogs/thebuzz/x582076770/Lebanese-restaurant-Kab ob-G-opens

Haven't been though.
 
2012-05-09 04:17:33 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Rent Party: schattenteufel: Rent Party: Individually, each of the individual movies was fine, but I thought the mashup failed. Thor and Loki are pure fantasy characters. Stark and Bannon are completely rational genius types.

"Demi-gods from way outer space vs. Iron Man" just didn't work. It was like putting chocolate sauce on your chili dog.


That's not a terribly open-minded argument. In the movie Stark even mentioned that 'this is magic and gods, which is pretty out-there" or something to that effect

Besides, in the comic books, several of Iron Man's most prevalent villains are magic or god-like. The next iron Man movie is going to involve Mandarin, who is a magician (lightning from his fingertips & all that)

I see what you're saying; the juxtaposition of fantasy and sci-fi, but that mixture CAN work, quite well, given the right writing.

I took that as Stark sarcasm when he said it. And as I mentioned, I don't really care about the source material, only the movie.

And I'll be honest, other than more of Scarlett J in less clothing, what the Avengers needed most was (War Machine)


Yeah... I'm not sure how that fits with things in the movie. It doesn't make a lot of sense that there would be this major alien threat, and War Machine wouldn't be called in to help out. He could have been there quickly, he would have been very helpful, and yet... nothing.

Maybe he was out handling some other crisis?


Maybe the general, non-comic-geek public don't care about the character as much as the comic community?

At some point you have to walk the line of making both the comic fans happy and the rest of everyone happy if you plan to make Jabilling dollars at the theaters.

/like for me, when you say "Ant-Man", I think "No".
 
2012-05-09 04:18:14 PM  
For those of you who didnt grow up reading anything about Thanos.....let me tell you that he's powerful, but not ALL-powerful. At least until he got the infinity gauntlet which he tracked down in Jim Starlin's 'Thanos Quest".

Thanos' main problem is he was hellbent on Death to impress the female embodiment of Death. He was in love. He always failed because he makes mistakes due to his ego. He'll be a pretty good villain, although he could be a little one-dimensional if they dont show his tricky side.
 
2012-05-09 04:24:47 PM  
I'm starting to think this is the pinnacle of comic book movies and that everything else will be downhill from here. I don't see how after this movie other one-character movies stand a chance. God help us if do a Black Widow film.

I can't see a Thanos story that would satisfy comic fans that isn't totally ridiculous to regular movie-goers. After reading up on him, it seems like everything in his stories is just bat-shiat insane. Like the Green Lantern movie.
 
2012-05-09 04:35:47 PM  

torr5962: Thanos' main problem is he was hellbent on Death to impress the female embodiment of Death. He was in love.


Too bad it's Marvel. DC's Death is hot.

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2012-05-09 04:44:57 PM  

Tax Boy: torr5962: Thanos' main problem is he was hellbent on Death to impress the female embodiment of Death. He was in love.

Too bad it's Marvel. DC's Death is hot.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 179x256]


I loved her to her.
 
2012-05-09 04:56:54 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: /like for me, when you say "Ant-Man", I think "No".


I'd be right there with you. If it wasn't for ant-man's hot girlfriend. who is apparently siome kind of dead right now, but that won't count in the movies.
 
2012-05-09 04:59:18 PM  

willfullyobscure: "This analogy ought to appall the very fast-food patrons who flock to The Avengers, yet cannot accept that an artistic enterprise should be more than ground patties of optional substance. Like Whedon, they can't tell the difference between art and conviction-less product[...] Marvel's The Avengers has little to say other than "Buy me!" Millions of mentally hijacked moviegoers will respond like Pavlov's dog, barking "Wow!""

Aside from that, it's really not a terribly negative review. I found the discussion on character and the insights about the "TV production" quality interesting


That review bothers me. It wouldn't be the same movie if it covered deep morality subjects. There are movies for that. This isn't it. Bright colours, old-fashioned unabashed heroism. That's the name of this game.

Who's that director that said "if you want a message, go to Western Union". Not everything has to be heavy-handed somber bullshiat. Holy fark, don't people have enough issues in their life?
I know I do, that's why I appreciate a bright fun happy movie like this one.
 
2012-05-09 05:20:13 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Zombie DJ: So.....is Avengers the sequel to Captain America, because of Fury, which was a sequel to Thor, because of Coulson, which was a sequel to Iron Man 2, which was a sequel to Incredible Hulk because of Stark, which was a sequel to Iron Man?
Or are they considered separate?

The order is made a bit more clear in the comic miniseries "Fury's Big Week" which outlines the fact that the climax of each of the movies (except for Iron Man 1) takes place over the course of a week, much of it happening simultaneously.

Essentially, the events of Iron Man 2 come first, and overlap with the events in Incredible Hulk (Stark's meeting with Ross takes place just before Ross makes his final assault on the Hulk). The events in Thor take place shortly after the Hulk/Abomination battle in New York City.

Thor leaves Earth to deal with Loki, Banner (having defeated the Abomination) runs away to India via Pakistan, and Stark is rejected for the Avengers Initiative around the same time (or over the course of a few days, anyway). Captain America is found not long after that, and this leads into The Avengers.

The time span between the end of Captain America and the beginning of The Avengers is hazy, though.... Up to a year, according to the movie's dialogue, or much sooner than that if you take the comic's word for it.


Read this a few days ago you are right except Cap is found almost a year after the "Big Week" So caps been defrosted for weeks if anything in Avengers.
 
2012-05-09 05:40:34 PM  

EddieFC: ZeroCorpse: Yeah... I'm not sure how that fits with things in the movie. It doesn't make a lot of sense that there would be this major alien threat, and War Machine wouldn't be called in to help out. He could have been there quickly, he would have been very helpful, and yet... nothing.

Maybe he was out handling some other crisis?

While I think they didn't need to include him in the film, the cast was large enough, a line of dialogue stating where he was would have been nice. Maybe Fury ordering him to secure the President or something.

Rwa2play: eddievercetti: Kate Beckinsale as Scarlet Witch.

BETTER....MUCH BETTER!

I believe due to her connection to Magneto, the rights to the Scarlet Witch belong to the X-Men film francise.


Fox and Marvel have a strange deal worked out when it comes to Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Marvel can use them, presumably for an Avengers movie, but cannot make reference to them being mutants or the children of Magneto. Likewise, Fox can use them, but make no mention of them as Avengers. However, if they were to do this, I'd hope they'd work out a deal so it's the same actors so it won't be too jarring.
 
2012-05-09 05:50:21 PM  

czetie: zinethar: ManateeGag: Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" has a revolving door on it. I'm sure Thanos won't have a problem getting his hands on it.

Oh certainly, I was just thinking that if they established that Odin has it (and that it seems to be missing the Mind Gem) then it explains why Thanos needed to use the Skrulls for the attack on Earth. He didn't have his favorite toy, and couldn't kick ass like he wanted to.

I hope that the Gauntlet features prominently.

This is awesome. Just one thing:

Those of us that have not been diligently following The Avengers comic book for the last decade (or more?) have no idea what you are talking about.

The Avengers works at least in part because it draws together threads that have already been established in the individual movies, which still leaves room for a couple of new elements. It's going to be incredibly difficult to make a movie that introduces numerous elements that each have detailed and complex mythologies of their own. It will bog down hopelessly in exposition and still leave most of the audience going "wait, which gem is which again?"

/Ben Parker is still dead, right?


Well put. I know who each of the individual characters are through general pop-culture and their respective origin movies; I've never read anything other than a TMNT comic book in my life. While I can keep track of complex plots, I'm personally always wary of uber-fandom movies because I find that it pulls me out of the "this could happen in real life!" that I enjoy so much about superhero movies. (For this reason I greatly enjoy the Nolan movies; pushing the limits of realism to be sure, but not too woven in absurd technology or mysticism that it contradicts itself).

Now, take the movie Thor; a civilization in deep space, populated by beings who look inexplicably like humans, gifted with a physiology that can survive the vast majority of hardships any biological creature would ever likely be exposed to, living in a post-antiquity culture who city is planar with a waterfall falling off the edge into deep space? That kind of setup makes me lose a little interest, because in the one hand, I'm asked to believe in "Einstein-Rosen Bridges" (because wormholes are too mainstream now?) which I can do, on the other hand, I'm asked to believe in everything else this paragraph just mentioned.

Granted, they wash it away a la Clarke which I am willing to embrace for the sake of trying to integrate a incredible story in my credible world, but if they push it too far with Thanos (another being who looks just like a purple-tinted person), with cosmically mystical artifacts, I will lose interest.

Before the tide of flames come in, let me say that the movies can be for the hardcore, lore-versed fans, and that's ok! I also get that this is how the comics are! The characters have to be relatable, the setting fantastic, and movies made about them accurate to continuity! Also, people who don't care about such things like I do and who enjoy the movie? Power to you, I hope they make many more for all our enjoyment. I just really hope that any sequel won't push itself too far into the realm of the absurd for movie-goers like me. Have it be grand, a little crazy, but not too crazy that I start to wonder "if you're made of god-magic, why fear a backhand or a bullet? can you bleed? why can you bleed?"

/as a very-casual superhero fan, the Avengers was totally awesome!
//good thing Ottawa has shawarma everywhere, because man was I hungry after that
 
2012-05-09 05:54:45 PM  
I'm not a comic guy, so my question for the geeks would be is it possible to set up the mythology for this Thanos character using the sequels for the individual heros, instead of waiting just for Avengers 2?

Is he the kind of character who runs stuff behind the scenes, providing resources for "lesser" villains who can be the center of Iron Man 3/Hulk 2/Thor 2/Cap 2?
 
2012-05-09 06:12:58 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do:

But, again, you're basically saying that you don't like the comic book genre.



No, I'm not saying that at all. I like most of the comic book movies out so far. I loved Iron Man and Iron Man II, I thought both Hulk films were pretty cool, and I liked Thor, too. But I don't care one whit if they adhere to the source material or not, or if they are true to the "Marvel Universe." I liked them because they were good movies in their own right. The correct genera to which they belong is the "ridiculous explosions, spaceships, fight scenes, bad guys, and gadgetry" genera. And I dig those kinds of films, no matter where they are drawn from.


You can't make an adaptation of that kind of setting without bringing in both the science fiction and fantasy elements (although they do try to hand wave it away by invoking Clarke's Law). If you do, you're stepping out of the genre.


No, you're insisting that people give a shiat about the source material and "the universe" rather than "the movie." I'm leveling a legitimate critique on a film, not a series of films, or a created landscape, or anything outside of that film.

Here's another example: I dig Sammy Hagar. I loved Van Halen. Sammy Hagar in front of Van Halen sucked. See how that works?


It's perfectly fine to say that's just not your cuppa, and no one should criticize you for that, but where you go off track is when you think that your dislike of it is a valid criticism of a specific case of the genre, and trying to say that it's all about whether the movie stands or falls on its own really misses the point.


Where you fall down is thinking that "it's not my cuppa." You fail when you try to define what the genera is. It's not comic books or fictional universes or "cannon." I'm not criticizing any of that. What I'm criticizing is the movie "The Avengers."


It's a movie about a comic book team that embraces the genre that it comes from. You can't divorce that from your considerations and then call the fact that it's doing what it intends to do a failure of the art.


It's not art, either. It's entertainment. ;)
 
2012-05-09 06:16:41 PM  

ThreadSinger: czetie: zinethar: ManateeGag: Odin's "Warehouse o' Weapons™" has a revolving door on it. I'm sure Thanos won't have a problem getting his hands on it.

Oh certainly, I was just thinking that if they established that Odin has it (and that it seems to be missing the Mind Gem) then it explains why Thanos needed to use the Skrulls for the attack on Earth. He didn't have his favorite toy, and couldn't kick ass like he wanted to.

I hope that the Gauntlet features prominently.

This is awesome. Just one thing:

Those of us that have not been diligently following The Avengers comic book for the last decade (or more?) have no idea what you are talking about.

The Avengers works at least in part because it draws together threads that have already been established in the individual movies, which still leaves room for a couple of new elements. It's going to be incredibly difficult to make a movie that introduces numerous elements that each have detailed and complex mythologies of their own. It will bog down hopelessly in exposition and still leave most of the audience going "wait, which gem is which again?"

/Ben Parker is still dead, right?

Well put. I know who each of the individual characters are through general pop-culture and their respective origin movies; I've never read anything other than a TMNT comic book in my life. While I can keep track of complex plots, I'm personally always wary of uber-fandom movies because I find that it pulls me out of the "this could happen in real life!" that I enjoy so much about superhero movies. (For this reason I greatly enjoy the Nolan movies; pushing the limits of realism to be sure, but not too woven in absurd technology or mysticism that it contradicts itself).

Now, take the movie Thor; a civilization in deep space, populated by beings who look inexplicably like humans, gifted with a physiology that can survive the vast majority of hardships any biological creature would ever likely be exposed to, living in a post-antiquity cultur ...


As someone else said thats where Whedon walked a really tight line well for this film. At the begining of the film Loki was given a staff that the weird alien beings leader put a gem in while lecturing Loki that they were trusting him with great power and they expected results. To comic book geeks this told a huge backstory that had them geeking out. To moviegoers with no comic background we know the staff is powerful and Loki has backers.

He used the elements of an epic story arc without bothering to explain the details to people who don't care knowing the ones who do already know the details. It's like what I call my "stealth geek shirt". I have a WoW T-shirt with a cool logo for the Bloodsail Buccaneers on it. To WoW players it is a cool geek shirt, to someone who doesn't play it's a cool pirate shirt.
 
2012-05-09 06:18:00 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul:
Maybe the general, non-comic-geek public don't care about the character as much as the comic community?


I'm not part of the comic community. I haven't read a comic book in 35 years. That said, War Machine should have been in it because War Machine is farking awesome. He's got all the cool stuff Iron Man has, plus he's got a farking vulcan cannon and homing missiles strapped to his ass.

He's like Iron Man Delux.
 
2012-05-09 07:12:13 PM  

ronin7: ZeroCorpse: Zombie DJ: So.....is Avengers the sequel to Captain America, because of Fury, which was a sequel to Thor, because of Coulson, which was a sequel to Iron Man 2, which was a sequel to Incredible Hulk because of Stark, which was a sequel to Iron Man?
Or are they considered separate?

The order is made a bit more clear in the comic miniseries "Fury's Big Week" which outlines the fact that the climax of each of the movies (except for Iron Man 1) takes place over the course of a week, much of it happening simultaneously.

Essentially, the events of Iron Man 2 come first, and overlap with the events in Incredible Hulk (Stark's meeting with Ross takes place just before Ross makes his final assault on the Hulk). The events in Thor take place shortly after the Hulk/Abomination battle in New York City.

Thor leaves Earth to deal with Loki, Banner (having defeated the Abomination) runs away to India via Pakistan, and Stark is rejected for the Avengers Initiative around the same time (or over the course of a few days, anyway). Captain America is found not long after that, and this leads into The Avengers.

The time span between the end of Captain America and the beginning of The Avengers is hazy, though.... Up to a year, according to the movie's dialogue, or much sooner than that if you take the comic's word for it.

Read this a few days ago you are right except Cap is found almost a year after the "Big Week" So caps been defrosted for weeks if anything in Avengers.


The epilogue of The Incredible Hulk also implies that at least a month or so IIRC passes between the fight in New York City and the final scene. Banner is hiding out in British Columbia and is working on controlling the transformations. Nothing else to say how much more time passes before he resurfaces in India.
 
2012-05-09 07:26:38 PM  

Rent Party: Jim from Saint Paul:
Maybe the general, non-comic-geek public don't care about the character as much as the comic community?


I'm not part of the comic community. I haven't read a comic book in 35 years. That said, War Machine should have been in it because War Machine is farking awesome. He's got all the cool stuff Iron Man has, plus he's got a farking vulcan cannon and homing missiles strapped to his ass.

He's like Iron Man Delux.



As someone else mentioned though, he works directly for the US military, not SHIELD. He was probably on the other side of the planet in some 3rd world shiathole and wouldn't have made it in time.
 
2012-05-09 07:42:52 PM  

DeusMeh: so, now that we've seen how it should be done with the avengers...

can we all just be honest with ourselves and admit that x-men first class was a steaming pile?


A sexist streaming pile.

If you were a woman in that movie and weren't a stripper or in your underwear by your second scene you were shot. Literally. Seriously, what were they thinking?

WRITERS: It's 1962! Miniskirts and go-go boots for every female character.
HISTORIAN: In 1962, miniskirts and go-go boots were not in fashion. That look was still a few years away.
WRITERS: Don't care. GO-GO BOOTS!
 
2012-05-09 07:51:52 PM  

sure haven't: willfullyobscure: "This analogy ought to appall the very fast-food patrons who flock to The Avengers, yet cannot accept that an artistic enterprise should be more than ground patties of optional substance. Like Whedon, they can't tell the difference between art and conviction-less product[...] Marvel's The Avengers has little to say other than "Buy me!" Millions of mentally hijacked moviegoers will respond like Pavlov's dog, barking "Wow!""

Aside from that, it's really not a terribly negative review. I found the discussion on character and the insights about the "TV production" quality interesting

That review bothers me. It wouldn't be the same movie if it covered deep morality subjects. There are movies for that. This isn't it. Bright colours, old-fashioned unabashed heroism. That's the name of this game.

Who's that director that said "if you want a message, go to Western Union". Not everything has to be heavy-handed somber bullshiat. Holy fark, don't people have enough issues in their life?
I know I do, that's why I appreciate a bright fun happy movie like this one.



Well, you kind of have to get over Armond's pet hangups, one of which is that he thinks film should be a creative art form, full stop, and his disdain for pop culture and commerically manufactured kid culture in particular. Its not that he's insensible to the emotiona force of a movie ike this, he is just shell shocked by losing the culture wars. Comper his reviews of Transformer's 2 and three to see this in more detail. The man has pop culture PTSD.


But look at the specific points he made about Joss Whedon's influence on the film- that preference for quirky ensemble casting, the focus on TV-style framing to generate intimacy even in the midst of a complete Bay-fest are exactly what lots of people here liked so much about the film. Whedon uses his TV oeuvre to liven up a film that's literally deviod of originality to a degree that it is hard to fairly call it a story at all, its an episode, really, in cinema form.

And Armond's comments on chracter are really spot on. Captain America really is a sad sack, a man from another age. Nobody farking understands his motivations, the American culture he came from is dead and buried, he's a living myth, which is incredibly lonely and sad. Loki was the most interesting and attractive personality on the screen. Tony Stark is a self-aware hipster douchebag, and he works it, it's a classic performance, but Armond's right, the reason he's compelling to audiences is because he fulfills childish god-complex wish fullfillment needs, thus "Only a capitalist icon with Stark's endless resources makes sense to an audience of semi-illiterate consumers catered to by the leisure industries and discouraged from an interest in characterization, theme or ideas. "

We've trained to respond reflexively to pop culture since childhood, almost all of us now, but we can still smell a stinker on screen- that's why Whedon was such a brilliant choice, becuase he has always worked around the edges of pop culture cliche and self-reference to make us become attached to characters stuck in a schlocky, crude, and essentially fungible entertainment milieu. Firefly and Serenity might be an expection, some of that approaches real art, I guess.

That's really what Armond is saying here, and it's important that this be recognized, since it helps us understand our own reactions and responses to something like "The Avengers".
 
2012-05-09 08:07:50 PM  

zinethar: The geeks get a little more, knowing that it foreshadows the Infinity Gauntlet, but it doesn't in the least take away from the enjoyment of John Q. Public. They've made the movies such that you don't *have* to know all that to enjoy it. They've done a hell of a job so far in this area, and it's all good!


Oh, sure, I get that perfectly. For example, I spent much of Thor admiring how they'd updated the mythology and eliminated the original cheesy origin story to better blend the character with the established Marvel movie universe. (I'm a long-lapsed reader who knows the early years of all these characters from the 1970s when they were reprinted in the UK as black and white weeklies; only much later did the current monthlies become readily available). For all I know, the version of events depicted in the movie where Jane is an astrophysicist instead of a swooning nurse whose greatest ambition is to marry a doctor was retconned into the magazines long ago, but it doesn't matter: the movie worked standalone for my son; it worked for me despite the divergences from the original story; and I'm sure it worked for those current on the continuity.

I also worry when the power level starts getting dangerously infinite. As I've said before here on Fark, one of the pleasures of Iron Man is that Stark has well-defined limits, and when you see him go up against Iron Monger or War Machine, you know that both participants are comparably powerful, and both can be damaged and hurt.

And (knowing I will get all kinds of fanboy flak for this), Whedon doesn't have a perfect track record here. I watched Serenity without ever having seen Firefly having been assured by fans, including several Farkers, that the movie worked standalone. Without the background it was, at best, mediocre: for all the action going on, I was never really persuaded that anything important was at stake that the characters would be willing to lay down their lives for. That's the line Whedon has to walk.

So it's all about getting the balance right. I had similar worries when you guys were all debating which version of the Skrulls we would get based on the glimpses in the trailer that it would be a version that required too much backstory, but that did turn out OK.
 
2012-05-09 08:15:08 PM  

Dr. Whoof: belt and gauntlets


Comic book Thor does, or used to have articles that increase his strength like the belt and gauntlets, but its not made clear if Movie Thor has these yet.

Those aside his powers do not come from his outfit in the movie. Once he became worthy of his power through self sacrifice his hammer and powers as a member of the Norse pantheon returned to him, and automatically summoned his asgardian armor.

But Buck Naked Movie Thor can still Bench press a car, probably easily.
 
2012-05-09 08:17:23 PM  
The guy who discovered the Hulk in the crumbled building should be an Avenger. His supernatural power is that he doesn't age and just won't die.

/Holy fark Swazi/Sheens father from Red Dawn is still alive?
/And he looks like 5 years older?
 
2012-05-09 08:19:19 PM  

ThreadSinger: Well put. I know who each of the individual characters are through general pop-culture and their respective origin movies; I've never read anything other than a TMNT comic book in my life. While I can keep track of complex plots, I'm personally always wary of uber-fandom movies because I find that it pulls me out of the "this could happen in real life!" that I enjoy so much about superhero movies. (For this reason I greatly enjoy the Nolan movies; pushing the limits of realism to be sure, but not too woven in absurd technology or mysticism that it contradicts itself).


What Nolan movies were you watching? I seem to remember Ra's al Ghul's master plan revolving around a device that vaporized at least the water and hallucinogen but somehow did nothing to humans. That's a pretty absurd piece of technology that is central to the plot.
 
2012-05-09 08:37:53 PM  

mekki: DeusMeh: so, now that we've seen how it should be done with the avengers...

can we all just be honest with ourselves and admit that x-men first class was a steaming pile?

A sexist streaming pile.

If you were a woman in that movie and weren't a stripper or in your underwear by your second scene you were shot. Literally. Seriously, what were they thinking?

WRITERS: It's 1962! Miniskirts and go-go boots for every female character.
HISTORIAN: In 1962, miniskirts and go-go boots were not in fashion. That look was still a few years away.
WRITERS: Don't care. GO-GO BOOTS!


The other thing that got to me with that scene was the music... that is NOT early 60s music, that was LATE 60s... Huge different.
 
2012-05-09 08:46:47 PM  

Rent Party: Will I be mercilessly mocked and derided if I confess thatI found Avengers disappointing?


It insist upon itself.
 
2012-05-09 09:10:27 PM  

ronin7: mekki: DeusMeh: so, now that we've seen how it should be done with the avengers...

can we all just be honest with ourselves and admit that x-men first class was a steaming pile?

A sexist streaming pile.

If you were a woman in that movie and weren't a stripper or in your underwear by your second scene you were shot. Literally. Seriously, what were they thinking?

WRITERS: It's 1962! Miniskirts and go-go boots for every female character.
HISTORIAN: In 1962, miniskirts and go-go boots were not in fashion. That look was still a few years away.
WRITERS: Don't care. GO-GO BOOTS!

The other thing that got to me with that scene was the music... that is NOT early 60s music, that was LATE 60s... Huge different.


I saw it twice. Once in the theater, and once on a rental, and I found that it left me with the same feeling each time: Ennui.

That's quite an accomplishment for an action film.

But what really messed it up for me was the many, many inconsistencies that ignored the previous movies, the comics (which I didn't have much hope for being respected, anyway) and the established canon of the X-Men movie series.

The one thing that I found MOST annoying and nonsensical was the idea that Mystique and Charles were not only acquainted, but basically regarded each other as best friends and adopted siblings. That was out of left field, and made the whole movie feel WRONG to me; Especially considering the way Mystique is portrayed in X-Men 1,2, and 3.

But you can't say, "Aha! It's a reboot. That's a different Mystique!" because they used the EXACT SAME MAKEUP AND EFFECTS for the character. Why do that, but then pretend it's a new series?

All in all, I really dislike First Class. It's sloppy, plodding, dull, sexist, inane, cliche, and nonsensical. It's like they took all the X-Men ideas and pasted them over the top of a pre-existing story about the Cuban Missile Crisis... As if the script weren't written with the X-Men in mind.

Ultimately, though, I can't abide any "First Class" that doesn't consist of Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Beast, Ice Man, and Angel... And maybe Mimic.

Oh, and I hate hate hate hate HATE the "Angel" character in First Class (the movie). She's an awful, stupid, ignorant, annoying, cheap, tawdry slattern that insulted me as a viewer and fan of comics.
 
2012-05-09 09:24:05 PM  

ronin7: Dr. Whoof: belt and gauntlets

Comic book Thor does, or used to have articles that increase his strength like the belt and gauntlets, but its not made clear if Movie Thor has these yet.

Those aside his powers do not come from his outfit in the movie. Once he became worthy of his power through self sacrifice his hammer and powers as a member of the Norse pantheon returned to him, and automatically summoned his asgardian armor.


His strength only returned to him when his armor returned to him. It's not a coincidence.

But Buck Naked Movie Thor can still Bench press a car, probably easily.

Sorry, but that is absolutely incorrect. He had plenty of screen time and a lot of fighting in his "mortal" form without his Asgardian armor and he didn't display a hint of superhuman strength. Now, he is a BIG motherfarker, and he was certainly strong... but not at all superhuman. He fist-fought a human and was clearly on fairly equal footing before he earned his hammer back and was re-clad in his Asgardian armor. There was no bench pressing of cars going on. He was taking a brutal beating (though dishing one out too... he was a trained warrior, after all).

I just watched Thor again the other night before seeing the Avengers. Go watch it again and you'll see what I mean. It'll be obvious after you do.
 
2012-05-09 09:29:41 PM  

homarjr: Either you haven't seen the movie or you have no idea what "major" means.


Based on that comment - its clear you don't.
 
2012-05-09 09:32:23 PM  

mongbiohazard: Rent Party: Jim from Saint Paul:
Maybe the general, non-comic-geek public don't care about the character as much as the comic community?


I'm not part of the comic community. I haven't read a comic book in 35 years. That said, War Machine should have been in it because War Machine is farking awesome. He's got all the cool stuff Iron Man has, plus he's got a farking vulcan cannon and homing missiles strapped to his ass.

He's like Iron Man Delux.


As someone else mentioned though, he works directly for the US military, not SHIELD. He was probably on the other side of the planet in some 3rd world shiathole and wouldn't have made it in time.


But that is exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. He coulda' been on the other side of the planet? Perhaps he was just hung up on the crapper taking a really hefty shiat. Perhaps he was banging a hooker on the other side of town. Perhaps he won the lottery and said "fark this, I'm out."

I don't care where he was, I care about where he wasn't, which is in the farking movie. Joss could have put him right there in downtown New York blowing up outer space bad guys with his machine gun, and occasionally getting his ass kicked by Hulk. That would have been awesome.
 
2012-05-09 09:50:14 PM  

ZeroCorpse: ronin7: mekki: DeusMeh: so, now that we've seen how it should be done with the avengers...

can we all just be honest with ourselves and admit that x-men first class was a steaming pile?

A sexist streaming pile.

If you were a woman in that movie and weren't a stripper or in your underwear by your second scene you were shot. Literally. Seriously, what were they thinking?

WRITERS: It's 1962! Miniskirts and go-go boots for every female character.
HISTORIAN: In 1962, miniskirts and go-go boots were not in fashion. That look was still a few years away.
WRITERS: Don't care. GO-GO BOOTS!

The other thing that got to me with that scene was the music... that is NOT early 60s music, that was LATE 60s... Huge different.

I saw it twice. Once in the theater, and once on a rental, and I found that it left me with the same feeling each time: Ennui.

That's quite an accomplishment for an action film.

But what really messed it up for me was the many, many inconsistencies that ignored the previous movies, the comics (which I didn't have much hope for being respected, anyway) and the established canon of the X-Men movie series.

The one thing that I found MOST annoying and nonsensical was the idea that Mystique and Charles were not only acquainted, but basically regarded each other as best friends and adopted siblings. That was out of left field, and made the whole movie feel WRONG to me; Especially considering the way Mystique is portrayed in X-Men 1,2, and 3.

But you can't say, "Aha! It's a reboot. That's a different Mystique!" because they used the EXACT SAME MAKEUP AND EFFECTS for the character. Why do that, but then pretend it's a new series?

All in all, I really dislike First Class. It's sloppy, plodding, dull, sexist, inane, cliche, and nonsensical. It's like they took all the X-Men ideas and pasted them over the top of a pre-existing story about the Cuban Missile Crisis... As if the script weren't written with the X-Men in mind.

Ultimately, though, I can't abide any "F ...


welcome to my favorites list
 
2012-05-09 10:22:40 PM  
Just saw it tonight and loved it. My daughter almost fell out of her chair laughing when hulk did what he did to thor (don't want to spoil it) after they took down the flying beast. Also, his exchange with loki. Great movie. I'm gonna have to see it again in theater.
 
2012-05-09 10:40:40 PM  
The Shwarma things funny because for well over a decade my weekly to bi-weekly favorite take-out has been a gyros cal-zone with gyro, black olive, tomato, mushroom, and a white garlic sauce. A number 14 replace the onions with mushrooms is a statement Iv'e been saying over a decade (Onions give me the heartburn). I usually get an order of Buffalo wings and seasoned fries with it. It's a staple. I love that little Greek place.
 
2012-05-10 12:12:03 AM  

Rent Party: mongbiohazard: Rent Party: Jim from Saint Paul:
Maybe the general, non-comic-geek public don't care about the character as much as the comic community?


I'm not part of the comic community. I haven't read a comic book in 35 years. That said, War Machine should have been in it because War Machine is farking awesome. He's got all the cool stuff Iron Man has, plus he's got a farking vulcan cannon and homing missiles strapped to his ass.

He's like Iron Man Delux.


As someone else mentioned though, he works directly for the US military, not SHIELD. He was probably on the other side of the planet in some 3rd world shiathole and wouldn't have made it in time.

But that is exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. He coulda' been on the other side of the planet? Perhaps he was just hung up on the crapper taking a really hefty shiat. Perhaps he was banging a hooker on the other side of town. Perhaps he won the lottery and said "fark this, I'm out."

I don't care where he was, I care about where he wasn't, which is in the farking movie. Joss could have put him right there in downtown New York blowing up outer space bad guys with his machine gun, and occasionally getting his ass kicked by Hulk. That would have been awesome.



Sure it would have been awesome, but to complain they didn't shoehorn in whatever random character you personally want just seems petty and unreasonable as far as criticisms go. I mean, hey, I would have liked to have seen Deadpool in there, but you don't here me biatching that he wasn't. I'm sure everyone could come up with someone they like who wasn't in the Avengers movie. It doesn't make it a fair or cogent criticism.
 
2012-05-10 12:30:30 AM  

LordZorch: The big question is "Are you Team Thanos or Team Hulk?"

I'm going with Team Thanos....


Bad choice. I'm with Team Squirrel Girl.
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-05-10 12:32:19 AM  

Apos: Slaves2Darkness: I'm only interested if Joss Whedon is directing it.

I doubt Disney would be stupid enough to replace him.


Disney is VERY stupid.
 
2012-05-10 02:13:33 AM  

ununcle: The guy who discovered the Hulk in the crumbled building should be an Avenger. His supernatural power is that he doesn't age and just won't die.

/Holy fark Swazi/Sheens father from Red Dawn is still alive?
/And he looks like 5 years older?


The point of that guy was him asking Banner if he was an Alien... because Harry Dean Stanton was part of the main cast in Alien.
 
2012-05-10 02:19:42 AM  

homarjr:

Thanos is no Darth Vader though.....no one is.


Except Dr. Doom
 
2012-05-10 02:42:43 AM  

ununcle: The guy who discovered the Hulk in the crumbled building should be an Avenger. His supernatural power is that he doesn't age and just won't die.

/Holy fark Swazi/Sheens father from Red Dawn is still alive?
/And he looks like 5 years older?


Maybe he's an alien?
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-10 02:55:13 AM  
Well now I wanna see Harry Dean Stanton tell Hulk to kick the ever loving shiat outta Alian and Predator! Can get a fist bump??? Really,,, I would love to see Tony Stark take on the Predator. Hows that for a farkin movie. Let's put a pin in it.
 
2012-05-10 03:57:55 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Yeah... I'm not sure how that fits with things in the movie. It doesn't make a lot of sense that there would be this major alien threat, and War Machine wouldn't be called in to help out. He could have been there quickly, he would have been very helpful, and yet... nothing.

Maybe he was out handling some other crisis?


Rhoads is active duty military. If he's overseas, he woldn't be able to get there in time for what was a very short lived invasion.
 
2012-05-10 05:00:57 AM  
My personal Nerdantasy.

Iron Man 3
First Act: Agent Hill "leaks" to Tony that the Ten Rings are Up To No Good. Small firefight, Tony is frustrated b/c he can't find enough clues to take them down for good. Meanwhile, a small "meteorite" lands somewhere in southeast Asia.
Second Act: Enter the Mandarin (Ben Kingsley.) He and some Ten Rings operatives find the meteorite site, but run into "secret government types" and they get into a fight. This is SWORD, led by Captain Carol Danvers. Mandarin manages to steal most of the meteorite from SWORD. Carol Danvers, reluctantly and annoyed, calls Tony Stark for help, but makes it clear she doesn't like him or the Avengers. He agrees, b/c he gets to take on the Ten Rings.
Third Act: Mandarin forges most of his Ten Rings. The Rings "speak to him" about more powerful artifacts that have crashed on the moon. Soon, he realizes that Iron Man and SWORD are on his trail, so he frantically sends as many of the Ten Rings goons/stolen tech/weaponry as he can to make his escape to the moon. He stumbles across a crashed alien vessel, but before he can get anything, Iron Man and Captain Danvers show up, big showdown. Mandarin is down, and tries to blow everyone up. Tony and Danvers try to escape as Mandarin uses the derelict to blow them all up. Danvers in coma, but day is saved and Ten Rings are "destroyed." Danvers wakes up in hospital, Fury and/or Hill try to grill her about what SWORD really were up to, and why was SHIELD in the dark. Things get heated, Danvers gets mad and blasts a hole in the wall.
Roll Credits: After credits, on the bridge of a Kree ship. They talk about a signal indicating their ship containing "a powerful artifact" has been destroyed near Earth, the same Earth that was giving off weird cosmic radiation (from the Tesseract.) They discuss how, if they need to, they would have to destroy Earth to prevent "the Mad One" from recovering the artifact. A Kree computer display shows a red power gem.

Thor 2
First Act: Sif and the Three Warriors arrive in Svartalfheim as security detail for a diplomatic mission. W/ the Rainbow Bridge still being remade, and Loki's actions, Odin is trying to calm down the Nine Worlds to prevent war from breaking out. Something bad has happened, and the Agardians are blamed. Big ass kicking battle commences, and Thor shows up to crack some skulls and, oddly, play peacemaker. He convinces everyone to chill out and lends his aid to figure out who was really at fault. Meanwhile, Odin talks to Heimdall about the state of the Rainbow Bridge. Heimdall is wary, b/c Odin has been using "forbidden treasure" to send Thor and Co. around. Odin claims he has no choice, he knows Surtur is marshalling Muspelheim's forces to attack while the Bridge is down, and he needs allies like the Dark Elves.
Second Act: Thor and Co. finds evidence to back up Odin's fears; demons are on Svartalfheim, plotting to frame the Asgardians to initiate war. The Dark Elves agree to ally w/ the Asgardians in case Surtur attacks. All of a sudden, s--t really hits the fan; realizing his plan is compromised, Surtur attacks the Elves and Thor before they have a chance to marshal Asgard's forces. Being routed, Thor orders a retreat, much to the ire of Algrim the Strong and his forces. They hunker down, trying to figure out how demons were able to get on Svartalheim in the first place. Eventually, the Dark Elves admit they had been working on portal technology, trying to get at Alfheim, and their hated nemeses the Light Elves, and they come clean that one of their portals accidentally went to Muspelheim. Obviously, Thor and Co. don't take this too well. Thor decides to ask Alfheim for help, which everyone agrees is insanity.
Third Act: Thor arrives on Alfheim, and is pretty unwelcome. They won't help unless he confirms their suspicions; Odin lost the Tesseract briefly on Midgard. He admits this, but is puzzled why Alfheim is asking about Midgard. Anyway, they agree to help, and a big ass battle ensues. Light Elves, Dark Elves, Thor, Sif and the Warriors Three start kicking ass. Thor confronts Surtur himself. Thor starts to get the upper hand, but Algrim the Strong tries to get the killing blow, fails, and Surtur escapes. Looking around at the damage, everyone starts bickering. The Light Elves go home, and Thor smashes the portal device after them. This really ticks off the Dark Elves. Asgardians are not welcome on Svartalheim, but they won't ally w/ Surtur. Thor and the Asgardians return home, still puzzled about how the Dark Elves portal tech looked strangely familiar, and how Alfheim was aware and interested in Midgard's technology.
Roll Credits: After credits, Surtur is seen yelling at all of his generals. One suggests that Surtur use his "most powerful, and dangerous artifact" to summon a lowly human, a human who was able to harness the power of Asgard's treasured Tesseract. Surtur pulls out an orange power gem and summons the Red Skull!

Captain America 2
First Act: Nick Fury and Maria Hill are discussing "the Wakandan Problem." They want to ask Steve Rogers for help, but Captain America is running around Eastern Europe trying to find clues about Bucky's final remains or any residual Hydra activity. He runs across random gangsters, terrorists, and mercenaries, and kicks some ass. He asks a few why they are here, and there were rumors of abandoned Ten Rings store houses. While kicking ass, he sees someone, or something observing him, and he gives chase. After awhile, it's revealed to be the Black Panther, and they start sparring. Eventually, Black Panther stops and they start to talk.
Second Act: Someone is trying to infiltrate Wakanda, and they look a hell of lot like Hydra. T'Challa explains how he and his father had "issues" w/ SHIELD in the past, and refuses to accept their help. But he trusts Captain America, and Steve can't pass up the chance to beat up Hydra one more time. They get to the outskirts of Wakanda, and after a few scuffles w/ decidedly non-Hydra looking forces, Steve realizes that T'Challa is banished, and needs help getting back into his own country. Panther comes clean about how he has been overthrown by Man-Ape, but he wasn't lying; Man-Ape is using Hydra technology and agents to conquer Wakanda and steal her treasure. While they're trying to figure out what to do next, Fury shows up, and tries to order them to stand down. SHIELD is under orders to wipe Wakanda off the map, and if they don't, the "council" will suspend SHIELD and bring in SWORD to do orbital bombardment. He also reveals that he knows Wakanda is sitting on the world's largest, and last, source of Vibranium. This gives Steve an idea.
Third Act: SHIELD starts "attacking" Wakanda, drawing out her (and Hydra's) security forces. Black Panther and Captain America sneak in, busting heads along the way. Something's wrong, though; Hydra's Tesseract tech had a lot of blue glowy effects, and these guys all pack red glowy effects. Panther confronts Man-Ape, while Steve goes after Hydra's main command. He discovers their leader and their new power source: Red Skull w/ a red power gem! He taunts Steve, they fight, and the red gem turns the tide for Red Skull. Before he can kill Captain America, Black Panther and Man-Ape's fight spills into the chamber, interrupting Red Skull and knocking the red gem loose. Man-Ape is badly losing his fight, and goes for the gem to try and beat Panther, fighting w/ Red Skull over its power. While all hell breaks loose around them, Captain America gets knocked unconscious and Panther escorts him out. He also has Man-Ape's cowl and takes control of Wakanda's remaining forces. T'Challa is King of Wakanda, and discusses "opening up" to the outside world a little. Captain America leaves w/ SHIELD, wishing good luck to the King. Fury talks to King T'Challa. T'Challa offers him the red power gem as a bribe to leave the Vibranium pile alone forever. Fury agrees.
Roll Credits: After credits, we see the deck of a space station. Carol Danvers is informed that they are getting some weird energy readings all over different parts of space. They also intercepted a strange signal, that sounds bad. They manage to translate: "Infinity Gem confirmed on Earth. Agents of the Titan have already tried to secure it. Kree Armada Groups 214, 215, and 216 en route to Sol System for eradication. Stand by." Carol clenches her jaw, her eyes glow yellow, and she mutters "call that bastard Fury. We're gonna need the Avengers."

Avengers 2
Black Panther and Ms. Marvel join the team. Kree Invasion. Lots of fighting IN SPACE.
 
2012-05-10 09:02:58 AM  
mongbiohazard: The scene looked like it was set like RIGHT after they finished fighting, so it still makes sense that Cap would be sitting like that. He had been shot in the gut (non-fatally, I guess) by blue alien energy splooge just a few minutes before, so I figured he just wasn't feeling good.

They obviously were hunger, but they looked soooo exhausted. Not even Stark could muster up the strength to say anything. All they could do was sit, eat and decompress.
 
2012-05-10 09:12:47 AM  

Trocadero: All sorts of win


I would watch this...
 
2012-05-10 05:57:12 PM  

browneye: mongbiohazard: The scene looked like it was set like RIGHT after they finished fighting, so it still makes sense that Cap would be sitting like that. He had been shot in the gut (non-fatally, I guess) by blue alien energy splooge just a few minutes before, so I figured he just wasn't feeling good.

They obviously were hunger, but they looked soooo exhausted. Not even Stark could muster up the strength to say anything. All they could do was sit, eat and decompress.


You're aware of the fact that he was hiding a beard that he had grown for another role, since this was shot after the UK premiere, right? I heard all these theories that he was just being racist by not eating the shawarma. He was clearly picking at it there for a few seconds. He just couldn't fully show his face.
 
2012-05-10 08:59:46 PM  

browneye: mongbiohazard: The scene looked like it was set like RIGHT after they finished fighting, so it still makes sense that Cap would be sitting like that. He had been shot in the gut (non-fatally, I guess) by blue alien energy splooge just a few minutes before, so I figured he just wasn't feeling good.

They obviously were hunger, but they looked soooo exhausted. Not even Stark could muster up the strength to say anything. All they could do was sit, eat and decompress.


But where was Loki? It was clearly after they had confronted him at the end of the battle but before Thor took him back to Asgard.
Who was guarding Loki?
 
2012-05-10 09:21:14 PM  
browneye: mongbiohazard: The scene looked like it was set like RIGHT after they finished fighting, so it still makes sense that Cap would be sitting like that. He had been shot in the gut (non-fatally, I guess) by blue alien energy splooge just a few minutes before, so I figured he just wasn't feeling good.

They obviously were hunger, but they looked soooo exhausted. Not even Stark could muster up the strength to say anything. All they could do was sit, eat and decompress.

Neums: You're aware of the fact that he was hiding a beard that he had grown for another role, since this was shot after the UK premiere, right? I heard all these theories that he was just being racist by not eating the shawarma. He was clearly picking at it there for a few seconds. He just couldn't fully show his face.


My response about them looking exhausted was referring to the characters. Not the actors.
 
2012-05-11 02:49:03 PM  

mekki: I just want Coulson back. It's a Superhero franchise, people coming back from the dead isn't that far fetched.

Someone came up with the theory that Coulson wasn't Human but actually the Vision. Coulson had no blood family, no wife/husband or kids. His background besides being an adorable fanboy and a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent is unknown. And the fact that Fury said, "They took my one good eye" could be a hint to Coulson was/is the "Vision" as well as Fury saying that "Coulson is down" rather than "dead." could mean that Coulson is not a flesh and blood Human.

Okay, I have my fingers cross because this is Whedon and I can see him doing this.


After Fury said he was "down", he told the others that the medics called it. That means death (or robot).
 
2012-05-11 09:36:06 PM  

cousin-merle:

After Fury said he was "down", he told the others that the medics called it. That means death (or robot).


He said that over the radio. For everyone to hear. After the camera had cut away from Fury, Coulson and the medics....
 
2012-05-12 12:31:19 AM  
UFGT8, a video game tournament in Chicago in two weeks, will be giving out Infinity Gauntlets as grand prizes. And I'll be there. Hopeful pics of winners, hoping to be one myself. Check out ufgt.us for more info! :D
 
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